General whine because I haven't had one for a while...

[LotteBum]

Right, so I was supposed to ride with Abby and Retrograded this morning.
That didn't happen because I slept like sh!t. When I woke up at 5:10 I
couldn't open my eyes... So I went back to sleep. That didn't work, so
I got
up at 5:30 and rode to work anyway, but only the direct way.

That was all well and good until I had to pass two trucks that were
pulled over to the side of the road on the Centenary Highway.
Eventually, after about 5 zillion cars has passed, a nice lady slowed
down to let me pass. I blew her a kiss, then about 6 or 7 cars beeped
at me because I'd slowed them down. HANG ON F*CKERS! WHO SLOWED YOU
DOWN??? THE F*CKING TRUCKS!

About 1km later I had to merge across traffic coming up to a red light.
I saw a decent gap, stuck my hand out and started moving across. The
w@nker in the Hilux (GET IN OR GET OUT OF THE WAY!) used neither of his
three brain cells and decided to move forward in a threatening manner.
I flicked him the bird and when he passed me on the left, I told him he
must be hung like a donkey and when he gave me the finger I said
"What's
the matter possum? Wifey leave you for another woman?" and took off...
By then, my light was green (I was turning right) and I tore through
the
light. I probably didn't do myself any favours, but f*ck it... I do
not
care anymore. It was only a couple of K's later when coming up to a
roundabout I looked back and saw that there was a car, but it was a
long
way back (at least 200m). So I moved into the middle of the lane but
stopped at the roundabout because there were cars coming. When the
path
was clear, I started going through the roundabout.... With slacknuts on
my tail beeping. I blew him a kiss and mouthed at him "F*ck you!" as
he
passed me. That caused a bit of a stir and he swerved the car all over
the road in front of me. Ooooh. Scary.

Managed to get through the next roundabout - which is quite a big one -
without too many hassles. A t0sser in an old sh!tty V8 who turned left
behind me decided to do a big skid with which I was really impressed.
Don't forget, boys... Women luv d00ds who lay big sk!ds. The next
roundabout, however, was a different story all together. Again, I
merged into the middle of the lane way ahead of another car. Got
halfway through the rounadbout, and the geri f*cker in his white Excel
is trying to f*cking overtake me in the roundabout. He beeped at me...
A lot. I flicked him the bird which sent his car swerving all over the
road just like the previous motherf*cker. I motioned for him to pull
over, at the same time screaming "PULL OVER!!!!". He slowed down, then
sped up... Again, I pointed to the kerb and screamed "PULL OVER!!!".
So
he does. As there were cars around, I rode up and sat behind his car,
screaming at him "GET OUT OF THE CAR!!!". He sat in the car yelling
out
at me with his large false teeth clacking away like Cadence (my dog)
does when you have food for her. Again, I screamed at him "GET OUT OF
THE F*CKING CAR. BE A BIG MAN MOTHERF*CKER!!!". Then he drove off,
swerving his little excel violently all over the road. Big man.

Further up the road, at the intersection of Oxley and Sherwood Roads, I
came up to the lights on my own - no cars around... In other words, the
lane is MINE and I SIT IN FRONT (otherwise, I sit behind the cars at an
appropriate distance from the kerb). I sit about 1m out to discourage
people to come up next to me and instead use the other lane. This is
too difficult for most people to comprehend. So I get a line of about
8 cars behind me. One
of them was able to at least change lanes to get around me. The rest
sat behind me, then a few of them beeped at me as they went around me
after all the traffic in the right hand lane had passed.

Got to Graceville where the road was closed due to a significant car
accident. Unfortunately, Mr White Excel had not crashed into a pole
and
killed himself. There were too cars involved and neither was a white
Excel. I hope the people are OK. I also hope that the person
responsible opens their f*cking eyes next time.

So there you go. I'm ANGRY today.

Lotte

P.S. I demanded another f*cker pull over at Toowong as well. He was in
a black merc and tried to get between me and a car turning right. He
got scared and drove off. It's good to see that Aussie men are just as
'tuff mate' as they think they are. F*cking pussies.

P.P.S. Don't f*ck with me today.

P.P.S. For those of you wondering what exactly I would do if Mr White
Excel got out of the car, I would have thrown a quick punch followed by
a quick elbow. I so do not care anymore.

P.P.P.S. I've lost the plot.


--
LotteBum

[Peter McCallum]

LotteBum > wrote:

> P.P.P.S. I've lost the plot.

Join the club

P
--
Peter McCallum
Mackay Qld AUSTRALIA

[JH]

LotteBum wrote:
> Right, so I was supposed to ride with Abby and Retrograded this morning.
> That didn't happen because I slept like sh!t. When I woke up at 5:10 I
> couldn't open my eyes... So I went back to sleep. That didn't work, so
> I got
> up at 5:30 and rode to work anyway, but only the direct way.
>
> That was all well and good until I had to pass two trucks that were
> pulled over to the side of the road on the Centenary Highway.
> Eventually, after about 5 zillion cars has passed, a nice lady slowed
> down to let me pass. I blew her a kiss, then about 6 or 7 cars beeped
> at me because I'd slowed them down. HANG ON F*CKERS! WHO SLOWED YOU
> DOWN??? THE F*CKING TRUCKS!
>
> About 1km later I had to merge across traffic coming up to a red light.
> I saw a decent gap, stuck my hand out and started moving across. The
> w@nker in the Hilux (GET IN OR GET OUT OF THE WAY!) used neither of his
> three brain cells and decided to move forward in a threatening manner.
> I flicked him the bird and when he passed me on the left, I told him he
> must be hung like a donkey and when he gave me the finger I said
> "What's
> the matter possum? Wifey leave you for another woman?" and took off...
> By then, my light was green (I was turning right) and I tore through
> the
> light. I probably didn't do myself any favours, but f*ck it... I do
> not
> care anymore. It was only a couple of K's later when coming up to a
> roundabout I looked back and saw that there was a car, but it was a
> long
> way back (at least 200m). So I moved into the middle of the lane but
> stopped at the roundabout because there were cars coming. When the
> path
> was clear, I started going through the roundabout.... With slacknuts on
> my tail beeping. I blew him a kiss and mouthed at him "F*ck you!" as
> he
> passed me. That caused a bit of a stir and he swerved the car all over
> the road in front of me. Ooooh. Scary.
>
> Managed to get through the next roundabout - which is quite a big one -
> without too many hassles. A t0sser in an old sh!tty V8 who turned left
> behind me decided to do a big skid with which I was really impressed.
> Don't forget, boys... Women luv d00ds who lay big sk!ds. The next
> roundabout, however, was a different story all together. Again, I
> merged into the middle of the lane way ahead of another car. Got
> halfway through the rounadbout, and the geri f*cker in his white Excel
> is trying to f*cking overtake me in the roundabout. He beeped at me...
> A lot. I flicked him the bird which sent his car swerving all over the
> road just like the previous motherf*cker. I motioned for him to pull
> over, at the same time screaming "PULL OVER!!!!". He slowed down, then
> sped up... Again, I pointed to the kerb and screamed "PULL OVER!!!".
> So
> he does. As there were cars around, I rode up and sat behind his car,
> screaming at him "GET OUT OF THE CAR!!!". He sat in the car yelling
> out
> at me with his large false teeth clacking away like Cadence (my dog)
> does when you have food for her. Again, I screamed at him "GET OUT OF
> THE F*CKING CAR. BE A BIG MAN MOTHERF*CKER!!!". Then he drove off,
> swerving his little excel violently all over the road. Big man.
>
> Further up the road, at the intersection of Oxley and Sherwood Roads, I
> came up to the lights on my own - no cars around... In other words, the
> lane is MINE and I SIT IN FRONT (otherwise, I sit behind the cars at an
> appropriate distance from the kerb). I sit about 1m out to discourage
> people to come up next to me and instead use the other lane. This is
> too difficult for most people to comprehend. So I get a line of about
> 8 cars behind me. One
> of them was able to at least change lanes to get around me. The rest
> sat behind me, then a few of them beeped at me as they went around me
> after all the traffic in the right hand lane had passed.
>
> Got to Graceville where the road was closed due to a significant car
> accident. Unfortunately, Mr White Excel had not crashed into a pole
> and
> killed himself. There were too cars involved and neither was a white
> Excel. I hope the people are OK. I also hope that the person
> responsible opens their f*cking eyes next time.
>
> So there you go. I'm ANGRY today.
>
> Lotte
>
> P.S. I demanded another f*cker pull over at Toowong as well. He was in
> a black merc and tried to get between me and a car turning right. He
> got scared and drove off. It's good to see that Aussie men are just as
> 'tuff mate' as they think they are. F*cking pussies.
>
> P.P.S. Don't f*ck with me today.
>
> P.P.S. For those of you wondering what exactly I would do if Mr White
> Excel got out of the car, I would have thrown a quick punch followed by
> a quick elbow. I so do not care anymore.
>
> P.P.P.S. I've lost the plot.
>
>
Lucky you didn't have your shotty otherwise the Courier Mail headline
would be "Two Wheeled Terrorist Guns Down 10" story by Mike O'Connor ...

jh

[Jimbo Jones]

Yeah, I had my share of ******s on the river ride this morning too. Guy in a
white commodore thought it would be a good idea to overtake me through the
traffic calmers at Nadine St in Chelmer. He then overtook a guy in front of
me while going through a roundabout. The guy in front was a little ****ed,
gave him the finger. Old mate in the commodore then decided to come to a
grinding halt and pull over to the far left, blocking both the guy in front
of me, and yours truly. He must have had a massiv c*#k. By the sounds of
it, it could have been one of the many ******s that you encountered this
morning.

Thankfully I avoided the said accident by a few minutes. It didn't look like
anyone was seriously hurt. I suspect that the driver may have been
distracted by the new pie stall that has been setup at the old real estate
place. Oxley Rd is getting out of control these days.. especially the
Sherwood Rd intersection.

Lotte - do you know the back way? Head up sherwod rd past woolworths, turn
right just before the train tracks, ride along parallel to the train tracks
(inc. a small section of footpath). Fewer traffic lights, bogans, wider road
etc. etc.. You only have to cross one intersection. It will spit you out at
chelmer st east (near the AFL field), where the accident was this morning.

My 2c

Jimbo





>

> Right, so I was supposed to ride with

[tony f]

"LotteBum" > wrote in message
...
>
<snip>>
> So there you go. I'm ANGRY today.
>
> Lotte
>
> P.S. I demanded another f*cker pull over at Toowong as well. He was in
> a black merc and tried to get between me and a car turning right. He
> got scared and drove off. It's good to see that Aussie men are just as
> 'tuff mate' as they think they are. F*cking pussies.
>
> P.P.S. Don't f*ck with me today.
>
> P.P.S. For those of you wondering what exactly I would do if Mr White
> Excel got out of the car, I would have thrown a quick punch followed by
> a quick elbow. I so do not care anymore.
>
> P.P.P.S. I've lost the plot.

....ummm...errr

I'm not saying NOTHIN'!

Tony F

[Humbug]

On 18/10/05 at 08:37:29 LotteBum somehow managed to type:

<Take no prisoners tale snipped>

Ahhhh the wonders of a full moon.

--
Humbug

[LotteBum]

Tony F wrote:

....ummm...errr

I'm not saying NOTHIN'!

You're just as scared as the rest of them!


--
LotteBum

[cfsmtb]

LotteBum Wrote:
>
>
> P.P.P.S. I've lost the plot.


Feck, are they still sneaking in lead additives in petrol for sale up
there? Or the emissions could be circulating in the aircon, hence the
erratic behaviour. :mad:


--
cfsmtb

[Resound]

"Peter McCallum" > wrote in message
news:1h4mewr.xiy90d1o432qaN%p5m8.REMOVETHIS@yahoo. com.au...
> LotteBum > wrote:
>
>> P.P.P.S. I've lost the plot.
>
> Join the club
>
> P
> --
> Peter McCallum
> Mackay Qld AUSTRALIA

I did have one notable twit yesterday, the first in a while where I had to
take serious evasive action. (I usually see them coming from further away) I
was going up the hill on Victoria Parade, heading east towards Nicholson.
Despite the fact that it's uphill, I easily going faster than the cars. An
old coot in his Hyundai Lantra wobbles across into a parking spot while I've
got my front wheel level with his B-pillar and doing at least 5kph more than
him. So I yelped and landed on the anchors pulling up next to his driver's
window to give his a brief dissertation on the wonders of mirrors and the
joy of headchecks. He gave me his cheesiest "let's be mates" grin while
informing me that he hadn't seen me. I told him that was obvious and pointed
at his passenger-side mirror suggesting that it was an important and useful
piece of his car. The "let's be mates" grins was replaced by the bewildered
"but I used the let's be mates grin why didn't he grin back" look. So I just
told him to pay attention to what he was doing and stomped up the hill.

Twit.

[tony f]

"LotteBum" > wrote in message
...
>
> Tony F wrote:
>
> ...ummm...errr
>
> I'm not saying NOTHIN'!
>
> You're just as scared as the rest of them!
>

Too bloody right!!! ;^)

Tony F

[Resound]

"tony f" > wrote in message
...
>
> "LotteBum" > wrote in
> message
> ...
>>
>> Tony F wrote:
>>
>> ...ummm...errr
>>
>> I'm not saying NOTHIN'!
>>
>> You're just as scared as the rest of them!
>>
>
> Too bloody right!!! ;^)
>
> Tony F
>
>
You're not scared of a GIRL are you?

*dons body armour*

[LotteBum]

Resound wrote:

You're not scared of a GIRL are you?

*dons body armour*

With good reason, my friend. You're cruising for a bruising.

I'm all fired up for my ride home. No-one wants to f*ck with me.

Lotte


--
LotteBum

[BrettS]

Resound wrote:
> "tony f" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>"LotteBum" > wrote in
>>message
...
>>
>>>Tony F wrote:
>>>
>>>...ummm...errr
>>>
>>>I'm not saying NOTHIN'!
>>>
>>>You're just as scared as the rest of them!
>>>
>>
>>Too bloody right!!! ;^)
>>
>>Tony F
>>
>>
>
> You're not scared of a GIRL are you?
>
> *dons body armour*
>
>

Well, she is a *scary* girl...

<grin>

--
BrettS

[Dee Dub]

Last week was about to enter onto 40km'h street from side street.
Fortunately saw/heard the Excel-like vehicle being driven at 65km/hr
plus so delayed entering the carriageway.

As the car was heading to a dead end, I guessed the driver would be
stopping soon ;) , so followed up the street - at a much more sedate
pace.

Driver (20 something female young professional in first car not bought
by parents) had stopped to let her socially similar friend out. I
indicated for her to put the window down. I explained the road rules
regarding speed limits and safety and vulnerability of other road
users.

For the rest of the ride home, I contemplated what I should have added,
in particular that the last time I encountered such a driver I was lucky
to only break my collar bone in several places and avoid head injuries
or more permanent disability. Not the venom or imagination you'v got
Lotte, but I got the message across this time :)


--
Dee Dub

[SteveA]

LotteBum Wrote:
> Resound wrote:
>
> You're not scared of a GIRL are you?
>
> *dons body armour*
>
> With good reason, my friend. You're cruising for a bruising.
>
> I'm all fired up for my ride home. No-one wants to f*ck with me.
>
> Lotte
Yep, Brisvegas radio stations all informed. 'Drive Time' announcers
all ready with their 'Lotte Reports'.

"There's another major hold up at the intersection of Oxley and
Sherwood Roads. Apparently Lotte has been at it with the shotty this
afternoon. The police have warned that motorists should stay out of
this area until it has been declared safe. Police have counted the
bodies of twelve drivers so far. There's a special bulletin for Hilux
and Prajero drivers - GET THE FSCK OUT OF THERE NOW"

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

SteveA


--
SteveA

[LotteBum]

SteveA wrote:

"There's another major hold up at the intersection of Oxley and
Sherwood Roads. Apparently Lotte has been at it with the shotty this
afternoon. The police have warned that motorists should stay out of
this area until it has been declared safe. Police have counted the
bodies of twelve drivers so far. There's a special bulletin for Hilux
and Prajero drivers - GET THE FSCK OUT OF THERE NOW"

I'm glad I left the shotty at home. Otherwise, I fear that this would
be reality. Only another 45 minutes until I go home, so you all have
about an hour to get off the roads.

LotteBum


--
LotteBum

[Terry Collins]

LotteBum wrote:

> P.P.P.S. I've lost the plot.

Hmm, Thor & I have taken to riding together again for the last couple of
months. Wifey has indicated that I'd better only apply Thor during pay
week or she might not bail me out.

[PiledHigher]

LotteBum Wrote:
> SteveA wrote:
>
> "There's another major hold up at the intersection of Oxley and
> Sherwood Roads. Apparently Lotte has been at it with the shotty this
> afternoon. The police have warned that motorists should stay out of
> this area until it has been declared safe. Police have counted the
> bodies of twelve drivers so far. There's a special bulletin for Hilux
> and Prajero drivers - GET THE FSCK OUT OF THERE NOW"
>
> I'm glad I left the shotty at home. Otherwise, I fear that this would
> be reality. Only another 45 minutes until I go home, so you all have
> about an hour to get off the roads.
>
> LotteBum

Just airbag them Lotte!
http://yourfilehost.com/media.php?c...file=airbag.wmv


--
PiledHigher

[TimC]

On 2005-10-18, Resound (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> I did have one notable twit yesterday, the first in a while where I had to
> take serious evasive action. (I usually see them coming from further away) I
> was going up the hill on Victoria Parade, heading east towards Nicholson.
> Despite the fact that it's uphill, I easily going faster than the cars. An
> old coot in his Hyundai Lantra wobbles across into a parking spot while I've
> got my front wheel level with his B-pillar and doing at least 5kph more than
> him. So I yelped and landed on the anchors pulling up next to his driver's
> window to give his a brief dissertation on the wonders of mirrors and the
> joy of headchecks. He gave me his cheesiest "let's be mates" grin while
> informing me that he hadn't seen me. I told him that was obvious and pointed
> at his passenger-side mirror suggesting that it was an important and useful
> piece of his car. The "let's be mates" grins was replaced by the bewildered
> "but I used the let's be mates grin why didn't he grin back" look. So I just
> told him to pay attention to what he was doing and stomped up the hill.

Tell him that manoeuvre downed a cyclist last week (a cyclist that's
going to come back and murder the next fecker who does that to me).
Maybe he'll care, maybe he won't.

I saw a car, about 500m up from me this morning, do this same
manoeuvre. Quick pull into the left, indicating only once the turn
started. I got level with the car and yelled out something
unintelligible to them (what do you say?). I claimed the entire lane
at my "accident" (there should be a word for a collision caused by
carelessness) site this morning. I'm going to be quite wary and
nervous of that manoeuvre for a while, but there's not much you can
do.

--
TimC
A Chemist who falls in acid is absorbed in work.

[dave]

TimC wrote:
> On 2005-10-18, Resound (aka Bruce)
> was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
>
>>I did have one notable twit yesterday, the first in a while where I had to
>>take serious evasive action. (I usually see them coming from further away) I
>>was going up the hill on Victoria Parade, heading east towards Nicholson.
>>Despite the fact that it's uphill, I easily going faster than the cars. An
>>old coot in his Hyundai Lantra wobbles across into a parking spot while I've
>>got my front wheel level with his B-pillar and doing at least 5kph more than
>>him. So I yelped and landed on the anchors pulling up next to his driver's
>>window to give his a brief dissertation on the wonders of mirrors and the
>>joy of headchecks. He gave me his cheesiest "let's be mates" grin while
>>informing me that he hadn't seen me. I told him that was obvious and pointed
>>at his passenger-side mirror suggesting that it was an important and useful
>>piece of his car. The "let's be mates" grins was replaced by the bewildered
>>"but I used the let's be mates grin why didn't he grin back" look. So I just
>>told him to pay attention to what he was doing and stomped up the hill.
>
>
> Tell him that manoeuvre downed a cyclist last week (a cyclist that's
> going to come back and murder the next fecker who does that to me).
> Maybe he'll care, maybe he won't.
>
> I saw a car, about 500m up from me this morning, do this same
> manoeuvre. Quick pull into the left, indicating only once the turn
> started. I got level with the car and yelled out something
> unintelligible to them (what do you say?). I claimed the entire lane
> at my "accident" (there should be a word for a collision caused by
> carelessness) site this morning. I'm going to be quite wary and
> nervous of that manoeuvre for a while, but there's not much you can
> do.
>


Was expecting you to come and grab that stuff.. TIm did you sort it?

My flatmate did the same thing exactly today. Not a single flash in the
2.5 seconds between her deciding to pull in and stopped. Jeez you
should hear her when someone does it to her. Amazing.

[BruceA]

"LotteBum" wrote

snip

> Only another 45 minutes until I go home, so you all have
> about an hour to get off the roads.

Looking forward to the ride home report :-)

BruceA

[L'acrobat]

"LotteBum" > wrote in message
...

>
> P.S. I demanded another f*cker pull over at Toowong as well. He was in
> a black merc and tried to get between me and a car turning right. He
> got scared and drove off. It's good to see that Aussie men are just as
> 'tuff mate' as they think they are. F*cking pussies.
>

I've had my ****ty days on the bike, but frankly the above is wank.

Everyone knows you don't win decking a female, even if she starts it. you
will always lose, so civilised males walk away as they have nothing to gain.

The guy wasn't scared of you, you just have to ask yourself, whats in it for
him to get in a confrontation with a female? he gets home and tells the
wife, "prick of a day at work dear and then I broke the nose of some chick
on the way home who was looking for a fight" that is always going to play
out as a happy scene isn't it, particularly when some passing motorist calls
the police in.

I'm also sure you wouldn't be criticising him right now if he had beat the
**** out of you. would you?

[dave]

L'acrobat wrote:
> "LotteBum" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>
>>P.S. I demanded another f*cker pull over at Toowong as well. He was in
>>a black merc and tried to get between me and a car turning right. He
>>got scared and drove off. It's good to see that Aussie men are just as
>>'tuff mate' as they think they are. F*cking pussies.
>>
>
>
> I've had my ****ty days on the bike, but frankly the above is wank.
>
> Everyone knows you don't win decking a female, even if she starts it. you
> will always lose, so civilised males walk away as they have nothing to gain.
>
> The guy wasn't scared of you, you just have to ask yourself, whats in it for
> him to get in a confrontation with a female? he gets home and tells the
> wife, "prick of a day at work dear and then I broke the nose of some chick
> on the way home who was looking for a fight" that is always going to play
> out as a happy scene isn't it, particularly when some passing motorist calls
> the police in.
>
> I'm also sure you wouldn't be criticising him right now if he had beat the
> **** out of you. would you?
>
>
>
I,ll have $20 on Lotte.

[LotteBum]

Everyone knows you don't win decking a female, even if she starts it.
you
will always lose, so civilised males walk away as they have nothing to
gain.

You're calling the man who tried to kill me civilised? I wouldn't go
that far.

The guy wasn't scared of you, you just have to ask yourself, whats in
it for
him to get in a confrontation with a female? he gets home and tells the
wife, "prick of a day at work dear and then I broke the nose of some
chick
on the way home who was looking for a fight" that is always going to
play
out as a happy scene isn't it, particularly when some passing motorist
calls
the police in.

You're saying I was looking for a fight? If I was looking for a fight,
I'd go to a pub with a herd of mates and tell some big guy that his
Missues looks like the chick I f*cked last week. I would hardly call
telling someone to pull over "looking for a fight". HE was looking the
idiot looking for a fight, but too scared (or "civilised") to do
anything about it.

I'm also sure you wouldn't be criticising him right now if he had beat
the
**** out of you. would you?

Depends how good a job he did.

LotteBum


--
LotteBum

[hippy]

LotteBum Wrote:
> P.P.P.S. I've lost the plot.

Jeesus grrl! (and I thought I was bad! :P)
You need some chocolate, stat!

What did they do? Release all the convicted drink drivers onto your
patch all on the same day? What a cnut of a ride.

I've been at a point similar to what you describe a few times. I don't
actually like it and I think it's probably not good to continue like
that. Perhaps you should leave the commuting for a bit and do some
car-free mtbing? I know it will feel like giving in to the cars, but
it's not, you are just riding somewhere else for a while. It might give
you a break from CommuteStress.

Just a thought from a recently chilled out commuter..

hippy
I'll be back on the road soon like and then the sh1t will start again,
no doubt.


--
hippy

[Peter McCallum]

hippy > wrote:
> hippy
> I'll be back on the road soon like and then the sh1t will start again,
> no doubt.

Just smile and wave .... the more they blast the horn the more you smile
and wave.

Keeps you placid, makes them think they have to develop another
communication strategy.

Also makes them think that they may know you, and are therefore less
likely to try to run you down (this may not apply to friends of
Melbourne gangland types).

Peter
--
Peter McCallum
Mackay Qld AUSTRALIA

[L'acrobat]

"LotteBum" > wrote in message
...

>
> You're saying I was looking for a fight? If I was looking for a fight,
> I'd go to a pub with a herd of mates and tell some big guy that his
> Missues looks like the chick I f*cked last week. I would hardly call
> telling someone to pull over "looking for a fight". HE was looking the
> idiot looking for a fight, but too scared (or "civilised") to do
> anything about it.


Yep, you make it pretty clear you were looking for a fight.

"P.P.S. For those of you wondering what exactly I would do if Mr White
Excel got out of the car, I would have thrown a quick punch followed by
a quick elbow. I so do not care anymore. "


Oh yes, he was scared of you. live the dream dear. everyones tough on
usenet.

Tell me again, whats in it for him to beat the **** out of you?

All he gets is public humiliation for assaulting women, jail time and a
criminal record, if he's lucky you'll dent his car during the fight too.


>
> I'm also sure you wouldn't be criticising him right now if he had beat
> the
> **** out of you. would you?
>
> Depends how good a job he did.
>

Of course you would...

[L'acrobat]

"LotteBum" > wrote in message
...

>
> You're saying I was looking for a fight? If I was looking for a fight,
> I'd go to a pub with a herd of mates and tell some big guy that his
> Missues looks like the chick I f*cked last week.

Oh and that won't start a fight, he'll just ask if he can watch.

[LotteBum]

Yep, you make it pretty clear you were looking for a fight.

You're wrong. There's a big difference between specifically looking
for a fight and assaulting someone who tried to kill you.

Oh yes, he was scared of you. live the dream dear. everyones tough on
usenet.

You don't appear tough to me at all.

Tell me again, whats in it for him to beat the **** out of you?

Tell me what's in it for him to kill me? I'd rather get into a fight
with an old fart with clacking false teeth than be killed by his one
tonne car.

All he gets is public humiliation for assaulting women, jail time and a
criminal record, if he's lucky you'll dent his car during the fight
too.

Attempted murder is considerably worse than assault, but that's just my
opinion. You'd obviously rather be hit by a car.

Lotte


--
LotteBum

[L'acrobat]

"LotteBum" > wrote in message
...
>
> Yep, you make it pretty clear you were looking for a fight.
>
> You're wrong. There's a big difference between specifically looking
> for a fight and assaulting someone who tried to kill you.

No there isn't after the fact (you can defend yourself against assault, but
once it has stopped you can't go and assault them) and if he'd tried to kill
you, you'd be dead - he was armed with a Merc and you had a bike.

>
> Oh yes, he was scared of you. live the dream dear. everyones tough on
> usenet.
>
> You don't appear tough to me at all.
>

I so care.

> Tell me again, whats in it for him to beat the **** out of you?
>
> Tell me what's in it for him to kill me? I'd rather get into a fight
> with an old fart with clacking false teeth than be killed by his one
> tonne car.
>

I notice you have again avoided the question. whats in it for him to beat
the **** out of you?

Its not a difficult question, give it a go.

However, you tell us above that you wanted to assault some old guy, but
since he wasn't available some other guy in the Merc would do - you got a
fright and went looking for an excuse, I suspect you are very lucky you
didn't find someone who would indulge you.

> All he gets is public humiliation for assaulting women, jail time and a
> criminal record, if he's lucky you'll dent his car during the fight
> too.
>
> Attempted murder is considerably worse than assault, but that's just my
> opinion. You'd obviously rather be hit by a car.
>

Attempted murder? hardly dear - "He was in a black merc and tried to get
between me and a car turning right." is only attempted murder in your world.

Tell me again how trying to pick a fight with a bad driver after the fact
helps avoid being hit by a car?

Now go on and live the dream. you are tough and drivers are scared of you.

I'm sure that women all over the country applaud your attempts to convince
men that the way to prove their manhood is to beat women. "He got scared and
drove off. It's good to see that Aussie men are just as 'tuff mate' as they
think they are. F*cking pussies."

[LotteBum]

No there isn't after the fact (you can defend yourself against assault,
but
once it has stopped you can't go and assault them) and if he'd tried to
kill
you, you'd be dead - he was armed with a Merc and you had a bike.

That's your opinion. I diagree with you.


I notice you have again avoided the question. whats in it for him to
beat
the **** out of you?

Its not a difficult question, give it a go.

Personal satisfaction. That's all I can come up with. What's in it
for him to run me over in his car? Possibly the same sort of thing...

However, you tell us above that you wanted to assault some old guy, but
since he wasn't available some other guy in the Merc would do - you got
a
fright and went looking for an excuse, I suspect you are very lucky you
didn't find someone who would indulge you.

Call me lucky - I did say that I don't care anymore.


Attempted murder? hardly dear - "He was in a black merc and tried to
get
between me and a car turning right." is only attempted murder in your
world.

Please stop calling me dear. I'm not concerned about your definition -
I'm sticking with mine.

Tell me again how trying to pick a fight with a bad driver after the
fact
helps avoid being hit by a car?

Maybe they won't do it again....

How do they know I'm not a dangerous woman? Maybe, just maybe, the
realise that p!ssing cyclists off isn't something to be done too
regularly.

Now go on and live the dream. you are tough and drivers are scared of
you.

They're not scared of me until I confront them. That's when they sh!t
themselves because really they're only tough when they are surrounded
by 1 tonne of metal.

I'm sure that women all over the country applaud your attempts to
convince
men that the way to prove their manhood is to beat women.

I didn't say that.

You have your opinion, I have mine. It's as simple as that. Why do
you even care anyway?

Lotte


--
LotteBum

[LotteBum]

Oh and one more thing: wrack off Theo.


--
LotteBum

[L'acrobat]

"LotteBum" > wrote in message
...
>
> No there isn't after the fact (you can defend yourself against assault,
> but
> once it has stopped you can't go and assault them) and if he'd tried to
> kill
> you, you'd be dead - he was armed with a Merc and you had a bike.
>
> That's your opinion. I diagree with you.
>

No its the law, unless you are referring to your chances of surviving an
attack with a Merc on a cyclist, that one is simple physics.

>
> I notice you have again avoided the question. whats in it for him to
> beat
> the **** out of you?
>
> Its not a difficult question, give it a go.
>
> Personal satisfaction. That's all I can come up with. What's in it
> for him to run me over in his car? Possibly the same sort of thing...


Oh I see, so you think he will derive personal satisfaction from beating the
**** out of a woman. I think this tells us more about your relationships
than we really want to know.

BTW, since he didn't run you over with his car, its hard to establish a
linkage, but keep trying.

>
> However, you tell us above that you wanted to assault some old guy, but
> since he wasn't available some other guy in the Merc would do - you got
> a
> fright and went looking for an excuse, I suspect you are very lucky you
> didn't find someone who would indulge you.
>
> Call me lucky - I did say that I don't care anymore.

I'd just call you stupid.


>
>
> Attempted murder? hardly dear - "He was in a black merc and tried to
> get
> between me and a car turning right." is only attempted murder in your
> world.
>
> Please stop calling me dear. I'm not concerned about your definition -
> I'm sticking with mine.

Sorry dear, reality disagrees with you.

He had a car, if he wanted you dead, you'd be dead.

>
> Tell me again how trying to pick a fight with a bad driver after the
> fact
> helps avoid being hit by a car?
>
> Maybe they won't do it again....

Or equally likely, you rack up some appalling PR for ALL cyclists and
impress upon all drivers that cyclists shouldn't be on the roads.

>
> How do they know I'm not a dangerous woman? Maybe, just maybe, the
> realise that p!ssing cyclists off isn't something to be done too
> regularly.

Ah yes, the well thought out 'make them afraid of cyclists' approach, sorry
dear, read up on some physics - they can kill you with a flick of the wheel,
there is nothing you can do to make them stop and little you can do to them
at the lights, all of it illegal.

>
> Now go on and live the dream. you are tough and drivers are scared of
> you.
>
> They're not scared of me until I confront them. That's when they sh!t
> themselves because really they're only tough when they are surrounded
> by 1 tonne of metal.

and you are protected by the fact you are a female dear, get a guy of your
size/build to do it and he will wake up in the emergency dept.

Live the dream, the reality is you scare no one.

>
> I'm sure that women all over the country applaud your attempts to
> convince
> men that the way to prove their manhood is to beat women.
>
> I didn't say that.

Yes you did.

FMD why lie when the truth is in the same thread? " It's good to see that
Aussie men are just as
'tuff mate' as they think they are. F*cking pussies."

He is a Pussy because he wouldn't get out and fight you, a pretty clear
indication that the way to prove his manhood was to beat a woman.

Feel free to try a different interpretation of it.

>
> You have your opinion, I have mine. It's as simple as that. Why do
> you even care anyway?
>

Why do you write such wank and behave like such a fool - how proud you are
of scaring an old guy, thats so hard to do, isn't it? - all you had to do
was report the old goose and he might have lost his licence, but you wanted
to belt a pensioner, how brave of you.

The rest of us cyclists get tarred with the same brush as idiots like you.
thats why I care.

[LotteBum]

Oh I see, so you think he will derive personal satisfaction from beating
the
**** out of a woman.

No. I think he would derive personal satisfaction out of beating just
anyone... I'm not sure. It was the only thing I could think of. Put
it this way, I was in a state of total, uncontrollable rage because of
what he did to me... I'm not sure I would get anything out assaulting
him... that doesn't mean I didn't feel like doing it.

I think this tells us more about your relationships than we really want
to know.

That really is quite a pathetic comment.

BTW, since he didn't run you over with his car, its hard to establish a
linkage, but keep trying.

He was old - old people can't see properly. Maybe he missed me, then
got annoyed and beeped at me.

I'd just call you stupid.

I'd just call you a f*ckwit :-)

Sorry dear, reality disagrees with you.

I reiterate my above comment.

Or equally likely, you rack up some appalling PR for ALL cyclists and
impress upon all drivers that cyclists shouldn't be on the roads.


Again, I disagree with you. Having a go at someone because they do the
wrong thing is NOT racking up appaaling PR for cyclists - doing the
wrong thing on a bike is what does that. The red light running
commuter types on a sh!tbox bikes with panniers and a massive orange
flag hanging off the back them are primarily responsible for bad PR in
my opinion. I abide by traffic rules at all times.

Ah yes, the well thought out 'make them afraid of cyclists' approach,
sorry
dear, read up on some physics - they can kill you with a flick of the
wheel,
there is nothing you can do to make them stop and little you can do to
them
at the lights, all of it illegal.

If they're going to make my life hell, I'm going to give some back
every now and again. Law or not.

and you are protected by the fact you are a female dear, get a guy of
your
size/build to do it and he will wake up in the emergency dept.

I'm hardly 'protected' by the fact that I'm female. Women being beaten
up by men isn't uncommon...

Yes you did.

No I didn't. That's how you interpreted what I said. But that is not
what I said.

He is a Pussy because he wouldn't get out and fight you, a pretty clear
indication that the way to prove his manhood was to beat a woman.

He is a pussy because he didn't get out of the car and at least
confront me. If you're going to start something with someone, then why
run away when the other person reacts? That seems like a pussy thing to
do to me.


Why do you write such wank and behave like such a fool - how proud you
are of scaring an old guy, thats so hard to do, isn't it?

No. It wasn't hard at all.

- all you had to do was report the old goose and he might have lost his
licence, but you wanted to belt a pensioner, how brave of you.

Equally brave - he wanted to intimidate a young female. It's not about
sex, stature or age.

The rest of us cyclists get tarred with the same brush as idiots like
you.
thats why I care.

Read above re: road rules - that's what gives us a bad name, not having
a go at someone because they're trying to kill you.

Alright, I give up now - can't be @rsed with you anymore.

Lotte


--
LotteBum

[Graeme Dods]

On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:09:18 +1000, LotteBum wrote:

> Oh and one more thing: wrack off Theo.

You think L'acrobat and Theo are one and the same? Barring the differences
is writing style, do you not think it unusual that Theo would go to the
trouble to post via Bigpond's news servers (which requires a Bigpond
account) when his family company is an ISP. L'acrobat and Theo post on
totally different news groups with only a.b as common ground (as far as I
can see). Or was that just a general "wrack off" 'cause you're feeling
cranky?

Graeme

[SteveA]

Graeme Dods Wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:09:18 +1000, LotteBum wrote:
>
> > Oh and one more thing: wrack off Theo.
>
> You think L'acrobat and Theo are one and the same? Barring the
> differences
> is writing style, do you not think it unusual that Theo would go to the
> trouble to post via Bigpond's news servers (which requires a Bigpond
> account) when his family company is an ISP. L'acrobat and Theo post on
> totally different news groups with only a.b as common ground (as far as
> I
> can see). Or was that just a general "wrack off" 'cause you're feeling
> cranky?
>
> Graeme
I too am prone to a 'general whine because I haven't had one for a
while'

As is obviously Lotte.

For goodness sake, can someone give her 'one'* and make her happier :D
:D :D and less likely to top someone!!

*whatever one is :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Steve(I am already apologising for this posting)A


--
SteveA

[cfsmtb]

Yeah, ok. Time out everyone. Get a room blahblahblah. Oh, and SteveA,
luckily you're in WA....any closer to QLD and you're gonna die... :D
:D


--
cfsmtb

[LotteBum]

cfsmtb wrote:

Yeah, ok. Time out everyone. Get a room blahblahblah.

Only if I get to choose who I get a room with....

Lotte


--
LotteBum

[L'acrobat]

"LotteBum" > wrote in message
...
>
> Oh I see, so you think he will derive personal satisfaction from beating
> the
> **** out of a woman.
>
> No. I think he would derive personal satisfaction out of beating just
> anyone... I'm not sure.

Or to put it another way, you don't have a clue. you wanted a fight and when
he was too smart to give it to you, so you decided he was afraid of you.

> It was the only thing I could think of. Put
> it this way, I was in a state of total, uncontrollable rage because of
> what he did to me... I'm not sure I would get anything out assaulting
> him... that doesn't mean I didn't feel like doing it.

Good, now you are starting to realise just how stupidly you were acting.

BTW, if you can't control you anger, seek professional help or it could get
you very badly hurt.



>
> I think this tells us more about your relationships than we really want
> to know.
>
> That really is quite a pathetic comment.

Yet you are the one suggesting that you believe men derive satisfaction from
beating women. how else should I interpret "Personal satisfaction. That's
all I can come up with."

>
> BTW, since he didn't run you over with his car, its hard to establish a
> linkage, but keep trying.
>
> He was old - old people can't see properly. Maybe he missed me, then
> got annoyed and beeped at me.

all women are stupid, greedy and ruled by their hormonal urges. see, we can
all play the sweeping sterotypes game.

You have no idea what happened and are now clutching at straws to justify
your actions.

>
> I'd just call you stupid.
>
> I'd just call you a f*ckwit :-)

A perfect example of the gutless smiley, if you are going to insult people
at least have the courage not to try to soften it with a smiley.

>
> Sorry dear, reality disagrees with you.
>
> I reiterate my above comment.

Yes, I expect you do, but it doesn't make the factual errors in your
argument any less glaring, does it dear?

>
> Or equally likely, you rack up some appalling PR for ALL cyclists and
> impress upon all drivers that cyclists shouldn't be on the roads.
>
>
> Again, I disagree with you. Having a go at someone because they do the
> wrong thing is NOT racking up appaaling PR for cyclists - doing the
> wrong thing on a bike is what does that. The red light running
> commuter types on a sh!tbox bikes with panniers and a massive orange
> flag hanging off the back them are primarily responsible for bad PR in
> my opinion. I abide by traffic rules at all times.

Oh I see. which traffic rule gives you a right to pull over other vehicles?

Which traffic rule allows you to assault pensioners? (your admitted intent)

"For those of you wondering what exactly I would do if Mr White
Excel got out of the car, I would have thrown a quick punch followed by
a quick elbow. "

and assaulting a pensioner is going to be terrific PR for cyclists isn't it?

and I can certainly see where a commuter cyclist will bring far worse PR
with his panniers than some lackwit beating up a pensioner by the side of a
public road...

FMD, just how stupid are you?


>
> Ah yes, the well thought out 'make them afraid of cyclists' approach,
> sorry
> dear, read up on some physics - they can kill you with a flick of the
> wheel,
> there is nothing you can do to make them stop and little you can do to
> them
> at the lights, all of it illegal.
>
> If they're going to make my life hell, I'm going to give some back
> every now and again. Law or not.

Excellent, cyclists who take the law into their own hands. just what we
need.

BTW, I assume we can now accept that your last paragraph was a lie, you
know, the one about always obeying the road laws?

>
> and you are protected by the fact you are a female dear, get a guy of
> your
> size/build to do it and he will wake up in the emergency dept.
>
> I'm hardly 'protected' by the fact that I'm female. Women being beaten
> up by men isn't uncommon...

I'm afraid you are dear, I expect it is the reason you didn't wake up in the
emergency dept when you tried to pick a fight - if a guy does that, he gets
the fight.


>
> Yes you did.
>
> No I didn't. That's how you interpreted what I said. But that is not
> what I said.
>
> He is a Pussy because he wouldn't get out and fight you, a pretty clear
> indication that the way to prove his manhood was to beat a woman.
>
> He is a pussy because he didn't get out of the car and at least
> confront me. If you're going to start something with someone, then why
> run away when the other person reacts? That seems like a pussy thing to
> do to me.

You don't like his driving, that isn't "starting something with someone" -
did he hit you? no.

So a screaming idiot 'demands' that he pull over and he isn't supposed to
assume there is likely to be a fight?

It really seems you are trying to worm your way out of this now. embaressed
are you?

>
> Why do you write such wank and behave like such a fool - how proud you
> are of scaring an old guy, thats so hard to do, isn't it?
>
> No. It wasn't hard at all.

How proud you must be.

>
> - all you had to do was report the old goose and he might have lost his
> licence, but you wanted to belt a pensioner, how brave of you.
>
> Equally brave - he wanted to intimidate a young female. It's not about
> sex, stature or age.

But a moment ago, you said old people can't see well - make up your mind,
was he trying to hit you or did he not see you?

You pick on the weak and those unlikely to confront you and then boast about
it on usenet, I am so impressed by how tough you are.

>
> The rest of us cyclists get tarred with the same brush as idiots like
> you.
> thats why I care.
>
> Read above re: road rules - that's what gives us a bad name, not having
> a go at someone because they're trying to kill you.

If they were trying to kill you, you'd be dead.


>
> Alright, I give up now - can't be @rsed with you anymore.
>

Gee, brave Lotte runs for it.

So gutless you'll assault pensioners, pick fights when you know you are safe
from retribution and now you run from the facts.

What an impressive creature you are.

[Theo Bekkers]

LotteBum wrote:
> Oh and one more thing: wrack off Theo.

I didn't say anything Lotte. Not that I wasn't tempted. :-)

Theo
The holiday in Singapore and on the Virgo was great. I believe the boat only
used 600 tonnes of diesel for the five days.

[SteveA]

cfsmtb Wrote:
> Oh, and SteveA, luckily you're in WA....any closer to QLD and you're
> gonna die... :D :D

So when I go back to Brisbane to vist my old mum, I should wear a
disguise?

Hang on, no-one on this forum knows what I look like. I can write what
I like! Go where I like!

There was a young woman called Lotte
Who rode to work with her shotty
On her ride in from Logan
She was threatened by a bogan
Now, don't blood splattered Pajeros look grotty?

I am supposed to be analysing a 200 page contract and 3 x 50 page
leases that hang off the contract. Ahhhhh. No wonder I prefer to
write crap limericks. :D :D :D


Steve(holder of dual passports - Western Australian and Queenslander)A


--
SteveA

[Terry Collins]

L'acrobat wrote:


> No its the law,

yawn, legal advice is worth what you paid for it and people who give
legal opinions to support their argument are just like opinions.

> The rest of us cyclists get tarred with the same brush as idiots like you.
> thats why I care.

Give us a break and **** off. Born again bicyclist are just a righteous
PITA.

[Theo Bekkers]

Graeme Dods wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:09:18 +1000, LotteBum wrote:
>
>> Oh and one more thing: wrack off Theo.
>
> You think L'acrobat and Theo are one and the same? Barring the
> differences is writing style, do you not think it unusual that Theo
> would go to the trouble to post via Bigpond's news servers (which
> requires a Bigpond account) when his family company is an ISP.
> L'acrobat and Theo post on totally different news groups with only
> a.b as common ground (as far as I can see). Or was that just a
> general "wrack off" 'cause you're feeling cranky?

I do have a Bigpond account as I use Bigpond at home, but I never post from
it. Even from home I post via my work computer. Citrix Metaframe is a
wondrous thing, I even do our banking from home via my work computer as the
modem for the bank is connected only to my desk at work.

I don't think Lotte likes me because I believe histrionics is just so passe.

Theo
BTW Lotte, learn how to spell your insults. :-)
rack7

/rak/

phrase rack off, Australian Colloquial to leave; go: he racked off ages ago;
rack off, hairy legs!

[L'acrobat]

"Terry Collins" > wrote in message
...
> L'acrobat wrote:
>
>
>> No its the law,
>
> yawn, legal advice is worth what you paid for it and people who give
> legal opinions to support their argument are just like opinions.

Or to put it another way you are out of your depth.

>
>> The rest of us cyclists get tarred with the same brush as idiots like
>> you.
>> thats why I care.
>
> Give us a break and **** off. Born again bicyclist are just a righteous
> PITA.

Born again?

[Marty]

Theo Bekkers wrote:
> Graeme Dods wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:09:18 +1000, LotteBum wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Oh and one more thing: wrack off Theo.
>>
>>You think L'acrobat and Theo are one and the same? Barring the
>>differences is writing style, do you not think it unusual that Theo
>>would go to the trouble to post via Bigpond's news servers (which
>>requires a Bigpond account) when his family company is an ISP.
>>L'acrobat and Theo post on totally different news groups with only
>>a.b as common ground (as far as I can see). Or was that just a
>>general "wrack off" 'cause you're feeling cranky?
>
>
> I do have a Bigpond account as I use Bigpond at home, but I never post from
> it. Even from home I post via my work computer. Citrix Metaframe is a
> wondrous thing, I even do our banking from home via my work computer as the
> modem for the bank is connected only to my desk at work.
>
> I don't think Lotte likes me because I believe histrionics is just so passe.
>
> Theo
> BTW Lotte, learn how to spell your insults. :-)
> rack7
>
> /rak/
>
> phrase rack off, Australian Colloquial to leave; go: he racked off ages ago;
> rack off, hairy legs!
>
>

Does anyone remember The Newcastle Song by Bob Hudson? And young Normie
who'd come the top of his class in english? I've got a MP3 version.

Marty

[DD]

LotteBum wrote:

> ...... Unfortunately, Mr White Excel had not crashed into a pole
> and
> killed himself. There were too cars involved and neither was a white
> Excel. I hope the people are OK. I also hope that the person
> responsible opens their f*cking eyes next time.
>
> So there you go. I'm ANGRY today.
>
> Lotte


Sales of Excels, especially white, have dropped suddenly.

Little does the car manufacturing industry know that this is due to
caffeine addiction in the cycling community. I need ny coffee, get off
my road now.

[LotteBum]

SteveA wrote:

There was a young woman called Lotte
Who rode to work with her shotty
On her ride in from Logan
She was threatened by a bogan
Now, don't blood splattered Pajeros look grotty?

Haha I like it. Now if only I actually lived in Logan.

I have one about Tamyka, but it's inappropriate.

Lotte


--
LotteBum

[LotteBum]

Bekkers wrote:

I don't think Lotte likes me because I believe histrionics is just so
passe.

It's not that I don't like you... you just p!ss me off.

BTW Lotte, learn how to spell your insults. :-)

Ah yeah I was trying to tell you off without being too insulting (ie.
p!ss/f*ck off). I'll stick with what I know next time.

LotteBum


--
LotteBum

[flyingdutch]

LotteBum Wrote:
> Bekkers wrote:
>
> I don't think Lotte likes me because I believe histrionics is just so
> passe.
>
> It's not that I don't like you... you just p!ss me off.
>
> BTW Lotte, learn how to spell your insults. :-)
>
> Ah yeah I was trying to tell you off without being too insulting (ie.
> p!ss/f*ck off). I'll stick with what I know next time.
>
> LotteBum

Hey Lotte, He's dutch. He'll argue till the the cows come home and then
swap sides just to keep the argument going.
Well, that's what i do... :D

time to put this one to bed folks

How was your rides this morning?

F"DRS-hunter"Dutch


--
flyingdutch

[LotteBum]

Hey Lotte, He's dutch. He'll argue till the the cows come home and then
swap sides just to keep the argument going.
Well, that's what i do... :D

I'm Danish - we do the same. In fact, most people can't tell the
difference between Danish and Dutch and I get asked all the time if my
name is Dutch. The two are quite different if you ask me.

Anyway, I 'put it to bed' yesterday.

How was your rides this morning?

My train ride was fantastic, as always. Not. I'm considering staying
off the bike for a while because of my last commute. I'll try to at
least go off road this weekend.


--
LotteBum

[ghostgum]

I usually find that cycling to work is less stressful than driving.
There are the odd occasions which get the adrenaline running.
While ranting in this news group is certainly stress relief
(and makes for good reading :-), perhaps there are other ways
to communicate with drivers.

One I've tried a few times when angry with cars doing the
left turn from the right lane across my path, is to catch
up and suggest that next time they want to try that
manoeuver, then should do it across the front of a big
truck. That way it will be them and their passengers who
get hurt, not some innocent cyclist.[1]

On other occasions I've handed them the VicRoads leaflet
"Sharing the road with cyclists". [2]

I've thought about printing a tick a box leaflet listing
the most common driving problems that cause problems
for cyclists, marking the offence and handing it to them
or putting it under their wiper at traffic lights.
Find a pen quickly enough could be tricky, so perhaps
the boxes should be so big that you can poke your
finger through them (stress relief) to make the offence.
A smear of chain grease would also work.

Any other ways to educate drivers?

[1] One driver who pushed me onto the wrong side of
the road (right turn from my left) lane claimed to be a
"really together" driver, who also rode a motorbike.
I'd love to see his motorbike mates watch him do that
manoeuver, and realise it could just as easily have been
them.

[2] There are some drivers who are so dangerous you
wouldn't want to get with 20 metres of them again.


--
ghostgum

[EuanB]

ghostgum Wrote:
>
>
> Any other ways to educate drivers?
>
>

The first thing to do is not get upset and take it personally. Ninety
nine times out of a hundred the offender made a legitimate mistake and
no malice was intended. If you lose your cool you come across as a bit
of a loony and you're losing straight away.

When discussing stick to the facts, keep emotions out of it and make
it clear that you just want to get along. Come across as a reasonable
person and you'll like as not get treated like one; you'll also gain
more respect.

We're all human, we all fsck up an it does no good pretending we're
(cyclists) are superior to motorists in that regard. It does tend to
hurt a lot more when we fsck up though.


--
EuanB

[SuzieB]

EuanB Wrote:
> The first thing to do is not get upset and take it personally. Ninety
> nine times out of a hundred the offender made a legitimate mistake and
> no malice was intended. If you lose your cool you come across as a bit
> of a loony and you're losing straight away.
But don't get the impression that my dear husband is always so cool,
calm and collected. I do remember a poor terrified motorist one day
being yelled at by Euan for opening her door just as we were about to
go past in the car causing us to swerve. Now, she *was* in the wrong
and Euan probably should have educated her but "loony" definately
springs to mind. :D


--
SuzieB

[DaveB]

ghostgum wrote:
> I usually find that cycling to work is less stressful than driving.
> There are the odd occasions which get the adrenaline running.

Much less stressful than on the motorbike but also lacking the "buzz".

> A smear of chain grease would also work.
>

I like it, I'll be remembering that one. Legal (alrigh I'm sure someone
will disagree there), non-violent and effective. And best of all I've
usually got a ready supply on my calf muscle.

DaveB

[Resound]

SuzieB Wrote:
> But don't get the impression that my dear husband is always so cool,
> calm and collected. I do remember a poor terrified motorist one day
> being yelled at by Euan for opening her door just as we were about to
> go past in the car causing us to swerve. Now, she *was* in the wrong
> and Euan probably should have educated her but "loony" definately
> springs to mind. :D

It's that heat of the moment thing again. I have a small temper with a
long fuse, but I've been known to let loose with a stream of short,
loud, Saxon words after having nearly been doored. Calm and collected
is certainly educational, but adrenaline inducing can be educational as
well. :) So will those of us who for whatever reason were absent on
Saturday get to meet you for Friday Goating?


--
Resound

[LotteBum]

SuzieB wrote:

But don't get the impression that my dear husband is always so cool,
calm and collected. I do remember a poor terrified motorist one day
being yelled at by Euan for opening her door just as we were about to
go past in the car causing us to swerve. Now, she *was* in the wrong
and Euan probably should have educated her but "loony" definately
springs to mind. :D

Busted Euan! In all seriousness, I think I could have handled the
situation a lot better on Tuesday, but I think many of us are probably
guilty of losing the plot to some extent at motorists.

I don't see why it's up to cyclists - or any other road users for that
matter - to educate other road users (including other cyclists) about
the road rules. If they don't know the road rules, then why do they
have a licence to drive?

Lotte


--
LotteBum

[Resound]

LotteBum Wrote:
> SuzieB wrote:
>
> But don't get the impression that my dear husband is always so cool,
> calm and collected. I do remember a poor terrified motorist one day
> being yelled at by Euan for opening her door just as we were about to
> go past in the car causing us to swerve. Now, she *was* in the wrong
> and Euan probably should have educated her but "loony" definately
> springs to mind. :D
>
> Busted Euan! In all seriousness, I think I could have handled the
> situation a lot better on Tuesday, but I think many of us are probably
> guilty of losing the plot to some extent at motorists.
>
> I don't see why it's up to cyclists - or any other road users for that
> matter - to educate other road users (including other cyclists) about
> the road rules. If they don't know the road rules, then why do they
> have a licence to drive?
>
> Lotte

It's generally the lot of any minority group to have to push education
about themselves and the issues they face if they want to be
understood/accepted by the wider community. It's not ideal, but it's
the way the world works, unfortunately. Could you say that you're
intimately familiar with the responsibilities and needs of heavy
articulated vehicles? I couldn't, although I know some, and I consider
myself to be a reasonably knowledgable and considerate road user. (mind
you, so does everyone else...themselves that is, not me) Again, there
are dickhead drivers just as there are dickhead cyclists. Incidentally,
the gumby factor is seriously accelerating out there. The weather's
getting better, petrol prices are staying high, and there are a host of
people out there who've jumped on the bike and reverted to the sort of
road use behaviour that they had when they were twelve years old. We
need to educate them at least as urgently as we do motorists or the
number of cyclists getting mashed out there is going to go waaay up.
It's not going to be the fault of motorists this time either.


--
Resound

[SuzieB]

LotteBum Wrote:
>
> I don't see why it's up to cyclists - or any other road users for that
> matter - to educate other road users (including other cyclists) about
> the road rules. If they don't know the road rules, then why do they
> have a licence to drive?
I see a fair proportion of ads on at the moment trying to educate
drivers to look out for motorcycles but I don't see much telling
drivers that yep, cyclists are allowed on the road *gasp* and they can
ride two abreast *nooooo* and they can even take up the whole lane if
need be *WAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH*. The TAC seems to place education about
cyclists as a low priority but I guess they need to put the money where
the larger proportions of deaths and injuries are.
I do think drivers are very aggravated by cyclists at times though and
I wonder if that causes other accidents between cars who can't WAIT to
get past that pesky cyclist and make it to the next red light.


--
SuzieB

[SuzieB]

Resound Wrote:
> So will those of us who for whatever reason were absent on Saturday get
> to meet you for Friday Goating?
Barring one small potential hiccup I will be there. :rolleyes:


--
SuzieB

[LotteBum]

SuzieB wrote:

I see a fair proportion of ads on at the moment trying to educate
drivers to look out for motorcycles but I don't see much telling
drivers that yep, cyclists are allowed on the road *gasp* and they can
ride two abreast *nooooo* and they can even take up the whole lane if
need be *WAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH*. The TAC seems to place education about
cyclists as a low priority but I guess they need to put the money where
the larger proportions of deaths and injuries are.

It's funny how the government's changes to Industrial Relations laws
are advertised on TV, in papers etc - you can't miss them. What's so
wrong with putting some ads on TV about cyclist safety?

Lotte


--
LotteBum

[Theo Bekkers]

flyingdutch wrote:

> Hey Lotte, He's dutch. He'll argue till the the cows come home and
> then swap sides just to keep the argument going.

No I don't. :-)

Theo

[DaveB]

SuzieB wrote:
> need be *WAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH*. The TAC seems to place education about
> cyclists as a low priority but I guess they need to put the money where
> the larger proportions of deaths and injuries are.

Yep have a look at that other thread with the road death stats. Me as
cyclist had 91 but as a motorcyclist it was 494. I can see why they'd be
concentrating on motorcyclists.

DaveB

[Stuart Lamble]

On 2005-10-20, Theo Bekkers > wrote:
> flyingdutch wrote:
>
>> Hey Lotte, He's dutch. He'll argue till the the cows come home and
>> then swap sides just to keep the argument going.
>
> No I don't. :-)

This isn't an argument! This is just contradiction!

--
My Usenet From: address now expires after two weeks. If you email me, and
the mail bounces, try changing the bit before the "@" to "usenet".

[EuanB]

LotteBum Wrote:
> SuzieB wrote:
>
> But don't get the impression that my dear husband is always so cool,
> calm and collected. I do remember a poor terrified motorist one day
> being yelled at by Euan for opening her door just as we were about to
> go past in the car causing us to swerve. Now, she *was* in the wrong
> and Euan probably should have educated her but "loony" definately
> springs to mind. :D
>
> Busted Euan!
>
>
To be busted I'd have to be claiming that I don't lose my temper.
Clearly that's not the case, I do lose my temper especially when my
heart rate's hovering around 160 and some fool pulls out in front of
me.

I generally regret outbursts after the fact though.

>
> In all seriousness, I think I could have handled the situation a lot
> better on Tuesday, but I think many of us are probably guilty of losing
> the plot to some extent at motorists.
>

Yup.


>
> I don't see why it's up to cyclists - or any other road users for that
> matter - to educate other road users (including other cyclists) about
> the road rules. If they don't know the road rules, then why do they
> have a licence to drive?
>
Well for the cyclists they don't need a licence. I used to make
pointed comments to red light runners but don't bother these days. It
spoils my day and doesn't achieve much. I try to live by the 80/20
rule.

If the opportunity presents itself I'll have a calm, reasoned chat but
that's about it.


--
EuanB

[EuanB]

LotteBum Wrote:
> SuzieB wrote:
>
> I see a fair proportion of ads on at the moment trying to educate
> drivers to look out for motorcycles but I don't see much telling
> drivers that yep, cyclists are allowed on the road *gasp* and they can
> ride two abreast *nooooo* and they can even take up the whole lane if
> need be *WAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH*. The TAC seems to place education about
> cyclists as a low priority but I guess they need to put the money where
> the larger proportions of deaths and injuries are.
>
> It's funny how the government's changes to Industrial Relations laws
> are advertised on TV, in papers etc - you can't miss them. What's so
> wrong with putting some ads on TV about cyclist safety?
>
> Lotte
Finite pool of resources aimed where they'll do most good I guess.
Motorcyclists are the most over-represented statistic on the roads.
The risk to cyclists is less than that of pedestrians.


--
EuanB

[LotteBum]

Euan wrote:

To be busted I'd have to be claiming that I don't lose my temper.
Clearly that's not the case, I do lose my temper especially when my
heart rate's hovering around 160 and some fool pulls out in front of
me.

I hear you.

I generally regret outbursts after the fact though.

I sometimes regret them, but I don't crack very often... I've never had
an outburst when someone has done something and been completely unaware
- in that case I'll say something along the lines of "Whoa, watch
out!". I only crack when people deliberately aim to intimidate/kill
me.

Well for the cyclists they don't need a licence. I used to make pointed
comments to red light runners but don't bother these days. It spoils my
day and doesn't achieve much. I try to live by the 80/20 rule.

I used to have a go at people who run red lights, but I've also given
up on them - unless they directly endanger me that is. With more and
more cyclists on the road, I think I'd spend 20% of my commute telling
people off for running red lights. These days I generally just shake
my head, hoping that any motorists around see me doing so and realise
that we're not ALL terrorists.

If the opportunity presents itself I'll have a calm, reasoned chat but
that's about it.

I've done this in the past, but I find it very difficult to talk to
people when all they can do is say "Nyer f*ck off mayte".

Lotte


--
LotteBum

[SteveA]

DaveB Wrote:
>
> I like it, I'll be remembering that one. Legal (alrigh I'm sure someone
> will disagree there), non-violent and effective.
> DaveB

Can't see that the ticket would be illegal, unless you made it look
official by putting police symbols, coat of arms etc on it, or put an
on -the-spot monetary fine on it and collected it :D :D

How much would the fine be for "generally being a Fsckwit in a Car"?
:eek:

SteveA


--
SteveA

[cfsmtb]

SteveA Wrote:
>
> Steve(holder of dual passports - Western Australian and Queenslander)A

I've got joint Victorian & Tasmanian passports. And possibly QLD if the
other rellies want to see me.


--
cfsmtb

[Marty]

Stuart Lamble wrote:
> On 2005-10-20, Theo Bekkers > wrote:
>
>>flyingdutch wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hey Lotte, He's dutch. He'll argue till the the cows come home and
>>>then swap sides just to keep the argument going.
>>
>>No I don't. :-)
>
>
> This isn't an argument! This is just contradiction!
>

(Walk down the corridor)
M: (Knock)
A: Come in.
M: Ah, Is this the right room for an argument?
A: I told you once.
M: No you haven't.
A: Yes I have.
M: When?
A: Just now.
M: No you didn't.
A: Yes I did.
M: You didn't
A: I did!
M: You didn't!
A: I'm telling you I did!
M: You did not!!
A: Oh, I'm sorry, just one moment. Is this a five minute argument or
the full half hour?
M: Oh, just the five minutes.
A: Ah, thank you. Anyway, I did.
M: You most certainly did not.
A: Look, let's get this thing clear; I quite definitely told you.
M: No you did not.
A: Yes I did.
M: No you didn't.
A: Yes I did.
M: No you didn't.
A: Yes I did.
M: No you didn't.
A: Yes I did.
M: You didn't.
A: Did.
M: Oh look, this isn't an argument.
A: Yes it is.
M: No it isn't. It's just contradiction.
A: No it isn't.
M: It is!
A: It is not.
M: Look, you just contradicted me.
A: I did not.
M: Oh you did!!
A: No, no, no.
M: You did just then.
A: Nonsense!
M: Oh, this is futile!
A: No it isn't.
M: I came here for a good argument.
A: No you didn't; no, you came here for an argument.
M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
A: It can be.
M: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements
intended to establish a proposition.
A: No it isn't.
M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
A: Yes it is!
M: No it isn't!

A: Yes it is!
M: Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the
automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes.
(short pause)
A: No it isn't.
M: It is.
A: Not at all.
M: Now look.
A: (Rings bell) Good Morning.
M: What?
A: That's it. Good morning.
M: I was just getting interested.
A: Sorry, the five minutes is up.
M: That was never five minutes!
A: I'm afraid it was.
M: It wasn't.
Pause
A: I'm sorry, but I'm not allowed to argue anymore.
M: What?!
A: If you want me to go on arguing, you'll have to pay for another
five minutes.
M: Yes, but that was never five minutes, just now. Oh come on!
A: (Hums)
M: Look, this is ridiculous.
A: I'm sorry, but I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid!
M: Oh, all right.
(pays money)
A: Thank you.
short pause
M: Well?
A: Well what?
M: That wasn't really five minutes, just now.
A: I told you, I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid.
M: I just paid!
A: No you didn't.
M: I DID!
A: No you didn't.
M: Look, I don't want to argue about that.
A: Well, you didn't pay.
M: Aha. If I didn't pay, why are you arguing? I Got you!
A: No you haven't.
M: Yes I have. If you're arguing, I must have paid.
A: Not necessarily. I could be arguing in my spare time.
M: Oh I've had enough of this.
A: No you haven't.
M: Oh Shut up.

[Theo Bekkers]

Stuart Lamble wrote:
> On 2005-10-20, Theo Bekkers > wrote:

>> No I don't. :-)

> This isn't an argument!

Yes it is.

Theo

[Graeme Dods]

On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:45:54 +1000, LotteBum wrote:

> If they don't know the road rules, then why do they
> have a licence to drive?

Careful, you'll start me on a rant this time!

They don't know the road rules for a number of reasons, partly because a
lot of people have driven for so long that a number of rules have been
introduced since they were tested. Also, testing was generally more lax
years back (although my experience of the theory part of the WA test shows
that it's still a piece of p*ss). Combine all that with time making you
forget all sorts of things[1] and you've got a pretty good chance of
meeting a rather clueless driver.

One solution (which you'll have heard before) - harder tests combined with
compulsory retesting every X years, 5 or so, increasing in frequency as you
get above 70 years old (I was going to say 60, but I didn't want to rouse
Theo from his nap ;)

Graeme

[1] for example, I graduated with an honours degree in electronics and
electrical engineering 13 years ago, but having never used it since then I
needed to remind myself of a simple transistor circuit last week :-\

[Terry Collins]

Marty wrote:

> Does anyone remember The Newcastle Song by Bob Hudson? And young Normie
> who'd come the top of his class in english? I've got a MP3 version.

please, please, please, please, please, grovel, grovel, grovel {:-).


sigh, even have the LP!

[Terry Collins]

Theo Bekkers wrote:

> BTW Lotte, learn how to spell your insults. :-)

"and they are suppossed to be written in a legible hand on a 2" x 1"
card with cream edging, although ivory is acceptable."
Mrs Beecham or some other old toss pot.

[Terry Collins]

L'acrobat wrote:

>
> Or to put it another way you are out of your depth.

Yep, depth of tolerance of time wasting arseholes.
Are you or have you every been a contributing member[1] of a bug?
i.e. a person who has done something to promote bicycling?
[1] as oppossed to the righteous one who turn up and just want to argue
trivial purasuits and waste everyones time.

[Marty]

Terry Collins wrote:
> Marty wrote:
>
>
>>Does anyone remember The Newcastle Song by Bob Hudson? And young Normie
>>who'd come the top of his class in english? I've got a MP3 version.
>
>
> please, please, please, please, please, grovel, grovel, grovel {:-).
>
>
> sigh, even have the LP!

Do you want me to send it to you?

Marty

[Marty]

Terry Collins wrote:
> Marty wrote:
>
>
>>Does anyone remember The Newcastle Song by Bob Hudson? And young Normie
>>who'd come the top of his class in english? I've got a MP3 version.
>
>
> please, please, please, please, please, grovel, grovel, grovel {:-).
>
>
> sigh, even have the LP!

I've got the Aunty Jack song too. (Reminds me of Lotte for some reason,
but she wouldn't know who Aunty Jack was).

Marty

[coowoowoo]

I used to have a go at people who run red lights, but I've also given up
on them - unless they directly endanger me that is. With more and more
cyclists on the road, I think I'd spend 20% of my commute telling
people off for running red lights. These days I generally just shake
my head, hoping that any motorists around see me doing so and realise
that we're not ALL terrorists.


I hear you Lotte. I am the same. I shake my head for the same reason.
Although i am still sulking a little bit re the pannier sporting
commuter red light runner comment. I dont have a ****box bike but i do
have panniers and i refuse to run the light. I try and ride as i would
drive. I.E: Stop at the impending lights if there is enough time to do
so. Its been fun though reading about "black tuesday". The cycle gods
werent smiling down on you that day.


--
coowoowoo

[SteveA]

coowoowoo Wrote:
> I used to have a go at people who run red lights, but I've also given up
> on them - unless they directly endanger me that is. With more and more
> cyclists on the road, I think I'd spend 20% of my commute telling
> people off for running red lights. These days I generally just shake my
> head, hoping that any motorists around see me doing so and realise that
> we're not ALL terrorists.
>
>
> I hear you Lotte. I am the same. I shake my head for the same reason.
> Although i am still sulking a little bit re the pannier sporting
> commuter red light runner comment. I dont have a ****box bike but i do
> have panniers and i refuse to run the light. I try and ride as i would
> drive. I.E: Stop at the impending lights if there is enough time to do
> so. Its been fun though reading about "black tuesday". The cycle gods
> werent smiling down on you that day.
Black Tuesday?

Apologies to the Boomtown Rats...:D

The silicon chip inside her head
Gets switched to overload.
And nobody's gonna go to work today,
She's going to make them stay at home.
And Paulie doesn't understand it,
He always said she was as good as gold.
And he can see no reason
'Cause there are no reasons
What reason do you need to be shown?

Tell me why?
I don't like Tuesdays.
Tell me why?
I don't like Tuesday.
Tell me why?
I don't like Tuesdays.
I want to shoot
The whole day down.

The email machine is kept so clean
As it types to a waiting world.
And the drivers feel so shocked,
Paulie's world is rocked,
And their thoughts turn to
Their own little girl.
Sweet young cyclist ain't so peachy keen,
No, it ain't so neat to admit defeat.
They can see no reasons
'Cause there are no reasons
What reason do you need to be shown?

Tell me why?
I don't like fsckers in cars.
Tell me why?
I don't like fsckers in cars.
Tell me why?
I don't like fsckers in cars.
I want to shoot
The whole day down.

All the cars have stopped in the roadway now
She wants to play with her shotty a while.
And work's out early and soon we'll be learning
And the lesson today is how to die.
And then the bullhorn crackles,
And the policeman crackles,
With the problems and the how's and why's.
And he can see no reasons
'Cause there are no reasons
What reason do you need to die?

Tell me why?
I don't like white Excels.
Tell me why?
I don't like white Excels.
Tell me why?
I don't like white Excels.
I want to shoot
The whole day down.

SteveA


--
SteveA

[LotteBum]

coowoowoo wrote:

Although i am still sulking a little bit re the pannier sporting
commuter red light runner comment. I dont have a ****box bike but i do
have panniers and i refuse to run the light.

Believe me, it was a generalisation. Now cut the sulking!! ;)

What I meant was that most people stop for red lights, but personally,
I find that those who don't are your stereotypical 'commuter types'.
Anyway, glad you don't run red lights, or I'd have to bring out the old
shotty.

Its been fun though reading about "black tuesday". The cycle gods
werent smiling down on you that day.

That's right. They were too busy crapping on me. It was NOT a good
start to my week and I've been really grumpy ever since (have you
noticed?). I'm taking the day off work tomorrow and if I don't end up
looking after my sick nephew and it's not raining, I might throw my
mountainbike in the car and go for a bash in Daisy Hill. Either way,
hopefully that'll cure some of this anger I'm still experiencing. If I
end up going, then it will be my first time mountainbiking alone in a
long time. I wonder what Paulie will do when I call him at work at 2pm
to tell him that I have a flat in the middle of the bush and demand that
he picks me up (fix flats? Who the hell does that?!?).

Lotte


--
LotteBum

[LotteBum]

SteveA wrote:

Black Tuesday?
Apologies to the Boomtown Rats...:D

Steve... you are a classic.

Lotte


--
LotteBum

[ghostgum]

LotteBum Wrote:
>
> I wonder what Paulie will do when I call him at work at 2pm to tell
> him that I have a flat in the middle of the bush and demand that he
> picks me up (fix flats? Who the hell does that?!?).
>
Someone who doesn't want to walk all the way home.

Sorry dear, I can't get there until 6pm :-)


--
ghostgum

[LotteBum]

ghostgum wrote:


Sorry dear, I can't get there until 6pm :-)

I'd sulk for weeks. He wouldn't want to endure that. Besides, I let
him drive my pink Corolla to and from uni for years! He owes me. BIG
time.

Lotte


--
LotteBum

[Terry Collins]

Marty wrote:

>
> Do you want me to send it to you?

yes please terryc at woa . com . au

[SteveA]

LotteBum Wrote:
> SteveA wrote:
>
> Black Tuesday?
> Apologies to the Boomtown Rats...:D
>
> Steve... you are a classic.
>
> Lotte
The a.b formula:

(1) ****ty thing happens to person A
(2) person A vents to group on a.b
(3) group on a.b offers sympathy or also vents about similar or makes
lighthearted comments or combination of all three*
(4) person A feels better

* may also be some contributions in the form of criticism/argument

Enjoy

SteveA


--
SteveA

[Theo Bekkers]

Graeme Dods wrote:

> They don't know the road rules for a number of reasons, partly
> because a lot of people have driven for so long that a number of
> rules have been introduced since they were tested.

One of our employees gained six points on his licence recently (3 point
offence on a long weekend) because his child was sitting in the middle of
the rear seat of his car, wearing a lap belt that is fitted in that
position. Apparently the law is that all of the other seats and belts must
be in use before you can sit in the middle seat with a lap-only belt.

I'll bet you all knew that one. I didn't.

Theo

[Theo Bekkers]

SteveA wrote:

> * may also be some contributions in the form of criticism/argument

Nooooo!

Theo

[Graeme Dods]

On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:34:10 +0800, Theo Bekkers wrote:

> One of our employees gained six points on his licence recently (3 point
> offence on a long weekend) because his child was sitting in the middle of
> the rear seat of his car, wearing a lap belt that is fitted in that
> position. Apparently the law is that all of the other seats and belts must
> be in use before you can sit in the middle seat with a lap-only belt.
>
> I'll bet you all knew that one.

That's a new one on me, and I've only fairly recently re-read the WA
drivers hand book (whatever it's called). Mind you, that doesn't go
anywhere near giving all the information. It makes you wonder what you're
meant to do, pop down to the local library every week to check on any new
road laws?

Graeme

[TimC]

On 2005-10-20, SuzieB (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
>
> LotteBum Wrote:
>>
>> I don't see why it's up to cyclists - or any other road users for that
>> matter - to educate other road users (including other cyclists) about
>> the road rules. If they don't know the road rules, then why do they
>> have a licence to drive?
> I see a fair proportion of ads on at the moment trying to educate
> drivers to look out for motorcycles but I don't see much telling
> drivers that yep, cyclists are allowed on the road *gasp* and they can
> ride two abreast *nooooo* and they can even take up the whole lane if
> need be *WAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH*. The TAC seems to place education about
> cyclists as a low priority but I guess they need to put the money where
> the larger proportions of deaths and injuries are.
> I do think drivers are very aggravated by cyclists at times though and
> I wonder if that causes other accidents between cars who can't WAIT to
> get past that pesky cyclist and make it to the next red light.

How much money does BV have? Seriously? Should advertising not be
there *main* aim in life, given their financial backing?

--
TimC
Probably best see a real doctor and not take too much diagnostic advice
from a bunch of sysadmins who consider the body a meat computer that
needs debugging. -- Anthony de Boer on possible nerve damage in ASR

[cfsmtb]

TimC Wrote:
>
>
> How much money does BV have? Seriously? Should advertising not be
> there *main* aim in life, given their financial backing?
>
>

Are you confused the TAC with BV?


--
cfsmtb

[TimC]

On 2005-10-20, cfsmtb (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
>
> TimC Wrote:
>>
>>
>> How much money does BV have? Seriously? Should advertising not be
>> there *main* aim in life, given their financial backing?
>>
>>
>
> Are you confused the TAC with BV?

Nope. We've determined that TAC don't have enough money to focus both
on motorbikes and bikes. And they should focus on the one that has
more deaths. And that if they advertised too much, their advertising
would lose effectiveness across the board.

But BV, on the other hand, don't seem to do anything for us, safety
advocacy wise, hence Amy Gillett foundation, etc. But BV have money.
They *should* be launching advertising campaigns. Isn't their bank
balance in the millions? They're probably the only group with enough
money to launch an effective advertising campaign, in this state, at
least.

--
TimC
Entropy isn't what it used to be.

[cfsmtb]

TimC Wrote:
> Nope. We've determined that TAC don't have enough money to focus both
> on motorbikes and bikes. And they should focus on the one that has
> more deaths. And that if they advertised too much, their advertising
> would lose effectiveness across the board.
>
> But BV, on the other hand, don't seem to do anything for us, safety
> advocacy wise, hence Amy Gillett foundation, etc. But BV have money.
> They *should* be launching advertising campaigns. Isn't their bank
> balance in the millions? They're probably the only group with enough
> money to launch an effective advertising campaign, in this state, at
> least.
>


You're leaping to a lot of assumptions here Tim. Ok there are problems
with BV, but believe or not, there are some positives. Want something
to occur or change? I've posted information + links to give you a
headsup:
http://tinyurl.com/9nts8
Now take that extra step & consider longterm involvement to facilitate
it.


--
cfsmtb

[BrettS]

Marty wrote:
> Terry Collins wrote:
>
>> Marty wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Does anyone remember The Newcastle Song by Bob Hudson? And young Normie
>>> who'd come the top of his class in english? I've got a MP3 version.
>>
>>
>>
>> please, please, please, please, please, grovel, grovel, grovel {:-).
>>
>>
>> sigh, even have the LP!
>
>
> I've got the Aunty Jack song too. (Reminds me of Lotte for some reason,
> but she wouldn't know who Aunty Jack was).
>
> Marty

Send it to me, or I'll rip your bloody arms off!
;-)

--
BrettS

[Marty]

BrettS wrote:
> Marty wrote:
>
>> Terry Collins wrote:
>>
>>> Marty wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Does anyone remember The Newcastle Song by Bob Hudson? And young Normie
>>>> who'd come the top of his class in english? I've got a MP3 version.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> please, please, please, please, please, grovel, grovel, grovel {:-).
>>>
>>>
>>> sigh, even have the LP!
>>
>>
>>
>> I've got the Aunty Jack song too. (Reminds me of Lotte for some
>> reason, but she wouldn't know who Aunty Jack was).
>>
>> Marty
>
>
> Send it to me, or I'll rip your bloody arms off!
> ;-)
>
Email addy?

[L'acrobat]

"Terry Collins" > wrote in message
...
> L'acrobat wrote:
>
>>
>> Or to put it another way you are out of your depth.
>
> Yep, depth of tolerance of time wasting arseholes.

I can see where pointing out the law is a waste of time.

> Are you or have you every been a contributing member[1] of a bug?
> i.e. a person who has done something to promote bicycling?
> [1] as oppossed to the righteous one who turn up and just want to argue
> trivial purasuits and waste everyones time.

Yes, yes and what a pointless arsehole you are.

Been cycling for 30 years and promoting it for most of that time.

Its funny, people like you post your drivel on the net and think it means
you are doing something - what have you actually done in the real world to
promote cycling?

[flyingdutch]

cfsmtb Wrote:
> You're leaping to a lot of assumptions here Tim. Ok there are problems
> with BV, but believe or not, there are some positives. Want something
> to occur or change? I've posted information + links to give you a
> headsup:
> http://tinyurl.com/9nts8
> Now take that extra step & consider longterm involvement to facilitate
> it.

<conflict of interest> of course, y'all could become/renew membership
</conflict of interest> runs away

9 more hours till GOAT opens...


--
flyingdutch

[Terry Collins]

L'acrobat wrote:

>>Yep, depth of tolerance of time wasting arseholes.
>
> I can see where pointing out the law is a waste of time.

"The Law" is only what is decided by a court considering what the court
reqards as all the pertinant facts. Rabbitting on about the letter of
the law is a waste of time. You might like to actually read some case law.

> Yes, yes and what a pointless arsehole you are.

I've made my point {:-).


> Been cycling for 30 years and promoting it for most of that time.
>
> Its funny, people like you post your drivel on the net and think it means
> you are doing something - what have you actually done in the real world to
> promote cycling?

Yawn, NCM, BINSW, CCTC, HVTCC, WT, AHE, BA, WOA, MB.

[Terry Collins]

TimC wrote:

> How much money does BV have? Seriously? Should advertising not be
> there *main* aim in life, given their financial backing?

My understanding is that BV is still a membership based organisation and
if I was a member, I would see spending membership money on
"advertising" as a waste of time.

There is a whole bicycle industry out there that makes money of
bicycling that should consider dippining into their turnover and
allocating part of it for stuff like advertising.

[TimC]

On 2005-10-21, Terry Collins (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> TimC wrote:
>
>> How much money does BV have? Seriously? Should advertising not be
>> there *main* aim in life, given their financial backing?
>
> My understanding is that BV is still a membership based organisation and
> if I was a member, I would see spending membership money on
> "advertising" as a waste of time.

When I was a member, it was what I was wanting. But I didn't do my
effective part as cfsmtb was saying, and turn up to meetings :(

Once I determine whether I will be in Melb for much longer, and/or
want legal advice (I just booked in an appointment to see a free
university provided lawyer -- why didn't I think about that before?),
I shall think about rejoining. Pity they don't have pro-rate rates --
I don't want to pay $85 for 2 months BV membership -- but then you
could rig things anyway -- sign up, get legal advice, then cancel and
get a partial refund.

> There is a whole bicycle industry out there that makes money of
> bicycling that should consider dippining into their turnover and
> allocating part of it for stuff like advertising.

Good idea.

Is there a LBS industry body or something that could get together and
do this kind of thing? And how do we convince them it's in their
interests?

-- Ti "merely a customer with not much money left" mC

[EuanB]

Terry Collins Wrote:
> TimC wrote:
>
> > How much money does BV have? Seriously? Should advertising not be
> > there *main* aim in life, given their financial backing?
>
> My understanding is that BV is still a membership based organisation
> and
> if I was a member, I would see spending membership money on
> "advertising" as a waste of time.
>
Really? BV's mandate is to `get more people cycling more often'. To
date their main thrust has been infrastructure. Even when completed
that'll only cover 1.3% of the VicRoads network.

Making cycling normal and generally accepted could further that goal
far more effectively, but that takes education. Advertising is a means
of educating the public, seems like a good use of funds to me.


--
EuanB

[kevin]

little boy marty wallace boss dose not mind if he is late
because he told me LITTLE MARTY WALLACE got fired for doing this


cops said *67 is not going help Marty Wallace who is a who is a
Janitor at Griffin Coal Mining is leaving sex sounds
cops said *67 is not going help Marty Wallace who
is a who is a Janitor at the Muja Power Station is leaving cow,
sex sounds and words like ****,dick,suck,pussy,your dickhead,****,
gay,ass,**** you,now,ANIMAL,SEX,balls,hair and alot of other words
i don't want to post BECAUSE I AM A CHRISTIAN. on my cell voice mail &
ans. machine same thing and sometimes he just calls and lets the phone
ring 2 times and hangs up from this # 61897342316 and from this #
616045507000 Collie River Valley Marathon Relay,C/o Healthy Body
Care,26 B Steere St, Collie, 6225. & Muja Power Station. and posting
from both places. Griffin Coal Mining
http://www.totalbike.com/groups/read.php?f=8&i=99364&t=99364

[cfsmtb]

TimC Wrote:
>
> Is there a LBS industry body or something that could get together and
> do this kind of thing? And how do we convince them it's in their
> interests?


Most certainly is, I was a event this morning that was partially
sponspered by CPF: http://www.cyclingpromotion.com/

...and include...

http://www.cyclingpromotionalliance.com.au/

Bored? What to find something for the next coupla days
blahblahblah...go to my 'blog' (http://cfsmtb.blogspot.com) and peruse
ALL the cycling links. I don't have the entire cycling universe
represented there (yet) but it's reasonable start. :)


--
cfsmtb

[TimC]

On 2005-10-21, cfsmtb (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> Bored? What to find something for the next coupla days
> blahblahblah...go to my 'blog' (http://cfsmtb.blogspot.com) and peruse
> ALL the cycling links. I don't have the entire cycling universe
> represented there (yet) but it's reasonable start. :)

To world domination!

Oooh, hadn't seen this one before!:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/64733057@N00/14629987/in/set-353935/

--
TimC
As a computer, I find your faith in technology amusing.

[BrettS]

Marty wrote:

> BrettS wrote:
>
>> Marty wrote:
>>
>>> Terry Collins wrote:
>>>
>>>> Marty wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone remember The Newcastle Song by Bob Hudson? And young
>>>>> Normie
>>>>> who'd come the top of his class in english? I've got a MP3 version.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> please, please, please, please, please, grovel, grovel, grovel {:-).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> sigh, even have the LP!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've got the Aunty Jack song too. (Reminds me of Lotte for some
>>> reason, but she wouldn't know who Aunty Jack was).
>>>
>>> Marty
>>
>>
>>
>> Send it to me, or I'll rip your bloody arms off!
>> ;-)
>>
> Email addy?

remove NOVIAGRATHANKS to reply

Cheers

--
BrettS

[Skewer]

SteveA wrote:
> DaveB Wrote:
>
>>
>>I like it, I'll be remembering that one. Legal (alrigh I'm sure someone
>>will disagree there), non-violent and effective.
>>DaveB
>
>
> Can't see that the ticket would be illegal, unless you made it look
> official by putting police symbols, coat of arms etc on it, or put an
> on -the-spot monetary fine on it and collected it :D :D
>
> How much would the fine be for "generally being a Fsckwit in a Car"?
> :eek:
>
> SteveA
>

Might not be a traffic offence to ticket a car but IIRC its actually a
littering offence in Vic at least.
http://www.epa.vic.gov.au/Litter/fines.asp
Littering Fines
Offence On the spot In court
Placing advertising
material on vehicles $210 $1048

Would epend of course on the officers/courts definition of advertising.

[SteveA]

Skewer Wrote:
> SteveA wrote:
> > DaveB Wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>I like it, I'll be remembering that one. Legal (alrigh I'm sure
> someone
> >>will disagree there), non-violent and effective.
> >>DaveB
> >
> >
> > Can't see that the ticket would be illegal, unless you made it look
> > official by putting police symbols, coat of arms etc on it, or put an
> > on -the-spot monetary fine on it and collected it :D :D
> >
> > How much would the fine be for "generally being a Fsckwit in a Car"?
> > :eek:
> >
> > SteveA
> >
>
> Might not be a traffic offence to ticket a car but IIRC its actually a
> littering offence in Vic at least.
> http://www.epa.vic.gov.au/Litter/fines.asp
> Littering Fines
> Offence On the spot In court
> Placing advertising
> material on vehicles $210 $1048
>
> Would epend of course on the officers/courts definition of advertising.
There'd have to be an argument that it wasn't advertising material.

The other way around it might be to hand it to the driver.

Could be an interesting legal argument.

SteveA


--
SteveA

[Kim]

SteveA wrote:
> Skewer Wrote:
>
>>SteveA wrote:
>>
>>>DaveB Wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I like it, I'll be remembering that one. Legal (alrigh I'm sure
>>
>>someone
>>
>>>>will disagree there), non-violent and effective.
>>>>DaveB
>>>
>>>
>>>Can't see that the ticket would be illegal, unless you made it look
>>>official by putting police symbols, coat of arms etc on it, or put an
>>>on -the-spot monetary fine on it and collected it :D :D
>>>
>>>How much would the fine be for "generally being a Fsckwit in a Car"?
>>>:eek:
>>>
>>>SteveA
>>>
>>
>>Might not be a traffic offence to ticket a car but IIRC its actually a
>>littering offence in Vic at least.
>>http://www.epa.vic.gov.au/Litter/fines.asp
>>Littering Fines
>>Offence On the spot In court
>>Placing advertising
>>material on vehicles $210 $1048
>>
>>Would epend of course on the officers/courts definition of advertising.
>
> There'd have to be an argument that it wasn't advertising material.
>
> The other way around it might be to hand it to the driver.
>
> Could be an interesting legal argument.

how about making it a "public notice"

kim