Helmet Law article The Advertiser 3/4/06

[Gemma_k]

http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,18691607%255E2682,00.html

Nice to see the only Daily here picks up the story a fortnight later than
everyone else... *sigh*

[flyingdutch]

Gemma_k Wrote:
> http://tinyurl.com/lugmr
>
> Nice to see the only Daily here picks up the story a fortnight later
> than
> everyone else... *sigh*

gee, the AMA put up some compelling and proof-driven arguments there!
:rolleyes:
WTF would a doctor know anyway? Oh, that's right. they are gods.
or is that druids...


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flyingdutch

[Gemma_k]

"flyingdutch" > wrote in
message ...
>
> Gemma_k Wrote:
>> http://tinyurl.com/lugmr
>>
>> Nice to see the only Daily here picks up the story a fortnight later
>> than
>> everyone else... *sigh*
>
> gee, the AMA put up some compelling and proof-driven arguments there!
> :rolleyes:
> WTF would a doctor know anyway? Oh, that's right. they are gods.
> or is that druids...

I don't have access to a scanner - bu the article actually came with a
little graph of head injuries in SA involving cyclists & all head injusies
across the time period of the helmet law - showing nothing! And the article
is on page 2..... right up the front.
Gemm

[Zebee Johnstone]

In aus.bicycle on Mon, 3 Apr 2006 07:56:26 +0930
Gemma_k > wrote:
> http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,18691607%255E2682,00.html
>
> Nice to see the only Daily here picks up the story a fortnight later than
> everyone else... *sigh*

Interesting thing is why is it news?

You'd think the whole helmet thing was done and dusted, why are the
papers and news reports all deciding it's worth time?

When the sub decides when and where items go, and which ones get up
and which ones don't, why did the other papers give it more traction,
why did the 'Tiser decide to run it now?

Zebee

[Alan]

Gemma_k wrote:
> http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,18691607%255E2682,00.html
>
> Nice to see the only Daily here picks up the story a fortnight later than
> everyone else... *sigh*
>
>
The fallacy in the story is that a racer was quoted to prove the point.
The vast majority of us are not racers.

Alan.

[warrwych]

rooman Wrote:
> Dr's always question research when they arnt paid to do it or given a
> freebie handout by the Pharma company!(runs for cover).
>
> I guess what is being said ( By Dr's) is that the researcher has
> extrapolated from data across many sources, some questionable, some
> skewed and thus because of that the research cannot be relied on.
> Obviously though, there is a message in the research that some
> potential cyclists perceive danger from cycling purely because helmets
> are required.
>
> Hate to state the bleeding obvious but cycling IS dangerous, as is
> cooking, walking across the road, and climbing cliffs . Some activities
> we accept the risk and do anyway with or with out a helmet, some
> legislative requirements exist for whatever reason, but we do have
> heads that are easily damged by impact, Helmets make sense, if properly
> sized and fitted to reduce that risk.
>
> Ask the 20 guys who fell on Mt Baw Baw classic on the weekend how many
> of them would have suffered greater injury with out their helmets.
>
> Michael Gallagher, a rider of some promise and a great climber and up
> and coming newbie track rider fell in that group, whacked his head hard
> at the temple and demolished his helmet. Apart from a few brusies , he
> thanks his Limar 909 for saving his head, it joins the shelf of busted
> helmets, rather than him joining the shelve of brain damaged head
> injury victims.


*Sticker of the Weekend* (as found in a RoadSafe sample bag from Baw
Baw), large, green with white writing: "Bike Helmets Work"

Just trying to work out where to stick it now :p


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warrwych

[TimC]

On 2006-04-02, warrwych (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
>
> rooman Wrote:
>> Dr's always question research when they arnt paid to do it or given a
>> freebie handout by the Pharma company!(runs for cover).

Too cynical... and correct :(

> *Sticker of the Weekend* (as found in a RoadSafe sample bag from Baw
> Baw), large, green with white writing: "Bike Helmets Work"
>
> Just trying to work out where to stick it now :p

In the stoker's position. Make it work --- make it earn it's keep.

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TimC
It has been said that physicists stand on one another's shoulders.
If this is the case, then programmers stand on one another's toes,
and software engineers dig each other's graves. -- Unknown

[flyingdutch]

warrwych Wrote:
> *Sticker of the Weekend* (as found in a RoadSafe sample bag from Baw
> Baw), large, green with white writing: "Bike Helmets Work"
>
> Just trying to work out where to stick it now :p

maybe they should run for council/govt then :rolleyes:


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flyingdutch

[flyingdutch]

rooman Wrote:
>
> Hate to state the bleeding obvious but cycling IS dangerous, as is
> cooking, walking across the road, and climbing cliffs .

which type of pan do you recommend to use whilst cooking, walking
across the road, and climbing cliffs? that's quite a combination!
:D:D:D

Flying"Eats, shoots & leaves"Dutch


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flyingdutch

[Terry Collins]

rooman wrote:
> flyingdutch Wrote:
>
>>gee, the AMA put up some compelling and proof-driven arguments there!
>>:rolleyes:

>>WTF would a doctor know anyway? Oh, that's right. they are gods.
>>or is that druids...Dr's always question research when they arnt paid to do it or given a
> freebie handout by the Pharma company!(runs for cover).

Would anyopne like to hazard a guess where the AMA gets most of its money?


> I guess what is being said ( By Dr's) is that the researcher has
> extrapolated from data across many sources, some questionable, some
> skewed and thus because of that the research cannot be relied on.
> Obviously though, there is a message in the research that some
> potential cyclists perceive danger from cycling purely because helmets
> are required.
>
> Hate to state the bleeding obvious but cycling IS dangerous, as is
> cooking, walking across the road, and climbing cliffs .

Then why are'nt pedestrians required to wear them as walking on a
pedestrian path beside a road is far more danagerous than rock climbing.?

> Some activities
> we accept the risk and do anyway with or with out a helmet, some
> legislative requirements exist for whatever reason, but we do have
> heads that are easily damged by impact,

Lol, nope, we have skin on the head that readily bleeds profusely.
Watching the ancient war machines repeats on SBS last night and the
force needed to penetrate the skull is rather massive.


> Helmets make sense, if properly
> sized and fitted to reduce that risk.

Foot, shoot, then why are car drivers and passengers not required to
wear them, when thousands of them are killed and injured each year.

>

[Theo Bekkers]

rooman wrote:

> Hate to state the bleeding obvious but cycling IS dangerous, as is
> cooking, walking across the road, and climbing cliffs . Some
> activities we accept the risk and do anyway with or with out a
> helmet, some legislative requirements exist for whatever reason, but
> we do have heads that are easily damged by impact, Helmets make
> sense, if properly sized and fitted to reduce that risk.
>
> Ask the 20 guys who fell on Mt Baw Baw classic on the weekend how many
> of them would have suffered greater injury with out their helmets.
>
> Michael Gallagher, a rider of some promise and a great climber and up
> and coming newbie track rider fell in that group, whacked his head
> hard at the temple and demolished his helmet. Apart from a few
> brusies , he thanks his Limar 909 for saving his head, it joins the
> shelf of busted helmets, rather than him joining the shelve of brain
> damaged head injury victims.

Michael Schumaker wears a helmet when driving his race car. Do you think he
wears one when going down to the deli for a carton of milk? Driving and
riding a bicycle are not very dangerous at all, racing either is much more
so.

Theo

[Theo Bekkers]

warrwych wrote:

> *Sticker of the Weekend* (as found in a RoadSafe sample bag from Baw
> Baw), large, green with white writing: "Bike Helmets Work"
>
> Just trying to work out where to stick it now :p

Ummm, .... ummmm, no comment. :-)

Theo

[ritcho]

Gemma_k Wrote:
> http://tinyurl.com/lugmr
>
> Nice to see the only Daily here picks up the story a fortnight later
> than
> everyone else... *sigh*

Ho hum - must have been a slow news day. Anyhow, I'm quite happy to
wear a helmet when racing, but I don't like it very much if I want to
tootle down to the shops to pick up some milk and bread...

Ritch

PS. perhaps we could mount a spike on the handlebars to help reduce the
incidence of head injuries, but abdominal injuries might increase...


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ritcho