What A F***ing Mess!

[B. Lafferty]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jun06/jun29news

[Crescentius Vespasianus]

> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jun06/jun29news
>


This is the end, beautiful friend
This is the end, my only friend
The end of our elaborate plans
The end of ev'rything that stands
The end

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Crescentius Vespasianus wrote:
> > http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jun06/jun29news
> >
>
>
> This is the end, beautiful friend
> This is the end, my only friend
> The end of our elaborate plans
> The end of ev'rything that stands
> The end

pro cycling has made itself into a ridiculous circus of accusations,
denials, admissions and circumstances. I would vote to disolve the
sport, because I don't like being associated with those clowns when I
ride.

[RicodJour]

wrote:
> Crescentius Vespasianus wrote:
> > > http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jun06/jun29news
> > >
> >
> >
> > This is the end, beautiful friend
> > This is the end, my only friend
> > The end of our elaborate plans
> > The end of ev'rything that stands
> > The end
>
> pro cycling has made itself into a ridiculous circus of accusations,
> denials, admissions and circumstances. I would vote to disolve the
> sport, because I don't like being associated with those clowns when I
> ride.

I'm sure everyone mistakes you for Richard Virenque when you go
riding...so just don't go riding in Europe and you're safe.

R

[Callistus Valerius]

> > This is the end, beautiful friend
> > This is the end, my only friend
> > The end of our elaborate plans
> > The end of ev'rything that stands
> > The end
>
> pro cycling has made itself into a ridiculous circus of accusations,
> denials, admissions and circumstances. I would vote to disolve the
> sport, because I don't like being associated with those clowns when I
> ride.
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Yes, I agree. I only wear solid color jerseys. I'm ashamed of them
too. If someone says, "do you race?", I answer, "no, no, I'm only a
commuter." It's a damn shame, that we must hide, talk about cycling in
whispers or hand signals, it's really sad.

[RonSonic]

On 28 Jun 2006 16:26:56 -0700, wrote:

>
>Crescentius Vespasianus wrote:
>> > http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jun06/jun29news
>> >
>>
>>
>> This is the end, beautiful friend
>> This is the end, my only friend
>> The end of our elaborate plans
>> The end of ev'rything that stands
>> The end
>
>pro cycling has made itself into a ridiculous circus of accusations,
>denials, admissions and circumstances. I would vote to disolve the
>sport, because I don't like being associated with those clowns when I
>ride.

Yeah, my nephew threw his baseball bat into the shredder when he heard about
Mark McGwire.

Ron

[Donald Munro]

Callistus Valerius wrote:
> Yes, I agree. I only wear solid color jerseys. I'm ashamed of them
> too. If someone says, "do you race?", I answer, "no, no, I'm only a
> commuter." It's a damn shame, that we must hide, talk about cycling in
> whispers or hand signals, it's really sad.

Dumbass,
You should be proud. In modern western society drug usage is something to
be proud of and should be flaunted. After all how many times do you hear
people boasting about how ****ed they were after a night on the town or
how their viagra pill kept them up all night.

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B. Lafferty wrote:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jun06/jun29news

This is what you wanted, Brian. Remember? "Sport goes away and comes
back clean"?
--D-y

[B. Lafferty]

> wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> B. Lafferty wrote:
>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jun06/jun29news
>
> This is what you wanted, Brian. Remember? "Sport goes away and comes
> back clean"?
> --D-y
>

Wrong. The sport has not "gone away" as in being suspended for a period of
time and then begun again.

[Alex Rodriguez]

You ain't kidding. Let's hope this doesn't interfere with the racing.
------------
Alex

[Alex Rodriguez]

In article >,
says...

> Yes, I agree. I only wear solid color jerseys. I'm ashamed of them
>too. If someone says, "do you race?", I answer, "no, no, I'm only a
>commuter." It's a damn shame, that we must hide, talk about cycling in
>whispers or hand signals, it's really sad.

Do you do that because you have a guilty conscience? I have no problem letting
people know I race, or more accurately attempt to race.
--------------
Alex

[B. Lafferty]

"Alex Rodriguez" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> says...
>
>> Yes, I agree. I only wear solid color jerseys. I'm ashamed of them
>>too. If someone says, "do you race?", I answer, "no, no, I'm only a
>>commuter." It's a damn shame, that we must hide, talk about cycling in
>>whispers or hand signals, it's really sad.
>
> Do you do that because you have a guilty conscience? I have no problem
> letting
> people know I race, or more accurately attempt to race.
> --------------
> Alex

I have a collection of drug busted team jerseys. Looks like I'm going to
need Disco and USPS jerseys as well.

[Luke]

In article >, B.
Lafferty > wrote:

> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jun06/jun29news
>

I doubt anyone will disagree with you this time.

Luke

[Luke]

In article >, Alex Rodriguez
> wrote:

> You ain't kidding. Let's hope this doesn't interfere with the racing.
> ------------
> Alex
>

LOL!

[Donald Munro]

B. Lafferty wrote:
> I have a collection of drug busted team jerseys. Looks like I'm going to
> need Disco and USPS jerseys as well.

Do you have a favorite combo ?

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B. Lafferty wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> >
> > B. Lafferty wrote:
> >> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jun06/jun29news
> >
> > This is what you wanted, Brian. Remember? "Sport goes away and comes
> > back clean"?
> > --D-y
> >
>
> Wrong. The sport has not "gone away" as in being suspended for a period of
> time and then begun again.

"This is the beginning of what you wanted" (sponsors, bye bye?).

No, I don't think the sport is going away. Or going to ever get
"clean", either.

Tell us about the sequestering (jail) again. How many weeks/months
before events, or the start of the season? --D-y

[B. Lafferty]

> wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> B. Lafferty wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> ups.com...
>> >
>> > B. Lafferty wrote:
>> >> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jun06/jun29news
>> >
>> > This is what you wanted, Brian. Remember? "Sport goes away and comes
>> > back clean"?
>> > --D-y
>> >
>>
>> Wrong. The sport has not "gone away" as in being suspended for a period
>> of
>> time and then begun again.
>
> "This is the beginning of what you wanted" (sponsors, bye bye?).

Show me where I ever wrote that this was what I "wanted." Hint--you can't
because I didn't.
>
> No, I don't think the sport is going away. Or going to ever get
> "clean", either.
>
> Tell us about the sequestering (jail) again. How many weeks/months
> before events, or the start of the season? --D-y

Jail is when one is held against ones will. Sequestering under these
circumstances would be voluntary, if you want to make a living at the sport.
You tell me how long it would be necessary given the types of doping going
on.

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B. Lafferty wrote:
> Jail is when one is held against ones will. Sequestering under these
> circumstances would be voluntary, if you want to make a living at the sport.

That's not voluntary.

> You tell me how long it would be necessary given the types of doping going
> on.

Did you make the effort to meet Lance yet? --D-y

[Bill C]

wrote:
> B. Lafferty wrote:
> > Jail is when one is held against ones will. Sequestering under these
> > circumstances would be voluntary, if you want to make a living at the sport.
>
> That's not voluntary.
It might not be exactly extortion, but it would be forcing them to
give up the possibility of monetary gain under the cover of official
power.

Extortion (Black's Law Dictionary - 6th Edition) is defined as:
"The obtaining of property from another induced by wrongful use of
actual or threatened force, violence, or fear, or under color of
official right."

I'm not a lawyer, but it still smells to me.

Bill C

[B. Lafferty]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> B. Lafferty wrote:
>> Jail is when one is held against ones will. Sequestering under these
>> circumstances would be voluntary, if you want to make a living at the
>> sport.
>
> That's not voluntary.

It most certainly is. No one is forcing any of them to be professional
cyclists. It's a choice.

>
>> You tell me how long it would be necessary given the types of doping
>> going
>> on.
>
> Did you make the effort to meet Lance yet? --D-y

Why do you ask?

[B. Lafferty]

"Bill C" > wrote in message
ps.com...
>
> wrote:
>> B. Lafferty wrote:
>> > Jail is when one is held against ones will. Sequestering under these
>> > circumstances would be voluntary, if you want to make a living at the
>> > sport.
>>
>> That's not voluntary.
> It might not be exactly extortion, but it would be forcing them to
> give up the possibility of monetary gain under the cover of official
> power.
>
> Extortion (Black's Law Dictionary - 6th Edition) is defined as:
> "The obtaining of property from another induced by wrongful use of
> actual or threatened force, violence, or fear, or under color of
> official right."

Focus on the word "wrongful." Difficult choices aren't always produced by
wrongful means. There's also no obtaining of property from the cyclists.

>
> I'm not a lawyer, but it still smells to me.
>
> Bill C
>

[Michael Press]

In article
>,
"B. Lafferty" > wrote:

> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >
> > B. Lafferty wrote:
> >> Jail is when one is held against ones will. Sequestering under these
> >> circumstances would be voluntary, if you want to make a living at the
> >> sport.
> >
> > That's not voluntary.
>
> It most certainly is. No one is forcing any of them to be professional
> cyclists. It's a choice.

You could quote Anatole France and mean it literally.

--
Michael Press

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Michael Press wrote:
> "B. Lafferty" > wrote:
> > > wrote in message
> > > B. Lafferty wrote:
> > >> Jail is when one is held against ones will. Sequestering under these
> > >> circumstances would be voluntary, if you want to make a living at the
> > >> sport.
> > >
> > > That's not voluntary.
> >
> > It most certainly is. No one is forcing any of them to be professional
> > cyclists. It's a choice.
>
> You could quote Anatole France and mean it literally.

Hell, even the war crimes tribunal had trouble keeping a full
account of Slobodan Milosevic's meds. You expect some
namby-pamby sequestration to render the sport clean enough
for Lafferty? No way. I hear there are some spots opening
up at Guantanamo. Have Dick Pound declare the riders
enemy combatants, ship them to Camp X-Ray, and in July,
have them do roller races with the Galibier CGI'ed into the
background.

If we can fake a moon landing, we can fake the Tour de
France, surely. Faking it is the only way to insure a real,
fair, sporting competition.

-Ben
Philip K. Dick would approve.

[RicodJour]

B. Lafferty wrote:
>
> I have a collection of drug busted team jerseys. Looks like I'm going to
> need Disco and USPS jerseys as well.

If you had said you had a collection of large busted jerseys, that
would be more believable.

R

[Luke]

In article . com>,
"> wrote:

> Michael Press wrote:
> > "B. Lafferty" > wrote:
> > > > wrote in message
> > > > B. Lafferty wrote:
> > > >> Jail is when one is held against ones will. Sequestering under these
> > > >> circumstances would be voluntary, if you want to make a living at the
> > > >> sport.
> > > >
> > > > That's not voluntary.
> > >
> > > It most certainly is. No one is forcing any of them to be professional
> > > cyclists. It's a choice.
> >
> > You could quote Anatole France and mean it literally.
>
> Hell, even the war crimes tribunal had trouble keeping a full
> account of Slobodan Milosevic's meds. You expect some
> namby-pamby sequestration to render the sport clean enough
> for Lafferty? No way. I hear there are some spots opening
> up at Guantanamo.

<snip>

Gitmo is a no go. It has a tendency to encourage asymmetrical
competition.

Luke

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B. Lafferty wrote:
> No one is forcing any of them to be professional
> cyclists. It's a choice.

The being part is a choice. The rest of it is arm up behind the back.

> > Did you make the effort to meet Lance yet?

> Why do you ask?

Just a guess as to which came first, chicken or egg. Speaking
metaphorically, of course. Was it the celebration at Worlds, as has
been posited here? <g> --D-y

[B. Lafferty]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> B. Lafferty wrote:
>> No one is forcing any of them to be professional
>> cyclists. It's a choice.
>
> The being part is a choice. The rest of it is arm up behind the back.
>
>> > Did you make the effort to meet Lance yet?
>
>> Why do you ask?
>
> Just a guess as to which came first, chicken or egg. Speaking
> metaphorically, of course. Was it the celebration at Worlds, as has
> been posited here? <g> --D-y
>

I haven't the faintest idea what you're writing about. And, I really don't
care.

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B. Lafferty wrote:

> I haven't the faintest idea what you're writing about. And, I really don't
> care.

And that's why you took the time out of this busy, busy day to respond
yet again. 3x in just this one thread. Is the probity you suggested for
the imaginary Lance-as-your-client? --D-y

[B. Lafferty]

> wrote in message
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>
> B. Lafferty wrote:
>
>> I haven't the faintest idea what you're writing about. And, I really
>> don't
>> care.
>
> And that's why you took the time out of this busy, busy day to respond
> yet again. 3x in just this one thread. Is the probity you suggested for
> the imaginary Lance-as-your-client? --D-y
>
LOL!

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B. Lafferty wrote:
> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >
> > B. Lafferty wrote:
> >
> >> I haven't the faintest idea what you're writing about. And, I really
> >> don't
> >> care.
> >
> > And that's why you took the time out of this busy, busy day to respond
> > yet again. 3x in just this one thread. Is the probity you suggested for
> > the imaginary Lance-as-your-client? --D-y
> >
> LOL!

That's six (6). I went back and counted. Hug? --D-y

[Bill C]

B. Lafferty wrote:
>
> Focus on the word "wrongful." Difficult choices aren't always produced by
> wrongful means. There's also no obtaining of property from the cyclists.

I am and find that seriously penalizing people monetarily,
professionally, and personally based on allegations without giving them
a chance to defend themselves in a meaningful way is "wrongful".
It isn't only "wrongful" when you disagree with it. The end does NOT
justify the means when it means jettisoning a couple of centuries of
the Western development of the concept of "Justice". Not here at the
Tour. Not at Guantanamo, and not in the Patriot Act.
BS is BS! At least Bush has the claim that large numbers of lives
depend on his trashing justice. What's the rationale for tossing it out
the window here? Everyone's insulted by cheating at a game?
Bill C

[Sandy]

Bill C a écrit :
> B. Lafferty wrote:
>
>> Focus on the word "wrongful." Difficult choices aren't always produced by
>> wrongful means. There's also no obtaining of property from the cyclists.
>>
>
> I am and find that seriously penalizing people monetarily,
> professionally, and personally based on allegations without giving them
> a chance to defend themselves in a meaningful way is "wrongful".
> It isn't only "wrongful" when you disagree with it. The end does NOT
> justify the means when it means jettisoning a couple of centuries of
> the Western development of the concept of "Justice". Not here at the
> Tour. Not at Guantanamo, and not in the Patriot Act.
> BS is BS! At least Bush has the claim that large numbers of lives
> depend on his trashing justice. What's the rationale for tossing it out
> the window here? Everyone's insulted by cheating at a game?
> Bill C
>
>
Unfortunately, this aspect of labor law - primarily European - allows
the interruption of employment, the continuation of a career, with only
monetary damages if disproven. It would certainly cause very tangible
losses in reputation - losses by absence from key events - that are not
possible to compensate.

Germany 1 - Argentina 1 - Germany wins in shootout 4-2. Thought you'd
be interested.

[Bill C]

Sandy wrote:
> Bill C a écrit :
> > B. Lafferty wrote:
> >
> >> Focus on the word "wrongful." Difficult choices aren't always produced by
> >> wrongful means. There's also no obtaining of property from the cyclists.
> >>
> >
> > I am and find that seriously penalizing people monetarily,
> > professionally, and personally based on allegations without giving them
> > a chance to defend themselves in a meaningful way is "wrongful".
> > It isn't only "wrongful" when you disagree with it. The end does NOT
> > justify the means when it means jettisoning a couple of centuries of
> > the Western development of the concept of "Justice". Not here at the
> > Tour. Not at Guantanamo, and not in the Patriot Act.
> > BS is BS! At least Bush has the claim that large numbers of lives
> > depend on his trashing justice. What's the rationale for tossing it out
> > the window here? Everyone's insulted by cheating at a game?
> > Bill C
> >
> >
> Unfortunately, this aspect of labor law - primarily European - allows
> the interruption of employment, the continuation of a career, with only
> monetary damages if disproven. It would certainly cause very tangible
> losses in reputation - losses by absence from key events - that are not
> possible to compensate.
>
> Germany 1 - Argentina 1 - Germany wins in shootout 4-2. Thought you'd
> be interested.
As you say, there really is no way to get your reputation back even if
totally cleared. Plenty of people will always believe that "If you were
investigated, you must have been doing something wrong." no matter
what.
Thanks, we're actually getting it on television for once. I really
didn't think they could do it, especially when they went behind.
We were in Augsburg in '86 and they basically shut down the city
center for the final. We watched it on a huge screen TV they set up
outside of a bar, with I don't know how many thousands of others in an
awesome street party. The only thing better would've been a win, but
that was an incredible Argentine team.
Bill C