TdF: Wow!

[elyob]

For sale : One yellow jersey. Slightly soiled, shop damaged.

[Jan]

elyob wrote:
> For sale : One yellow jersey. Slightly soiled, shop damaged.


Ouch!!

Jan

[dkahn400]

elyob wrote:
> For sale : One yellow jersey. Slightly soiled, shop damaged.

Should that have had the word "Spoiler" in the subject line somewhere?

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Dave...

[wafflycat]

"elyob" > wrote in message
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> For sale : One yellow jersey. Slightly soiled, shop damaged.
>
>


Damn shame. Pity that currently LA has gained the yellow as a result of
another's misfortune :-(

helen s

[Chris Walters]

elyob wrote:
> For sale : One yellow jersey. Slightly soiled, shop damaged.

Not to mention several soiled commentators boxers :-)

Cheers,
Chris

[erics]

"wafflycat" <waffles*A*T*v21net*D*O*T*co*D*O*T*uk> wrote in message
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> "elyob" > wrote in message
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>> For sale : One yellow jersey. Slightly soiled, shop damaged.
>>
>>
>
>
> Damn shame. Pity that currently LA has gained the yellow as a result of
> another's misfortune :-(
>

If he had finished with his team LA would still have taken the yellow.
The commentry I heard said his team didn't wait for him so it may not have
effected the wearer of the yellow jersey, but we will never know... not sure
I want to watch the crash tonight!

[wafflycat]

"erics" > wrote in message
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> "wafflycat" <waffles*A*T*v21net*D*O*T*co*D*O*T*uk> wrote in message
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>> "elyob" > wrote in message
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>>> For sale : One yellow jersey. Slightly soiled, shop damaged.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Damn shame. Pity that currently LA has gained the yellow as a result of
>> another's misfortune :-(
>>
>
> If he had finished with his team LA would still have taken the yellow.
> The commentry I heard said his team didn't wait for him so it may not have
> effected the wearer of the yellow jersey, but we will never know... not
> sure I want to watch the crash tonight!
>

Nah. Zabriske coming off caused the team to hesitate. That's what cost them
1st place.

D*mn, d*mn, D*MN!!!!

helen s

[Arthur Clune]

wafflycat <waffles*A*T*v21net*D*O*T*co*D*O*T*uk> wrote:
>
> Damn shame. Pity that currently LA has gained the yellow as a result of
> another's misfortune :-(

Not really. Staying on the bike is always part of the game (a-hem, Alex Zulle...)

And as others have said, Armstrong would have got the jersey anyway.

--
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The struggle of people against power is the struggle
of memory against forgetting - Milan Kundera

[wafflycat]

"Arthur Clune" > wrote in message
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> wafflycat <waffles*A*T*v21net*D*O*T*co*D*O*T*uk> wrote:
>>
>> Damn shame. Pity that currently LA has gained the yellow as a result of
>> another's misfortune :-(
>
> Not really. Staying on the bike is always part of the game (a-hem, Alex
> Zulle...)
>
> And as others have said, Armstrong would have got the jersey anyway

But not today...

And it's one thing winning when you win, but when you win as a result of
someone else's misfortune, yes, it's a win, but not in the same way.

Cheers, helen s



>
> --
> Arthur Clune PGP/GPG Key: http://www.clune.org/pubkey.txt
> The struggle of people against power is the struggle
> of memory against forgetting - Milan Kundera
>

[Simon Mason]

"Arthur Clune" > wrote in message
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> wafflycat <waffles*A*T*v21net*D*O*T*co*D*O*T*uk> wrote:
>>
>> Damn shame. Pity that currently LA has gained the yellow as a result of
>> another's misfortune :-(
>
> Not really. Staying on the bike is always part of the game (a-hem, Alex
> Zulle...)
>
> And as others have said, Armstrong would have got the jersey anyway.

Yes, the CSC team should have followed protocol and waited for the yellow
jersey like Ullrich and Armstrong have done ;-)


--
Simon Mason
http://www.simonmason.karoo.net

[elyob]

"dkahn400" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> elyob wrote:
>> For sale : One yellow jersey. Slightly soiled, shop damaged.
>
> Should that have had the word "Spoiler" in the subject line somewhere?

Well, I suspect that you shouldn't read the message if it has TdF: in it.
It's bound to be a spoiler of sorts. I brought this subject up prior to the
race. I first saaid 'Spoiler:', then realised it'd be easier to say 'TdF:'
... if you haven't watched it, don't join in the threads.

The subject must also not contain any references to the spoiler within.

[Pete Whelan]

Simon Mason wrote:
> "Arthur Clune" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>wafflycat <waffles*A*T*v21net*D*O*T*co*D*O*T*uk> wrote:
>>
>>>Damn shame. Pity that currently LA has gained the yellow as a result of
>>>another's misfortune :-(
>>
>>Not really. Staying on the bike is always part of the game (a-hem, Alex
>>Zulle...)
>>
>>And as others have said, Armstrong would have got the jersey anyway.
>
>
> Yes, the CSC team should have followed protocol and waited for the yellow
> jersey like Ullrich and Armstrong have done ;-)
>

but their real team motive is to get Basso higher up the GC, which they
wouldn't have done had they waited.

[Simon Mason]

"Pete Whelan" > wrote in message
>> Yes, the CSC team should have followed protocol and waited for the yellow
>> jersey like Ullrich and Armstrong have done ;-)
>>
>
> but their real team motive is to get Basso higher up the GC, which they
> wouldn't have done had they waited.

It was a gag --> ;-)

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Simon Mason
http://www.simonmason.karoo.net

[Dan Gregory]

Simon Mason wrote:


> Yes, the CSC team should have followed protocol and waited for the yellow
> jersey like Ullrich and Armstrong have done ;-)

Not when Basso is going for the overall
But damn anyway!#
All the best
Dan Gregory
Maybe there will be a break a la Voeckler tomorrow...

[Simon Brooke]

in message >, erics
') wrote:

> "wafflycat" <waffles*A*T*v21net*D*O*T*co*D*O*T*uk> wrote in message
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>>
>> "elyob" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> For sale : One yellow jersey. Slightly soiled, shop damaged.
>>>
>> Damn shame. Pity that currently LA has gained the yellow as a result
>> of another's misfortune :-(

Amen.

> If he had finished with his team LA would still have taken the yellow.

Don't agree. The team definitely slowed up and got ragged after he went
down. I think if he hadn't fallen they would probably have at least
equalled Discovery Channel's time. A distraction in the last Km of a
time trial has to cost two seconds.

> The commentry I heard said his team didn't wait for him so it may not
> have effected the wearer of the yellow jersey, but we will never
> know... not sure I want to watch the crash tonight!

It was pretty nasty. He was lucky that the rider behind him managed to
miss him, but even so he's going to be hurting like hell tomorrow.

--
(Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

See one nuclear war, you've seen them all.

[Tumbleweed]

"wafflycat" <waffles*A*T*v21net*D*O*T*co*D*O*T*uk> wrote in message
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> "Arthur Clune" > wrote in message
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>> wafflycat <waffles*A*T*v21net*D*O*T*co*D*O*T*uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Damn shame. Pity that currently LA has gained the yellow as a result of
>>> another's misfortune :-(
>>
>> Not really. Staying on the bike is always part of the game (a-hem, Alex
>> Zulle...)
>>
>> And as others have said, Armstrong would have got the jersey anyway
>
> But not today...
>
> And it's one thing winning when you win, but when you win as a result of
> someone else's misfortune, yes, it's a win, but not in the same way.
>
> Cheers, helen s
>

I felt sorry for him BUT was it misfortune? Or carelessness due to being
tired?

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[dave]

Tumbleweed wrote:
> "wafflycat" <waffles*A*T*v21net*D*O*T*co*D*O*T*uk> wrote in message
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>>"Arthur Clune" > wrote in message
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>>
>>>wafflycat <waffles*A*T*v21net*D*O*T*co*D*O*T*uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Damn shame. Pity that currently LA has gained the yellow as a result of
>>>>another's misfortune :-(
>>>
>>>Not really. Staying on the bike is always part of the game (a-hem, Alex
>>>Zulle...)
>>>
>>>And as others have said, Armstrong would have got the jersey anyway
>>
>>But not today...
>>
>>And it's one thing winning when you win, but when you win as a result of
>>someone else's misfortune, yes, it's a win, but not in the same way.
>>
>>Cheers, helen s

Yeah. Personly I think Armstrong would not have wanted to win that way.
ANd I suspect it will take some of the thrill away for him. It would
for me anyway.
>>
>
>
> I felt sorry for him BUT was it misfortune? Or carelessness due to being
> tired?
>

Same thing really. Trying that hard its easy to make a mistake and
everyone does. Just unlucky to not get away with it.

[elyob]

"dave" > wrote in message
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> Tumbleweed wrote:
>> "wafflycat" <waffles*A*T*v21net*D*O*T*co*D*O*T*uk> wrote in message
>> ...
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>>>"Arthur Clune" > wrote in message
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>>>
>>>>wafflycat <waffles*A*T*v21net*D*O*T*co*D*O*T*uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Damn shame. Pity that currently LA has gained the yellow as a result of
>>>>>another's misfortune :-(
>>>>
>>>>Not really. Staying on the bike is always part of the game (a-hem, Alex
>>>>Zulle...)
>>>>
>>>>And as others have said, Armstrong would have got the jersey anyway
>>>
>>>But not today...
>>>
>>>And it's one thing winning when you win, but when you win as a result of
>>>someone else's misfortune, yes, it's a win, but not in the same way.
>>>
>>>Cheers, helen s
>
> Yeah. Personly I think Armstrong would not have wanted to win that way.
> ANd I suspect it will take some of the thrill away for him. It would for
> me anyway.

Yeah, but I'm sure he won't lose any sleep over it. It's a racing thing.

>>>
>>
>>
>> I felt sorry for him BUT was it misfortune? Or carelessness due to being
>> tired?
>>
>
> Same thing really. Trying that hard its easy to make a mistake and
> everyone does. Just unlucky to not get away with it.

LA mantioned the concentration could have been a factor. I've never ridden
in a peleton/time trial and am sure that you have to remain in control.
Especially when in the sprint to the end. You wouldn't want to head butt
someone, would you?!

[erics]

"wafflycat" <waffles*A*T*v21net*D*O*T*co*D*O*T*uk> wrote in message
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> "Arthur Clune" > wrote in message
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>> wafflycat <waffles*A*T*v21net*D*O*T*co*D*O*T*uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Damn shame. Pity that currently LA has gained the yellow as a result of
>>> another's misfortune :-(
>>
>> Not really. Staying on the bike is always part of the game (a-hem, Alex
>> Zulle...)
>>
>> And as others have said, Armstrong would have got the jersey anyway
>
> But not today...
>
> And it's one thing winning when you win, but when you win as a result of
> someone else's misfortune, yes, it's a win, but not in the same way.
>

May be LA would have already been in yellow if he didn't have the misfortune
of his foot coming unclipped in the first stage? Ifs and buts don't win
races!

Was it misfortune or a mistake? I bet if the situation was reversed and LA
fell it would have been described as a mistake, it happens to someone else
and LA profits from it and it is called misfortune. Seems everyone hates a
winner!

[wafflycat]

"erics" > wrote in message
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>
> Was it misfortune or a mistake? I bet if the situation was reversed and LA
> fell it would have been described as a mistake, it happens to someone else
> and LA profits from it and it is called misfortune. Seems everyone hates a
> winner!
>

Did I say I hate LA? Err... no.

Cheers, helen s

[dkahn400]

elyob wrote:
> "dkahn400" > wrote in message
> oups.com...

> > Should that have had the word "Spoiler" in the subject line
> > somewhere?
>
> Well, I suspect that you shouldn't read the message if it has
> TdF: in it. It's bound to be a spoiler of sorts. I brought this
> subject up prior to the race. I first saaid 'Spoiler:', then
> realised it'd be easier to say 'TdF:' .. if you haven't watched
> it, don't join in the threads.

OK then.

--
Dave...

[erics]

"wafflycat" <waffles*A*T*v21net*D*O*T*co*D*O*T*uk> wrote in message
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> "erics" > wrote in message
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>>
>> Was it misfortune or a mistake? I bet if the situation was reversed and
>> LA fell it would have been described as a mistake, it happens to someone
>> else and LA profits from it and it is called misfortune. Seems everyone
>> hates a winner!
>>
>
> Did I say I hate LA? Err... no.
>

I was a general remark not addressed specifically to you, perhaps I'll
change "everyone hates" to "some people hate". I presume that you don't
disagree with the preceeding statement regarding mistakes and misfortune
since you didn't comment on that?

However the fall was described as a "misfortune" by you, rather than a
mistake - which seems to me like the implied meaning is that he was just
plain unlucky he fell and there was nothing he or his team could have done
to prevent it? This does not seem to be the case to me, the mistake was
avoidable, however that may have meant not taking so many risks and ending
up with a slower time. They took the risks, made a mistake; LA also took the
risks and he and his team didn't make the same mistake, which resulted in LA
wearing the jersey.

LA had the misfortune (or was it a mistake) of coming unclipped, how much
time did that cost him? 0s, 0.5s, 1s, 2s, etc? Would he have won if this
didn't happen? Had the fall not happened would he still be in yellow? No one
can say for sure, its all part of the race I guess. The guy can only ride
his race, and when he does it faultlessly and others don't he still doesn't
get blasted for it because "it's a win, but not in the same way". As long as
he didn't cheat it seems to me a win is a win, is a win.

Lets hope today's stage provides a less debated result!

[wafflycat]

"erics" > wrote in message
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> "wafflycat" <waffles*A*T*v21net*D*O*T*co*D*O*T*uk> wrote in message
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>> "erics" > wrote in message
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>>>
>>> Was it misfortune or a mistake? I bet if the situation was reversed and
>>> LA fell it would have been described as a mistake, it happens to someone
>>> else and LA profits from it and it is called misfortune. Seems everyone
>>> hates a winner!
>>>
>>
>> Did I say I hate LA? Err... no.
>>
>
> I was a general remark not addressed specifically to you, perhaps I'll
> change "everyone hates" to "some people hate". I presume that you don't
> disagree with the preceeding statement regarding mistakes and misfortune
> since you didn't comment on that?
>

You really shouldn't presume *anything* about *anything*

Cheers, helen s

[erics]

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>>>>
>>>> Was it misfortune or a mistake? I bet if the situation was reversed and
>>>> LA fell it would have been described as a mistake, it happens to
>>>> someone else and LA profits from it and it is called misfortune. Seems
>>>> everyone hates a winner!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Did I say I hate LA? Err... no.
>>>
>>
>> I was a general remark not addressed specifically to you, perhaps I'll
>> change "everyone hates" to "some people hate". I presume that you don't
>> disagree with the preceeding statement regarding mistakes and misfortune
>> since you didn't comment on that?
>>
>
> You really shouldn't presume *anything* about *anything*
>
thanks for the confirmation ;)

[wafflycat]

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>>>>>
>>>>> Was it misfortune or a mistake? I bet if the situation was reversed
>>>>> and LA fell it would have been described as a mistake, it happens to
>>>>> someone else and LA profits from it and it is called misfortune. Seems
>>>>> everyone hates a winner!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Did I say I hate LA? Err... no.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I was a general remark not addressed specifically to you, perhaps I'll
>>> change "everyone hates" to "some people hate". I presume that you don't
>>> disagree with the preceeding statement regarding mistakes and misfortune
>>> since you didn't comment on that?
>>>
>>
>> You really shouldn't presume *anything* about *anything*
>>
> thanks for the confirmation ;)
>

There you go makes basic mistakes again.

[erics]

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>>>>>>
>>>>>> Was it misfortune or a mistake? I bet if the situation was reversed
>>>>>> and LA fell it would have been described as a mistake, it happens to
>>>>>> someone else and LA profits from it and it is called misfortune.
>>>>>> Seems everyone hates a winner!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Did I say I hate LA? Err... no.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I was a general remark not addressed specifically to you, perhaps I'll
>>>> change "everyone hates" to "some people hate". I presume that you
>>>> don't disagree with the preceeding statement regarding mistakes and
>>>> misfortune since you didn't comment on that?
>>>>
>>>
>>> You really shouldn't presume *anything* about *anything*
>>>
>> thanks for the confirmation ;)
>>
>
> There you go makes basic mistakes again.
>

Now you are presuming I made a basic mistake. Are you sure I have made a
"mistake" and its not that I have the "misfortune" of not having your
superior intelligence? I guess you're not going to answer the original
question so I'm going to go on presuming. Time to move on me thinks....