Racing at Lang Lang Holden Proving Grounds

[Carl Brewer]

CCCC (I'm starting to sound like a CCCC evangelist, despite being a
BBN member!) ran their second race on a vehicle testing
ground on Sunday - at the Holden PG at Lang Lang.

Amazing facility - wanky security guards and warnings about
cameras - like anyone cares what the next dunnydore will look
like anyway? But an interesting network of roads including
a huge banked track. We got to race on the banked track and
some connecting roads, which made for some very interesting
racing indeed. 10km laps,Flat course, but yours trully had the 'flu
and was bloody useless! Overall a very good place to race.

Them (CCCC) using vehicle testing grounds makes for some
bloody good race venues.

[Shabby]

Carl Brewer Wrote:
> CCCC (I'm starting to sound like a CCCC evangelist, despite being a
> BBN member!) ran their second race on a vehicle testing
> ground on Sunday - at the Holden PG at Lang Lang.
>
> Amazing facility - wanky security guards and warnings about
> cameras - like anyone cares what the next dunnydore will look
> like anyway? But an interesting network of roads including
> a huge banked track. We got to race on the banked track and
> some connecting roads, which made for some very interesting
> racing indeed. 10km laps,Flat course, but yours trully had the 'flu
> and was bloody useless! Overall a very good place to race.
>
> Them (CCCC) using vehicle testing grounds makes for some
> bloody good race venues.

Flat smooth banked track...... gee Carl, didn't you get dizzy ridin
around in circles????

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Shabby

[flyingdutch]

Shabby Wrote:
> Flat smooth banked track...... gee Carl, didn't you get dizzy ridin
> around in circles?????


How many laps to go? Hippy?? er, um, 27? 3?

can one enter this race in a Ute? (holden of course) :

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flyingdutch

[Carl Brewer]

On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:31:30 +1000, Shabby
> wrote:


>Flat smooth banked track...... gee Carl, didn't you get dizzy riding
>around in circles?????

We didn't just ride around in circles. The track was maybe 4km on the
*huge* banked track, and 6km on the connecting roads. Imagine
a really big version of METEC.

And by golly, a lot of B graders don't know how to ride quickly
through tight corners or over muddy road or railway
lines (the course has 2 railway crossings! They're simulated,
ie: just 4 bits of train track, no actual railway goes through there)
Riders were slowing down over the train tracks, every lap I'd
get 3 or 4 bikelengths up the bunch at the crossings as they
all slowed down for it! Same for the muddy road just before we
turned back onto the banked track.

[Tamyka Bell]

Carl Brewer wrote:
>
> On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:31:30 +1000, Shabby
> > wrote:
>
> >Flat smooth banked track...... gee Carl, didn't you get dizzy riding
> >around in circles?????
>
> We didn't just ride around in circles. The track was maybe 4km on the
> *huge* banked track, and 6km on the connecting roads. Imagine
> a really big version of METEC.
>
> And by golly, a lot of B graders don't know how to ride quickly
> through tight corners or over muddy road or railway
> lines (the course has 2 railway crossings! They're simulated,
> ie: just 4 bits of train track, no actual railway goes through there)
> Riders were slowing down over the train tracks, every lap I'd
> get 3 or 4 bikelengths up the bunch at the crossings as they
> all slowed down for it! Same for the muddy road just before we
> turned back onto the banked track.

Maybe they weren't locals. In Brisbane, only tourists know how to deal
with wet weather or mud. The locals just hide indoors.

Tam

[EuanB]

Carl Brewer Wrote:
> wanky security guards and warnings abou
> cameras - like anyone cares what the next dunnydore will loo
> like anyway?
Oh they care all right. I've a colleague who used to work at Holden.
Someone took a picture of the next Commadore and posted it on the web
next thing Holden knew sales on Commadores nose dived for six month
'cause everyone wanted the new one
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Cheer
Eua

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EuanB

[Carl Brewer]

On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:00:43 +1000, EuanB
> wrote:

>
>Carl Brewer Wrote:
>> wanky security guards and warnings about
>> cameras - like anyone cares what the next dunnydore will look
>> like anyway?
>Oh they care all right. I've a colleague who used to work at Holden.
>Someone took a picture of the next Commadore and posted it on the web,
>next thing Holden knew sales on Commadores nose dived for six months
>'cause everyone wanted the new one.

It's still just a shopping trolley. ******s :)

[PiledHigher]

Carl Brewer Wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:00:43 +1000, EuanB
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >Carl Brewer Wrote:
> >> wanky security guards and warnings about
> >> cameras - like anyone cares what the next dunnydore will look
> >> like anyway?
> >Oh they care all right. I've a colleague who used to work at Holden.
> >Someone took a picture of the next Commadore and posted it on th
> web,
> >next thing Holden knew sales on Commadores nose dived for six months
> >'cause everyone wanted the new one.
>
> It's still just a shopping trolley. ******s :)

It is bizarre that we live in a culture where the favorite car for a
18 yr old man is one of the two family cars

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PiledHigher

[Poiter]

Carl Brewer Wrote:
> CCCC (I'm starting to sound like a CCCC evangelist, despite being a
> BBN member!) ran their second race on a vehicle testing
> ground on Sunday - at the Holden PG at Lang Lang.
>
> Amazing facility -
> Them (CCCC) using vehicle testing grounds makes for some
> bloody good race venues.

Carl who is CCCC?
Lang Lang was the site of the last attempt at the Australian HPV spee
record in 1984.
Steele Bishop "only" got to 78kmh in a fully faired vehicle before th
outrigger wheels caught fire!
http://www.alphalink.com.au/%7Eferret/hpv.html

In comparison the current world HPV record for 200m is 129kmh (Sa
Whittington - Battle Mountain 2002
http://www.wisil.recumbents.com/wisil/whpsc2004/speedchallenge-2004.htm

It would be good to have a go at the record again some time if Lan
Lang is available for events.

Pet

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Poiter

[flyingdutch]

Poiter Wrote:
> Carl who is CCCC?
> Lang Lang was the site of the last attempt at the Australian HPV spee
> record in 1984.
> Steele Bishop "only" got to 78kmh in a fully faired vehicle before th
> outrigger wheels caught fire!
> http://www.alphalink.com.au/%7Eferret/hpv.html
>
> In comparison the current world HPV record for 200m is 129kmh (Sa
> Whittington - Battle Mountain 2002
> http://www.wisil.recumbents.com/wisil/whpsc2004/speedchallenge-2004.htm
>
> It would be good to have a go at the record again some time if Lan
> Lang is available for events.
>
> Pete

Caulfield-Carnegie Cycling Club

78kph? you sure? Alajet hits low 70's in the sprints on tou
regularly...

F"62kph.once"Dutc

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flyingdutch

[Carl Brewer]

On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10:42:32 +1000, flyingdutch
> wrote:

>
>Poiter Wrote:
>> Carl who is CCCC?
>> Lang Lang was the site of the last attempt at the Australian HPV speed
>> record in 1984.
>> Steele Bishop "only" got to 78kmh in a fully faired vehicle before the
>> outrigger wheels caught fire!
>> http://www.alphalink.com.au/%7Eferret/hpv.html
>>
>> In comparison the current world HPV record for 200m is 129kmh (Sam
>> Whittington - Battle Mountain 2002)
>> http://www.wisil.recumbents.com/wisil/whpsc2004/speedchallenge-2004.htm
>>
>> It would be good to have a go at the record again some time if Lang
>> Lang is available for events.
>>
>> Pete
>
>Caulfield-Carnegie Cycling Club
>
>78kph? you sure? Alajet hits low 70's in the sprints on tour
>regularly...

But not for very long, and the difference between 70 and 78km/h is
a *lot*.

We got the greenspeed "beserk" HPV up to 60 pretty
easily around the BBN velodrome one afternoon, with a bunch
of untrained (in HPV's with 105mm cranks) road riders.
It should be capable of around 80 or so, judging by the
drag coefficient it had *before* we destroyed it at Wonthaggi!

[Ray Peace]

flyingdutch wrote:
> Poiter Wrote:
>
>>Carl who is CCCC?
>>Lang Lang was the site of the last attempt at the Australian HPV speed
>>record in 1984.
>>Steele Bishop "only" got to 78kmh in a fully faired vehicle before the
>>outrigger wheels caught fire!
>>http://www.alphalink.com.au/%7Eferret/hpv.html
>>
>>In comparison the current world HPV record for 200m is 129kmh (Sam
>>Whittington - Battle Mountain 2002)
>>http://www.wisil.recumbents.com/wisil/whpsc2004/speedchallenge-2004.htm
>>
>>It would be good to have a go at the record again some time if Lang
>>Lang is available for events.
>>
>>Pete
>
>
> Caulfield-Carnegie Cycling Club
>
> 78kph? you sure? Alajet hits low 70's in the sprints on tour
> regularly...
>
> F"62kph.once"Dutch
>
>
Greetings,
Absolutely sure. 78.91 km/h, on the flat no assistance, I was there.
Regards,
Ray.

[flyingdutch]

Ray Peace Wrote:
> Greetings,
> Absolutely sure. 78.91 km/h, on the flat no assistance, I was there.
> Regards,
> Ray.

and that was the record?
those wooly socks are very bad aerodynamically :D
Im amazed that a lowslung faired bent couldnt beat that.
Put a chris Hoy on one (in fact i think they did this recently wit
the UK pursuit team versus one guy on a bent and the 'bent' passed e
after 1.5k...) and i recon you'd give it a shake, easy peazy.

a couple of 'Alpines' ago i got passed (blown off the road woul
describe it better) by a guy absolutely flying on this incredibly sex
CF 'bent' thingy.
i think i was sitting on about 85kph at the time and he past me as if
was standing still! Mind you we woz flyin down Falls at the time...
:rolleyes

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flyingdutch

[Carl Brewer]

On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:33:06 +1000, flyingdutch
> wrote:

>
>Ray Peace Wrote:
>> Greetings,
>> Absolutely sure. 78.91 km/h, on the flat no assistance, I was there.
>> Regards,
>> Ray.
>
>and that was the record?
>those wooly socks are very bad aerodynamically :D

And the beard and big flag on a post!

[Carl Brewer]

On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:05:37 +1000, Carl Brewer >
wrote:

>
>CCCC (I'm starting to sound like a CCCC evangelist, despite being a
>BBN member!) ran their second race on a vehicle testing
>ground on Sunday - at the Holden PG at Lang Lang.
>
>Amazing facility - wanky security guards and warnings about
>cameras - like anyone cares what the next dunnydore will look
>like anyway? But an interesting network of roads including
>a huge banked track. We got to race on the banked track and
>some connecting roads, which made for some very interesting
>racing indeed. 10km laps,Flat course, but yours trully had the 'flu
>and was bloody useless! Overall a very good place to race.
>
>Them (CCCC) using vehicle testing grounds makes for some
>bloody good race venues.

photos & race report are online now (Mal Sawford does a great job ...)

http://www.cyclingnews.com/road.php?id=road/AUS/2005/jun05/jun19carnegiecc

[adam85]

Carl Brewer Wrote:
>
> photos & race report are online now (Mal Sawford does a great job ...)
> http://tinyurl.com/ahg63

Is that you 'holden' on in this photo Carl? #9

http://tinyurl.com/cwl6d

That banking looks pretty cool, and a nice wide finish line that's fo
sure!

Adam

crap joke-
Sailboat hire operator: "Come in number 9, your time is up! Hang on
number 6 are you in trouble?!

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adam85

[Carl Brewer]

On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 13:42:26 +1000, adam85
> wrote:

>
>Carl Brewer Wrote:
>>
>> photos & race report are online now (Mal Sawford does a great job ...)
>> http://tinyurl.com/ahg63
>
>Is that you 'holden' on in this photo Carl? #9

yep. You can also spot another aboc'er in one of the
other shots if you look closely