[OT] AlJazeera in USA

[Davey Crockett]

Davey saw a report somewhere that AJ is not carried by any US
cable/satellite service provider

This was referring specifically to the recently introduced English
language broadcasts, not to the Arabic News and Kids channels

Anybody know if this is in fact so?

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[Kurgan Gringioni]

Davey Crockett wrote:
> Davey saw a report somewhere that AJ is not carried by any US
> cable/satellite service provider
>
> This was referring specifically to the recently introduced English
> language broadcasts, not to the Arabic News and Kids channels
>
> Anybody know if this is in fact so?



I think it's true.

In the long run, the corporate censorship won't matter. The 'net and TV
will eventually be the same thing.

[Davey Crockett]

"Kurgan Gringioni" > writes:

> Davey Crockett wrote:
> > Davey saw a report somewhere that AJ is not carried by any US
> > cable/satellite service provider
> >
> > This was referring specifically to the recently introduced English
> > language broadcasts, not to the Arabic News and Kids channels
> >
> > Anybody know if this is in fact so?
>
>
>
> I think it's true.
>
> In the long run, the corporate censorship won't matter. The 'net and TV
> will eventually be the same thing.
>

Thanks, I was just interested

Interestingly enough, it really isn't very hard line

But a few minutes ago they polled a few reporters for Man of The Year.
Jimmy Carter and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad were favoured

And amost unanimously Donald Rumstead was nominated for villain

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Davey Crockett wrote:
> Davey saw a report somewhere that AJ is not carried by any US
> cable/satellite service provider
>
> This was referring specifically to the recently introduced English
> language broadcasts, not to the Arabic News and Kids channels
>
> Anybody know if this is in fact so?

I believe only a few small town cable systems carry Aljazeera English.
The main satellite and cable TV providers refuse to do so - jewish
controlled.

However, it is available over the continent on two satellites,
free-to-air - one on C-band (the big ugly dish) and one on Ku band. I
specifically installed a system just to get AJE. It is far superior to
the typical N. American trash that is readily available and better than
BBC World.

If it was readily available to Americans and Canadians it would become
the news channel of choice to a large number of the viewers. It is also
available at 50 kb download speed at
http://europarse.real.com/hurl/gratishurl.ram?pid=eu_aljazeera&file=al_jazeera_en_lo.rm

Notice, that seems to be a European site.

[Davey Crockett]

writes:


> I believe only a few small town cable systems carry Aljazeera English.
> The main satellite and cable TV providers refuse to do so - jewish
> controlled.

Well perhaps, but the money angle is possibly a more cogent
reason. Given that it does seem to be a reasonably balanced
broadcaster, AlJ would become quite popular and draw signifiant
amounts of advertizing revenues away from the established Talking
Heads news broadcast channels

>
> However, it is available over the continent on two satellites,
> free-to-air - one on C-band (the big ugly dish) and one on Ku band. I
> specifically installed a system just to get AJE. It is far superior to
> the typical N. American trash that is readily available and better than
> BBC World.

>
> If it was readily available to Americans and Canadians it would become
> the news channel of choice to a large number of the viewers. It is also
> available at 50 kb download speed at
> http://europarse.real.com/hurl/gratishurl.ram?pid=eu_aljazeera&file=al_jazeera_en_lo.rm

That's good to know and possibly of interest to some RBR denizens

Actually Davey gets Television as a no charge extra to his ISP service, and
free telephone service too to many countries, with cell subscribers
available too in Canada and USA, just having changed from Wanadoo to
Free here in France

All in all though television is a novel medium since Davey refused to
have a television for the last 30 years or so. But of the English news
that is available to him, AlJ is certainly his fave so far and there
are many available, even a Chinese channel, in addition to SKY, CNN,
BBC-World etc

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[ilan]

Davey Crockett wrote:
> writes:
>
>
> > I believe only a few small town cable systems carry Aljazeera English.
> > The main satellite and cable TV providers refuse to do so - jewish
> > controlled.
>
> Well perhaps,

I forget who said: "The road to Auschwiz was paved with indifference"
but it seems to
apply here. Do I win the Godwin prize? I have an excuse, I just
finished a continuous 2 hour home trainer session.

-ilan

[John Forrest Tomlinson]

On 22 Dec 2006 19:35:14 +0100, Davey Crockett
> wrote:

>Davey saw a report somewhere that AJ is not carried by any US
>cable/satellite service provider
>
>This was referring specifically to the recently introduced English
>language broadcasts, not to the Arabic News and Kids channels
>
>Anybody know if this is in fact so?

I don't think it's on broadcast television but is available online.

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[John Forrest Tomlinson]

On 22 Dec 2006 21:10:36 +0100, Davey Crockett
> wrote:

writes:
>
>
>> I believe only a few small town cable systems carry Aljazeera English.
>> The main satellite and cable TV providers refuse to do so - jewish
>> controlled.
>
>Well perhaps, but the money angle is possibly a more cogent
>reason. Given that it does seem to be a reasonably balanced
>broadcaster, AlJ would become quite popular and draw signifiant
>amounts of advertizing revenues away from the established Talking
>Heads news broadcast channels

Ditto that. Plus there is an inherent political conservatism in US
big business that resists the showing of other world views.
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[Kurgan Gringioni]

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:

> Ditto that. Plus there is an inherent political conservatism in US
> big business that resists the showing of other world views.



Dumbass -


It's not profitable for the corporations to let in the idea that
buying, owning and consuming ever larger amounts of "stuff" won't
necessarily make one happy.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

[Bill C]

We've got the corporate Jewish media conspiracy to rule the US media,
notwithstanding Ted Turners bankrolling leftist/anarchist groups. We've
got support for a channel whose viewers, kool-aid drinkers, are leaning
towards an Iranian leader who says the Holocaust never happened, and
openly calls for the extermination of Israel, sweet!
With any luck y'all can be part of a leftist utopia like Cuba with
it's sterling human rights and political freedom record.
Then people keep laughing at me for being worried about Chavez. I
guess the fact that he is trying to form a theocracy along the lines of
the one in Iran, combined with radical revolutionary socialism, tons of
money, and massive Russian and Chinese weapons purcahes mean a Nobel
peace prize for him and stability for the region.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,238015,00.html
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=8276
More other places.
Several of you were screaming about a coming Bush led Theocracy while
defending Chavez as harmless. Slightly screwed glasses on your part,
but the committed never met a scumbag they couldn't excuse and support
no matter what. At least the right admits, once in a while, that their
people are scumbags, as opposed to those who still insist Castro,
Chavez, Geuverra, Ortega, etc... are Mother Theresa.
Get your Grand Mufti Husseini SS battalion/Castro/Gueverra/Chavez
Cycling team jersies here. Say **** you to the great corporate fascist
right wing conspiracy.
Bill C

[Howard Kveck]

In article . com>,
wrote:

> Davey Crockett wrote:
> > Davey saw a report somewhere that AJ is not carried by any US
> > cable/satellite service provider
> >
> > This was referring specifically to the recently introduced English
> > language broadcasts, not to the Arabic News and Kids channels
> >
> > Anybody know if this is in fact so?
>
> I believe only a few small town cable systems carry Aljazeera English.
> The main satellite and cable TV providers refuse to do so - jewish
> controlled.

The lack of availability is much more a function of it not being "patriotically
correct" at the moment. When advertisers feel it won't kill their business via
potential boycotts, then they will start buying time. At the moment, Al Jazeera has
been painted by the Bush admin. and it's enablers in the oh-so-compliant media as
the most evil network on the planet.

If you watch Al Jazeera, then the terrorists will have won!

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Never take a tenant with a monkey.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

[Bill C]

On Dec 22, 6:53 pm, "Bill C" > wrote:
> We've got the corporate Jewish media conspiracy to rule the US media,
> notwithstanding Ted Turners bankrolling leftist/anarchist groups. We've
> got support for a channel whose viewers, kool-aid drinkers, are leaning
> towards an Iranian leader who says the Holocaust never happened, and
> openly calls for the extermination of Israel, sweet!
> With any luck y'all can be part of a leftist utopia like Cuba with
> it's sterling human rights and political freedom record.
> Then people keep laughing at me for being worried about Chavez. I
> guess the fact that he is trying to form a theocracy along the lines of
> the one in Iran, combined with radical revolutionary socialism, tons of
> money, and massive Russian and Chinese weapons purcahes mean a Nobel
> peace prize for him and stability for the region.
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,238015,00.htmlhttp://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=8276
> More other places.
> Several of you were screaming about a coming Bush led Theocracy while
> defending Chavez as harmless. Slightly screwed glasses on your part,
> but the committed never met a scumbag they couldn't excuse and support
> no matter what. At least the right admits, once in a while, that their
> people are scumbags, as opposed to those who still insist Castro,
> Chavez, Geuverra, Ortega, etc... are Mother Theresa.
> Get your Grand Mufti Husseini SS battalion/Castro/Gueverra/Chavez
> Cycling team jersies here. Say **** you to the great corporate fascist
> right wing conspiracy.
> Bill C

After that rant we've got this:
http://www.forward.com/articles/merry-christmas-now-die/

Quoted:

Last year superstore chain Wal-Mart enraged religious conservatives by
instructing employees to wish customers "Happy Holidays." Well,
'tis the season to be jolly - Wal-Mart switched back to "Merry
Christmas" and now Christian conservatives are happy.

This year it is liberals who are protesting - over Wal-Mart's
decision to stock on its shelves the Evangelical video game "Left
Behind: Eternal Forces." Based on the best-selling "Left Behind"
books, the game's plotline begins after the Rapture, in that den of
sin known as New York City. The player is a member of the newly
faithful who must convert or kill evil nonbelievers who are led by the
leader of a United Nations-like organization, who, by the way, also
happens to be the anti-Christ.

Some of the religious conservatives who fought in the front lines in
the war on the "War on Christmas" are commending the sale of the
game as educational and wholesome - despite often being the first to
condemn "dangerous" violent video games. "Eternal Forces is the
kind of game that Mom and Dad can actually play with Junior,"
declared Pluggedin.com, an entertainment Web site run by Focus on the
Family, a prominent right-wing Christian organization.


Un****ingbelievable!
Makes you think ALL humans suck.
Bill C

[Bill C]

On Dec 22, 8:08 pm, "Bill C" > wrote:
> On Dec 22, 6:53 pm, "Bill C" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > We've got the corporate Jewish media conspiracy to rule the US media,
> > notwithstanding Ted Turners bankrolling leftist/anarchist groups. We've
> > got support for a channel whose viewers, kool-aid drinkers, are leaning
> > towards an Iranian leader who says the Holocaust never happened, and
> > openly calls for the extermination of Israel, sweet!
> > With any luck y'all can be part of a leftist utopia like Cuba with
> > it's sterling human rights and political freedom record.
> > Then people keep laughing at me for being worried about Chavez. I
> > guess the fact that he is trying to form a theocracy along the lines of
> > the one in Iran, combined with radical revolutionary socialism, tons of
> > money, and massive Russian and Chinese weapons purcahes mean a Nobel
> > peace prize for him and stability for the region.
>
> >http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,238015,00.htmlhttp://www.catholic...
> > More other places.
> > Several of you were screaming about a coming Bush led Theocracy while
> > defending Chavez as harmless. Slightly screwed glasses on your part,
> > but the committed never met a scumbag they couldn't excuse and support
> > no matter what. At least the right admits, once in a while, that their
> > people are scumbags, as opposed to those who still insist Castro,
> > Chavez, Geuverra, Ortega, etc... are Mother Theresa.
> > Get your Grand Mufti Husseini SS battalion/Castro/Gueverra/Chavez
> > Cycling team jersies here. Say **** you to the great corporate fascist
> > right wing conspiracy.
> > Bill C After that rant we've got this:http://www.forward.com/articles/merry-christmas-now-die/
>
> Quoted:
>
> Last year superstore chain Wal-Mart enraged religious conservatives by
> instructing employees to wish customers "Happy Holidays." Well,
> 'tis the season to be jolly - Wal-Mart switched back to "Merry
> Christmas" and now Christian conservatives are happy.
>
> This year it is liberals who are protesting - over Wal-Mart's
> decision to stock on its shelves the Evangelical video game "Left
> Behind: Eternal Forces." Based on the best-selling "Left Behind"
> books, the game's plotline begins after the Rapture, in that den of
> sin known as New York City. The player is a member of the newly
> faithful who must convert or kill evil nonbelievers who are led by the
> leader of a United Nations-like organization, who, by the way, also
> happens to be the anti-Christ.
>
> Some of the religious conservatives who fought in the front lines in
> the war on the "War on Christmas" are commending the sale of the
> game as educational and wholesome - despite often being the first to
> condemn "dangerous" violent video games. "Eternal Forces is the
> kind of game that Mom and Dad can actually play with Junior,"
> declared Pluggedin.com, an entertainment Web site run by Focus on the
> Family, a prominent right-wing Christian organization.
>
> Un****ingbelievable!
> Makes you think ALL humans suck.
> Bill C- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -

Forgot to add this in:
http://www.cbc.ca/money/story/2006/12/22/exxonvaldezaward.html?ref=rss
BC

[John Forrest Tomlinson]

On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 17:49:54 -0500, John Forrest Tomlinson
> wrote:

>On 22 Dec 2006 21:10:36 +0100, Davey Crockett
> wrote:
>
writes:
>>
>>
>>> I believe only a few small town cable systems carry Aljazeera English.
>>> The main satellite and cable TV providers refuse to do so - jewish
>>> controlled.
>>
>>Well perhaps, but the money angle is possibly a more cogent
>>reason. Given that it does seem to be a reasonably balanced
>>broadcaster, AlJ would become quite popular and draw signifiant
>>amounts of advertizing revenues away from the established Talking
>>Heads news broadcast channels
>
>Ditto that. Plus there is an inherent political conservatism in US
>big business that resists the showing of other world views.

Just to clarify -- I'm saying ditto the money angle and don't agree
with the comment from k9i.

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[Davey Crockett]

"ilan" > writes:

> Davey Crockett wrote:
> > writes:
> >
> >
> > > I believe only a few small town cable systems carry Aljazeera English.
> > > The main satellite and cable TV providers refuse to do so - jewish
> > > controlled.
> >
> > Well perhaps,
>
> I forget who said: "The road to Auschwiz was paved with indifference"
> but it seems to
> apply here. Do I win the Godwin prize? I have an excuse, I just
> finished a continuous 2 hour home trainer session.
>

Only two hours?

Arbeit Macht Frei

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[Davey Crockett]

John Forrest Tomlinson > writes:

> On 22 Dec 2006 21:10:36 +0100, Davey Crockett
> > wrote:
>
> writes:
> >
> >
> >> I believe only a few small town cable systems carry Aljazeera English.
> >> The main satellite and cable TV providers refuse to do so - jewish
> >> controlled.
> >
> >Well perhaps, but the money angle is possibly a more cogent
> >reason. Given that it does seem to be a reasonably balanced
> >broadcaster, AlJ would become quite popular and draw signifiant
> >amounts of advertizing revenues away from the established Talking
> >Heads news broadcast channels
>
> Ditto that. Plus there is an inherent political conservatism in US
> big business that resists the showing of other world views.


CCTV9 also is a reasonably balanced chinese channel with internet
presence too

http://www.cctv-9.com/


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[Bill C]

On Dec 22, 8:48 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson >
wrote:
Just to clarify -- I'm saying ditto the money angle and don't agree
> with the comment from k9i.
>
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Hey JT
I've decided that I really like a combination of sources starting with
AFP, the CBC, and CNews.com. Between the three of them they seem to hit
a lot of wotld news that other sites and sources bury, and you seem to
get a closer to complete picture from the combination.
The BBC is usually the first thing I read, but it's terrible IMO, both
CNN and Fox are less slanted and more professional these days and the
BBC is better than the rest of the Brit stuff IMO.
Arabnews.com is OK, AlJ is generally OK.
Gotta be careful there because http://www.aljazeera.com/ is a heavily
censored terroist loving site, basically it IS what everyone say
"AlJazeera" is. The message boards here are brutally censored, but it's
fun to try and get around them. Real dialogue is totally impossible
though.

The actual AlJ is here http://english.aljazeera.net/News and like I
said pretty decent.
The Times syndicates stuff is wildly uneven IMO but worth reading
because liike the BBC it's considered as a leading source. The rest of
the NY papers aren't worth the trees they cut down to make the paper as
far as I can tell.

Reading both CNN and Fox helps for US stuff, but I don't have much
faith in either one due to editorial biasing. Together you can sort of
get a picture but it's easier and more accurate to get it from the
Canadians it seems.
Then there're all the "specialty" sites but that's a lot more slanted
reading time which does get you stories the others don't carry.
I particulary like http://www.jta.org/ for a Jewish/Israeli slant on
things. It offsets Arabnews, the Guardian, and AlJ pretty well.

Just some thoughts
Bill C

[Donald Munro]

Bill C wrote:
> We've got support for a channel whose viewers, kool-aid drinkers

Do you have any low kilojoule beer and kool-aid recipes ?

[Jack Hollis]

On 22 Dec 2006 14:56:59 -0800, "Kurgan Gringioni"
> wrote:

>
>It's not profitable for the corporations to let in the idea that
>buying, owning and consuming ever larger amounts of "stuff" won't
>necessarily make one happy.


As someone who grew up poor and have become relatively wealthy, I can
tell you that it's better to have money. There's nothing noble about
poverty.

[Kurgan Gringioni]

Jack Hollis wrote:
> On 22 Dec 2006 14:56:59 -0800, "Kurgan Gringioni"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >It's not profitable for the corporations to let in the idea that
> >buying, owning and consuming ever larger amounts of "stuff" won't
> >necessarily make one happy.
>
>
> As someone who grew up poor and have become relatively wealthy, I can
> tell you that it's better to have money. There's nothing noble about
> poverty.



Dumbass -

Studies have shown that, in this culture, socioeconomic status and
perceived "happiness" are not correlated. Of course it does not
necessarily apply to every individual case, but as a group, rich people
are no more happy than poor people.

Another group of studies by Mihaly Csikszentmihaly show that the people
who are the happiest are the ones who engage in activities and
professions that they enjoy. It's the doing that makes one happy, not
the buying.

It is possible to become wealthy *and* pursue a profession that one
enjoys. I personally believe that it's more likely that one has a
better chance of getting wealthy if one does that because if you enjoy
your profession, you'll probably be good at it and therefore you'll
rise to the top of your profession and make more $$$. The problem in
this culture is the message is propogated that *buying* makes one
happy, not doing. Too many people chase dollars in the belief that
working one's ass off in a job they don't enjoy will make them happy
when they can have that BMW in the driveway because of said job.
Unfortunately, simply buying stuff doesn't do it.

Your mileage may vary.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

[Bob Schwartz]

Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
> It is possible to become wealthy *and* pursue a profession that one
> enjoys. I personally believe that it's more likely that one has a
> better chance of getting wealthy if one does that because if you enjoy
> your profession, you'll probably be good at it and therefore you'll
> rise to the top of your profession and make more $$$. The problem in
> this culture is the message is propogated that *buying* makes one
> happy, not doing. Too many people chase dollars in the belief that
> working one's ass off in a job they don't enjoy will make them happy
> when they can have that BMW in the driveway because of said job.
> Unfortunately, simply buying stuff doesn't do it.

Dumbass,

It is your duty as a patriot to shop. Why do you hate America so?

Bob Schwartz

[Michael Press]

In article
om>,
"Bill C" > wrote:

> This year it is liberals who are protesting - over Wal-Mart's
> decision to stock on its shelves the Evangelical video game "Left
> Behind: Eternal Forces." Based on the best-selling "Left Behind"
> books, the game's plotline begins after the Rapture, in that den of
> sin known as New York City. The player is a member of the newly
> faithful who must convert or kill evil nonbelievers who are led by the
> leader of a United Nations-like organization, who, by the way, also
> happens to be the anti-Christ.

This is what I do not understand. They get the rapture
and bragging rights; but that is not enough. They get
to be the imps of hell tormenting the damned in NYC,
just because that damned are trying to get along. It is
not as if the DINYC are particularly interested in
ragging on the chosen. Live and let live. Would you
like to buy a watch? Real cheap.

--
Michael Press

[RonSonic]

On 22 Dec 2006 17:08:08 -0800, "Bill C" > wrote:

>
>
>On Dec 22, 6:53 pm, "Bill C" > wrote:
>> We've got the corporate Jewish media conspiracy to rule the US media,
>> notwithstanding Ted Turners bankrolling leftist/anarchist groups. We've
>> got support for a channel whose viewers, kool-aid drinkers, are leaning
>> towards an Iranian leader who says the Holocaust never happened, and
>> openly calls for the extermination of Israel, sweet!
>> With any luck y'all can be part of a leftist utopia like Cuba with
>> it's sterling human rights and political freedom record.
>> Then people keep laughing at me for being worried about Chavez. I
>> guess the fact that he is trying to form a theocracy along the lines of
>> the one in Iran, combined with radical revolutionary socialism, tons of
>> money, and massive Russian and Chinese weapons purcahes mean a Nobel
>> peace prize for him and stability for the region.
>>
>> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,238015,00.htmlhttp://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=8276
>> More other places.
>> Several of you were screaming about a coming Bush led Theocracy while
>> defending Chavez as harmless. Slightly screwed glasses on your part,
>> but the committed never met a scumbag they couldn't excuse and support
>> no matter what. At least the right admits, once in a while, that their
>> people are scumbags, as opposed to those who still insist Castro,
>> Chavez, Geuverra, Ortega, etc... are Mother Theresa.
>> Get your Grand Mufti Husseini SS battalion/Castro/Gueverra/Chavez
>> Cycling team jersies here. Say **** you to the great corporate fascist
>> right wing conspiracy.
>> Bill C
>
> After that rant we've got this:
>http://www.forward.com/articles/merry-christmas-now-die/
>
>Quoted:
>
>Last year superstore chain Wal-Mart enraged religious conservatives by
>instructing employees to wish customers "Happy Holidays." Well,
>'tis the season to be jolly - Wal-Mart switched back to "Merry
>Christmas" and now Christian conservatives are happy.
>
>This year it is liberals who are protesting - over Wal-Mart's
>decision to stock on its shelves the Evangelical video game "Left
>Behind: Eternal Forces." Based on the best-selling "Left Behind"
>books, the game's plotline begins after the Rapture, in that den of
>sin known as New York City. The player is a member of the newly
>faithful who must convert or kill evil nonbelievers who are led by the
>leader of a United Nations-like organization, who, by the way, also
>happens to be the anti-Christ.
>
>Some of the religious conservatives who fought in the front lines in
>the war on the "War on Christmas" are commending the sale of the
>game as educational and wholesome - despite often being the first to
>condemn "dangerous" violent video games. "Eternal Forces is the
>kind of game that Mom and Dad can actually play with Junior,"
>declared Pluggedin.com, an entertainment Web site run by Focus on the
>Family, a prominent right-wing Christian organization.
>
>
>Un****ingbelievable!
> Makes you think ALL humans suck.

Are you just coming to that conclusion. I'm a rotten Christian, but a Christian,
nonetheless. A basic principle of my faith is that humans are ****ed up beyond
the power of any earthly force to remedy. Get used to it.

Ron

[Fred Fredburger]

Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
> Davey Crockett wrote:
>> Davey saw a report somewhere that AJ is not carried by any US
>> cable/satellite service provider
>>
>> This was referring specifically to the recently introduced English
>> language broadcasts, not to the Arabic News and Kids channels
>>
>> Anybody know if this is in fact so?
>
>
>
> I think it's true.
>
> In the long run, the corporate censorship won't matter. The 'net and TV
> will eventually be the same thing.
>

Which, I guess, is one more reason to be concerned about increasing
gov't/corporate control of the Internet.

[Fred Fredburger]

Bob Schwartz wrote:
> Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>> It is possible to become wealthy *and* pursue a profession that one
>> enjoys. I personally believe that it's more likely that one has a
>> better chance of getting wealthy if one does that because if you enjoy
>> your profession, you'll probably be good at it and therefore you'll
>> rise to the top of your profession and make more $$$. The problem in
>> this culture is the message is propogated that *buying* makes one
>> happy, not doing. Too many people chase dollars in the belief that
>> working one's ass off in a job they don't enjoy will make them happy
>> when they can have that BMW in the driveway because of said job.
>> Unfortunately, simply buying stuff doesn't do it.
>
> Dumbass,
>
> It is your duty as a patriot to shop. Why do you hate America so?
>
> Bob Schwartz

As proven by this radical, anti-American, Canadian group:
http://www.adbusters.org/home/

The invasion of Canada is imminent.

[Fred Fredburger]

RonSonic wrote:
> On 22 Dec 2006 17:08:08 -0800, "Bill C" > wrote:
>
>>
>> On Dec 22, 6:53 pm, "Bill C" > wrote:
>>> We've got the corporate Jewish media conspiracy to rule the US media,
>>> notwithstanding Ted Turners bankrolling leftist/anarchist groups. We've
>>> got support for a channel whose viewers, kool-aid drinkers, are leaning
>>> towards an Iranian leader who says the Holocaust never happened, and
>>> openly calls for the extermination of Israel, sweet!
>>> With any luck y'all can be part of a leftist utopia like Cuba with
>>> it's sterling human rights and political freedom record.
>>> Then people keep laughing at me for being worried about Chavez. I
>>> guess the fact that he is trying to form a theocracy along the lines of
>>> the one in Iran, combined with radical revolutionary socialism, tons of
>>> money, and massive Russian and Chinese weapons purcahes mean a Nobel
>>> peace prize for him and stability for the region.
>>>
>>> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,238015,00.htmlhttp://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=8276
>>> More other places.
>>> Several of you were screaming about a coming Bush led Theocracy while
>>> defending Chavez as harmless. Slightly screwed glasses on your part,
>>> but the committed never met a scumbag they couldn't excuse and support
>>> no matter what. At least the right admits, once in a while, that their
>>> people are scumbags, as opposed to those who still insist Castro,
>>> Chavez, Geuverra, Ortega, etc... are Mother Theresa.
>>> Get your Grand Mufti Husseini SS battalion/Castro/Gueverra/Chavez
>>> Cycling team jersies here. Say **** you to the great corporate fascist
>>> right wing conspiracy.
>>> Bill C
>> After that rant we've got this:
>> http://www.forward.com/articles/merry-christmas-now-die/
>>
>> Quoted:
>>
>> Last year superstore chain Wal-Mart enraged religious conservatives by
>> instructing employees to wish customers "Happy Holidays." Well,
>> 'tis the season to be jolly - Wal-Mart switched back to "Merry
>> Christmas" and now Christian conservatives are happy.
>>
>> This year it is liberals who are protesting - over Wal-Mart's
>> decision to stock on its shelves the Evangelical video game "Left
>> Behind: Eternal Forces." Based on the best-selling "Left Behind"
>> books, the game's plotline begins after the Rapture, in that den of
>> sin known as New York City. The player is a member of the newly
>> faithful who must convert or kill evil nonbelievers who are led by the
>> leader of a United Nations-like organization, who, by the way, also
>> happens to be the anti-Christ.
>>
>> Some of the religious conservatives who fought in the front lines in
>> the war on the "War on Christmas" are commending the sale of the
>> game as educational and wholesome - despite often being the first to
>> condemn "dangerous" violent video games. "Eternal Forces is the
>> kind of game that Mom and Dad can actually play with Junior,"
>> declared Pluggedin.com, an entertainment Web site run by Focus on the
>> Family, a prominent right-wing Christian organization.
>>
>>
>> Un****ingbelievable!
>> Makes you think ALL humans suck.
>
> Are you just coming to that conclusion. I'm a rotten Christian, but a Christian,
> nonetheless. A basic principle of my faith is that humans are ****ed up beyond
> the power of any earthly force to remedy. Get used to it.
>
> Ron
>

You should read the gospels then. It has the recipe for fixing people.
"Go forth, teach and baptize", and all that. THAT's what this game is
about, not being "****ed up". That's also the emphasis of a lot (most?)
of Christian churches. They emphasize this because, while it's easy to
deal with Humanity generally being "****ed up", we all know that we,
personally, certainly are not.

[Bill C]

On Dec 24, 11:17 am, RonSonic > wrote:
Are you just coming to that conclusion. I'm a rotten Christian, but a
Christian,
> nonetheless. A basic principle of my faith is that humans are ****ed up beyond
> the power of any earthly force to remedy. Get used to it.
>
> Ron- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -

I spent about ten years after my brother washed up on a Ft. Lauderdale
beach with his head beat in due to his palying in the drug trade as the
nastiest, most cynical, don't give a **** if I die or anyone else does
for that matter type you'd ever hate to meet.
Think, trading sports for motorcycles, alcohol, and not giving a ****.
I lived to 25 to the absolute shock of myself and everyone else who
knew me. That was pure **** luck, or some sort of god really does love
idiots.
I still have an incredibly low opinion of most of the planet but have
found tons of friends who give a **** and are great people, but when it
comes to evaluating any situation I see the worst case, plan for it,
talk about it, then work for the best, and expect something in between.
Just call me Pollyanna with an attitude.
Bill C

[Michael Press]

In article
. com>
,
"Bill C" > wrote:

> I still have an incredibly low opinion of most of the planet but have
> found tons of friends who give a **** and are great people, but when it
> comes to evaluating any situation I see the worst case, plan for it,
> talk about it, then work for the best, and expect something in between.

Me too. I am prepared for the best outcome. Having an
ideal in mind gives me direction. Trust in Allah, but
tie your camel first.

--
Michael Press