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Claire Petersky
November 22nd 06, 02:02 AM
If a bicyclist rides for 45 minutes at 10 mph when it's 6 degrees C in a
rainstorm in the dark, upon arrival at home, for how long does she have to
shower with water at 41 C before her toes thaw out?

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Claire Petersky
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zeke
November 22nd 06, 02:18 AM
On Nov 21, 9:02 pm, "Claire Petersky" >
wrote:
> If a bicyclist rides for 45 minutes at 10 mph when it's 6 degrees C in a
> rainstorm in the dark, upon arrival at home, for how long does she have to
> shower with water at 41 C before her toes thaw out?
>
> --
> Warm Regards,
>
> Claire Peterskyhttp://www.bicyclemeditations.org/
> See the books I've set free at:http://bookcrossing.com/referral/Cpetersky

Depends on how big her feet are.

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n5hsr
November 22nd 06, 02:58 AM
"Claire Petersky" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> If a bicyclist rides for 45 minutes at 10 mph when it's 6 degrees C in a
> rainstorm in the dark, upon arrival at home, for how long does she have to
> shower with water at 41 C before her toes thaw out?
>
> --
> Warm Regards,
>
> Claire Petersky
> http://www.bicyclemeditations.org/
> See the books I've set free at: http://bookcrossing.com/referral/Cpetersky
>

Hmmm. Does that include hubby rubbing them after they come out of the
frozen shoes? It's below 0 C here of a morning. Gonna have to start
wearing warmer shoes?

Charles of Schaumburg

Patrick Lamb
November 22nd 06, 03:41 AM
On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 02:02:54 GMT, "Claire Petersky"
> wrote:

>If a bicyclist rides for 45 minutes at 10 mph when it's 6 degrees C in a
>rainstorm in the dark, upon arrival at home, for how long does she have to
>shower with water at 41 C before her toes thaw out?

Same as any other time -- until the hot water runs out!

Pat

Email address works as is.

Bob
November 22nd 06, 07:18 AM
Claire Petersky wrote:
> If a bicyclist rides for 45 minutes at 10 mph when it's 6 degrees C in a
> rainstorm in the dark, upon arrival at home, for how long does she have to
> shower with water at 41 C before her toes thaw out?
>
> --
> Warm Regards,
>
> Claire Petersky

Insufficient data. We need to know the size of her toes and her
heartrate. BTW, given the question shouldn't that be "Frozen Regards"?

just plain regards,
Bob Hunt

Bill Sornson
November 22nd 06, 09:30 AM
Claire Petersky wrote:
> If a bicyclist rides for 45 minutes at 10 mph when it's 6 degrees C
> in a rainstorm in the dark, upon arrival at home, for how long does
> she have to shower with water at 41 C before her toes thaw out?

Five minutes beyond the water heater's capacity.

Jørn Dahl-Stamnes
November 22nd 06, 11:02 AM
Claire Petersky wrote:

> If a bicyclist rides for 45 minutes at 10 mph when it's 6 degrees C in a
> rainstorm in the dark, upon arrival at home, for how long does she have to
> shower with water at 41 C before her toes thaw out?

42... the answer is ALWAYS 42!

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Ravi
November 22nd 06, 01:01 PM
Claire Petersky wrote:
> If a bicyclist rides for 45 minutes at 10 mph when it's 6 degrees C in a
> rainstorm in the dark, upon arrival at home, for how long does she have to
> shower with water at 41 C before her toes thaw out?

few assumptions that can be safely made:

you were always enjoying every moment of the ride...
you always had a smile (if not visible) all along the ride...

based on these assumptions, you must be cold-blooded ;) [evolution ??]
and hence your feet isn't really frozen... so the correct answer is turn
off the water and go for another 45 minute ride and have an epic ride...

unfortunately, most of the storms that seattle gets, are off alaska -
which are cold... while in SF Bay Area, we also get the Pineapple
Express - storms out of Hawaii -- which aren't as cold as the ones out
of the Gulf of Alaska...

cheers,
ravi

Ken C. M.
November 22nd 06, 01:43 PM
Claire Petersky wrote:
> If a bicyclist rides for 45 minutes at 10 mph when it's 6 degrees C in a
> rainstorm in the dark, upon arrival at home, for how long does she have to
> shower with water at 41 C before her toes thaw out?
>
Until the water coming out of the shower head isn't considered warm an
longer.

Ken
--
The bicycle is just as good company as most husbands and, when it gets
old and shabby, a woman can dispose of it and get a new one without
shocking the entire community. ~Ann Strong

dgk
November 22nd 06, 02:19 PM
On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 02:02:54 GMT, "Claire Petersky"
> wrote:

>If a bicyclist rides for 45 minutes at 10 mph when it's 6 degrees C in a
>rainstorm in the dark, upon arrival at home, for how long does she have to
>shower with water at 41 C before her toes thaw out?

Oh. Cold rain. My absolute favorite.

Bill
November 22nd 06, 03:33 PM
Claire Petersky wrote:
> If a bicyclist rides for 45 minutes at 10 mph when it's 6 degrees C in a
> rainstorm in the dark, upon arrival at home, for how long does she have to
> shower with water at 41 C before her toes thaw out?
>
Don't you have the standard rain golashes for that kind of thing? Or is
it a clips or die kind of thing? I used to ride to school in that kind
of weather and didn't have a problem, but I wore the little rubber over
the shoe snow booties, too.
Bill Baka

Bill
November 22nd 06, 03:42 PM
dgk wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 02:02:54 GMT, "Claire Petersky"
> > wrote:
>
>> If a bicyclist rides for 45 minutes at 10 mph when it's 6 degrees C in a
>> rainstorm in the dark, upon arrival at home, for how long does she have to
>> shower with water at 41 C before her toes thaw out?
>
> Oh. Cold rain. My absolute favorite.

6C is really not freezing and won't hurt your feet since nothing CAN
freeze but it can get really painful to have your feet that cold
compared to the rest of the body. How about putting a small wash tub in
the shower and letting it fill up with some really warm water and then
stand in it while defrosting the rest of the body. Anything over about
12-15C you can keep your core up by riding faster, but your feet, hands,
and probably even face are going to get very cold. You may want to start
carrying waterproof gloves (even surgeon type) and some sort of
emergency head covering or upper body covering. It is totally not a
style thing, but a large garbage bag can be carried and holes cut for
the head and arms for a one use (who cares what I look like? I'm dry.)
kind of a thing. You can also take a small bag and just make a head
cover for it and then put on some safety goggles to protect your eyes.
There are lots of inventive little things, but you will totally lose
your 'cool' factor.
Bill Baka

nash
November 22nd 06, 04:00 PM
6C is average for Vancouver this time of year. I ride all year.
Get Marion in China to send you Exustar bike boots since that is where they
are made. I find the rubber cleats slippery on shiny floors but the feet
are warm and dry.

bdbafh
November 22nd 06, 04:24 PM
Claire Petersky wrote:
> If a bicyclist rides for 45 minutes at 10 mph when it's 6 degrees C in a
> rainstorm in the dark, upon arrival at home, for how long does she have to
> shower with water at 41 C before her toes thaw out?
>
> --
> Warm Regards,
>
> Claire Petersky
> http://www.bicyclemeditations.org/
> See the books I've set free at: http://bookcrossing.com/referral/Cpetersky

If your hair has clogged the tub drain such that several inches of
standing water are present in the tub, 7 minutes.

-bdbafh

Tom Keats
November 22nd 06, 05:22 PM
In article <Tu_8h.351925$R63.53015@pd7urf1no>,
"nash" > writes:
> 6C is average for Vancouver this time of year. I ride all year.
> Get Marion in China to send you Exustar bike boots since that is where they
> are made. I find the rubber cleats slippery on shiny floors but the feet
> are warm and dry.

I just wrapped strips of inner tube rubber around my
toe clips, attaching them with zip ties. They work
wonderfully, not only for keeping the wind chill off
my toes, but also for keeping shoes more-or-less dry.

I've noticed how when shoes get wet while riding in the
rain, the soakage begins at the toes of the shoes and
gradually seeps back. If you can keep the toe ends of
the shoes dry, the rest of the shoes also stay relatively
dry. However I also use a pair of cheap-o gaiters I got
from 3-Vets; they also help to keep my shoe uppers dry.


cheers,
Tom

nash
November 22nd 06, 05:32 PM
"Tom Keats" > wrote in message
...
> In article <Tu_8h.351925$R63.53015@pd7urf1no>,
> "nash" > writes:
>> 6C is average for Vancouver this time of year. I ride all year.
>> Get Marion in China to send you Exustar bike boots since that is where
>> they
>> are made. I find the rubber cleats slippery on shiny floors but the feet
>> are warm and dry.
>
> I just wrapped strips of inner tube rubber around my
> toe clips, attaching them with zip ties. They work
> wonderfully, not only for keeping the wind chill off
> my toes, but also for keeping shoes more-or-less dry.
>
> I've noticed how when shoes get wet while riding in the
> rain, the soakage begins at the toes of the shoes and
> gradually seeps back. If you can keep the toe ends of
> the shoes dry, the rest of the shoes also stay relatively
> dry. However I also use a pair of cheap-o gaiters I got
> from 3-Vets; they also help to keep my shoe uppers dry.
>
>
> cheers,
> Tom

MEC has toe covers too. I like your idea but I have spd's.

me
November 22nd 06, 06:11 PM
On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 02:02:54 +0000, Claire Petersky wrote:

> If a bicyclist rides for 45 minutes at 10 mph when it's 6 degrees C in a
> rainstorm in the dark, upon arrival at home, for how long does she have to
> shower with water at 41 C before her toes thaw out?
>

LOL

I just got in from the first ride with my Exustar winter SPD shoes
from MEC. It was dry but -14 plus windchill. I was very well dressed, but
I didn't have my usual waterproof covers that I wear over my usual shoes.
Feet were *just* beginning to feel a little chilled after 25 mins.

Downsides, with *4* velcro straps they are a little bit of a pain to put
on, and the tread around the cleat is pronounced, i think i need to space
them up a bit. It's tricky to get the cleats to engage, and when they do
there is no "click"

All in all though, i would call them a success.

Bill
November 22nd 06, 09:10 PM
me wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 02:02:54 +0000, Claire Petersky wrote:
>
>> If a bicyclist rides for 45 minutes at 10 mph when it's 6 degrees C in a
>> rainstorm in the dark, upon arrival at home, for how long does she have to
>> shower with water at 41 C before her toes thaw out?
>>
>
> LOL
>
> I just got in from the first ride with my Exustar winter SPD shoes
> from MEC. It was dry but -14 plus windchill. I was very well dressed, but
> I didn't have my usual waterproof covers that I wear over my usual shoes.
> Feet were *just* beginning to feel a little chilled after 25 mins.
>
> Downsides, with *4* velcro straps they are a little bit of a pain to put
> on, and the tread around the cleat is pronounced, i think i need to space
> them up a bit. It's tricky to get the cleats to engage, and when they do
> there is no "click"
>
> All in all though, i would call them a success.

You can get your feet down to 0C and not be in any real danger of
frostbite. Below that you can freeze something and that is where the
tissue gets killed from ice crystal formation. Just the salt in your
blood makes the freezing solid temperature of a human about 28F, or
about -2.5C. Above that it just hurts like hell because your feet and
hands (ears too) want to stay the same as the rest of the body. If your
core goes below about 90 then you had better start pedaling a lot faster
to work up some heat. Wake up temperature can be only 95F and you will
never notice being cold, just sleepy until you get some warm coffee or
do a wake up workout. Sort of all relative. I went diving (only about
ten feet) in Yosemite park in snow melt runoff at about 35 degrees max
to recover some camping stuff that had been dropped in the water. After
15 minutes max I was down to maybe 90 degrees and spent the next hour
(at least) hanging out by the campfire. On my list of don't do's.
Bill Baka

nash
November 22nd 06, 09:33 PM
You've been everywhere man. like the song says

Werehatrack
November 22nd 06, 10:58 PM
On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 02:02:54 GMT, "Claire Petersky"
> wrote:

>If a bicyclist rides for 45 minutes at 10 mph when it's 6 degrees C in a
>rainstorm in the dark, upon arrival at home, for how long does she have to
>shower with water at 41 C before her toes thaw out?

Until thirteen minutes after her favorite TV show starts.

Do not ask how I know this.
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zeke
November 22nd 06, 11:03 PM
I bought neoprene socks from Performance Bicycle and they seem to work
rather well.

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Claire Petersky
November 22nd 06, 11:13 PM
"Bill" > wrote in message
. ..

> Don't you have the standard rain golashes for that kind of thing?

It wasn't raining that hard when I left in the morning, and in fact, stopped
raining completely mid-morning, until the next storm blew in. Yeah, I have
booties, but most of the time I just wear my commuter shoes. Booties are a
pain, and I don't pull them on unless I think we're going to get an inch or
more.

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Warm Regards,

Claire Petersky
http://www.bicyclemeditations.org/
See the books I've set free at: http://bookcrossing.com/referral/Cpetersky

Tom Keats
November 23rd 06, 01:03 AM
In article et>,
"Claire Petersky" > writes:
> "Bill" > wrote in message
> . ..
>
>> Don't you have the standard rain golashes for that kind of thing?
>
> It wasn't raining that hard when I left in the morning, and in fact, stopped
> raining completely mid-morning, until the next storm blew in. Yeah, I have
> booties, but most of the time I just wear my commuter shoes. Booties are a
> pain, and I don't pull them on unless I think we're going to get an inch or
> more.

Right after that first big rain/windstorm was my time for riding
through puddles and being surprised by their depth, even though
they were on familiar terrain (I knew there were no potholes
there.)

There was a beaut where I shortcut through Mountain View
Cemetery. I don't know if the puddle still there, I've
been avoiding that spot since. The City has been building
some Japanese garden thing in there, and I guess it
overflowed.

I also discovered, the hard way, a wicked sinkhole in the
parking lot by Mr Sub.

Our tap water is still turbid and ugly, and a "boil your
tap water" advisory remains in effect.



cheers,
Tom

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Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
November 23rd 06, 05:00 AM
Jørn Dahl-Stamnes wrote:
> Claire Petersky wrote:
>
> > If a bicyclist rides for 45 minutes at 10 mph when it's 6 degrees C in a
> > rainstorm in the dark, upon arrival at home, for how long does she have to
> > shower with water at 41 C before her toes thaw out?
>
> 42... the answer is ALWAYS 42!

Claire could try drinking a hot beverage that is almost, but not quite
entirely unlike tea.

--
Tom Sherman - Post Free or Die!

Tom Keats
November 23rd 06, 05:34 AM
In article >,
"Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" > writes:

> Claire could try drinking a hot beverage that is almost, but not quite
> entirely unlike tea.

From the Doctor Who (Peter Davison) story: "The Awakening":
Turlough:"I quite miss that brown liquid they drink here."
Will Chandler:"Ale?"
Turlough:"No. Tea."
Will Chandler:"What be tea?"
The Doctor:"Oh, a noxious infusion of oriental leaves containing
a high percentage of toxic acid."
Will Chandler:"Sounds an evil brew, don't it?"
The Doctor:"True. Personally, I rather like it."

On a blustery PNW night, a pint o' grog hits
the spot. So does clam chowder, minestrone,
Lipton's (chicken noodle) cup 'o soup, hot
cocoa, or hot-&-sour soup from your best local
Chinese take-out place. And wonton noodle soup
w/ BBQ whatever, and a li'l dish of that chili
seed + orange rind in oil sauce on the side.
And gai lan & black bean sauce. And maybe
some pot stickers.


cheers,
Tom

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November 23rd 06, 03:34 PM
nash wrote:
> 6C is average for Vancouver this time of year. I ride all year.
> Get Marion in China to send you Exustar bike boots since that is where they
> are made. I find the rubber cleats slippery on shiny floors but the feet
> are warm and dry.

Just because they are made here doesn't mean they are easy to find
here.

I'll ask Ah Zhi how much they cost, hao ma?

-M

Veloise
November 23rd 06, 04:02 PM
Tom Keats wrote:
....
> On a blustery PNW night, a pint o' grog hits
> the spot. So does clam chowder, minestrone,
> Lipton's (chicken noodle) cup 'o soup, hot
> cocoa, or hot-&-sour soup from your best local
> Chinese take-out place. And wonton noodle soup
> w/ BBQ whatever, and a li'l dish of that chili
> seed + orange rind in oil sauce on the side.
> And gai lan & black bean sauce. And maybe
> some pot stickers.

Uh oh. Here we go with the "yumminess of food" thread again.

--Karen D.
hasn't had breakfast yet

November 23rd 06, 11:28 PM
Jesus, Claire, I had hoped you weren't posting your idiotic ****
anymore. I think your brain got more frozen than your feet did.

Leo Lichtman
November 24th 06, 03:08 AM
> wrote: Jesus, Claire, I had hoped you weren't posting
your idiotic **** anymore. I think your brain got more frozen than your
feet did.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Folson: Claire's brain, even frozen, would have you beat at any
temperature.

November 24th 06, 04:12 PM
Oh, my, Leo, you have REALLY hurt my feelings now! Listen, pal, why
don't you **** off along with Claire? Nobody wants to read her stupid
bull****, OK? Why don't you get a life, dumb****? And while you're at
it, some self-respect? No self-respecting man would deliberately try
to ingratiate himself with a stupid **** who lives in a dream world.
Hey, Leo, do you know what "****" stands for? "Cannot Understand
Normal Thinking".

n5hsr
November 25th 06, 02:14 AM
> wrote in message
oups.com...
> Oh, my, Leo, you have REALLY hurt my feelings now! Listen, pal, why
> don't you **** off along with Claire? Nobody wants to read her stupid
> bull****, OK? Why don't you get a life, dumb****? And while you're at
> it, some self-respect? No self-respecting man would deliberately try
> to ingratiate himself with a stupid **** who lives in a dream world.
> Hey, Leo, do you know what "****" stands for? "Cannot Understand
> Normal Thinking".
>

Did someone forget their ritalin this morning?

Charles of Schaumburg.

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