Bonking and food for a ride

[Sandy Christmus]

OK, I know it's not a huge ride for some of you all, but I took a 36
mile ride this morning. The temp was in the 80's by the end of the ride
(9-11AM). It's my longest ride since I started riding about 4 months
ago. The last 3 miles or so weren't pretty. I didn't break down crying
on the side of the road, but I sure coasted a lot and VERY slowly made
it up a hill I usually take at about 15-16mph. I think I bonked, I'm
not quite sure. My question is: Should I have taken along food for
this length ride? I drank lots of water, but no electrolyte
replacement. Should I have replaced my 'lytes? I had bowl of cereal
for breakfast which contained about 30g of carbohydrates. Maybe
mistakenly, I thought that was enough.

What should I do in the future to help me make a ride of this length.
Am I just not ready for this ride, yet?

Thanks for the help.

Sandy

[Tom Keats]

In article >,
Gary Smiley > writes:
> It seems that whatever I eat before a ride will be "burnt off" after about
> an hour or so.

I'm good for 20 miles on one cup of cooked oatmeal before I
start feeling peckish again. I guess that means I get
400 MPG (Imperial gallons). Of course, my fuel usually has
additives. Lately it's been dried currants (I've also been
on an oatmeal & currant scone-making kick lately).

> Generally, I eat a snack once an hour. Usually an energy bar,
> or some cake, cookies, fruit, etc. I can actually feel myself getting energy
> from it, and I can I can feel my energy running out after about an hour.
> You probably should have stopped for a snack around half-way through the
> ride.

Ah, the joys of urban riding, and the convenience of popping into
a nearby deli, bakery or grocery store as the mood suits. Not to
mention chasing down ice cream trucks :-)


cheers,
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[The Causey Way]

"Sandy Christmus" > wrote in message
...
>
> What should I do in the future to help me make a ride of this length.
> Am I just not ready for this ride, yet?
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> Sandy
>

On a 40 mile ride, I usually have a small snack (couple of bites from a Clif
bar) half way through. I find it makes a huge difference in my energy level
at the last 15 miles or so of the ride. Once, though, I polished off a whole
Clif bar and spent many miles fighting stomach cramps. I would think the
question of electrolytes would become more important the more you sweat. So
a hot summer ride would demand greater attention to your 'lyte intake.
I eat a large breakfast a couple of hours before I ride, including a couple
of bowls of cereal, a bagel, coffee, juice. That'll keep me going for a
while, but I still need the extra snack.
By the way, congrats on finishing your longest ride yet.

[R.White]

Gary Smiley > wrote in message >...
> It seems that whatever I eat before a ride will be "burnt off" after about
> an hour or so. Generally, I eat a snack once an hour. Usually an energy bar,
> or some cake, cookies, fruit, etc. I can actually feel myself getting energy
> from it, and I can I can feel my energy running out after about an hour.
> You probably should have stopped for a snack around half-way through the
> ride.

Ditto on the hour or so. Even just doing the Rails-2-Trails, I carry
some fig newtons and eat them at the turn around point which is 13 miles.
A 2 pound package of "generic' fig bars are $2.00, so they're pretty
frugal compared to energy bars. On longer rides or when I'm hiking,
I carry the tuna or salmon that comes in a foil pouch and eat it
with some wheat crackers.







>
> Sandy Christmus wrote:
>
> > OK, I know it's not a huge ride for some of you all, but I took a 36
> > mile ride this morning. The temp was in the 80's by the end of the ride
> > (9-11AM). It's my longest ride since I started riding about 4 months
> > ago. The last 3 miles or so weren't pretty. I didn't break down crying
> > on the side of the road, but I sure coasted a lot and VERY slowly made
> > it up a hill I usually take at about 15-16mph. I think I bonked, I'm
> > not quite sure. My question is: Should I have taken along food for
> > this length ride? I drank lots of water, but no electrolyte
> > replacement. Should I have replaced my 'lytes? I had bowl of cereal
> > for breakfast which contained about 30g of carbohydrates. Maybe
> > mistakenly, I thought that was enough.
> >
> > What should I do in the future to help me make a ride of this length.
> > Am I just not ready for this ride, yet?
> >
> > Thanks for the help.
> >
> > Sandy

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Tom Keats > wrote:
: Ah, the joys of urban riding, and the convenience of popping into
: a nearby deli, bakery or grocery store as the mood suits. Not to
: mention chasing down ice cream trucks :-)

Sounds like instinctual behaviour for hunter-gatherer homo
sapiens :D

I have squirrel genes: the bag is full of food and drinks when I
head out for a long ride (5.5l of drinks last time, and I did
refill, and I'm too lazy to list the foods). My MPG is about 120.

Wednesday I did a shorter ride, 50 km, with only one banana with
me. The latter part of the ride I had to practically go by burning
fats alone, 65% of max heart rate and slower pace.

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[Claire Petersky]

Sandy Christmus > wrote in message >...
> My question is: Should I have taken along food for
> this length ride? I drank lots of water, but no electrolyte
> replacement. Should I have replaced my 'lytes? I had bowl of cereal
> for breakfast which contained about 30g of carbohydrates. Maybe
> mistakenly, I thought that was enough.

While you're in the process of building up your strength and
endurance, you will need more fuel. Thus, if a 36 mile ride is a long
ride for you, you'll need to set yourself up properly.

A cycling breakfast for me has a combination of proteins and complex
carbohydrates, such as a soft-boiled egg and whole wheat toast; or
oatmeal and a tub of yogurt. Simply a bowl of rice krispies or other
breakfast cereal that's only simple carbs is not going to sufficiently
sustain you. You'll burn all that off pretty fast, and there's nothing
there to keep you going for the long haul.

Then, for emergencies, carry a clif bar or something like that in your
back pocket, just in case you bonk and you need something to get you
home.

Warm Regards,

Claire

[Paul Southworth]

In article >,
Sandy Christmus > wrote:
>OK, I know it's not a huge ride for some of you all, but I took a 36
>mile ride this morning. The temp was in the 80's by the end of the ride
>(9-11AM). It's my longest ride since I started riding about 4 months
>ago. The last 3 miles or so weren't pretty. I didn't break down crying
>on the side of the road, but I sure coasted a lot and VERY slowly made
>it up a hill I usually take at about 15-16mph. I think I bonked, I'm
>not quite sure. My question is: Should I have taken along food for
>this length ride? I drank lots of water, but no electrolyte
>replacement. Should I have replaced my 'lytes?

No, you needed calories.

>I had bowl of cereal
>for breakfast which contained about 30g of carbohydrates. Maybe
>mistakenly, I thought that was enough.

Apparently not for you.

>What should I do in the future to help me make a ride of this length.
> Am I just not ready for this ride, yet?

You're fine, just wait a few days and do it again. It's normal to
find you need more food when you are trying to ride more miles than
is typical for you. If you added a banana before the ride and any
kind of energy drink in the water bottle you will probably be fine.
Some kind of emergency food source in your pocket is also a good
idea.

--Paul

[Tom Keats]

In article >,
writes:
> Tom Keats > wrote:
>: Ah, the joys of urban riding, and the convenience of popping into
>: a nearby deli, bakery or grocery store as the mood suits. Not to
>: mention chasing down ice cream trucks :-)
>
> Sounds like instinctual behaviour for hunter-gatherer homo
> sapiens :D

It's a way to spend excess money, anyway :-)

> I have squirrel genes: the bag is full of food and drinks when I
> head out for a long ride (5.5l of drinks last time, and I did
> refill, and I'm too lazy to list the foods). My MPG is about 120.

There is much to be said for the take-food-with-you approach, too.
You can eat on the fly, food is always at-hand, and it's cheaper.

> Wednesday I did a shorter ride, 50 km, with only one banana with
> me. The latter part of the ride I had to practically go by burning
> fats alone, 65% of max heart rate and slower pace.

One of our local specialty foods stores (Famous Foods Ltd) sells
cheap, bulk ice tea crystals. The stuff is good for masking the
plastic taste that water bottles can impart. I think by adding
a little this & that to it - electrolytes, maybe a little soy
protein and such stuff - one could make a credible and pleasant-
tasting sports/energy drink out of it. The ice tea crystals
already have enough sugar. It might be an interesting experiment.


cheers,
Tom

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Tom Keats > wrote:

> Ah, the joys of urban riding, and the convenience of popping into
> a nearby deli, bakery or grocery store as the mood suits. Not to
> mention chasing down ice cream trucks :-)

My favorite 'refueling' station is a french bakery south of UW. Le
Fournil is a wonderful place. :) Of course, my co-workers tease me
about all the bakery staff knowing me on sight...

I used to use the ride around the lake as an excuse to visit the bakery.
Now I use the bakery as an excuse to take the ride around the lake. I'm
not quite sure when my priorities switched on that.

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Tom Keats > wrote:

: There is much to be said for the take-food-with-you approach, too.
: You can eat on the fly, food is always at-hand, and it's cheaper.

Eating on the fly means your muscles don't get cold. I hate when
that happens on long demanding rides, really hurts performance and
spirits.

: One of our local specialty foods stores (Famous Foods Ltd) sells
: cheap, bulk ice tea crystals. The stuff is good for masking the
: plastic taste that water bottles can impart. I think by adding
: a little this & that to it - electrolytes, maybe a little soy
: protein and such stuff - one could make a credible and pleasant-
: tasting sports/energy drink out of it. The ice tea crystals
: already have enough sugar. It might be an interesting experiment.

Seems plastic taste comes here only on long rides in very warm
(maybe +25 C or more) weather.

Last weekend I had a 1.5l homebrew sports drink made of blueberry
soup (popular here but this one was bad variety), sugar, soy
powder and salt. Not so good tasting but helped... maltodextrine
would have been very good for it I guess.

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[Rick Onanian]

On 18 Jul 2003 07:21:33 -0700, Claire Petersky > wrote:
> oatmeal and a tub of yogurt. Simply a bowl of rice krispies or other
> breakfast cereal that's only simple carbs is not going to sufficiently
> sustain you. You'll burn all that off pretty fast, and there's nothing
> there to keep you going for the long haul.

I have to say, on Saturdays, I stuff myself full of Rice Krispies and whole
milk 1 to 2 hours before I ride, and not only to I ride strong for 4 hours
or so, but I'm not very hungry afterwards. I'd say, half a box (10z or so)
of Rice Krispies, and as much as a quart of milk.

Then, I drink Gu2o for the whole ride, rather than plain water; that must
help...although if it's too hot, even the very light flavor of Gu2o is too
much for me.

This is in contrast to normal, non-biking days, where I eat the same amount
of Rice Krispies, but earlier (6:30am instead of 8am), and I starve from
10:00am until lunch [large portions of calorie-dense foods]; then I'm
starving again at 5pm.

I think I have some sort of metabolism problem. ;) However, biking somehow
seems to put my body into proper order -- the same breakfast of mass
quantities of Rice Krispies, followed by Gu2o in moderate quantities, and
I'm barely hungry the rest of the day. Maybe it's the Gu2o...hmm...new
diet? Naw, gotta have my frozen pizza!

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[Dan Musicant]

On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 22:13:45 -0400, Sandy Christmus
> wrote:

:OK, I know it's not a huge ride for some of you all, but I took a 36
:mile ride this morning. The temp was in the 80's by the end of the ride
:(9-11AM). It's my longest ride since I started riding about 4 months
:ago. The last 3 miles or so weren't pretty. I didn't break down crying
:on the side of the road, but I sure coasted a lot and VERY slowly made
:it up a hill I usually take at about 15-16mph. I think I bonked, I'm
:not quite sure. My question is: Should I have taken along food for
:this length ride? I drank lots of water, but no electrolyte
:replacement. Should I have replaced my 'lytes? I had bowl of cereal
:for breakfast which contained about 30g of carbohydrates. Maybe
:mistakenly, I thought that was enough.
:
:What should I do in the future to help me make a ride of this length.
: Am I just not ready for this ride, yet?
:
:Thanks for the help.
:
:Sandy

I started riding a lot again recently - around 2-3 months ago, daily 12
milers with 1000 foot elevation. I used to do 50 milers occasionally.
What I've found recently is that I have a lot more power up the hill
(1000 feet, as I say) if I've had a decent meal. If I'm anywhere near
hungry, I can only go 90% as fast.

I'd advise taking some food along. You may not need it but if it turns
out you do, you will be glad. I take a trail mix always.

Sounds like you needed to have some nuitrition.

Dan

[JerZ Fox]

Sandy: 36 miles is a pretty substantial ride, especially if you don't have
adequate nutrition to carry you.

I personally like Accelerade (no, I don't own stock in them). It's a flavored
carb-protein powder which you mix with water. Also, gel packs are good. And
finding a good deli or pizza place as someone else mentioned adds to the fun!




Diana B., LPN
Diva Nurse

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Money doesn't buy happiness.
Poverty doesn't buy anything.

[Peter Cole]

"Sandy Christmus" > wrote in message
...
> OK, I know it's not a huge ride for some of you all, but I took a 36
> mile ride this morning. The temp was in the 80's by the end of the ride
> (9-11AM). It's my longest ride since I started riding about 4 months
> ago. The last 3 miles or so weren't pretty. I didn't break down crying
> on the side of the road, but I sure coasted a lot and VERY slowly made
> it up a hill I usually take at about 15-16mph. I think I bonked, I'm
> not quite sure. My question is: Should I have taken along food for
> this length ride?

I think you just got tired. Typically, people carry about 2,000 cal of stored
glycogen in their muscles and liver. How many calories/mile you burn is very
dependent on speed and terrain. It's unlikely that you could sustain any where
near the caloric burn rate that would bonk you in 36 miles.

> I drank lots of water, but no electrolyte
> replacement. Should I have replaced my 'lytes?

No. The only "electrolyte" that can become depleted is sodium (salt). This
takes many hours (over 8-12) of heavy sweating.

> I had bowl of cereal
> for breakfast which contained about 30g of carbohydrates. Maybe
> mistakenly, I thought that was enough.

It was more than enough.

> What should I do in the future to help me make a ride of this length.
> Am I just not ready for this ride, yet?

Ride more, ride longer.

[Tom Keats]

In article >,
> writes:

> I used to use the ride around the lake as an excuse to visit the bakery.
> Now I use the bakery as an excuse to take the ride around the lake. I'm
> not quite sure when my priorities switched on that.

Ah, the old chicken & egg enigma - ride to eat, or eat to ride.
Either way is pretty good. After all, both riding and eating
are pleasures; might as well combine 'em.


cheers,
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[Gary Smiley]

We did a mini-tour to Montreal in May. Check out the pictures- most of them
are pictures food-
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Tom Keats wrote:

> In article >,
> > writes:
>
> > I used to use the ride around the lake as an excuse to visit the bakery.
> > Now I use the bakery as an excuse to take the ride around the lake. I'm
> > not quite sure when my priorities switched on that.
>
> Ah, the old chicken & egg enigma - ride to eat, or eat to ride.
> Either way is pretty good. After all, both riding and eating
> are pleasures; might as well combine 'em.
>
> cheers,
> Tom
>
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[Gary Smiley]

I've checked out GU but it costs around a dollar an ounce, or sixteen dollars a
pound.
I've thought of using honey as a cheaper (and more natural) alternative.


Rivermist wrote:

> I think we all have a bad day out there now and then and sometimes it is
> hard to figure out why. My point is, whether eating would have helped is
> hard to say.
>
> However, on the subject of eating, in a race I usually eat one of the gel
> packs every half hour on the bike. When training I usually do one every
> hour.
>
> I eat the GU brand (vanilla), and I like the taste a lot, so they serve as a
> reward for myself as much as anything else.
>
> "Sandy Christmus" > wrote in message
> ...
> > OK, I know it's not a huge ride for some of you all, but I took a 36
> > mile ride this morning. The temp was in the 80's by the end of the ride
> > (9-11AM). It's my longest ride since I started riding about 4 months
> > ago. The last 3 miles or so weren't pretty. I didn't break down crying
> > on the side of the road, but I sure coasted a lot and VERY slowly made
> > it up a hill I usually take at about 15-16mph. I think I bonked, I'm
> > not quite sure. My question is: Should I have taken along food for
> > this length ride? I drank lots of water, but no electrolyte
> > replacement. Should I have replaced my 'lytes? I had bowl of cereal
> > for breakfast which contained about 30g of carbohydrates. Maybe
> > mistakenly, I thought that was enough.
> >
> > What should I do in the future to help me make a ride of this length.
> > Am I just not ready for this ride, yet?
> >
> > Thanks for the help.
> >
> > Sandy
> >

[David Kerber]

In article >, Kevan Smith
/\/\> says...
> On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 22:13:34 GMT, Gary Smiley > from
> Comcast Online wrote:
>
> >I've checked out GU but it costs around a dollar an ounce, or sixteen dollars a
> >pound.
> >I've thought of using honey as a cheaper (and more natural) alternative.
>
> Honey is mostly plain sugar -- might as well have a Snickers.

Yeah; you'll also get some protein and fats with it, which are also
necessary.

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[Tom Keats]

In article >,
Gary Smiley > writes:
> We did a mini-tour to Montreal in May. Check out the pictures- most of them
> are pictures food-
> http://www.crw.org/gallery/MDDM2003/Index.htm

mmmmm, napoleon.

If I ever do a trans-Canada trip, I'll have to find out
who does the best corned beef -- Winnipeg or Montreal.
I've had samples of both kinds here in Vancouver, but I
don't think it's the same as getting it at the source.
My bet's on Montreal. Or maybe they're each as good as
the other, each in it's own way?


cheers,
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[Zoot Katz]

Sat, 19 Jul 2003 21:33:57 -0400,
>, David Kerber
> wrote:

>In article >, Kevan Smith
/\/\> says...
>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 22:13:34 GMT, Gary Smiley > from
>> Comcast Online wrote:
>>
>> >I've checked out GU but it costs around a dollar an ounce, or sixteen dollars a
>> >pound.
>> >I've thought of using honey as a cheaper (and more natural) alternative.
>>
>> Honey is mostly plain sugar -- might as well have a Snickers.
>
>Yeah; you'll also get some protein and fats with it, which are also
>necessary.

Not in sufficient quantities to really make an issue of it unless
you're selling honey. There are scientific studies paid for by
national honey boards that claim honey is better than a placebo and as
good or better than commercial gooey shots for providing energy with
fewer GI complaints.

Spoon for spoon, honey contains more calories than sugar and does not
induce hypoglycemia

It contains a variety of vitamins, minerals and amino acids, including
antioxidants. In addition, honey has anti-inflammatory and
antimicrobial effects.

Honey is also perhaps the only carbohydrate food that does not promote
tooth decay through acidity.

http://www.nhb.org/research/index.html#athletics

Honey is better for other reasons they'll tell you too but I don't
need to be convinced. Honey is real food locally produced while gooey
snacks are what?
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[Zoot Katz]

Sat, 19 Jul 2003 23:30:39 -0500,
>, Kevan Smith
/\/\> wrote:

>I love honey, too. After your tip, I'm even buying royal jelly

Investigate the therapeutic uses for propolis. It's serious medicine.

A friend who always suffered from hay fever allergies was cured in one
season by eating bee pollen. The wax is handy for lots of stuff too.

I think the stuff is blessed because bees work it all out by dancing.
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[Zoot Katz]

Sat, 19 Jul 2003 20:05:15 -0700, >,
(Tom Keats) wrote:

>
>I'm the only person I know who likes buckwheat honey.

I love bucwheat honey.
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[Bernie]

Tom Keats wrote:

> In article >,
> David Kerber > writes:
> > In article >, Kevan Smith
> > /\/\> says...
> >> On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 22:13:34 GMT, Gary Smiley > from
> >> Comcast Online wrote:
> >>
> >> >I've checked out GU but it costs around a dollar an ounce, or sixteen dollars a
> >> >pound.
> >> >I've thought of using honey as a cheaper (and more natural) alternative.
> >>
> >> Honey is mostly plain sugar -- might as well have a Snickers.
> >
> > Yeah; you'll also get some protein and fats with it, which are also
> > necessary.
>
> Trouble is, they like to melt into a gooey puddle.
>
> Date-nut loaf travels well. And you can even put honey
> in it when you make it. Just can't whistle for awhile
> after eating a couple of squares.
>
> I'm the only person I know who likes buckwheat honey.
>
> cheers,
> Tom
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[Mike Latondresse]

Zoot Katz > wrote in
:

>
> Honey is better for other reasons they'll tell you too but I don't
> need to be convinced. Honey is real food locally produced while
> gooey snacks are what?

OK Zoot how do I take honey on a ride, there seems to be a packaging
problem, and straight honey is very sweet, not good to take straight?

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Mike Latondresse > wrote:

: OK Zoot how do I take honey on a ride, there seems to be a packaging
: problem, and straight honey is very sweet, not good to take straight?

Maybe mix it with water? Solved the packaging problem, I did a
short ride with 1l water + 2 teaspoonfuls of honey. My stomach
didn't like it that much but I have to experiment more... could
be much better idea than just using sugar. Or even better than
maltodextrin?

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[Zoot Katz]

Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:40:15 GMT, >,
Mike Latondresse > wrote:

>> Honey is better for other reasons they'll tell you too but I don't
>> need to be convinced. Honey is real food locally produced while
>> gooey snacks are what?
>
>OK Zoot how do I take honey on a ride, there seems to be a packaging
>problem, and straight honey is very sweet, not good to take straight?

Plastic squeeze bottles like a ketchup or mustard dispenser. Some
honeys already come packed in them.

Flattened round bottles like a glue dispenser or some toiletry
containers is a better shape for packing in a jersey. Find one that
fits a like dish-detergent bottle top or a large bore, flip-up spout.
Some empty sunscreen or hand cream tubes would be perfect if you can
get rid of the perfume.

I had some from Gerry. MEC has plastic food containers in the store.
I've not looked at any lately but there's all kinds of shops along
Broadway . One of 'em might even have honey flasks.

Cut it with lemon or lime juice if it's too sweet. A dash of bitters?
Tequila? I don't know, try different flavours.
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[David Kerber]

In article >,
says...
> Sat, 19 Jul 2003 21:33:57 -0400,
> >, David Kerber
> > wrote:
>
> >In article >, Kevan Smith
> /\/\> says...
> >> On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 22:13:34 GMT, Gary Smiley > from
> >> Comcast Online wrote:
> >>
> >> >I've checked out GU but it costs around a dollar an ounce, or sixteen dollars a
> >> >pound.
> >> >I've thought of using honey as a cheaper (and more natural) alternative.
> >>
> >> Honey is mostly plain sugar -- might as well have a Snickers.
> >
> >Yeah; you'll also get some protein and fats with it, which are also
> >necessary.
>
> Not in sufficient quantities to really make an issue of it unless
> you're selling honey. There are scientific studies paid for by

I was talking about the Snickers, not the honey <GGG>.

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[Zoot Katz]

Sun, 20 Jul 2003 20:48:35 -0400,
>, David Kerber
> wrote:

>> >> Honey is mostly plain sugar -- might as well have a Snickers.
>> >
>> >Yeah; you'll also get some protein and fats with it, which are also
>> >necessary.
>>
>> Not in sufficient quantities to really make an issue of it unless
>> you're selling honey. There are scientific studies paid for by
>
>I was talking about the Snickers, not the honey <GGG>.

Yeah, I figured that out too late to keep from looking illiterate.

I tagged a previously written response to Kevin onto your post when I
saw that you'd answered him without paying real attention to, or
addressing, what you'd said. Bad form.

Anyway, for candy snacks I prefer bars like Sweet Marie and Mr.Big
for filling a gap.
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[archer]

In article >,
says...
> Sun, 20 Jul 2003 20:48:35 -0400,
> >, David Kerber
> > wrote:
>
> >> >> Honey is mostly plain sugar -- might as well have a Snickers.
> >> >
> >> >Yeah; you'll also get some protein and fats with it, which are also
> >> >necessary.
> >>
> >> Not in sufficient quantities to really make an issue of it unless
> >> you're selling honey. There are scientific studies paid for by
> >
> >I was talking about the Snickers, not the honey <GGG>.
>
> Yeah, I figured that out too late to keep from looking illiterate.
>
> I tagged a previously written response to Kevin onto your post when I
> saw that you'd answered him without paying real attention to, or
> addressing, what you'd said. Bad form.
>
> Anyway, for candy snacks I prefer bars like Sweet Marie and Mr.Big
> for filling a gap.

I've never heard of either of them, but have found that candy does not
work well for me in this application. I do better with something like
Quaker chewy granola bars or peanut butter crackers. I don't know for
sure why, but I guess it's because it's not so heavy on the chocolate,
and has some additional protein and fiber.


>

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[Elisa Francesca Roselli]

I gather "bonking" does not have the same meaning in American and British
English ...

Elisa Roselli
Ile de France

Sandy Christmus wrote:

> I think I bonked, I'm
> not quite sure.

[archer]

In article >,
says...
> I gather "bonking" does not have the same meaning in American and British
> English ...

True <Grin>. In American English, it means something to the effect of
"run out of energy during exercies". Typically due to insufficient
intake of carbohydrates or other quickly-available calories. In British
English, it refers to a specific form of exercise <G,D&R>.

.....

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[Tom Keats]

In article >,
Zoot Katz > writes:
> Sat, 19 Jul 2003 23:55:10 -0700, >,
> Bernie > wrote:
>
>>You're not alone. We just havent met yet.
>>Bernie
>>(keeping an eye out for your milk carton)
>
> You guys will be able to meet at the planned Gastown Grand Prix
> rendezvous. Just show up.

I'd love to attend.

But I'm loathe to make commitments, because as soon as I do,
my client/boss would no doubt come up with a bunch of work
for me, and I'd have to accept it and drop everything else.
I've already missed every single Bike Month event last month
due to getting lots of work. Same thing happened last year.

Now for the embarrassing part, and the other reason for my
reticence until now: I'm temporarily broke. Busted. Skint.
Down to the bone. I'm awaiting my upcoming cheque, but it's
not yet forthcoming. (I get paid when she gets paid.) Maybe
I'll be lucky and get my cheque by Wednesday. Or maybe not.

So, when does the City screw up the downtown traffic for the
upcoming Molson Indy?


cheers,
Tom

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[Zoot Katz]

Mon, 21 Jul 2003 09:58:46 -0700, >,
(Tom Keats) wrote:

>> You guys will be able to meet at the planned Gastown Grand Prix
>> rendezvous. Just show up.
>
>I'd love to attend.
>
Then come. The race is free and the rest is covered. Okay?

>But I'm loathe to make commitments, because as soon as I do,
>my client/boss would no doubt come up with a bunch of work
>for me, and I'd have to accept it and drop everything else.
>I've already missed every single Bike Month event last month
>due to getting lots of work. Same thing happened last year.

I've been nailed down all of July and missed most of the things I'd
wanted to do. But I won't miss this one. You'll work more efficiently
after an evening out.
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[Tom Keats]

In article >,
Zoot Katz > writes:
> Mon, 21 Jul 2003 09:58:46 -0700, >,
> (Tom Keats) wrote:
>
>>> You guys will be able to meet at the planned Gastown Grand Prix
>>> rendezvous. Just show up.
>>
>>I'd love to attend.
>>
> Then come. The race is free and the rest is covered. Okay?

Okay, I'll be there.

I just rode down to the 10th & Quebec HRDC to look at the job
bank offerings, and took a notion to continue on to downtown.
The Molson Indy is getting pretty well set up, and getting in
the way of my most convenient ingress to downtown (down Ontario
St -> past Science World -> cut through the Indy parking area ->
Abbott St.) But it's still circumnavigable.


cheers,
Tom

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[Tom Keats]

In article >,
Zoot Katz > writes:

> Have you seen the way this new bike route fades-to-black at the
> eastbound Marine Drive approach to Knight Street Bridge?

That newfangled Windsor/Inverness route? I always figured Dumfries St
makes more sense. I got into a discussion with some city staff about
it. They argued that Windsor provides a direct route to the Vancouver
Community College's King Edward campus. But Dumfries St could hook up
to the existing Mosaic route on Woodland, which intersects the
Off-Broadway route, which leads to the King Edward campus anyway.

And connecting to the Mosaic route makes the whole thing more of a
north/south cross-town route, which is lacking in the east end.
But I'm not a city engineer, so WTH do I know :-p

They also mentioned how Windsor passes by some high school, but
Dumfries accesses more schools, churches, and retail areas on
Kingsway, as well as Kensington Community Centre, Clark Park, etc.
And subsequently, Woodland Dr accesses Brittania Community Centre,
runs closely parallel to Commercial Dr, connects to the Adanac route
(Windsor doesn't), and it's a short hop, skip & jump to the Lakewood
route which runs even further north, connects to the Portside route,
and thence the Trans Canada Trail.

At the south end, for crossing Marine Dr to get to/from Kent Ave,
Dumfries lines up with Borden St better than Inverness does with
Crompton St.

But it's all moot now, since I didn't even know the Windsor/Inverness
route was in the works until it was already a done deal. There was
nothing on the City's cycling home page about it. And I guess there
weren't many east-ender cycling advocates here to pick up the ball.
I feel as though it was sprung on us by surprise. Oh well. Maybe
some day they'll finish (or start) the Windsor St section.

My apologies to other readers, for all the local detail of non-interest
to many of you. I just had to vent a little about what I deem a less
than optimal decision by Vancouver City Staff & Council.


cheers,
Tom

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Tom Keats > wrote:
> In article >,
> > writes:

>> I used to use the ride around the lake as an excuse to visit the bakery.
>> Now I use the bakery as an excuse to take the ride around the lake. I'm
>> not quite sure when my priorities switched on that.

> Ah, the old chicken & egg enigma - ride to eat, or eat to ride.
> Either way is pretty good. After all, both riding and eating
> are pleasures; might as well combine 'em.

True. And it's always good for frightening the non-cyclists. Their
eyes go wide as they see you demolish one plate of food after another,
and *then* go grab two or three pieces of dessert.

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[Rick Onanian]

On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 12:30:35 -0400, archer >
wrote:

> In article >,
> says...
>> I gather "bonking" does not have the same meaning in American and
>> British
>> English ...
>
> True <Grin>. In American English, it means something to the effect of
> "run out of energy during exercies". Typically due to insufficient
> intake of carbohydrates or other quickly-available calories. In British
> English, it refers to a specific form of exercise <G,D&R>.

Actually, it's context-sensitive in the US. It means both of those
meanings, as well as light to moderate bludgeoning.

I bonked on that ride <--> I ran out of fuel on that ride.

I bonked her all night <--> fun till the sun comes up

I endo'ed and bonked my head <--> head-dab
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[Damian Harvey]

wrote:

>True. And it's always good for frightening the non-cyclists. Their eyes go wide as they see you demolish one plate of food after another,and *then* go grab two or three pieces of dessert.
>
I've just come back from cycling SE Asia and the faces of the locals
were just priceless. Some of these small towns I doubt had ever seen
white people let alone BIG ones on bikes. One rest stop in Cambodia I'd
skipped breakfast and was just about dead when I came across one of the
cool little stands that sell fruit and veg, nuts and cold drinks. I
inhaled 20 lady finger bananas, 3 bags of peanuts and 4 bottles of
drinks. Handed over $1.50 then went on my way, refreshed and with the
local kiddies following me on their bikes. That was a great day.
If you have a week off a great holiday would be to fly to Bangkok bus
into Siem Reap then cycle to Phnom Penh via Battambang and the south
road. Just magic country with fantastic people.

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On Sat, 09 Aug 2003 09:52:22 -0400, Rick Onanian >
wrote:

>$1.50? I'm moving to Cambodia.

Heh! Say hi to my mate Mike Boddington if you bump into him over
there - he runs a landmine victim charity. But he only works in
Cambodia, he lives in Laos. For the price of a small garden shed in
Henley-on-Thames you can have a palace built over there.

Guy
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