Long back and short legs

[Beemer]

I'm looking to buy a road frame which has non standard geometry. My
present frame is a Bataglin Columbus tubed 55cm (centre of bracket to end of
seat tube) which suits my 30" inside leg. The top tube is also 55cm and the
down tube is 62cm.

My problem is that I have a long back (or short legs...how do you tell
which?) and even with a 13cm Cinelli stem I feel the frame is too small.
I feel that I want to stretch out further and that this will also reduce a
"numb hand" problem.

Anyone know of a brand of standard frame (any material) which has a longer
level top tube than seat tube?

Beemer

[Peter Clinch]

Beemer wrote:
> I'm looking to buy a road frame which has non standard geometry. <snip>
>
> My problem is that I have a long back (or short legs...how do you tell
> which?)

So do I. I ride a bike with non-standard geometry, it's one of these:

http://kinetics.org.uk/html/streetmachine.shtml

If you want something sportier there are plenty of options in that line.
Clearly not much use if you want to go out and race and or head out
with with the local Chain Gang, but if you want to cycle round roads in
optimum comfort with good aerodynamics it's an avenue to look down.

Frame size on many adjusts with an extending boom to put the pedals in
the right place, and since there's no weight on the bars at all there's
rarely a problem with them being in the wrong place.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

[daren]

Beemer wrote:
> I'm looking to buy a road frame which has non standard geometry. My
> present frame is a Bataglin Columbus tubed 55cm (centre of bracket to end of
> seat tube) which suits my 30" inside leg. The top tube is also 55cm and the
> down tube is 62cm.
>
> Anyone know of a brand of standard frame (any material) which has a longer
> level top tube than seat tube?
>
> Beemer

Lemond (part of Trek group)

HTH
d.

[Tony W]

"Beemer" > wrote in message
o.uk...
> I'm looking to buy a road frame which has non standard geometry. My
> present frame is a Bataglin Columbus tubed 55cm (centre of bracket to end
> of
> seat tube) which suits my 30" inside leg. The top tube is also 55cm and
> the
> down tube is 62cm.
>
> My problem is that I have a long back (or short legs...how do you tell
> which?) and even with a 13cm Cinelli stem I feel the frame is too small.
> I feel that I want to stretch out further and that this will also reduce a
> "numb hand" problem.
>
> Anyone know of a brand of standard frame (any material) which has a longer
> level top tube than seat tube?

I also have duck's disease (arse too close to the ground). I put my
measurements into some frame sizing software, (can't remember which, it was
an Italian frame maker. A bit of Googling should find something suitable).
It came out with almost the exact geometry of my Galaxy, popped a longer
stem onto it and Robert was the male sibling of one of my parents.

Total outlay for an even more comfortable bike, a very few drinking tokens.

T

[Arthur Clune]

Beemer wrote:

> Anyone know of a brand of standard frame (any material) which has a longer
> level top tube than seat tube?

Planet-X

http://www.planet-x-bikes.com/road/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=105&MMN_position=317:317

--
Arthur Clune

[Rob Morley]

In article >
Beemer > wrote:
> I'm looking to buy a road frame which has non standard geometry. My
> present frame is a Bataglin Columbus tubed 55cm (centre of bracket to end of
> seat tube) which suits my 30" inside leg. The top tube is also 55cm and the
> down tube is 62cm.
>
> My problem is that I have a long back (or short legs...how do you tell
> which?) and even with a 13cm Cinelli stem I feel the frame is too small.
> I feel that I want to stretch out further and that this will also reduce a
> "numb hand" problem.
>
> Anyone know of a brand of standard frame (any material) which has a longer
> level top tube than seat tube?
>
Don't forget the importance of the seat tube angle in this equation.
Down tube length is irrelevant to frame fit - it's determined by head
and seat angles and (effective) seat tube and top tube lengths.

[Simon Brooke]

in message >, Beemer
') wrote:

> I'm looking to buy a road frame which has non standard geometry. My
> present frame is a Bataglin Columbus tubed 55cm (centre of bracket to
> end of
> seat tube) which suits my 30" inside leg. The top tube is also 55cm
> and the down tube is 62cm.
>
> My problem is that I have a long back (or short legs...how do you tell
> which?) and even with a 13cm Cinelli stem I feel the frame is too
> small. I feel that I want to stretch out further and that this will
> also reduce a "numb hand" problem.
>
> Anyone know of a brand of standard frame (any material) which has a
> longer level top tube than seat tube?

It isn't /that/ expensive to have a frame built for you - and I would
have thought in your case it would be worth while.

http://www.hewittbikefitting.co.uk/
http://www.robinmathercycles.co.uk/
http://www.daveyatescycles.co.uk/

--
(Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

For office use only. Please do not write or type below this line.

[Beemer]

"Peter Clinch" > wrote in message
...
| Beemer wrote:
| > I'm looking to buy a road frame which has non standard geometry. <snip>
| >
| > My problem is that I have a long back (or short legs...how do you tell
| > which?)
|
| So do I. I ride a bike with non-standard geometry, it's one of these:
|
| http://kinetics.org.uk/html/streetmachine.shtml
|
| If you want something sportier there are plenty of options in that line.
| Clearly not much use if you want to go out and race and or head out
| with with the local Chain Gang, but if you want to cycle round roads in
| optimum comfort with good aerodynamics it's an avenue to look down.
|
| Frame size on many adjusts with an extending boom to put the pedals in
| the right place, and since there's no weight on the bars at all there's
| rarely a problem with them being in the wrong place.
|
| Pete.
| --
| Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
| Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
| Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
| net http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

Peter,

I drive a car, ride a motorbike and a road racing cycle. A recumbant has
always seemed attractive from a technical viewpoint but I'm concerned about
its visibility to low height. Certainly the one you linked has the option
of a bright orange storage case mounted at the rear.

thanks,

Beemer

[Beemer]

"daren" > wrote in message
ups.com...
|
| Beemer wrote:
| > I'm looking to buy a road frame which has non standard geometry. My
| > present frame is a Bataglin Columbus tubed 55cm (centre of bracket to
end of
| > seat tube) which suits my 30" inside leg. The top tube is also 55cm and
the
| > down tube is 62cm.
| >
| > Anyone know of a brand of standard frame (any material) which has a
longer
| > level top tube than seat tube?
| >
| > Beemer
|
| Lemond (part of Trek group)
|
| HTH
| d.
|
thanks,

Beemer

[Beemer]

"Tony W" > wrote in message
...
|
| "Beemer" > wrote in message
| o.uk...
| > I'm looking to buy a road frame which has non standard geometry. My
| > present frame is a Bataglin Columbus tubed 55cm (centre of bracket to
end
| > of
| > seat tube) which suits my 30" inside leg. The top tube is also 55cm and
| > the
| > down tube is 62cm.
| >
| > My problem is that I have a long back (or short legs...how do you tell
| > which?) and even with a 13cm Cinelli stem I feel the frame is too small.
| > I feel that I want to stretch out further and that this will also reduce
a
| > "numb hand" problem.
| >
| > Anyone know of a brand of standard frame (any material) which has a
longer
| > level top tube than seat tube?
|
| I also have duck's disease (arse too close to the ground). I put my
| measurements into some frame sizing software, (can't remember which, it
was
| an Italian frame maker. A bit of Googling should find something
suitable).
| It came out with almost the exact geometry of my Galaxy, popped a longer
| stem onto it and Robert was the male sibling of one of my parents.
|
| Total outlay for an even more comfortable bike, a very few drinking
tokens.
|
| T
|
|
Tony,

Your Uncle Bob, if he is into cycling, might want to look at
http://www.bsn.com/Cycling/ergobike.html but although I can fill my spec in
the "calculate" does not work. I suspect the site is lurking in a cache but
is now actually defunct.

Beemer

[Beemer]

"Arthur Clune" > wrote in message
...
| Beemer wrote:
|
| > Anyone know of a brand of standard frame (any material) which has a
longer
| > level top tube than seat tube?
|
| Planet-X
|
|
http://www.planet-x-bikes.com/road/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=105&MMN_position=317:317
|
| --
| Arthur Clune

Yes I see some potential here.

thanks

Beemer

[Beemer]

"Rob Morley" > wrote in message
t...
| In article >
| Beemer > wrote:
| > I'm looking to buy a road frame which has non standard geometry. My
| > present frame is a Bataglin Columbus tubed 55cm (centre of bracket to
end of
| > seat tube) which suits my 30" inside leg. The top tube is also 55cm and
the
| > down tube is 62cm.
| >
| > My problem is that I have a long back (or short legs...how do you tell
| > which?) and even with a 13cm Cinelli stem I feel the frame is too small.
| > I feel that I want to stretch out further and that this will also reduce
a
| > "numb hand" problem.
| >
| > Anyone know of a brand of standard frame (any material) which has a
longer
| > level top tube than seat tube?
| >
| Don't forget the importance of the seat tube angle in this equation.
| Down tube length is irrelevant to frame fit - it's determined by head
| and seat angles and (effective) seat tube and top tube lengths.

Yes something like:

Cos A = b2+c2-a2 = 71.3deg
-----------------
2 x b x c

however I forgot to account for the head tube so my calculation is crap.

Beemer

[Beemer]

"Simon Brooke" > wrote in message
...
| in message >, Beemer
| ') wrote:
|
| > I'm looking to buy a road frame which has non standard geometry. My
| > present frame is a Bataglin Columbus tubed 55cm (centre of bracket to
| > end of
| > seat tube) which suits my 30" inside leg. The top tube is also 55cm
| > and the down tube is 62cm.
| >
| > My problem is that I have a long back (or short legs...how do you tell
| > which?) and even with a 13cm Cinelli stem I feel the frame is too
| > small. I feel that I want to stretch out further and that this will
| > also reduce a "numb hand" problem.
| >
| > Anyone know of a brand of standard frame (any material) which has a
| > longer level top tube than seat tube?
|
| It isn't /that/ expensive to have a frame built for you - and I would
| have thought in your case it would be worth while.
|
| http://www.hewittbikefitting.co.uk/
| http://www.robinmathercycles.co.uk/
| http://www.daveyatescycles.co.uk/
|
| --
| (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
|
| For office use only. Please do not write or type below this line.

Simon,

...your not implying I should top post are you? 8:)

Thanks, I'll need some time to wade through.

Beemer

[wafflycat]

"Beemer" > wrote in message
o.uk...
> I'm looking to buy a road frame which has non standard geometry. My
> present frame is a Bataglin Columbus tubed 55cm (centre of bracket to end
> of
> seat tube) which suits my 30" inside leg. The top tube is also 55cm and
> the
> down tube is 62cm.
>
> My problem is that I have a long back (or short legs...how do you tell
> which?) and even with a 13cm Cinelli stem I feel the frame is too small.
> I feel that I want to stretch out further and that this will also reduce a
> "numb hand" problem.
>
> Anyone know of a brand of standard frame (any material) which has a longer
> level top tube than seat tube?
>
> Beemer
>

My other half is long of back and short of leg. Very short of leg.

He has a Racelight T frame which has been built up into a lovely bike.

Cheers, helen s

[wafflycat]

"Beemer" > wrote in message
.uk...

snipped..
>
> I drive a car, ride a motorbike and a road racing cycle. A recumbant has
> always seemed attractive from a technical viewpoint but I'm concerned
> about
> its visibility to low height. Certainly the one you linked has the option
> of a bright orange storage case mounted at the rear.
>
> thanks,
>
> Beemer
>
>

I have a recumbent trike. I am given far more room on the roads when I'm on
the 'bent than when I'm on the upright. I think it's the WTFIT factor at
work - and I'm given a very wide berth

Cheers, helen s

[Clive George]

"wafflycat" > wrote in message
...

>> Anyone know of a brand of standard frame (any material) which has a
>> longer
>> level top tube than seat tube?
>
> My other half is long of back and short of leg. Very short of leg.
>
> He has a Racelight T frame which has been built up into a lovely bike.

I've got long legs and use what many people would consider a small frame for
my height. I've got a Racelight T framed bike, and it's lovely for me too
:-)

cheers,
clive

[Beemer]

"wafflycat" > wrote in message
...
|
| "Beemer" > wrote in message
| .uk...
|
| snipped..
| >
| > I drive a car, ride a motorbike and a road racing cycle. A recumbant
has
| > always seemed attractive from a technical viewpoint but I'm concerned
| > about
| > its visibility to low height. Certainly the one you linked has the
option
| > of a bright orange storage case mounted at the rear.
| >
| > thanks,
| >
| > Beemer
| >
| >
|
| I have a recumbent trike. I am given far more room on the roads when I'm
on
| the 'bent than when I'm on the upright. I think it's the WTFIT factor at
| work - and I'm given a very wide berth
|
| Cheers, helen s

Helen,

Yes I perceive the "wtfit" feeling too when I wear my sam brown belt when on
my motorbike.

Then again, you're bike won't have folks thinking when they look in their
mirror... I'm gonna get nicked!

Beemer

[Beemer]

"wafflycat" > wrote in message
...
|
| "Beemer" > wrote in message
| o.uk...
| > I'm looking to buy a road frame which has non standard geometry. My
| > present frame is a Bataglin Columbus tubed 55cm (centre of bracket to
end
| > of
| > seat tube) which suits my 30" inside leg. The top tube is also 55cm and
| > the
| > down tube is 62cm.
| >
| > My problem is that I have a long back (or short legs...how do you tell
| > which?) and even with a 13cm Cinelli stem I feel the frame is too small.
| > I feel that I want to stretch out further and that this will also reduce
a
| > "numb hand" problem.
| >
| > Anyone know of a brand of standard frame (any material) which has a
longer
| > level top tube than seat tube?
| >
| > Beemer
| >
|
| My other half is long of back and short of leg. Very short of leg.
|
| He has a Racelight T frame which has been built up into a lovely bike.
|
| Cheers, helen s

I do hope his other leg is okay 8:)

Beemer
|

[Peter Clinch]

Beemer wrote:

> I drive a car, ride a motorbike and a road racing cycle. A recumbant has
> always seemed attractive from a technical viewpoint but I'm concerned about
> its visibility to low height.

So is just about everyone who hasn't ridden one, but in practice
those of us that do, even the low ones, don't find a problem
getting seen.

Mine isn't that sporty and sportier tend to be lower, but for
reference I'm at eye to eye level with typical car drivers. My
pal's Lotus is lower than me on the bike, he gets seen and can see
out okay. "Highracers", sports machines with 26" front and rear,
will typically have the rider at car seat height.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

[Tom]

Simon Brooke > wrote:
> in message >
> It isn't /that/ expensive to have a frame built for you - and I would
> have thought in your case it would be worth while.
>
> http://www.hewittbikefitting.co.uk/
> http://www.robinmathercycles.co.uk/
> http://www.daveyatescycles.co.uk/

Don't forget www.merciancycles.co.uk

Starting prices cheaper than all the above (excepting the Velocitá) and I
can wholeheartedly recommend them.

Tom
--
Return address is dead. Real address is at
http://toomanybikes.com/address.jpg

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> Beemer wrote:
> > I'm looking to buy a road frame which has non standard geometry. My
> > present frame is a Bataglin Columbus tubed 55cm (centre of bracket to end of
> > seat tube) which suits my 30" inside leg. The top tube is also 55cm and the
> > down tube is 62cm.
> >
> > Anyone know of a brand of standard frame (any material) which has a longer
> > level top tube than seat tube?
> >
> > Beemer
>
> Lemond (part of Trek group)
>
I have the same leg/back mismatch (29" inside leg): no problems on my
Lemond Tourmalet.

[Rob Morley]

In article >
Simon Brooke > wrote:
> in message >, Beemer
> ') wrote:
>
> > I'm looking to buy a road frame which has non standard geometry. My
> > present frame is a Bataglin Columbus tubed 55cm (centre of bracket to
> > end of
> > seat tube) which suits my 30" inside leg. The top tube is also 55cm
> > and the down tube is 62cm.
> >
> > My problem is that I have a long back (or short legs...how do you tell
> > which?) and even with a 13cm Cinelli stem I feel the frame is too
> > small. I feel that I want to stretch out further and that this will
> > also reduce a "numb hand" problem.
> >
> > Anyone know of a brand of standard frame (any material) which has a
> > longer level top tube than seat tube?
>
> It isn't /that/ expensive to have a frame built for you - and I would
> have thought in your case it would be worth while.
>
> http://www.hewittbikefitting.co.uk/
> http://www.robinmathercycles.co.uk/
> http://www.daveyatescycles.co.uk/
>
>
http://www.lacycles.co.uk/

All of his stock frame designs come in a choice of three different top-
tube lengths, and he'll do bespoke too.
Excellent frame builder, not much of a web designer, but then he's been
building frames longer than Tim Berners-Lee has been writing HTML :-)