What's the brightest dynamo light?

[Gooserider]

I currently use a DiNotte Ultralight, which is a super light. It's bright
and well designed. I would like to try a dynamo hub on my next bike, and I
don't know what the hot light setup is. I would not have a problem running
two dynamo headlights, as I want the most light I can get. The Shimano
dynohub would be my choice. I know the Schmidt SON is awesome, but it's also
three hundred bucks, which is three times the Shimano. So, what light(s)
shouId I choose to get the most light?

Mike

[[email protected]]

Gooserider wrote:
> I currently use a DiNotte Ultralight, which is a super light. It's bright
> and well designed. I would like to try a dynamo hub on my next bike, and I
> don't know what the hot light setup is. I would not have a problem running
> two dynamo headlights, as I want the most light I can get. The Shimano
> dynohub would be my choice. I know the Schmidt SON is awesome, but it's also
> three hundred bucks, which is three times the Shimano. So, what light(s)
> shouId I choose to get the most light?

Hmm. It may be that your question needs rephrasing.

Technically, the amount of light (i.e. lumens) you get will be
determined by the generator and the bulb (unless you're considering a
generator powered LED lamp). Where that light goes is determined by
the lamp's optics. I suppose that's what you're really asking about.

In general, the tighter the beam's focus, the brighter the illumination
of the roadway. But you don't want one tiny spot of super-bright
light. You need a beam of reasonable width and reasonable vertical
height. But with a limited light source, you can't spread the beam too
far, or you'll be too dim. So perhaps what you want to ask is "which
lamp is bright enough and wide enough for my riding application?"

One subtle point is that it's good to have the top of the beam bright
and the bottom dimmer. This lets you see far enough down the road
without having your vision washed out by an extra-bright road surface
close to the bike.

Anyway, some beam pattern photos are at these two sites:

http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/headlights.asp

and

http://www.fa-technik.adfc.de/Komponenten/Scheinwerfer/vergleich.htm

- Frank Krygowski

[Dane Buson]

Gooserider > wrote:
> I currently use a DiNotte Ultralight, which is a super light. It's bright
> and well designed. I would like to try a dynamo hub on my next bike, and I
> don't know what the hot light setup is. I would not have a problem running
> two dynamo headlights, as I want the most light I can get. The Shimano
> dynohub would be my choice. I know the Schmidt SON is awesome, but it's also
> three hundred bucks, which is three times the Shimano. So, what light(s)
> shouId I choose to get the most light?

I like the Lumotec Oval Senso Plus with my dynohub. But that's not
quite the question you asked. If you want the *brightest* dyno-light,
you want the Solidlights 1203D:

http://www.solidlights.co.uk/products/1203d.php

Of course, the price might be a small disincentive. *cough* 145 GBP
*cough* plus shipping.

Really, I think a good 3W light + a front blinky is probably the best
combination IMHO. But, one day...

--
Dane Buson -
Death before dishonor. But neither before breakfast.

[mark]

Gooserider wrote:
> I currently use a DiNotte Ultralight, which is a super light. It's bright
> and well designed. I would like to try a dynamo hub on my next bike, and I
> don't know what the hot light setup is. I would not have a problem running
> two dynamo headlights, as I want the most light I can get. The Shimano
> dynohub would be my choice. I know the Schmidt SON is awesome, but it's also
> three hundred bucks, which is three times the Shimano. So, what light(s)
> shouId I choose to get the most light?
>
> Mike
>
>
The SON is $245 at www.peterwhitecycles.com, compared to $90 for the
Shimano 3N-71. So things aren't quite as bad as you make them out to be.

I bought a Shimano 3N-71 a little over a year ago, and I've been real
happy with it. I use it for commuting and I put it on my bike for a 2
week tour in Italy last May. I'm considering setting up my road bike for
brevets this summer, though, and the SON would be nice for that. It's
sl;ightly more efficient than the Shimano, lighter, and has less rolling
resistance than the Shimano when the lights are turned off.

mark

[Tom Schmitz]

Gooserider wrote:
> I currently use a DiNotte Ultralight, which is a super light. It's bright
> and well designed. I would like to try a dynamo hub on my next bike, and I
> don't know what the hot light setup is. I would not have a problem running
> two dynamo headlights, as I want the most light I can get. The Shimano
> dynohub would be my choice. I know the Schmidt SON is awesome, but it's also
> three hundred bucks, which is three times the Shimano. So, what light(s)
> shouId I choose to get the most light?
>
> Mike
>
>
Hi -

I like the BiSy lamps. They have a nice rectangular pattern that is
brighter at the top, which help a bit with the long range.

I have two mounted on the front of my commuter bike - see here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/34424013@N00/343394431/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/34424013@N00/343394427/

One is used as a main beam, the other as a high beam by focusing it a
bit further down the road.

While I take credit for the construction, I shamelessly stole the design
from Tim McNamara.

Regards,

Tom

[[email protected]]

I have the newer SON & 2 of the new Shimano generator hubs. (DH-3d71
DH-3n71)
SON on a 650 roadie wheel, 1 on a 26" mtb wheel, 1 on a 700c roadie
wheel.
They put out a simliar amount of power. The shimano is reported to
have a little more drag but I can't tell when riding. The total drag
is pretty much unnoticiable. Consider the electric 'drag' is 3 watts,
plus maybe 1 or 2 more watts for losses. Compare that to the 100+
watts you are putting out a a slow riding speed. Racing watts could
approach 500. 3 watts is pretty minor.

the headlight light is what matters.

I have the Shimano LPR 600? , I don't recommend it. The beam is way
too dispersed, it has a second white led that flickers a low speeds
within your vield of view and gets brighter as you increase speed. The
lense wraps around the top and transmits more light into your field of
view. This destroys your night vision.

Generator lights need a voltage regulator (Zenor diode) to prevent
burning out the bulb at higher speeds. So you can use any light if you
add the diode. Generator specific headlights have those diodes built
in.

the big advantage of a generator is it always works. No dead batteries
miles from home.

The down side is no light at the stop lights/signs. Add a small white
flashing led to the handle bars for in town visability.


Rick

Tom Schmitz wrote:
> Gooserider wrote:
> > I currently use a DiNotte Ultralight, which is a super light. It's bright
> > and well designed. I would like to try a dynamo hub on my next bike, and I
> > don't know what the hot light setup is. I would not have a problem running
> > two dynamo headlights, as I want the most light I can get. The Shimano
> > dynohub would be my choice. I know the Schmidt SON is awesome, but it's also
> > three hundred bucks, which is three times the Shimano. So, what light(s)
> > shouId I choose to get the most light?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> Hi -
>
> I like the BiSy lamps. They have a nice rectangular pattern that is
> brighter at the top, which help a bit with the long range.
>
> I have two mounted on the front of my commuter bike - see here:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/34424013@N00/343394431/
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/34424013@N00/343394427/
>
> One is used as a main beam, the other as a high beam by focusing it a
> bit further down the road.
>
> While I take credit for the construction, I shamelessly stole the design
> from Tim McNamara.
>
> Regards,
>
> Tom

[Will]

Gooserider wrote:
> I currently use a DiNotte Ultralight, which is a super light. It's bright
> and well designed. I would like to try a dynamo hub on my next bike, and I
> don't know what the hot light setup is. I would not have a problem running
> two dynamo headlights, as I want the most light I can get. The Shimano
> dynohub would be my choice. I know the Schmidt SON is awesome, but it's also
> three hundred bucks, which is three times the Shimano. So, what light(s)
> shouId I choose to get the most light?
>
> Mike

I just installed 2 Busch and Mueller Dymotec 6's, Dlumotec LED
headlights and Dtoplights (rear) on my boy's bikes. Bought them from
Peter White Cyclery. I am very pleased with them. I choose the regular
6 instead of the lower resistance S6 but must say, the resistance is
negligible on the inexpensive 6. I highly recommend them. Whatever
brand you eventually go for, be sure to get lights that DO NOT GO OUT
when you stop pedaling. Not only is the feature nice for stoplights,
it's really nice for securing the bikes at night, finding keys and so
forth. Bottle generators have come a long way in the last few years.
Coupled with good LED lighting technology, they are surprisingly
bright. And there's no resistance for day riding. The LED lights, by
the way, fully power up at walking speed which is good, if you do a lot
of stop and start biking.

[Stephen Harding]

wrote:

> the big advantage of a generator is it always works. No dead batteries
> miles from home.
>
> The down side is no light at the stop lights/signs. Add a small white
> flashing led to the handle bars for in town visability.

The Lumotec Plus from Busch and Muller has a capacitor and LED
built into the light so there is a soft, yellowish glow while
you are stopped.

Not enough to see much with, but just enough to be seen.

The 2.4/3W bulbs produce quite ample light using a lense that
is brightest at the light top, projecting light in a narrow
pattern farther down the road.

I like it, and its cost won't break the bank.


SMH

[Stephen Harding]

Will wrote:

> I just installed 2 Busch and Mueller Dymotec 6's, Dlumotec LED
> headlights and Dtoplights (rear) on my boy's bikes. Bought them from
> Peter White Cyclery. I am very pleased with them. I choose the regular
> 6 instead of the lower resistance S6 but must say, the resistance is
> negligible on the inexpensive 6. I highly recommend them. Whatever

I have one of each and can't really tell the difference between
them as far as drag goes.

The Dymotec 6 does appear to be a bit noisier (sort of a whine)
than the S6 though.

I'm pleased with both.


SMH

[Will]

Stephen Harding wrote:

> I have one of each and can't really tell the difference between
> them as far as drag goes.

That is good to know...especially since the Dymotec S6 costs 3 times as
much as the 6. I was very surprised when I test rode the bikes. It was
really hard to tell the generators was riding the wheels.

The Lumotecs are great, though I expected that since Peter White's web
pages for lighting products are excellent and he's not shy about
offering advice.

[Stephen Harding]

Will wrote:

> The Lumotecs are great, though I expected that since Peter White's web
> pages for lighting products are excellent and he's not shy about
> offering advice.

I've done business w/ Peter on two occasions (each generator purchase)
and I have to say in all honesty, it wasn't really pleasant.

He comes across as a bit "crotchety". He knows his stuff; his web
pages are very informative; and both my orders were delivered
promptly and correctly, so I have no complaints on the business end
of my interaction with him.

It just wasn't very pleasant talking with him, but not so much so
that I won't do business with him again to get more of the Philips
3W light bulbs (can't find them anywhere else) and a couple spare
drive wheels for the generators.


SMH

[David Horwitt]

Stephen Harding wrote:
> Will wrote:
>
>> The Lumotecs are great, though I expected that since Peter White's web
>> pages for lighting products are excellent and he's not shy about
>> offering advice.
>
>
> I've done business w/ Peter on two occasions (each generator purchase)
> and I have to say in all honesty, it wasn't really pleasant.
>
> He comes across as a bit "crotchety". He knows his stuff; his web
> pages are very informative; and both my orders were delivered
> promptly and correctly, so I have no complaints on the business end
> of my interaction with him.
>
> It just wasn't very pleasant talking with him, but not so much so
> that I won't do business with him again to get more of the Philips
> 3W light bulbs (can't find them anywhere else) and a couple spare
> drive wheels for the generators.
>
>
_Exactly_ my experience as well (2 separate purchases, light & dynohub).
Cranky, but he can get away with it as he knows his stuff and runs a
good business.

The woman (his wife?) who I've dealt with on non-technical issues is very
pleasant.


DH