which bikes?

[MyPostingID]

is there a list somewhere of which riders in Le Tour de France, ride
which bikes?
thank you.

[Diablo Scott]

MyPostingID wrote:
> is there a list somewhere of which riders in Le Tour de France, ride
> which bikes?
> thank you.
>


This site lists all the ProTour teams and has links to the websites for
each team - you can find out most anything about any team from there.

http://www.uciprotour.com/templates/UCI/UCI2/layout.asp?MenuId=MTY5Ng

[Simon Brooke]

in message . com>,
MyPostingID ') wrote:

> is there a list somewhere of which riders in Le Tour de France, ride
> which bikes?

Wouldn't take long to create one.

AG2R ride BTwin/Campagnolo
(up-market brand of French sports supermarket chain Decathlon)
31 Christophe Moreau (FRANCE)
32 José Luis Arrieta (ESP)
33 Mikel Astarloza (ESP)
34 Sylvain Calzati (FRA)
35 Cyril Dessel (FRA)
36 Samuel Dumoulin (FRA)
37 Simon Gerrans (AUS)
38 Stephane Goubert (FRA)

Agritubel are on MBK/Shimano
(French middle of the road brand)
191 Juan Miguel Mercado (ESP)
192 Manuel Calvente (ESP)
193 Cedric Coutouly (FRA)
194 Moisés Dueñas (ESP)
195 Eduardo Gonzalo Ramirez (ESP)
196 Christophe Laurent (FRA)
197 José Alberto Martinez (ESP)

Bouygues are on Time/Campagnolo
(Stylish French bicycle maker, better known for pedals)
171 Thomas Voeckler (FRA)
172 Walter Bénéteau (FRA)
173 Laurent Brochard (FRA)
174 Pierrick Fedrigo (FRA)
175 Anthony Geslin (FRA)
176 Laurent Lefevre (FRA)
177 Jerome Pineau (FRA)
178 Didier Rous (FRA)
179 Mathieu Sprick (FRA)

CA are on Look/Shimano
(Stylish French bicycle maker, better known for pedals)
111 Pietro Caucchioli (ITA)
112 Alexandre Botcharov (RUS)
113 Anthony Charteau (FRA)
114 Julian Dean (NZL)
115 Jimmy Engoulvent (FRA)
116 Patrice Halgand (FRA)
117 Sebastien Hinault (FRA)
118 Thor Hushovd (NOR)
119 Christophe Le Mevel (FRA)

Cofidis are on Willier/Campagnolo
(Who?)
131 David Moncoutié (FRA)
132 Stephane Augé (FRA)
133 Jimmy Casper (FRA)
134 Sylvain Chavanel (FRA)
135 Arnaud Coyot (FRA)
136 Christian Moreni (ITA)
137 Ivan Parra (COL)
138 Rik Verbrugghe (BEL)
139 Bradley Wiggins (GBR)

CSC ride Cervelo/Shimano
(Canadian road-bike brand)
11 Bobby Julich (USA)
12 Giovanni Lombardi (ITA)
13 Stuart O'Grady (AUS)
14 Carlos Sastre (ESP)
15 Frank Schleck (LUX)
16 Christian Vandevelde (USA)
17 Jens Voigt (GER)
18 David Zabriskie (USA)

Davitamon Lotto are on Ridley/Campagnolo
(Upmarket Belgian(?) marque)
61 Cadel Evans (AUS)
62 Mario Aerts (BEL)
63 Christophe Brandt (BEL)
64 Chris Horner (USA)
65 Robbie McEwen (AUS)
67 Gert Steegmans (BEL)
68 Wim Vansevenant (BEL)
69 Johan Van Summeren (BEL)

Disco ride Trek/Shimano
(Middle of the road US brand, now mainly made in the far east)
1 Jose Azevedo (POR)
2 Vjatceslav Ekimov (RUS)
3 George Hincapie (USA)
4 Egoi Martinez (ESP)
5 Benjamin Noval (ESP)
6 Pavel Padrnos (CZE)
7 Yaroslav Popovych (UKR)
8 Jose Luis Rubiera (ESP)
9 Paolo Savoldelli (ITA)

Euskaltel-Euskadi are on Orbea/Shimano
(Major Spanish bicycle maker, also strong in mountain bikes)
121 Iban Mayo (ESP)
122 Iker Camano Ortuzar (ESP)
123 Unai Etxebarria (VEN)
124 Aitor Hernandez (ESP)
125 Inaki Isasi (ESP)
126 Inigo Landaluze (ESP)
127 David Lopez Garcia (ESP)
128 Gorka Verdugo (ESP)
129 Haimar Zubeldia (ESP)

FdJ are on Lapierre/Shimano
(who?)
151 Sandy Casar (FRA)
152 Carlos Da Cruz (FRA)
153 Bernhard Eisel (AUT)
154 Philippe Gilbert (BEL)
155 Sebastien Joly (FRA)
156 Gustav Erik Larsson (SWE)
157 Thomas Lovkvist (SWE)
158 Christophe Mengin (FRA)
159 Benoit Vaugrenard (FRA)

Gerolsteiner ride Specialized/Shimano
(Middle of the road US brand, mainly made in the far east)
41 Levi Leipheimer (USA)
42 Marcus Fothen (GER)
43 David Kopp (GER)
44 Sebastian Lang (GER)
45 Ronny Scholz (GER)
46 Georg Totschnig (AUT)
47 Fabian Wegmann (GER)
48 Peter Wrolich (AUT)
49 Beat Zberg (SUI)

Ibanesto (Caisse d'Epargne) are on Pinarello/Campagnolo
(The other Italian road race marque)
92 David Arroyo (ESP)
93 Florent Brard (FRA)
94 Isaac Galvez (ESP)
95 Jose-Vicente Garcia Acosta (ESP)
96 Vladimir Karpets (RUS)
97 Oscar Pereiro (ESP)
98 Nicolas Portal (FRA)
99 Xavier Zandio (ESP)

Lampre are on Cannondale/Campagnolo
(US pioneers of the lightweight aluminium frame, still made in the US)
81 Damiano Cunego (ITA)
82 Alessandro Ballan (ITA)
83 Daniele Bennati (ITA)
84 Marzio Bruseghin (ITA)
85 Salvatore Commesso (ITA)
86 Daniele Righi (ITA)
87 Paolo Tiralongo (ITA)
88 Tadej Valjavec (SLO)
89 Francisco Vila Erandonea (ESP)

Leaky Gas are on Bianchi/Campagnolo
(The also-ran among the classic Italian marques)
162 Michael Albasini (SUI)
163 Magnus Backstedt (SWE)
164 Patrick Calcagni (SUI)
165 Kjell Carlstrom (FIN)
166 Stefano Garzelli (ITA)
167 Matej Mugerli (SLO)
168 Luca Paolini (ITA)
169 Manuel Quinziato (ITA)

Milram are on Colnago/Shimano (surely that's an art crime?)
(The definitive road bike, crafted in Italy)
181 Erik Zabel (GER)
182 Mirko Celestino (ITA)
183 Ralf Grabsch (GER)
184 Andriy Grivko (UKR)
185 Maxim Iglinskiy (KAZ)
186 Christian Knees (GER)
188 Björn Schröder (GER)
189 Marco Velo (ITA)

Phonac ride BMC/Campagnolo
(Swiss road race marque)
71 Floyd Landis (USA)
72 Bert Grabsch (GER)
73 Robert Hunter (RSA)
74 Nicolas Jalabert (FRA)
75 Miguel Angel Martin Perdiguero (ESP)
76 Axel Merckx (BEL)
(Axel Merckx was on one of his dad's bikes last
year but I don't think he is this year)
77 Koos Moerenhout (NED)
78 Alexandre Moos (SUI)
79 Victor Hugo Pena Grisales (COL)

Quickstep are on Time/Campagnolo
(Stylish French bicycle maker, better known for pedals)
101 Tom Boonen (BEL)
102 Wilfried Cretskens (BEL)
103 Steven De Jongh (NED)
104 Juan Manuel Garate (ESP)
105 Filippo Pozzato (ITA)
106 Josè Rujano Guillen (VEN)
107 Bram Tankink (NED)
108 Matteo Tosatto (ITA)
109 Cedric Vasseur (FRA)

Rabobank are on Colnago/Shimano (surely that's heretical?)
(The definitive road bike, crafted in Italy)
51 Denis Menchov (RUS)
52 Michael Boogerd (NED)
53 Bram De Groot (NED)
55 Juan Antonio Flecha (ESP)
56 Oscar Freire Gomez (ESP)
57 Joost Posthuma (NED)
58 Michael Rasmussen (DEN)
59 Pieter Weening (NED)

SDV are on Scott/Campagnolo
(Middle of the road US brand, now manufactured in the far east)
141 Gilberto Simoni (ITA)
142 David Canada (ESP)
143 David De la Fuente (ESP)
144 Jose Angel Gomez Marchante (ESP)
145 Ruben Lobato (ESP)
146 David Millar (GBR)
147 Riccardo Ricco (ITA)
148 Christophe Rinero (FRA)
149 Francisco Jose Ventoso (ESP)

TMo ride Giant/Shimano
(The worlds biggest bicycle maker, probably bigger than all the others
put together)
21 Andreas Klöden (GER)
22 Giuseppe Guerini (ITA)
23 Sergej Honchar (UKR)
24 Matthias Kessler (GER)
25 Eddy Mazzoleni (ITA)
26 Michael Rogers (AUS)
27 Patrik Sinkewitz (GER)

The vast majority of those bikes are now carbon, but I think the Lampre
Cannondales are the carbon/aluminium Six13 frameset, and at least some
of the Leaky Bianchis are aluminium (Backstead's is, for certain).

More interesting would be a breakdown of the wheels being used, which I
haven't yet seen.

However, having said all that, remember most teams don't really choose
their bikes. For most of these teams, the frame manufacturer is a
substantial sponsor - so the teams get the bikes the sponsor makes,
although there's probably a lot of development feedback from the team to
the manufacturer. Also, I suspect few of these teams pay for their
groupsets - not full price, anyway. Again, they use what the sponsor
supplies. It's still blasphemy to put nasty cheap Japanese junk on a
Colnago.

I'm /really/ surprised that SRAM haven't got their new groupset onto at
leat one of the teams in this year's Tour. Several of the teams have
evaluated the groupset, for certain.

--
(Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

;; Perl ... is the Brittney Spears of programming - easily accessible
;; but, in the final analysis, empty of any significant thought
;; Frank Adrian on Slashdot, 21st July 2003

[Brian Phillips]

Lampre is on Wilier bikes this year. The current issue of Cycle Sport has an
article w/photos of all the team bikes. The Bianchis of LiquiGas are
aluminum, with some having carbon seat stays.


"Simon Brooke" > wrote in message
...
> in message . com>,
> MyPostingID ') wrote:
>
> > is there a list somewhere of which riders in Le Tour de France, ride
> > which bikes?
>
> Wouldn't take long to create one.
>
> AG2R ride BTwin/Campagnolo
> (up-market brand of French sports supermarket chain Decathlon)
> 31 Christophe Moreau (FRANCE)
> 32 José Luis Arrieta (ESP)
> 33 Mikel Astarloza (ESP)
> 34 Sylvain Calzati (FRA)
> 35 Cyril Dessel (FRA)
> 36 Samuel Dumoulin (FRA)
> 37 Simon Gerrans (AUS)
> 38 Stephane Goubert (FRA)
>
> Agritubel are on MBK/Shimano
> (French middle of the road brand)
> 191 Juan Miguel Mercado (ESP)
> 192 Manuel Calvente (ESP)
> 193 Cedric Coutouly (FRA)
> 194 Moisés Dueñas (ESP)
> 195 Eduardo Gonzalo Ramirez (ESP)
> 196 Christophe Laurent (FRA)
> 197 José Alberto Martinez (ESP)
>
> Bouygues are on Time/Campagnolo
> (Stylish French bicycle maker, better known for pedals)
> 171 Thomas Voeckler (FRA)
> 172 Walter Bénéteau (FRA)
> 173 Laurent Brochard (FRA)
> 174 Pierrick Fedrigo (FRA)
> 175 Anthony Geslin (FRA)
> 176 Laurent Lefevre (FRA)
> 177 Jerome Pineau (FRA)
> 178 Didier Rous (FRA)
> 179 Mathieu Sprick (FRA)
>
> CA are on Look/Shimano
> (Stylish French bicycle maker, better known for pedals)
> 111 Pietro Caucchioli (ITA)
> 112 Alexandre Botcharov (RUS)
> 113 Anthony Charteau (FRA)
> 114 Julian Dean (NZL)
> 115 Jimmy Engoulvent (FRA)
> 116 Patrice Halgand (FRA)
> 117 Sebastien Hinault (FRA)
> 118 Thor Hushovd (NOR)
> 119 Christophe Le Mevel (FRA)
>
> Cofidis are on Willier/Campagnolo
> (Who?)
> 131 David Moncoutié (FRA)
> 132 Stephane Augé (FRA)
> 133 Jimmy Casper (FRA)
> 134 Sylvain Chavanel (FRA)
> 135 Arnaud Coyot (FRA)
> 136 Christian Moreni (ITA)
> 137 Ivan Parra (COL)
> 138 Rik Verbrugghe (BEL)
> 139 Bradley Wiggins (GBR)
>
> CSC ride Cervelo/Shimano
> (Canadian road-bike brand)
> 11 Bobby Julich (USA)
> 12 Giovanni Lombardi (ITA)
> 13 Stuart O'Grady (AUS)
> 14 Carlos Sastre (ESP)
> 15 Frank Schleck (LUX)
> 16 Christian Vandevelde (USA)
> 17 Jens Voigt (GER)
> 18 David Zabriskie (USA)
>
> Davitamon Lotto are on Ridley/Campagnolo
> (Upmarket Belgian(?) marque)
> 61 Cadel Evans (AUS)
> 62 Mario Aerts (BEL)
> 63 Christophe Brandt (BEL)
> 64 Chris Horner (USA)
> 65 Robbie McEwen (AUS)
> 67 Gert Steegmans (BEL)
> 68 Wim Vansevenant (BEL)
> 69 Johan Van Summeren (BEL)
>
> Disco ride Trek/Shimano
> (Middle of the road US brand, now mainly made in the far east)
> 1 Jose Azevedo (POR)
> 2 Vjatceslav Ekimov (RUS)
> 3 George Hincapie (USA)
> 4 Egoi Martinez (ESP)
> 5 Benjamin Noval (ESP)
> 6 Pavel Padrnos (CZE)
> 7 Yaroslav Popovych (UKR)
> 8 Jose Luis Rubiera (ESP)
> 9 Paolo Savoldelli (ITA)
>
> Euskaltel-Euskadi are on Orbea/Shimano
> (Major Spanish bicycle maker, also strong in mountain bikes)
> 121 Iban Mayo (ESP)
> 122 Iker Camano Ortuzar (ESP)
> 123 Unai Etxebarria (VEN)
> 124 Aitor Hernandez (ESP)
> 125 Inaki Isasi (ESP)
> 126 Inigo Landaluze (ESP)
> 127 David Lopez Garcia (ESP)
> 128 Gorka Verdugo (ESP)
> 129 Haimar Zubeldia (ESP)
>
> FdJ are on Lapierre/Shimano
> (who?)
> 151 Sandy Casar (FRA)
> 152 Carlos Da Cruz (FRA)
> 153 Bernhard Eisel (AUT)
> 154 Philippe Gilbert (BEL)
> 155 Sebastien Joly (FRA)
> 156 Gustav Erik Larsson (SWE)
> 157 Thomas Lovkvist (SWE)
> 158 Christophe Mengin (FRA)
> 159 Benoit Vaugrenard (FRA)
>
> Gerolsteiner ride Specialized/Shimano
> (Middle of the road US brand, mainly made in the far east)
> 41 Levi Leipheimer (USA)
> 42 Marcus Fothen (GER)
> 43 David Kopp (GER)
> 44 Sebastian Lang (GER)
> 45 Ronny Scholz (GER)
> 46 Georg Totschnig (AUT)
> 47 Fabian Wegmann (GER)
> 48 Peter Wrolich (AUT)
> 49 Beat Zberg (SUI)
>
> Ibanesto (Caisse d'Epargne) are on Pinarello/Campagnolo
> (The other Italian road race marque)
> 92 David Arroyo (ESP)
> 93 Florent Brard (FRA)
> 94 Isaac Galvez (ESP)
> 95 Jose-Vicente Garcia Acosta (ESP)
> 96 Vladimir Karpets (RUS)
> 97 Oscar Pereiro (ESP)
> 98 Nicolas Portal (FRA)
> 99 Xavier Zandio (ESP)
>
> Lampre are on Cannondale/Campagnolo
> (US pioneers of the lightweight aluminium frame, still made in the US)
> 81 Damiano Cunego (ITA)
> 82 Alessandro Ballan (ITA)
> 83 Daniele Bennati (ITA)
> 84 Marzio Bruseghin (ITA)
> 85 Salvatore Commesso (ITA)
> 86 Daniele Righi (ITA)
> 87 Paolo Tiralongo (ITA)
> 88 Tadej Valjavec (SLO)
> 89 Francisco Vila Erandonea (ESP)
>
> Leaky Gas are on Bianchi/Campagnolo
> (The also-ran among the classic Italian marques)
> 162 Michael Albasini (SUI)
> 163 Magnus Backstedt (SWE)
> 164 Patrick Calcagni (SUI)
> 165 Kjell Carlstrom (FIN)
> 166 Stefano Garzelli (ITA)
> 167 Matej Mugerli (SLO)
> 168 Luca Paolini (ITA)
> 169 Manuel Quinziato (ITA)
>
> Milram are on Colnago/Shimano (surely that's an art crime?)
> (The definitive road bike, crafted in Italy)
> 181 Erik Zabel (GER)
> 182 Mirko Celestino (ITA)
> 183 Ralf Grabsch (GER)
> 184 Andriy Grivko (UKR)
> 185 Maxim Iglinskiy (KAZ)
> 186 Christian Knees (GER)
> 188 Björn Schröder (GER)
> 189 Marco Velo (ITA)
>
> Phonac ride BMC/Campagnolo
> (Swiss road race marque)
> 71 Floyd Landis (USA)
> 72 Bert Grabsch (GER)
> 73 Robert Hunter (RSA)
> 74 Nicolas Jalabert (FRA)
> 75 Miguel Angel Martin Perdiguero (ESP)
> 76 Axel Merckx (BEL)
> (Axel Merckx was on one of his dad's bikes last
> year but I don't think he is this year)
> 77 Koos Moerenhout (NED)
> 78 Alexandre Moos (SUI)
> 79 Victor Hugo Pena Grisales (COL)
>
> Quickstep are on Time/Campagnolo
> (Stylish French bicycle maker, better known for pedals)
> 101 Tom Boonen (BEL)
> 102 Wilfried Cretskens (BEL)
> 103 Steven De Jongh (NED)
> 104 Juan Manuel Garate (ESP)
> 105 Filippo Pozzato (ITA)
> 106 Josè Rujano Guillen (VEN)
> 107 Bram Tankink (NED)
> 108 Matteo Tosatto (ITA)
> 109 Cedric Vasseur (FRA)
>
> Rabobank are on Colnago/Shimano (surely that's heretical?)
> (The definitive road bike, crafted in Italy)
> 51 Denis Menchov (RUS)
> 52 Michael Boogerd (NED)
> 53 Bram De Groot (NED)
> 55 Juan Antonio Flecha (ESP)
> 56 Oscar Freire Gomez (ESP)
> 57 Joost Posthuma (NED)
> 58 Michael Rasmussen (DEN)
> 59 Pieter Weening (NED)
>
> SDV are on Scott/Campagnolo
> (Middle of the road US brand, now manufactured in the far east)
> 141 Gilberto Simoni (ITA)
> 142 David Canada (ESP)
> 143 David De la Fuente (ESP)
> 144 Jose Angel Gomez Marchante (ESP)
> 145 Ruben Lobato (ESP)
> 146 David Millar (GBR)
> 147 Riccardo Ricco (ITA)
> 148 Christophe Rinero (FRA)
> 149 Francisco Jose Ventoso (ESP)
>
> TMo ride Giant/Shimano
> (The worlds biggest bicycle maker, probably bigger than all the others
> put together)
> 21 Andreas Klöden (GER)
> 22 Giuseppe Guerini (ITA)
> 23 Sergej Honchar (UKR)
> 24 Matthias Kessler (GER)
> 25 Eddy Mazzoleni (ITA)
> 26 Michael Rogers (AUS)
> 27 Patrik Sinkewitz (GER)
>
> The vast majority of those bikes are now carbon, but I think the Lampre
> Cannondales are the carbon/aluminium Six13 frameset, and at least some
> of the Leaky Bianchis are aluminium (Backstead's is, for certain).
>
> More interesting would be a breakdown of the wheels being used, which I
> haven't yet seen.
>
> However, having said all that, remember most teams don't really choose
> their bikes. For most of these teams, the frame manufacturer is a
> substantial sponsor - so the teams get the bikes the sponsor makes,
> although there's probably a lot of development feedback from the team to
> the manufacturer. Also, I suspect few of these teams pay for their
> groupsets - not full price, anyway. Again, they use what the sponsor
> supplies. It's still blasphemy to put nasty cheap Japanese junk on a
> Colnago.
>
> I'm /really/ surprised that SRAM haven't got their new groupset onto at
> leat one of the teams in this year's Tour. Several of the teams have
> evaluated the groupset, for certain.
>
> --
> (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
>
> ;; Perl ... is the Brittney Spears of programming - easily
accessible
> ;; but, in the final analysis, empty of any significant thought
> ;; Frank Adrian on Slashdot, 21st July
2003

[Simon Brooke]

in message >, Brian Phillips
') wrote:

> Lampre is on Wilier bikes this year. The current issue of Cycle Sport
> has an article w/photos of all the team bikes. The Bianchis of LiquiGas
> are aluminum, with some having carbon seat stays.

OK, that makes two teams on Wiliers. A bit of web search says they're
Italian. According to their website, they're 100 years old, and have
been heavily involved in racing for the last 60.

Why have they wholly failed to make any impact on my consciousness in
that time? Are their products terminally ordinary, or else so rare as to
be obscure? And what's an Italian bike maker doing selling most of its
models with (spit) Shimano groupsets?

--
(Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

;; It appears that /dev/null is a conforming XSL processor.

[Brian Phillips]

Here's a bit more history on them, along with info on their newest bike:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?id=tech/2006/features/wilier_centenary


"Simon Brooke" > wrote in message
...
> in message >, Brian Phillips
> ') wrote:
>
> > Lampre is on Wilier bikes this year. The current issue of Cycle Sport
> > has an article w/photos of all the team bikes. The Bianchis of LiquiGas
> > are aluminum, with some having carbon seat stays.
>
> OK, that makes two teams on Wiliers. A bit of web search says they're
> Italian. According to their website, they're 100 years old, and have
> been heavily involved in racing for the last 60.
>
> Why have they wholly failed to make any impact on my consciousness in
> that time? Are their products terminally ordinary, or else so rare as to
> be obscure? And what's an Italian bike maker doing selling most of its
> models with (spit) Shimano groupsets?
>
> --
> (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
>
> ;; It appears that /dev/null is a conforming XSL
processor.
>

[Sandy]

Brian Phillips a écrit :
> Here's a bit more history on them, along with info on their newest bike:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?id=tech/2006/features/wilier_centenary
>
>
> "Simon Brooke" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> in message >, Brian Phillips
>> ') wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Lampre is on Wilier bikes this year. The current issue of Cycle Sport
>>> has an article w/photos of all the team bikes. The Bianchis of LiquiGas
>>> are aluminum, with some having carbon seat stays.
>>>
> processor.
>
>
>
>
Did someone just open the jar and let a simon brooke thingie out ?
There was a little Italian guy who rode Wilier successfully, when he
didn't ride Carrera or Bianchi. (Italian not British names. Not
Condor, e.g.) Shaved his balding head too, like a pirate. Seems he was
well known, loved in Italy, deceased sadly too soon.

Let's put that simon brooke thingie back in its jar. On the other hand,
maybe it will look things up, first.

--

Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine FR
-
"Our knowledge is a little island in a great ocean of non-knowledge."
- Edward O. Wilson

[Ryan Cousineau]

In article >,
"Brian Phillips" > wrote:

> "Simon Brooke" > wrote in message
> ...
> > in message >, Brian Phillips
> > ') wrote:

> > OK, that makes two teams on Wiliers. A bit of web search says they're
> > Italian. According to their website, they're 100 years old, and have
> > been heavily involved in racing for the last 60.
> >
> > Why have they wholly failed to make any impact on my consciousness in
> > that time? Are their products terminally ordinary, or else so rare as to
> > be obscure? And what's an Italian bike maker doing selling most of its
> > models with (spit) Shimano groupsets?
> >
> > --
> > (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

> Here's a bit more history on them, along with info on their newest bike:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?id=tech/2006/features/wilier_centenary

Cosmo provides some nice gossip about one of Wilier's recent racing
bikes:

http://cyclocosm.com/2006/06/irony-is-french-word-afterall-cas.html

In short, they were passing off a Scott CR-1 as a Wilier prototype. As
in, not just racing their competitor's frame with the wrong stickers,
but proudly telling people it was a prototype of a future project.

http://deepquote.net/h1u4g6v4avqw

Great artists steal,

--
Ryan Cousineau http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

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Simon Brooke wrote:

> Disco ride Trek/Shimano
> (Middle of the road US brand, now mainly made in the far east)

I'm surprised Mike Jacoubowsky hasn't already pointed
out that the high end Treks, like the team frames, are
made in the US.

> SDV are on Scott/Campagnolo
> (Middle of the road US brand, now manufactured in the far east)

FWIW, "Scott USA" was a European only brand for bicycles for
a number of years. I think they re-entered the US market just a
couple of years ago, but you still don't see them around that much.
As with a number of these companies, they belong to a larger
conglomerate, which makes a bunch of things - Scott's original
and still main business is ski acessories.

Ben
I have a Scott virtual Tour-winning clip-on aerobar
around here somewhere.

[Donald Munro]

Simon Brooke wrote:
>> Disco ride Trek/Shimano
>> (Middle of the road US brand, now mainly made in the far east)

wrote:
> I'm surprised Mike Jacoubowsky hasn't already pointed
> out that the high end Treks, like the team frames, are
> made in the US.

I really can't understand this silly snobbery about bikes made in the
east. Carbon fibre expertise is much higher there than in many other
supposedly better traditional cycling countries.

>> SDV are on Scott/Campagnolo
>> (Middle of the road US brand, now manufactured in the far east)
>
> FWIW, "Scott USA" was a European only brand for bicycles for a number of
> years.

Swiss I think.

[Simon Brooke]

in message . com>,
') wrote:

> Simon Brooke wrote:
>
>> Disco ride Trek/Shimano
>> (Middle of the road US brand, now mainly made in the far east)
>
> I'm surprised Mike Jacoubowsky hasn't already pointed
> out that the high end Treks, like the team frames, are
> made in the US.

That's why I said 'mainly'.

>> SDV are on Scott/Campagnolo
>> (Middle of the road US brand, now manufactured in the far east)
>
> FWIW, "Scott USA" was a European only brand for bicycles for
> a number of years.

Now, that I didn't know. How very... odd. I bought my first Scott
mountain bike in 1990, I think - an enormously heavy rigid gas-pipe
special in swamp-monster-vomit green, which I rode happily across all
sorts of terrain for fifteen years.

--
(Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

;; making jokes about dyslexia isn't big, it isn't clever and
;; it isn't furry.

[Ewoud Dronkert]

Dwayne schreef:
> Funny pic at
> http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullstory&id=4166
> Apparently the Rabobank TT bikes were Giants painted as Colnagos. :)

However it does say Giant-something on the chainstay so they're not
trying to pull a Wilier.


--
E. Dronkert

[Geraard Spergen]

Sandy wrote:
> Brian Phillips a écrit :
>
>> Here's a bit more history on them, along with info on their newest bike:
>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?id=tech/2006/features/wilier_centenary
>>
>>
>>
>> "Simon Brooke" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>
>>> in message >, Brian
>>> Phillips
>>> ') wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Lampre is on Wilier bikes this year. The current issue of Cycle Sport
>>>> has an article w/photos of all the team bikes. The Bianchis of LiquiGas
>>>> are aluminum, with some having carbon seat stays.
>>>>
>>
>> processor.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Did someone just open the jar and let a simon brooke thingie out ?
> There was a little Italian guy who rode Wilier successfully, when he
> didn't ride Carrera or Bianchi. (Italian not British names. Not
> Condor, e.g.) Shaved his balding head too, like a pirate. Seems he was
> well known, loved in Italy, deceased sadly too soon.
> Let's put that simon brooke thingie back in its jar. On the other hand,
> maybe it will look things up, first.
>

Gerolsteiner rode Willier in 2004 - Rebellin took three classics and
almost the World Cup that year.