Re: The TRUTH about Mountain Biking [Archive]

Mike Vandeman

May 24th 06, 09:43 PM

On Wed, 24 May 2006 18:01:33 GMT, Jason
> wrote:

>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>
>> Hmmm. One of us is in great demand to present scientific papers at
>> scientific conferences. Hint: it isn't YOU.
>>
>>
>
>Proof please. And a date and place for your next speaking engagement.

See my web site (learn to read first).
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ChainSmoker

May 25th 06, 06:59 AM

Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On Wed, 24 May 2006 18:01:33 GMT, Jason
> > wrote:
>
>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>
>>> Hmmm. One of us is in great demand to present scientific papers at
>>> scientific conferences. Hint: it isn't YOU.
>>>
>>>
>> Proof please. And a date and place for your next speaking engagement.
>
> See my web site (learn to read first).
> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Vandeman is scared out of his diapers to post date(s) and time(s) here...

Jason

May 25th 06, 12:33 PM

Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On Wed, 24 May 2006 18:01:33 GMT, Jason
> > wrote:
>
>
>>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hmmm. One of us is in great demand to present scientific papers at
>>>scientific conferences. Hint: it isn't YOU.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Proof please. And a date and place for your next speaking engagement.
>
>
> See my web site (learn to read first).

I've been to that thing you call a website and I see no proof your next
speaking engagement or peer reviewed papers. I see your standard cut and
paste out of context changing the facts to fit your views nonsense though.

So I ask again lets see the peer reviewed papers and when is your next
speaking engagement.

Mike Vandeman

May 25th 06, 04:17 PM

On Thu, 25 May 2006 01:59:22 -0400, ChainSmoker
> wrote:

>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 May 2006 18:01:33 GMT, Jason
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hmmm. One of us is in great demand to present scientific papers at
>>>> scientific conferences. Hint: it isn't YOU.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Proof please. And a date and place for your next speaking engagement.
>>
>> See my web site (learn to read first).
>> ===
>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>
>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>
>
>Vandeman is scared out of his diapers to post date(s) and time(s) here...

They are all on my web site. Learn to read.
===
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humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Mike Vandeman

May 25th 06, 04:18 PM

On Thu, 25 May 2006 11:33:00 GMT, Jason
> wrote:

>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 May 2006 18:01:33 GMT, Jason
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hmmm. One of us is in great demand to present scientific papers at
>>>>scientific conferences. Hint: it isn't YOU.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Proof please. And a date and place for your next speaking engagement.
>>
>>
>> See my web site (learn to read first).
>
>
>I've been to that thing you call a website and I see no proof your next
>speaking engagement or peer reviewed papers. I see your standard cut and
>paste out of context changing the facts to fit your views nonsense though.
>
>So I ask again lets see the peer reviewed papers and when is your next
>speaking engagement.

It's all on my web site. But you have to know how to read. Ask your
mommy to help you.
===
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humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

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ChainSmoker

May 25th 06, 04:28 PM

Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On Thu, 25 May 2006 11:33:00 GMT, Jason
> > wrote:
>
>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>> On Wed, 24 May 2006 18:01:33 GMT, Jason
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hmmm. One of us is in great demand to present scientific papers at
>>>>> scientific conferences. Hint: it isn't YOU.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Proof please. And a date and place for your next speaking engagement.
>>>
>>> See my web site (learn to read first).
>>
>> I've been to that thing you call a website and I see no proof your next
>> speaking engagement or peer reviewed papers. I see your standard cut and
>> paste out of context changing the facts to fit your views nonsense though.
>>
>> So I ask again lets see the peer reviewed papers and when is your next
>> speaking engagement.
>
> It's all on my web site. But you have to know how to read. Ask your
> mommy to help you.
> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

As noted, he is scared to post here...

Jason

May 25th 06, 04:56 PM

Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On Thu, 25 May 2006 11:33:00 GMT, Jason
> > wrote:
>
>
>>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 24 May 2006 18:01:33 GMT, Jason
> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hmmm. One of us is in great demand to present scientific papers at
>>>>>scientific conferences. Hint: it isn't YOU.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Proof please. And a date and place for your next speaking engagement.
>>>
>>>
>>>See my web site (learn to read first).
>>
>>
>>I've been to that thing you call a website and I see no proof your next
>>speaking engagement or peer reviewed papers. I see your standard cut and
>>paste out of context changing the facts to fit your views nonsense though.
>>
>>So I ask again lets see the peer reviewed papers and when is your next
>>speaking engagement.
>
>
> It's all on my web site. But you have to know how to read. Ask your
> mommy to help you.

Ok, I'll stoop to your level as that seems to be the only way to get
through to you. NO WHERE THAT I CAN SEE ON THAT MESS YOU CALL A WEBSITE
DOES IT LIST YOUR NEXT SPEAKING ENGAGEMENT NOR ANY OF YOUR PEER REVIEWS
(that I could see). Mind you after 10 minutes of the same misquoted
sudo-science I got a headache and had to stop.

Now how about being a good little kook and giving us a direct link
instead of hiding behing "its on my website learn to read"

Mike Vandeman

May 26th 06, 01:35 AM

On Thu, 25 May 2006 15:56:37 GMT, Jason
> wrote:

>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 May 2006 11:33:00 GMT, Jason
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 24 May 2006 18:01:33 GMT, Jason
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hmmm. One of us is in great demand to present scientific papers at
>>>>>>scientific conferences. Hint: it isn't YOU.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Proof please. And a date and place for your next speaking engagement.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>See my web site (learn to read first).
>>>
>>>
>>>I've been to that thing you call a website and I see no proof your next
>>>speaking engagement or peer reviewed papers. I see your standard cut and
>>>paste out of context changing the facts to fit your views nonsense though.
>>>
>>>So I ask again lets see the peer reviewed papers and when is your next
>>>speaking engagement.
>>
>>
>> It's all on my web site. But you have to know how to read. Ask your
>> mommy to help you.
>
>
>Ok, I'll stoop to your level as that seems to be the only way to get
>through to you. NO WHERE THAT I CAN SEE ON THAT MESS YOU CALL A WEBSITE
>DOES IT LIST YOUR NEXT SPEAKING ENGAGEMENT NOR ANY OF YOUR PEER REVIEWS
>(that I could see). Mind you after 10 minutes of the same misquoted
>sudo-science I got a headache and had to stop.
>
>Now how about being a good little kook and giving us a direct link
>instead of hiding behing "its on my website learn to read"

WHY?
===
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humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

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ChainSmoker

May 26th 06, 12:41 PM

Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On Thu, 25 May 2006 15:56:37 GMT, Jason

>>
>> Ok, I'll stoop to your level as that seems to be the only way to get
>> through to you. NO WHERE THAT I CAN SEE ON THAT MESS YOU CALL A WEBSITE
>> DOES IT LIST YOUR NEXT SPEAKING ENGAGEMENT NOR ANY OF YOUR PEER REVIEWS
>> (that I could see). Mind you after 10 minutes of the same misquoted
>> sudo-science I got a headache and had to stop.
>>
>> Now how about being a good little kook and giving us a direct link
>> instead of hiding behing "its on my website learn to read"
>
> WHY?
> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Because you can't, thats why...

Jason

May 26th 06, 03:32 PM

Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>Ok, I'll stoop to your level as that seems to be the only way to get
>>through to you. NO WHERE THAT I CAN SEE ON THAT MESS YOU CALL A WEBSITE
>>DOES IT LIST YOUR NEXT SPEAKING ENGAGEMENT NOR ANY OF YOUR PEER REVIEWS
>>(that I could see). Mind you after 10 minutes of the same misquoted
>>sudo-science I got a headache and had to stop.
>>
>>Now how about being a good little kook and giving us a direct link
>>instead of hiding behing "its on my website learn to read"
>
>
> WHY?
> ===

So I can go and hear you speak, read your papers, read the peer reviews
of course. Why else would I want that information?

Mike Vandeman

May 27th 06, 03:00 AM

On Fri, 26 May 2006 14:32:03 GMT, Jason
> wrote:

>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>Ok, I'll stoop to your level as that seems to be the only way to get
>>>through to you. NO WHERE THAT I CAN SEE ON THAT MESS YOU CALL A WEBSITE
>>>DOES IT LIST YOUR NEXT SPEAKING ENGAGEMENT NOR ANY OF YOUR PEER REVIEWS
>>>(that I could see). Mind you after 10 minutes of the same misquoted
>>>sudo-science I got a headache and had to stop.
>>>
>>>Now how about being a good little kook and giving us a direct link
>>>instead of hiding behing "its on my website learn to read"
>>
>>
>> WHY?
>> ===
>
>So I can go and hear you speak, read your papers, read the peer reviews
>of course. Why else would I want that information?

You've already done that here. Tell the truth.
===
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humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
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jason

May 27th 06, 12:19 PM

Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On Fri, 26 May 2006 14:32:03 GMT, Jason
> > wrote:
>
>
>>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>
>>>>Ok, I'll stoop to your level as that seems to be the only way to get
>>>>through to you. NO WHERE THAT I CAN SEE ON THAT MESS YOU CALL A WEBSITE
>>>>DOES IT LIST YOUR NEXT SPEAKING ENGAGEMENT NOR ANY OF YOUR PEER REVIEWS
>>>>(that I could see). Mind you after 10 minutes of the same misquoted
>>>>sudo-science I got a headache and had to stop.
>>>>
>>>>Now how about being a good little kook and giving us a direct link
>>>>instead of hiding behing "its on my website learn to read"
>>>
>>>
>>>WHY?
>>>===
>>
>>So I can go and hear you speak, read your papers, read the peer reviews
>>of course. Why else would I want that information?
>
>
> You've already done that here. Tell the truth.
> ===

Liar. No where have you ever posted your paper, peer reviews or a
speaking schedule. There for you lie, there for you always lie.

Mike Vandeman

May 30th 06, 04:53 PM

On 30 May 2006 13:57:00 GMT, Chris Foster
> wrote:

>Mike Vandeman > wrote in
:
>
>> On Mon, 29 May 2006 15:02:00 GMT, Jason
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>> > You've already heard me speak here. You've read my papers. You've
>>> > read
>>>> the "peer reviews" here. What more do you need? You only want to
>>>> come to my talk to intimidate or threaten me, like all mountain
>>>> bikers. They CAN'T STAND the fact that someone actually gets away
>>>> with telling the truth about mountain biking, without getting beaten
>>>> up. ===
>>>
>>>
>>>Once again you lie. You have never posted the peer reviews. In fact
>>>when you are asked to you refuse to saying they are confidential. You
>>>really do have low self confidence dont' you.
>>>
>>>I would have thought you would have welcomed the chance to "embarass"
>>>a mountain biker but instead you choose to hide and lie. Oh well, I'm
>>>not really surprised that you take that route. Typical coward and
>>>bully responses, all talk until someone stands up to you then you run
>>>off with your tail between your legs.
>>
>> Define "peer". As far as I can see, I HAVE no peers in this field. If
>> you think otherwise, name ONE. I know you can't....
>
>
>Mike, that is SO unscientific.
>
>
>
>I would suggest that Jeffrey L. Marion of Virginia Tech University, who
>just completed the study; "Assessing and Understanding Trail Degradation:
>Results from Big South Fork National River and Recreation Area," for the
>National Park Service would most certainly be a peer

We'll see, after I get a chance to read that.
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Jason

May 30th 06, 05:05 PM

Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>
>>I would suggest that Jeffrey L. Marion of Virginia Tech University, who
>>just completed the study; "Assessing and Understanding Trail Degradation:
>>Results from Big South Fork National River and Recreation Area," for the
>>National Park Service would most certainly be a peer
>
>
> We'll see, after I get a chance to read that.
> ===

I wonder what your excuse will be this time when you disagree with what
ever findings are in the study.

Mike Vandeman

June 1st 06, 08:03 PM

On 01 Jun 2006 13:40:57 GMT, Chris Foster
> wrote:

>Mike Vandeman > wrote in
:
>
>> On Wed, 31 May 2006 11:32:19 GMT, Jason
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nope, physical attacks by mountain bikers, who always turn to violence
>>>> and lawbreaking when they don't get their way.
>>>
>>>
>>>Proof please.
>>
>> Search Google Groups for "mountain bikers violence". DUH!
>> ===
>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>
>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>
>
>
>I did the same. I came up with a few of MV opinion articles,

Right: responding to threats. DUH!

and a few
>about benefit bike rides to help end domestic violence.
>
>
>I think you need to retract your DUH comment Mike
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Jason

June 1st 06, 08:15 PM

Mike Vandeman wrote:

>>>
>>>Search Google Groups for "mountain bikers violence". DUH!
>>>===
>>>I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>>>humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>>>years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>>
>>>http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>
>>
>>
>>I did the same. I came up with a few of MV opinion articles,
>
>
> Right: responding to threats. DUH!
>

No threats anywhere that I could see mikey, well other then you over
reacting and reading things into posts that wasn't there. But that's
what disturbed people tend to do so that's not a surprise.

Mike Vandeman

June 2nd 06, 03:30 AM

On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 19:15:07 GMT, Jason
> wrote:

>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>>Search Google Groups for "mountain bikers violence". DUH!
>>>>===
>>>>I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>>>>humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>>>>years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>>>
>>>>http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I did the same. I came up with a few of MV opinion articles,
>>
>>
>> Right: responding to threats. DUH!
>>
>
>No threats anywhere that I could see mikey,

Liar.

well other then you over
>reacting and reading things into posts that wasn't there. But that's
>what disturbed people tend to do so that's not a surprise.
===
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jason

June 2nd 06, 12:36 PM

Mike Vandeman wrote:
> Liar.
>

Then prove me wrong and post them. Not just cut and paste them either
mikey I mean a link to the post that the threat is in so we can go and see.

Mike Vandeman

June 2nd 06, 07:51 PM

On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 11:36:30 GMT, jason >
wrote:

>Mike Vandeman wrote:
> > Liar.
>>
>
>
>Then prove me wrong and post them. Not just cut and paste them either
>mikey I mean a link to the post that the threat is in so we can go and see.

I don't have to prove anything. If you had any self-respect, you would
google them yourself. But mountain bikers are too LAZY to walk or
study, which is why you can only name-call.
===
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jason

June 4th 06, 09:24 PM

Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 11:36:30 GMT, jason >
> wrote:
>
>
>>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>> > Liar.
>>
>>
>>Then prove me wrong and post them. Not just cut and paste them either
>>mikey I mean a link to the post that the threat is in so we can go and see.
>
>
> I don't have to prove anything. If you had any self-respect, you would
> google them yourself. But mountain bikers are too LAZY to walk or
> study, which is why you can only name-call.

Yes you do have to prove something mikey. You're the one saying you and
your hiking friends have been threatened by mtn bikers.

I and others (I believe it was cc) have done searchs both on google and
google/groups and haven't found any mention of anything like that
happening.

This leaves me to the conclusion that once again you are lying.

jason

June 4th 06, 09:24 PM

Mike Vandeman

June 9th 06, 01:06 AM

On Sun, 04 Jun 2006 20:24:18 GMT, jason >
wrote:

>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>> On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 11:36:30 GMT, jason >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>> > Liar.
>>>
>>>
>>>Then prove me wrong and post them. Not just cut and paste them either
>>>mikey I mean a link to the post that the threat is in so we can go and see.
>>
>>
>> I don't have to prove anything. If you had any self-respect, you would
>> google them yourself. But mountain bikers are too LAZY to walk or
>> study, which is why you can only name-call.
>
>Yes you do have to prove something mikey. You're the one saying you and
>your hiking friends have been threatened by mtn bikers.
>
>I and others (I believe it was cc) have done searchs both on google and
>google/groups and haven't found any mention of anything like that
>happening.
>
>This leaves me to the conclusion that once again you are lying.

I don't lie. I don't need to, because the truth is on my side..
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande