"once again the selfishness, arrogance, and stupidity of some mt. bikers is being displayed"

[Mike Vandeman]

In my experience, it is ALL mountain bikers that are selfish, arrogant, and
stupid.

Mike


From: [name withheld to protect them from threats, harassment, and abuse by
mountain bikers]
To: "Mike Vandeman" >
Subject: Re: "Fort Ord habitat in peril from mountain bikers"
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 23:27:08 -0800

Thanks, Mike; once again the selfishness, arrogance, and stupidity of some
mt. bikers is being displayed. CB

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[Andy Chequer]

> Thanks, Mike; once again the selfishness, arrogance, and stupidity of
some
> mt. bikers is being displayed. CB

If you are going to forge your own fan mail it might help if you didn't use
your own style of prose.

Andy Chequer

[Michael Paul]

"Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
...
> In my experience, it is ALL mountain bikers that are selfish, arrogant,
and
> stupid.
>
> Mike
>
>
> From: [name withheld to protect them from threats, harassment, and abuse
by
> mountain bikers]
> To: "Mike Vandeman" >
> Subject: Re: "Fort Ord habitat in peril from mountain bikers"
> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 23:27:08 -0800
>
> Thanks, Mike; once again the selfishness, arrogance, and stupidity of
some
> mt. bikers is being displayed. CB
>
> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

probably true. but then, those same generalizations were used by Hitler
against the Jews, by many Americans against the African Americans and
countless other groups who thought, incorrectly, that an entire group of
people could be characterized so simplistically. Then again, it just shows
the shortsightedness of your attitudes and total inability to realize that
those who mountain bike are no different than those that hike, swim, run,
cook, sew, play football, or jerk off excessively every day. AS a group,
they represent an entire cross section of society and cannot in any way be
characterized by one or two words that by their use serve your myopic view
of the group in question.

[Mike Vandeman]

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 22:31:43 -0000, "Andy Chequer"
> wrote:

..> Thanks, Mike; once again the selfishness, arrogance, and stupidity of
..some
..> mt. bikers is being displayed. CB
..
..If you are going to forge your own fan mail it might help if you didn't use
..your own style of prose.

Don't assume that others are as dishonest as mountain bikers. I don't need to
forge anything. The truth is quite adequate to condemn your selfish, destructive
sport.

..Andy Chequer

===
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humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

[Mike Vandeman]

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 23:20:38 GMT, "Michael Paul" <mfpaul >
wrote:

..
.."Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
. ..
..> In my experience, it is ALL mountain bikers that are selfish, arrogant,
..and
..> stupid.
..>
..> Mike
..>
..>
..> From: [name withheld to protect them from threats, harassment, and abuse
..by
..> mountain bikers]
..> To: "Mike Vandeman" >
..> Subject: Re: "Fort Ord habitat in peril from mountain bikers"
..> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 23:27:08 -0800
..>
..> Thanks, Mike; once again the selfishness, arrogance, and stupidity of
..some
..> mt. bikers is being displayed. CB
..>
..> ===
..> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
..> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
..> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
..>
..> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
..
..probably true. but then, those same generalizations were used by Hitler
..against the Jews,

Oh, right. If Hitler said something, that vitiates those words for all time to
come. Right. Idiot.

by many Americans against the African Americans and
..countless other groups who thought, incorrectly, that an entire group of
..people could be characterized so simplistically.

I have observed THOUSANDS of mountain bikers in person and on the 'net. I have
yet to meet even ONE who is honest. That is just a fact.

Then again, it just shows
..the shortsightedness of your attitudes and total inability to realize that
..those who mountain bike are no different than those that hike, swim, run,
..cook, sew, play football, or jerk off excessively every day.

How would you know? Have you done a study? I doubt it. In fact, people who
engage in a partcular activity ARE different. People who mountain bike are just
not THE SAME AS THOSE WHO spend their time trying to save wildlife. To say that
they are is dishonest (nothing new, for mountain bikers). There is a REASON that
mountain bikers are so honest: if they had to tell the truth, they would no
longer be able to practice such a destructive sport.

AS a group,
..they represent an entire cross section of society and cannot in any way be
..characterized by one or two words that by their use serve your myopic view
..of the group in question.

I have enough data to say that you are absolutely wrong. For example, I have yet
to meet one who is honest about mountain biking. And you are no exception! You
are just as dishonest as all the rest.
===
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http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

[DDB]

I belong !!! I really truly belong!!!! I'm so happy!!

and I thought I was the only, selfish, arrogant, stupid one.

Thanks Mike




"Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
...
> In my experience, it is ALL mountain bikers that are selfish, arrogant,
and
> stupid.
>
> Mike
>
>
> From: [name withheld to protect them from threats, harassment, and abuse
by
> mountain bikers]
> To: "Mike Vandeman" >
> Subject: Re: "Fort Ord habitat in peril from mountain bikers"
> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 23:27:08 -0800
>
> Thanks, Mike; once again the selfishness, arrogance, and stupidity of
some
> mt. bikers is being displayed. CB
>
> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

[Michael Paul]

"Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 23:20:38 GMT, "Michael Paul" <mfpaul
>
> wrote:
>

> I have enough data to say that you are absolutely wrong. For example, I
have yet
> to meet one who is honest about mountain biking. And you are no exception!
You
> are just as dishonest as all the rest.

that's not data, that's simply your incorrect impression and opinion.

show actual data. give me facts. show me studies. you can't because they
don't exist and even if they did exist they could so easily be proven wrong.
you should know that. you had to actually perform primary reserach for your
dissertation didn't you? You know, something that you published to peers
and those peers actually reviewed you on your methods?

if you tried to publish any kind of study supporting your deranged ideas
about bikers you'd be laughed out of any organization that chooses to
actually acknowledge your "credentials" because you continously violate so
many of the basic principles of testing.

Michael

[Trey C.]

Mike Vandeman wrote:
> In my experience, it is ALL mountain bikers that are selfish, arrogant, and
> stupid.
>
> Mike
>
>
> From: [name withheld to protect them from threats, harassment, and abuse by
> mountain bikers]
> To: "Mike Vandeman" >
> Subject: Re: "Fort Ord habitat in peril from mountain bikers"
> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 23:27:08 -0800
>
> Thanks, Mike; once again the selfishness, arrogance, and stupidity of some
> mt. bikers is being displayed. CB
>

If you say "CandyMan" five times, will Mike Vandeman appear? Scary
thought...

T.C.

[Redneck_Dave]

People who ride bikes should be

1. Licensed
2. Registered
3. Insured

They ride on the road and can cause accidents. Can ANYONE tell me a
good reason why they shouldn't be treated like everyone else???

Dave

[Critic]

"Redneck_Dave" > wrote in message
om...
> People who ride bikes should be
>
> 1. Licensed
> 2. Registered
> 3. Insured
>
> They ride on the road and can cause accidents. Can ANYONE tell me a
> good reason why they shouldn't be treated like everyone else???
>
> Dave

White-trash fat-assed mullet-wearing pickup-driving hicks are by far a
greater road hazard than any cyclist.

[Michael Paul]

"Michael Paul" <mfpaul > wrote in message
...
>
> "Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 23:20:38 GMT, "Michael Paul" <mfpaul
> >
> > wrote:
> >
>
> > I have enough data to say that you are absolutely wrong. For example, I
> have yet
> > to meet one who is honest about mountain biking. And you are no
exception!
> You
> > are just as dishonest as all the rest.
>
> that's not data, that's simply your incorrect impression and opinion.
>
> show actual data. give me facts. show me studies. you can't because
they
> don't exist and even if they did exist they could so easily be proven
wrong.
> you should know that. you had to actually perform primary reserach for
your
> dissertation didn't you? You know, something that you published to peers
> and those peers actually reviewed you on your methods?
>
> if you tried to publish any kind of study supporting your deranged ideas
> about bikers you'd be laughed out of any organization that chooses to
> actually acknowledge your "credentials" because you continously violate so
> many of the basic principles of testing.
>
> Michael
>
>
Hey Dr. Dipsh!t,

I came across this quote you allegedly made in an article. perhaps you
should think about it next time you start spewing facts about how your
observations constitute scientific fact.

Having earned a Ph.D., I know that doing valid research is expensive and
difficult. However, it is the only way we know of to arrive at reliable
knowledge.

Michael

[Kevin]

"Trey C." > wrote in message >...
> Mike Vandeman wrote:
> > In my experience, it is ALL mountain bikers that are selfish, arrogant, and
> > stupid.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > From: [name withheld to protect them from threats, harassment, and abuse by
> > mountain bikers]
> > To: "Mike Vandeman" >
> > Subject: Re: "Fort Ord habitat in peril from mountain bikers"
> > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 23:27:08 -0800
> >
> > Thanks, Mike; once again the selfishness, arrogance, and stupidity of some
> > mt. bikers is being displayed. CB
> >
>
> If you say "CandyMan" five times, will Mike Vandeman appear? Scary
> thought...
>
> T.C.


It's truly amazing that Mike V. can type as much as he does here with
his left hand only, being that his right hand is constantly stroking
his dinky.

[Mike Vandeman]

On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 07:04:54 GMT, "Michael Paul" <mfpaul >
wrote:

..
.."Michael Paul" <mfpaul > wrote in message
.. .
..>
..> "Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
..> ...
..> > On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 23:20:38 GMT, "Michael Paul" <mfpaul
..> >
..> > wrote:
..> >
..>
..> > I have enough data to say that you are absolutely wrong. For example, I
..> have yet
..> > to meet one who is honest about mountain biking. And you are no
..exception!
..> You
..> > are just as dishonest as all the rest.
..>
..> that's not data, that's simply your incorrect impression and opinion.
..>
..> show actual data. give me facts. show me studies. you can't because
..they
..> don't exist and even if they did exist they could so easily be proven
..wrong.
..> you should know that. you had to actually perform primary reserach for
..your
..> dissertation didn't you? You know, something that you published to peers
..> and those peers actually reviewed you on your methods?
..>
..> if you tried to publish any kind of study supporting your deranged ideas
..> about bikers you'd be laughed out of any organization that chooses to
..> actually acknowledge your "credentials" because you continously violate so
..> many of the basic principles of testing.
..>
..> Michael
..>
..>
..Hey Dr. Dipsh!t,
..
..I came across this quote you allegedly made in an article. perhaps you
..should think about it next time you start spewing facts about how your
..observations constitute scientific fact.
..
..Having earned a Ph.D., I know that doing valid research is expensive and
..difficult. However, it is the only way we know of to arrive at reliable
..knowledge.

Reliable knowledge starts with HONESTY, something mountain bikers have NONE of.
You guys apparently think you can't defend your selfish, destructive sport
unless you LIE. I have demonstrated that over & over.

..Michael

===
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humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

[Mike Vandeman]

On 25 Jan 2004 20:35:47 -0800, (Redneck_Dave) wrote:

..People who ride bikes should be
..
..1. Licensed
..2. Registered
..3. Insured
..
..They ride on the road and can cause accidents. Can ANYONE tell me a
..good reason why they shouldn't be treated like everyone else???

Good question.

..Dave

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humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

[Michael Paul]

>
> Reliable knowledge starts with HONESTY, something mountain bikers have
NONE of.
> You guys apparently think you can't defend your selfish, destructive sport
> unless you LIE. I have demonstrated that over & over.
>

the number of times you use circular logic to defend your position is simply
amazing. I have no idea how you made it through high school, let alone
obtained a PhD with such poor logic skills. The liar liar pants on fire
defense stopped working when most people turned about 9 but it seems to be
one you have embraced. Excellent work Doctor

[Mike Vandeman]

On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 16:03:57 GMT, "Michael Paul" <mfpaul >
wrote:

..
..>
..> Reliable knowledge starts with HONESTY, something mountain bikers have
..NONE of.
..> You guys apparently think you can't defend your selfish, destructive sport
..> unless you LIE. I have demonstrated that over & over.
..>
..
..the number of times you use circular logic to defend your position is simply
..amazing. I have no idea how you made it through high school, let alone
..obtained a PhD with such poor logic skills. The liar liar pants on fire
..defense stopped working when most people turned about 9 but it seems to be
..one you have embraced. Excellent work Doctor

I just tell the truth -- something that drives mountain bikers crazy.
===
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humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

[Brett Jaffee]

Mike Vandeman > wrote in
:

> I just tell the truth -- something that drives mountain bikers crazy.
> ===

Ah yes...like when you claimed horses had more of a right to be on trails
on trails than bikes because they were native to North America...until some
pointed out to you that horses are in fact, not native to North America.
At which point, you tried to cover your ass by saying you weren't talking
about modern horses. Seems like a lie to me, unless you were trying to
imply that it's okay for prehistoric horses to be on the trails (which
would be assinine, even for you).

[Jason]

"Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 16:03:57 GMT, "Michael Paul" <mfpaul
>
> wrote:
>
> .
> .>
> .> Reliable knowledge starts with HONESTY, something mountain bikers have
> .NONE of.
> .> You guys apparently think you can't defend your selfish, destructive
sport
> .> unless you LIE. I have demonstrated that over & over.
> .>
> .
> .the number of times you use circular logic to defend your position is
simply
> .amazing. I have no idea how you made it through high school, let alone
> .obtained a PhD with such poor logic skills. The liar liar pants on fire
> .defense stopped working when most people turned about 9 but it seems to
be
> .one you have embraced. Excellent work Doctor
>
> I just tell the truth -- something that drives mountain bikers crazy.
> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

No you LIE, you say the Candyman Sting does not exist, but it does. Proof
you lie, as you are lying right now DUH!

[Andy Chequer]

"Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 22:31:43 -0000, "Andy Chequer"
> > wrote:
>
> .> Thanks, Mike; once again the selfishness, arrogance, and stupidity of
> .some
> .> mt. bikers is being displayed. CB
> .
> .If you are going to forge your own fan mail it might help if you didn't
use
> .your own style of prose.
>
> Don't assume that others are as dishonest as mountain bikers. I don't need
to
> forge anything. The truth is quite adequate to condemn your selfish,
destructive
> sport.

No denials then............thanks for providing a sample for comparison!

Andy Chequer

[Jeff Strickland]

"Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
...
> In my experience, it is ALL mountain bikers that are selfish, arrogant,
and
> stupid.
>
> Mike
>
>
In MY experience, it is you that is selfish, arrogant, stupid. But, hey,
that's just me.

[Mike Vandeman]

On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 07:51:45 -0600, "Jason" > wrote:

..
.."Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
. ..
..> On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 16:03:57 GMT, "Michael Paul" <mfpaul
>
..> wrote:
..>
..> .
..> .>
..> .> Reliable knowledge starts with HONESTY, something mountain bikers have
..> .NONE of.
..> .> You guys apparently think you can't defend your selfish, destructive
..sport
..> .> unless you LIE. I have demonstrated that over & over.
..> .>
..> .
..> .the number of times you use circular logic to defend your position is
..simply
..> .amazing. I have no idea how you made it through high school, let alone
..> .obtained a PhD with such poor logic skills. The liar liar pants on fire
..> .defense stopped working when most people turned about 9 but it seems to
..be
..> .one you have embraced. Excellent work Doctor
..>
..> I just tell the truth -- something that drives mountain bikers crazy.
..> ===
..> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
..> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
..> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
..>
..> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
..
..No you LIE, you say the Candyman Sting does not exist, but it does. Proof
..you lie, as you are lying right now DUH!

You took that out of context. I was referring to the involvement if someone
named "Mike Vandeman", which was a pure fabrication by a mountain biker.
===
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humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

[Just zis Guy, you know?]

On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:10:04 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
> wrote:

>In MY experience, it is you that is selfish, arrogant, stupid. But, hey,
>that's just me.

Well, not *just* you. Everybody apart from Mike's mother probably
thinks that about him.

Guy
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