Re: Bianchi Celeste Paint Color Code

[Paul Southworth]

In article >,
John Forrest Tomlinson > wrote:
>"Chris Zacho "The Wheelman"" > wrote in message
...
>> Celeste is a patented color.
>
>How does one patent a color?

Patenting its production process is probably the only way.
I think Chris really means 'trade secret'.

In any event, there are no color codes for Celeste because
unlike the auto industry (for example) Bianchi has no need
to share color information with body shops and no need for
consistency either.

--Paul

[Chris Zacho The Wheelman]

John=A0Forrest=A0Tomlinson Asked:

>How does one patent a color?

>JT

I gues the same way Harley Davidson patened a sound. I don't know if HD
succedde4d in that or not. But i do know that Celeste is a patented (or
is it copyrighted?) color. No one else can use it for profit.

May you have the wind at your back.
And a really low gear for the hills!
Chris

Chris'Z Corner
"The Website for the Common Bicyclist":
http://www.geocities.com/czcorner

[Andy M-S]

(Chris Zacho "The Wheelman") wrote in message >...
> John Forrest Tomlinson Asked:
>
> >How does one patent a color?
>
> >JT
>
> I gues the same way Harley Davidson patened a sound. I don't know if HD
> succedde4d in that or not. But i do know that Celeste is a patented (or
> is it copyrighted?) color. No one else can use it for profit.

Interesting. Last summer, a friend of mine bought a brand-new
Cannondale road bike that sure looked like celeste. And of course,
there IS considerable variation in the color. And I've seen others
besides Bianchi use the TERM 'celeste' to refer to their
color(s)--which are usually a good deal bluer than Bianchi's...

[Jasper Janssen]

On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 19:37:41 GMT, (Paul
Southworth) wrote:
>In article >,
>John Forrest Tomlinson > wrote:
>>"Chris Zacho "The Wheelman"" > wrote in message
...
>>> Celeste is a patented color.
>>
>>How does one patent a color?
>
>Patenting its production process is probably the only way.
>I think Chris really means 'trade secret'.

Yeah, if it was patented, it'd be available at the patent office.

****. The IBM patents website has disappeared, and now you have to pay to
access it. Dammit.


Jasper

[JTHouse]

Did you know you can buy celeste paint right from Bianchi's web site?
(www.bianchiusa.com, click on 'store.')

[Stergios Papadakis]

Chris Zacho The Wheelman wrote:
>
> John Forrest Tomlinson Asked:
>
> >How does one patent a color?
>
> >JT
>
> I gues the same way Harley Davidson patened a sound. I don't know if HD
> succedde4d in that or not. But i do know that Celeste is a patented (or
> is it copyrighted?) color. No one else can use it for profit.
>

It is probably trademarked, not patented.

The Owens Corning house insulation pink color
is trademarked.

Stergios

[Jim Edgar]

Andy M-S at wrote on 7/10/03 4:28 AM:

>> <snipped> But i do know that Celeste is a patented (or
>> is it copyrighted?) color. No one else can use it for profit.
>
> Interesting. Last summer, a friend of mine bought a brand-new
> Cannondale road bike that sure looked like celeste.

The key phrase in Chriz's claim would be "for profit". I don't believe
Cannondale has managed that... ;^)

-- Jim

[Jim Edgar]

Chris Zacho "The Wheelman" at wrote on 7/9/03 4:43
PM:

> I gues the same way Harley Davidson patened a sound. I don't know if HD
> succedde4d in that or not.

Er.. _attempted_ to patent a sound. They were unsuccessful.

> But i do know that Celeste is a patented (or
> is it copyrighted?) color. No one else can use it for profit.

That's a pretty broad claim. Would love to see the facts upon which it is
based.

-- Jim

[Stergios Papadakis]

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>
> "Stergios Papadakis" > wrote in message
> > It is probably trademarked, not patented.
> >
> > The Owens Corning house insulation pink color
> > is trademarked.
>
> I find that very hard to believe. Trademarks are typically phrases or
> symbols. I am extremely doubtful that a color alone (without a word
> or shape associated with it) could be trademarked. Do you have any
> evidence about the pink color being trademarked?
>
> JT
>

www.owenscorning.com/worldwide/admin/
tempupload/pdf.OC_ThermalWall_E.pdf

Read the fine print at the bottom.
I learned this at an intellectual property and trademark
seminar. They did say that it is highly unusual for a
color to be trademarked.

Stergios

[John Forrest Tomlinson]

"Stergios Papadakis" > wrote in message
...
> John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>
>
> www.owenscorning.com/worldwide/admin/
> tempupload/pdf.OC_ThermalWall_E.pdf
>
> Read the fine print at the bottom.
> I learned this at an intellectual property and trademark
> seminar. They did say that it is highly unusual for a
> color to be trademarked.

Thanks.

JT

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[Todd Kuzma]

Raymo853 wrote:
> Buy the little container of the paint from their website. take it to any
> good auto-paint place and they'll be able to match it pretty darn easily.

Just bring your bike. The odds are highly against the
Bianchi touch-up paint matching the celeste on your bike.

Todd Kuzma
Heron Bicycles
Tullio's Big Dog Cyclery
LaSalle, Il 815-223-1776
http://www.heronbicycles.com
http://www.tullios.com

[Dick Durbin]

(Jkpoulos7) wrote in message >...
> Unfortunately the Bianchis I liked did not come in celeste and the ones
> that did had those awful camp. shifters.

You mean the ones without cables sticking out in the wind? The ones
that don't rattle over every bump? The ones that are rebuildable?
The ones that actually are made to fit human hands?

Have you ever used Campy shifters?

Dick Durbin

[Benjamin Weiner]

Stergios Papadakis > wrote:
> John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:

> > > The Owens Corning house insulation pink color
> > > is trademarked.

> > I find that very hard to believe. Trademarks are typically phrases or
> > symbols. I am extremely doubtful that a color alone (without a word
> > or shape associated with it) could be trademarked. Do you have any
> > evidence about the pink color being trademarked?

> www.owenscorning.com/worldwide/admin/tempupload/pdf.OC_ThermalWall_E.pdf

> Read the fine print at the bottom.
> I learned this at an intellectual property and trademark
> seminar. They did say that it is highly unusual for a
> color to be trademarked.

I believe when this happens, the trademark is for use in a limited context,
in this case insulation. You could sell a pink bike without running afoul
of Owens Corning. Just the same way that a guy named Dell could run a
bike shop called Dell's Bikes, but he might have problems with a computer
store called Dell's Computers. Another example is the Kodak yellow film box.

From http://www.cdf.org/7_1_index/mark/mark.html

"What is trade dress?

"Along with a brand name or logo, a product may become known by its
distinctive packaging - e.g., Kodak's yellow-and-black film box,
Tiffany's turquoise blue gift boxes. Service entities such as retail
or restaurant chains may be recognized by their distinctive decor or
architecture. These identifying features are commonly described as
"trade dress" because they function like a trademark in
distinguishing their goods and services in the marketplace. Trade
dress can be protected under the federal trademark laws and, in some
cases, registered with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office."

[Jkpoulos7]

>The ones that are rebuildable?
>The ones that actually are made to fit human hands?
>

Shifters last so long rebuildability is moot. Ten years or more down the line
I'll buy new Ultegras. What hands do Campy hoods fit. Not American man sized
hands then you have to worry about the thumb dshifter.

[Dick Durbin]

(Jkpoulos7) wrote in message >...
> >The ones that are rebuildable?
> >The ones that actually are made to fit human hands?
> >
>
> Shifters last so long rebuildability is moot. Ten years or more down the line
> I'll buy new Ultegras.

Depends on how much you ride. I couldn't put up with the rattling for
ten years.

>What hands do Campy hoods fit. Not American man sized
> hands then you have to worry about the thumb dshifter.

My Kentucky-born hands are about as American as it gets and the Campy
shifters fit them just fine, thank you. How in the world are you
holding the hoods that the thumb-shifter gets in your way. It is near
the bar, at the back of the brake hood. Unless you have really
strange hands or some odd way of placing your hands on the hoods, I
can't imagine how the shifter would get in the way.

Dick Durbin