Another Mountain Biker Killed Practicing another Extreme Sport

[Mike Vandeman]

Freeride Entertainment's Carey Bokser perishes in backcountry
By Darren Davidson

The well-known and well-liked Carey Bokser (pictured here with infant
daughter, Noa) is mourned by the bike industry. We extend our
sympathies to Carey's family and to everyone at Freeride
Entertainment.


Family, friends and business associates are mourning the tragic loss
of a man well known in the international cycling and adventure sport
industries, following an accident high above Nelson B.C.¹s Whitewater
Resort, in late February.



Carey Bokser, senior production manager for Freeride Entertainment,
perished after a fall during a ski touring accident. The accident
happened shortly before 11:00 a.m., Saturday, Feb. 25, on a day marked
by mostly blue skies and great backcountry skiing following three days
of snowfall.



According to a Whitewater spokesperson, Carey and another skier were
beginning their descent on an expert out-of-bounds slope known as the
Hummer Face, above the resort¹s boundaries. Carey¹s ski caught on a
rock. He fell and tumbled down a cliff face. He died at the scene.



"It¹s an extreme area," says Whitewater¹s Anne Pigeon. "There¹s no
room for error up there."



The fall was witnessed by a number of people, including Whitewater
staff. The second skier, Freeride¹s Eric Crosland, was able to descend
safely.



"Two of our patrols were in Ymir Bowl doing a snow study, so they were
on the scene within about 12 minutes," Pigeon says. "They started to
administer first aid and CPR." The two patrols were joined by three
other patrollers shortly after. Nelson Search and Rescue were also
called, along with RCMP and a rescue helicopter.



Pigeon says due to the steep, difficult terrain, rescuers needed to
secure the site for the safety of patrollers who¹d gone up to help. It
took almost three hours to fly Carey from the scene of the crash to an
ambulance waiting at Whitewater¹s base. He was then transported to
Nelson¹s Kootenay Lake Hospital.



"They did everything they could, everything possible," says Pigeon.
"We¹re very, very sad," she adds. "Carey and his family are great
community members and well liked. Our heartfelt condolences go out to
his wife and daughter." "This touches home so closely when it¹s
somebody we all know," Pigeon says.



Carey, 33, was a husband and father.



"Carey was the true center of the Freeride universe and will be missed
by all," says Freeride owner and founder Derek Westerlund. "None more
then his beautiful wife, Anne, and his 10 month-old baby girl, Noa."



"This has certainly changed a lot of things at our company and in the
action sports community," Westerlund says. "These are difficult times
and we hope that everybody can stick with us in the coming weeks while
we get on top of things and adjust to life without Carey."



Nelson artist and Freeride associate Scott Dickson, who knew Carey for
14 years, says his close friend was a true character.



"A colourful character," Dickson adds, chuckling. "He brought a lot of
personality to his business dealings, and I¹m sure he made a lasting
impression on every guy that talked with him or worked with him."



Originally from Toronto, Carey moved to Nelson from Vancouver in the
summer of 1995. He was a skilled, experienced backcountry skier and
mountain biker, with a renowned penchant for grueling uphills and
hair-raising, no-stop descents.



Carey worked in a number of Nelson¹s outdoor gear shops including
Gericks and The Sacred Ride, before moving to mountain biking
wholesale distributors NRG Enterprises, where he became a fixture in
the Western Canadian adventure-sport retail sector as an NRG sales
rep.



Carey started his new career with Freeride four years ago, where he¹d
excelled as production manager and producer on the company¹s numerous
national and international events, films and TV projects.



"A guy who¹s that much of a man will leave a big space behind. But
you¹ll never forget him because of the guy he was," Dickson says. "He
had a very sweet heart. He loved his wife. And he loved his daughter."



Carey was laid to rest Wednesday, Mar. 1. He was eulogized by long
time friends Mitchell Scott and Mike Seniuk.



For those wanting to make donations in Carey¹s name, there are two
places to forward funds: Donations for his daughter Noa Bokser can be
dropped of or mailed to the CIBC, 459 Baker Street, Nelson, B.C,
V1L-4H7. Donations can also be made to the Lion¹s Spray Park by
contacting Rick Crozier at 1-250-352-9771.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

[Ist-e Mundus, Furia bundus]

"Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
...
> Freeride Entertainment's Carey Bokser perishes in backcountry
> By Darren Davidson
>
> The well-known and well-liked Carey Bokser (pictured here with infant
> daughter, Noa) is mourned by the bike industry. We extend our
> sympathies to Carey's family and to everyone at Freeride
> Entertainment.
>
>
> Family, friends and business associates are mourning the tragic loss
> of a man well known in the international cycling and adventure sport
> industries, following an accident high above Nelson B.C.¹s Whitewater
> Resort, in late February.
>
>
>
> Carey Bokser, senior production manager for Freeride Entertainment,
> perished after a fall during a ski touring accident. The accident
> happened shortly before 11:00 a.m., Saturday, Feb. 25, on a day marked
> by mostly blue skies and great backcountry skiing following three days
> of snowfall.
>
>
>
> According to a Whitewater spokesperson, Carey and another skier were
> beginning their descent on an expert out-of-bounds slope known as the
> Hummer Face, above the resort¹s boundaries. Carey¹s ski caught on a
> rock. He fell and tumbled down a cliff face. He died at the scene.
>
>
>
> "It¹s an extreme area," says Whitewater¹s Anne Pigeon. "There¹s no
> room for error up there."
>
>
>
> The fall was witnessed by a number of people, including Whitewater
> staff. The second skier, Freeride¹s Eric Crosland, was able to descend
> safely.
>
>
>
> "Two of our patrols were in Ymir Bowl doing a snow study, so they were
> on the scene within about 12 minutes," Pigeon says. "They started to
> administer first aid and CPR." The two patrols were joined by three
> other patrollers shortly after. Nelson Search and Rescue were also
> called, along with RCMP and a rescue helicopter.
>
>
>
> Pigeon says due to the steep, difficult terrain, rescuers needed to
> secure the site for the safety of patrollers who¹d gone up to help. It
> took almost three hours to fly Carey from the scene of the crash to an
> ambulance waiting at Whitewater¹s base. He was then transported to
> Nelson¹s Kootenay Lake Hospital.
>
>
>
> "They did everything they could, everything possible," says Pigeon.
> "We¹re very, very sad," she adds. "Carey and his family are great
> community members and well liked. Our heartfelt condolences go out to
> his wife and daughter." "This touches home so closely when it¹s
> somebody we all know," Pigeon says.
>
>
>
> Carey, 33, was a husband and father.
>
>
>
> "Carey was the true center of the Freeride universe and will be missed
> by all," says Freeride owner and founder Derek Westerlund. "None more
> then his beautiful wife, Anne, and his 10 month-old baby girl, Noa."
>
>
>
> "This has certainly changed a lot of things at our company and in the
> action sports community," Westerlund says. "These are difficult times
> and we hope that everybody can stick with us in the coming weeks while
> we get on top of things and adjust to life without Carey."
>
>
>
> Nelson artist and Freeride associate Scott Dickson, who knew Carey for
> 14 years, says his close friend was a true character.
>
>
>
> "A colourful character," Dickson adds, chuckling. "He brought a lot of
> personality to his business dealings, and I¹m sure he made a lasting
> impression on every guy that talked with him or worked with him."
>
>
>
> Originally from Toronto, Carey moved to Nelson from Vancouver in the
> summer of 1995. He was a skilled, experienced backcountry skier and
> mountain biker, with a renowned penchant for grueling uphills and
> hair-raising, no-stop descents.
>
>
>
> Carey worked in a number of Nelson¹s outdoor gear shops including
> Gericks and The Sacred Ride, before moving to mountain biking
> wholesale distributors NRG Enterprises, where he became a fixture in
> the Western Canadian adventure-sport retail sector as an NRG sales
> rep.
>
>
>
> Carey started his new career with Freeride four years ago, where he¹d
> excelled as production manager and producer on the company¹s numerous
> national and international events, films and TV projects.
>
>
>
> "A guy who¹s that much of a man will leave a big space behind. But
> you¹ll never forget him because of the guy he was," Dickson says. "He
> had a very sweet heart. He loved his wife. And he loved his daughter."
>
>
>
> Carey was laid to rest Wednesday, Mar. 1. He was eulogized by long
> time friends Mitchell Scott and Mike Seniuk.
>
>
>
> For those wanting to make donations in Carey¹s name, there are two
> places to forward funds: Donations for his daughter Noa Bokser can be
> dropped of or mailed to the CIBC, 459 Baker Street, Nelson, B.C,
> V1L-4H7. Donations can also be made to the Lion¹s Spray Park by
> contacting Rick Crozier at 1-250-352-9771.
> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
> fond of!
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

And the point of this post is....?

[cc]

Ist-e Mundus, Furia bundus wrote:
> "Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Freeride Entertainment's Carey Bokser perishes in backcountry
>> By Darren Davidson

>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>
> And the point of this post is....?
>

.....that mike is a sick ****.

[Mike Vandeman]

On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:58:58 -0700, "Ist-e Mundus, Furia bundus"
> wrote:

>
>"Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
...
>> Freeride Entertainment's Carey Bokser perishes in backcountry
>> By Darren Davidson
>>
>> The well-known and well-liked Carey Bokser (pictured here with infant
>> daughter, Noa) is mourned by the bike industry. We extend our
>> sympathies to Carey's family and to everyone at Freeride
>> Entertainment.
>>
>>
>> Family, friends and business associates are mourning the tragic loss
>> of a man well known in the international cycling and adventure sport
>> industries, following an accident high above Nelson B.C.¹s Whitewater
>> Resort, in late February.
>>
>>
>>
>> Carey Bokser, senior production manager for Freeride Entertainment,
>> perished after a fall during a ski touring accident. The accident
>> happened shortly before 11:00 a.m., Saturday, Feb. 25, on a day marked
>> by mostly blue skies and great backcountry skiing following three days
>> of snowfall.
>>
>>
>>
>> According to a Whitewater spokesperson, Carey and another skier were
>> beginning their descent on an expert out-of-bounds slope known as the
>> Hummer Face, above the resort¹s boundaries. Carey¹s ski caught on a
>> rock. He fell and tumbled down a cliff face. He died at the scene.
>>
>>
>>
>> "It¹s an extreme area," says Whitewater¹s Anne Pigeon. "There¹s no
>> room for error up there."
>>
>>
>>
>> The fall was witnessed by a number of people, including Whitewater
>> staff. The second skier, Freeride¹s Eric Crosland, was able to descend
>> safely.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Two of our patrols were in Ymir Bowl doing a snow study, so they were
>> on the scene within about 12 minutes," Pigeon says. "They started to
>> administer first aid and CPR." The two patrols were joined by three
>> other patrollers shortly after. Nelson Search and Rescue were also
>> called, along with RCMP and a rescue helicopter.
>>
>>
>>
>> Pigeon says due to the steep, difficult terrain, rescuers needed to
>> secure the site for the safety of patrollers who¹d gone up to help. It
>> took almost three hours to fly Carey from the scene of the crash to an
>> ambulance waiting at Whitewater¹s base. He was then transported to
>> Nelson¹s Kootenay Lake Hospital.
>>
>>
>>
>> "They did everything they could, everything possible," says Pigeon.
>> "We¹re very, very sad," she adds. "Carey and his family are great
>> community members and well liked. Our heartfelt condolences go out to
>> his wife and daughter." "This touches home so closely when it¹s
>> somebody we all know," Pigeon says.
>>
>>
>>
>> Carey, 33, was a husband and father.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Carey was the true center of the Freeride universe and will be missed
>> by all," says Freeride owner and founder Derek Westerlund. "None more
>> then his beautiful wife, Anne, and his 10 month-old baby girl, Noa."
>>
>>
>>
>> "This has certainly changed a lot of things at our company and in the
>> action sports community," Westerlund says. "These are difficult times
>> and we hope that everybody can stick with us in the coming weeks while
>> we get on top of things and adjust to life without Carey."
>>
>>
>>
>> Nelson artist and Freeride associate Scott Dickson, who knew Carey for
>> 14 years, says his close friend was a true character.
>>
>>
>>
>> "A colourful character," Dickson adds, chuckling. "He brought a lot of
>> personality to his business dealings, and I¹m sure he made a lasting
>> impression on every guy that talked with him or worked with him."
>>
>>
>>
>> Originally from Toronto, Carey moved to Nelson from Vancouver in the
>> summer of 1995. He was a skilled, experienced backcountry skier and
>> mountain biker, with a renowned penchant for grueling uphills and
>> hair-raising, no-stop descents.
>>
>>
>>
>> Carey worked in a number of Nelson¹s outdoor gear shops including
>> Gericks and The Sacred Ride, before moving to mountain biking
>> wholesale distributors NRG Enterprises, where he became a fixture in
>> the Western Canadian adventure-sport retail sector as an NRG sales
>> rep.
>>
>>
>>
>> Carey started his new career with Freeride four years ago, where he¹d
>> excelled as production manager and producer on the company¹s numerous
>> national and international events, films and TV projects.
>>
>>
>>
>> "A guy who¹s that much of a man will leave a big space behind. But
>> you¹ll never forget him because of the guy he was," Dickson says. "He
>> had a very sweet heart. He loved his wife. And he loved his daughter."
>>
>>
>>
>> Carey was laid to rest Wednesday, Mar. 1. He was eulogized by long
>> time friends Mitchell Scott and Mike Seniuk.
>>
>>
>>
>> For those wanting to make donations in Carey¹s name, there are two
>> places to forward funds: Donations for his daughter Noa Bokser can be
>> dropped of or mailed to the CIBC, 459 Baker Street, Nelson, B.C,
>> V1L-4H7. Donations can also be made to the Lion¹s Spray Park by
>> contacting Rick Crozier at 1-250-352-9771.
>> ===
>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>
>> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
>> fond of!
>>
>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>
>And the point of this post is....?
>
>

Ask your mommy to explain it for you.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

[Mike Vandeman]

On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:26:28 -0800, cc > wrote:

>Ist-e Mundus, Furia bundus wrote:
>> "Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Freeride Entertainment's Carey Bokser perishes in backcountry
>>> By Darren Davidson
>
>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>
>> And the point of this post is....?
>>
>
>....that mike is a sick ****.

Promoting extreme sports that regularly kill people is what is sick.
DUH!
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

[Mike Romain]

LOL! Mikey you are still the foole eh.

The poor soul should have stayed on his 'mountain bike' where he
obviously has been 'safe' for years instead of skiing eh.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Mike Vandeman wrote:
> Freeride Entertainment's Carey Bokser perishes in backcountry
> By Darren Davidson
>
<snip old story>

[Ist-e Mundus, Furia bundus]

"Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:58:58 -0700, "Ist-e Mundus, Furia bundus"
> > wrote:
>>
>>And the point of this post is....?
>>
>>
>
> Ask your mommy to explain it for you.

She said it is fruitless to argue with a fanatic or a lunatic. You are both.
Probably a bit of a fruitcake too, so I suppose fruitless is not literal.

You practice "extreme stupidity" and are a true ground breaker. We can all
only hope that you end up killing yourself in your extreme pursuit, and then
we can have a year long celebration on usenet!

"Ding, Dong, the twit is gone!!!!" ....

Ok, there's the first line to the official "MV is Dead" song, sung in unison
when you finally get eaten by a bear due to your extreme stupidity. Anyone
care to add to it?

[Andy H]

"Mike Vandeman" > spewed more sick ranting in message
...
>
Mikey, once again you excel in being one sick twisted little man.

Again 0/10 for another dull loathsome unoriginal posting.

[GaryG]

"Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
...

Do you get an erection when you post this kind of stuff, Mikey?

And what does your family think about your obsessions? Do they think you're
a "brave environmental warrior"? Or, (as seems much more likely) have they
recommended you seek treatment for mental illness?

GG

[Mike Vandeman]

On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:52:06 -0800, "GaryG" >
wrote:

>"Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
...
>
>Do you get an erection when you post this kind of stuff, Mikey?
>
>And what does your family think about your obsessions? Do they think you're
>a "brave environmental warrior"? Or, (as seems much more likely) have they
>recommended you seek treatment for mental illness?
>
>GG

Hmmm. I wonder who is crazier -- those who practice extremely
destructive activities, or those who oppose them? Isn't it obvious?
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

[pmh]

Mike Vandeman wrote:

Drivel, repetitious hogwash - oh! I repeat myself as does the great MV!

Away three months & the same old same old same old . . . .

[cc]

Ist-e Mundus, Furia bundus wrote:
> "Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:58:58 -0700, "Ist-e Mundus, Furia bundus"
>> > wrote:
>>> And the point of this post is....?
>>>
>>>
>> Ask your mommy to explain it for you.
>
> She said it is fruitless to argue with a fanatic or a lunatic. You are both.
> Probably a bit of a fruitcake too, so I suppose fruitless is not literal.
>
> You practice "extreme stupidity" and are a true ground breaker. We can all
> only hope that you end up killing yourself in your extreme pursuit, and then
> we can have a year long celebration on usenet!
>
> "Ding, Dong, the twit is gone!!!!" ....

Crack a brew, get out the bong ...

[Mike Romain]

pmh wrote:
> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>
> Drivel, repetitious hogwash - oh! I repeat myself as does the great MV!
>
> Away three months & the same old same old same old . . . .

LOL! Months????

Man he has been on the same soapbox since he got let out of the asylum
years ago. He got soo stoned back in the psychedelic days he forgot to
come down so they finally let him out figuring he was basically harmless...

Mike

[Mike Vandeman]

On 20 Jan 2007 20:33:21 -0800, "pmh" > wrote:

>
>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>
>Drivel, repetitious hogwash - oh! I repeat myself as does the great MV!
>
>Away three months & the same old same old same old . . . .

People who don't remember the past are doomed to repeat it. I guess
mountain bikers are hopeless.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

[pmh]

Mike Romain wrote:
> pmh wrote:
> > Mike Vandeman wrote:
> >
> > Drivel, repetitious hogwash - oh! I repeat myself as does the great MV!
> >
> > Away three months & the same old same old same old . . . .
>
> LOL! Months????
>
Oh, I know, he's been this word-for-word idiot since I first discovered
this NG several years ago. For various reasons I'm absent for several
weeks or so, it's been more than once, but there's no change. And he
still tries to imply that I'm a mountain biker when I've repeatedly
stated I do not even know any muontain bikers at all.

And that "pure habitat" psychosis . . . . now joined by the cell phone
psychosis . . . . .

Mild-to-slow entertainment on an otherwise blustry winter's day. These
threads have always been full of sound & fury signifying nothing, but
it's too cold & windy outside just now. I'l take whatever amusement may
be had from the same old same old same old.

[[email protected]]

On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:26:28 -0800, cc > wrote:

>Ist-e Mundus, Furia bundus wrote:
>> "Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Freeride Entertainment's Carey Bokser perishes in backcountry
>>> By Darren Davidson
>
>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>
>> And the point of this post is....?
>>
>
>....that mike is a sick ****.

At one time I would have agreed with you. But after watching ATV'ers,
Snowmobilers, Mountain Bikers, destroy themselves and the environment,
I simply don't give a hoot when some idiot gets killed. Homo Sapiens
is not an endangered species.

Max

[RpJ]

"Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
...
> On 20 Jan 2007 20:33:21 -0800, "pmh" > wrote:
>
>>
>>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>
>>Drivel, repetitious hogwash - oh! I repeat myself as does the great MV!
>>
>>Away three months & the same old same old same old . . . .
>
> People who don't remember the past are doomed to repeat it. I guess
> mountain bikers are hopeless.


And I guess that is why you keep repeating it.

It surely sucks to be you.

[Jeff Strickland]

Gosh, should anybody be surprised that the poor ******* died doing something
other than biking?

Maybe if he stuck to riding his bike, he would be with us today.

It pains me to put in the luimp with morons because morons look intelligent
when compared to you. Jeez, Mike, this is a new low. Just when I thought
there were no new lows ...

[Mike Vandeman]

On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:54:54 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
> wrote:

>Gosh, should anybody be surprised that the poor ******* died doing something
>other than biking?

It proves that mountain bikers have no sense whatsoever. They are
their own worst enemies.

>Maybe if he stuck to riding his bike, he would be with us today.
>
>It pains me to put in the luimp with morons because morons look intelligent
>when compared to you. Jeez, Mike, this is a new low. Just when I thought
>there were no new lows ...
>
>
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

[Mike Vandeman]

On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 14:43:05 -0700, wrote:

>On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:26:28 -0800, cc > wrote:
>
>>Ist-e Mundus, Furia bundus wrote:
>>> "Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Freeride Entertainment's Carey Bokser perishes in backcountry
>>>> By Darren Davidson
>>
>>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>>
>>> And the point of this post is....?
>>>
>>
>>....that mike is a sick ****.
>
>At one time I would have agreed with you. But after watching ATV'ers,
>Snowmobilers, Mountain Bikers, destroy themselves and the environment,
>I simply don't give a hoot when some idiot gets killed. Homo Sapiens
>is not an endangered species.
>
>Max

The mountain bikers wish I would shut up, so that, I guess, MORE
people will fooloshly kill themselves. Obviously, they don't care
about their own peers. They have done NOTHING to prevent deaths like
this. And they want to clainm that I'M the one who's callous?! Just
the opposite is true.....
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

[Jeff Strickland]

"Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:54:54 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
> > wrote:
>
>>Gosh, should anybody be surprised that the poor ******* died doing
>>something
>>other than biking?
>
> It proves that mountain bikers have no sense whatsoever. They are
> their own worst enemies.
>

It proves nothing of the sort. What it proves is, you are an idiot.

[S Curtiss]

"Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:54:54 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
> > wrote:
>
>>Gosh, should anybody be surprised that the poor ******* died doing
>>something
>>other than biking?
>
> It proves that mountain bikers have no sense whatsoever. They are
> their own worst enemies.
>
Explain the deaths or injuries of non-mountain bikers engaged in the same
activities. Some of them also are hikers.
Explain how you make the analogy of mountain bikers having "no sense
whatsoever" when it is not only "mountain bikers" that are injured in other
outdoor activities.
Explain how you only use mountain biker associated injuries or deaths and
exclude all others from similar circumstances.

Your OPINIONS cloud every statement and every post you make. That is why
your writings and presentations are not only a joke to off-road cycling, but
also a parady of everything scientific and environmental. We know it and
they (other REAL environmental advocates and researchers) know it. You are a
laughing stock.
Posts such as the one used to start this thread only brighten the
illumination on the fact of your scientific impotence.

[S Curtiss]

"Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 14:43:05 -0700, wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:26:28 -0800, cc > wrote:
>>
>>>Ist-e Mundus, Furia bundus wrote:
>>>> "Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Freeride Entertainment's Carey Bokser perishes in backcountry
>>>>> By Darren Davidson
>>>
>>>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>>>
>>>> And the point of this post is....?
>>>>
>>>
>>>....that mike is a sick ****.
>>
>>At one time I would have agreed with you. But after watching ATV'ers,
>>Snowmobilers, Mountain Bikers, destroy themselves and the environment,
>>I simply don't give a hoot when some idiot gets killed. Homo Sapiens
>>is not an endangered species.
>>
>>Max
>
> The mountain bikers wish I would shut up, so that, I guess, MORE
> people will fooloshly kill themselves. Obviously, they don't care
> about their own peers. They have done NOTHING to prevent deaths like
> this. And they want to clainm that I'M the one who's callous?! Just
> the opposite is true.....
Explain your logic in associating only mountain bikers to skiing accidents.
What of the accidents involving non-cyclists? Your post of nearly a year old
story concerning the death of someone skiing is callous and meaningless
beyond your own bias.
Where is the comparison of all injuries of skiers and their backgrounds?
Without that, you can make no link of mountain bikers involvement being any
more valid as a variable of cause.
By your logic, politicians do not care about their peers or killing
themselves since Sonny Bono died skiing.
Perhaps real numbers interest you:
"According to the National Ski Area Association (NSAA), 36 people died as a
result of ski related injuries last year, compared to an average of 89
lightning strike deaths."
This is from a '90s report but still relevant. Can you show that all 36
people were mountain bikers? What of the lightning strikes...? Were they
mountain bikers, too?
What is OBVIOUS is you are 100% an imbecile.

[pmh]

S Curtiss wrote:
> "Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:54:54 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
> > > wrote:
> >

He's perpetually on about the "pure habitat" psychosis & now has added
the cell phone psychosis. Other than adding a psychosis here or there,
he hasn't changed in years. That should tell the tale.

PH

[GaryG]

"Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:52:06 -0800, "GaryG" >
> wrote:
>
> >"Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >Do you get an erection when you post this kind of stuff, Mikey?
> >
> >And what does your family think about your obsessions? Do they think
you're
> >a "brave environmental warrior"? Or, (as seems much more likely) have
they
> >recommended you seek treatment for mental illness?
> >
> >GG
>
> Hmmm. I wonder who is crazier -- those who practice extremely
> destructive activities, or those who oppose them? Isn't it obvious?

Your failure to address these simple questions speaks volumes about your
mental state, Mikey. What a sad, sick, lonely life you lead.

BTW - when was the last time you had sex (solo masturbation excluded)?

GG

> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
fond of!
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

[Mike Vandeman]

On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 21:59:37 -0500, "S Curtiss" >
wrote:

>
>"Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
...
>> On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:54:54 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>Gosh, should anybody be surprised that the poor ******* died doing
>>>something
>>>other than biking?
>>
>> It proves that mountain bikers have no sense whatsoever. They are
>> their own worst enemies.
>>
>Explain the deaths or injuries of non-mountain bikers engaged in the same
>activities. Some of them also are hikers.
>Explain how you make the analogy of mountain bikers having "no sense
>whatsoever" when it is not only "mountain bikers" that are injured in other
>outdoor activities.
>Explain how you only use mountain biker associated injuries or deaths and
>exclude all others from similar circumstances.
>
>Your OPINIONS cloud every statement and every post you make. That is why
>your writings and presentations are not only a joke to off-road cycling, but
>also a parady of everything scientific and environmental. We know it and
>they (other REAL environmental advocates and researchers) know it. You are a
>laughing stock.
>Posts such as the one used to start this thread only brighten the
>illumination on the fact of your scientific impotence.

Why would you want to try to shut me up, when (1) you can't, and (2) I
am helping protect mountain bikers from unnecessary deaths? You make
no sense whatsoever.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

[Mike Vandeman]

On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:18:19 -0500, "S Curtiss" >
wrote:

>
>"Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
...
>> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 14:43:05 -0700, wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:26:28 -0800, cc > wrote:
>>>
>>>>Ist-e Mundus, Furia bundus wrote:
>>>>> "Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> Freeride Entertainment's Carey Bokser perishes in backcountry
>>>>>> By Darren Davidson
>>>>
>>>>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>>>>
>>>>> And the point of this post is....?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>....that mike is a sick ****.
>>>
>>>At one time I would have agreed with you. But after watching ATV'ers,
>>>Snowmobilers, Mountain Bikers, destroy themselves and the environment,
>>>I simply don't give a hoot when some idiot gets killed. Homo Sapiens
>>>is not an endangered species.
>>>
>>>Max
>>
>> The mountain bikers wish I would shut up, so that, I guess, MORE
>> people will fooloshly kill themselves. Obviously, they don't care
>> about their own peers. They have done NOTHING to prevent deaths like
>> this. And they want to clainm that I'M the one who's callous?! Just
>> the opposite is true.....
>Explain your logic in associating only mountain bikers to skiing accidents.

Mountain bikers are NOTORIOUS for going where they aren't allowed,
which is why this guy died. If he had stuck to the LEGAL trails, he
would still be alive. Why do you want mountain bikers to die? You are
SICK!

>What of the accidents involving non-cyclists? Your post of nearly a year old
>story concerning the death of someone skiing is callous and meaningless
>beyond your own bias.
>Where is the comparison of all injuries of skiers and their backgrounds?
>Without that, you can make no link of mountain bikers involvement being any
>more valid as a variable of cause.
>By your logic, politicians do not care about their peers or killing
>themselves since Sonny Bono died skiing.
>Perhaps real numbers interest you:
>"According to the National Ski Area Association (NSAA), 36 people died as a
>result of ski related injuries last year, compared to an average of 89
>lightning strike deaths."
>This is from a '90s report but still relevant. Can you show that all 36
>people were mountain bikers? What of the lightning strikes...? Were they
>mountain bikers, too?
>What is OBVIOUS is you are 100% an imbecile.
>
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

[Jeff Strickland]

"Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 21:59:37 -0500, "S Curtiss" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
...
>>> On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:54:54 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>Gosh, should anybody be surprised that the poor ******* died doing
>>>>something
>>>>other than biking?
>>>
>>> It proves that mountain bikers have no sense whatsoever. They are
>>> their own worst enemies.
>>>
>>Explain the deaths or injuries of non-mountain bikers engaged in the same
>>activities. Some of them also are hikers.
>>Explain how you make the analogy of mountain bikers having "no sense
>>whatsoever" when it is not only "mountain bikers" that are injured in
>>other
>>outdoor activities.
>>Explain how you only use mountain biker associated injuries or deaths and
>>exclude all others from similar circumstances.
>>
>>Your OPINIONS cloud every statement and every post you make. That is why
>>your writings and presentations are not only a joke to off-road cycling,
>>but
>>also a parady of everything scientific and environmental. We know it and
>>they (other REAL environmental advocates and researchers) know it. You are
>>a
>>laughing stock.
>>Posts such as the one used to start this thread only brighten the
>>illumination on the fact of your scientific impotence.
>
> Why would you want to try to shut me up, when (1) you can't, and (2) I
> am helping protect mountain bikers from unnecessary deaths? You make
> no sense whatsoever.

Everybody here, except you, makes sense. The irony is, yoiu are the one
point out how senseless things are.

You are the classic exercise in the pot calling the kettle black.

You attribute a skiing death to mountain bike riding when the facts are that
the death and the mountain bike habit are not related. Then, when it is
pointed out that other people die in the same manner, but they are not
mountain bike affectionados, you ignore them.

Your challenge is to explain how you make the leap from one activity to
another, and attribute loss of life in unrelated activities to the other
activity. <I'm pretty sure you will not 1.) understand the challenge, and
2.) not reply in any meaningful manner.>

[cc]

Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:18:19 -0500, "S Curtiss" >
> wrote:
>
>> "Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 14:43:05 -0700, wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:26:28 -0800, cc > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ist-e Mundus, Furia bundus wrote:
>>>>>> "Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> Freeride Entertainment's Carey Bokser perishes in backcountry
>>>>>>> By Darren Davidson
>>>>>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>>>>> And the point of this post is....?
>>>>>>
>>>>> ....that mike is a sick ****.
>>>> At one time I would have agreed with you. But after watching ATV'ers,
>>>> Snowmobilers, Mountain Bikers, destroy themselves and the environment,
>>>> I simply don't give a hoot when some idiot gets killed. Homo Sapiens
>>>> is not an endangered species.
>>>>
>>>> Max
>>> The mountain bikers wish I would shut up, so that, I guess, MORE
>>> people will fooloshly kill themselves. Obviously, they don't care
>>> about their own peers. They have done NOTHING to prevent deaths like
>>> this. And they want to clainm that I'M the one who's callous?! Just
>>> the opposite is true.....
>> Explain your logic in associating only mountain bikers to skiing accidents.
>
> Mountain bikers are NOTORIOUS for going where they aren't allowed,
> which is why this guy died. If he had stuck to the LEGAL trails, he
> would still be alive. Why do you want mountain bikers to die? You are
> SICK!

Out of bounds != illegal, moron.

>
>> What of the accidents involving non-cyclists? Your post of nearly a year old
>> story concerning the death of someone skiing is callous and meaningless
>> beyond your own bias.
>> Where is the comparison of all injuries of skiers and their backgrounds?
>> Without that, you can make no link of mountain bikers involvement being any
>> more valid as a variable of cause.
>> By your logic, politicians do not care about their peers or killing
>> themselves since Sonny Bono died skiing.
>> Perhaps real numbers interest you:
>> "According to the National Ski Area Association (NSAA), 36 people died as a
>> result of ski related injuries last year, compared to an average of 89
>> lightning strike deaths."
>> This is from a '90s report but still relevant. Can you show that all 36
>> people were mountain bikers? What of the lightning strikes...? Were they
>> mountain bikers, too?
>> What is OBVIOUS is you are 100% an imbecile.
>>
> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

[MattB]

Ist-e Mundus, Furia bundus wrote:
> "Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
> ...
>
<snip>
>>
>>Carey Bokser, senior production manager for Freeride Entertainment,
>>perished after a fall during a ski touring accident. The accident
>>happened shortly before 11:00 a.m., Saturday, Feb. 25, on a day marked
>>by mostly blue skies and great backcountry skiing following three days
>>of snowfall.
>>
>>
>>
>>According to a Whitewater spokesperson, Carey and another skier were
>>beginning their descent on an expert out-of-bounds slope known as the
>>Hummer Face, above the resort¹s boundaries. Carey¹s ski caught on a
>>rock. He fell and tumbled down a cliff face. He died at the scene.
>>
>>
>
>
> And the point of this post is....?
>
>
>

I think Mike wants us all to be careful while skiing so we can live to
ride our mountain bikes another day. Thanks Mike!

Matt (will take extra care, I promise!)

[Coyoteboy]

Mike Vandeman wrote:

>
> The mountain bikers wish I would shut up, so that, I guess, MORE
> people will fooloshly kill themselves. Obviously, they don't care
> about their own peers. They have done NOTHING to prevent deaths like
> this. And they want to clainm that I'M the one who's callous?! Just
> the opposite is true.....

A short life ended doing something you enjoy is infinitely better than a
long life ended having not for fear of injury. We do care about our peers,
we simply understand and respect their choice to find their thrills in a
way that may destroy them eventually, as they take that decision in full
understanding of the risks. Just because you cannot understand it does not
make it wrong, merely someone who gets their thrills another way -
apparently by posting up the deaths of other people. I know which Id be
more worried about if I were your shrink.

[S Curtiss]

"Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:18:19 -0500, "S Curtiss" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
...
>>> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 14:43:05 -0700, wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:26:28 -0800, cc > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Ist-e Mundus, Furia bundus wrote:
>>>>>> "Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> Freeride Entertainment's Carey Bokser perishes in backcountry
>>>>>>> By Darren Davidson
>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And the point of this post is....?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>....that mike is a sick ****.
>>>>
>>>>At one time I would have agreed with you. But after watching ATV'ers,
>>>>Snowmobilers, Mountain Bikers, destroy themselves and the environment,
>>>>I simply don't give a hoot when some idiot gets killed. Homo Sapiens
>>>>is not an endangered species.
>>>>
>>>>Max
>>>
>>> The mountain bikers wish I would shut up, so that, I guess, MORE
>>> people will fooloshly kill themselves. Obviously, they don't care
>>> about their own peers. They have done NOTHING to prevent deaths like
>>> this. And they want to clainm that I'M the one who's callous?! Just
>>> the opposite is true.....
>>Explain your logic in associating only mountain bikers to skiing
>>accidents.
>
> Mountain bikers are NOTORIOUS for going where they aren't allowed,
This is an OPINION colored by your dislike of off-road cycling.
Answer the question. Explain your logic in associating only mountain bikers
to skiing accidents

> which is why this guy died. If he had stuck to the LEGAL trails, he
> would still be alive. Why do you want mountain bikers to die? You are
> SICK!
I have no interest in the death of anyone. However, it is OBVIOUS you do
when you post them.
>
>>What of the accidents involving non-cyclists? Your post of nearly a year
>>old
>>story concerning the death of someone skiing is callous and meaningless
>>beyond your own bias.
>>Where is the comparison of all injuries of skiers and their backgrounds?
>>Without that, you can make no link of mountain bikers involvement being
>>any
>>more valid as a variable of cause.
>>By your logic, politicians do not care about their peers or killing
>>themselves since Sonny Bono died skiing.
>>Perhaps real numbers interest you:
>>"According to the National Ski Area Association (NSAA), 36 people died as
>>a
>>result of ski related injuries last year, compared to an average of 89
>>lightning strike deaths."
>>This is from a '90s report but still relevant. Can you show that all 36
>>people were mountain bikers? What of the lightning strikes...? Were they
>>mountain bikers, too?
No reply...? Because you can't! You can NOT justify your posts concerning
this death when faced with the reality of numbers involving non-cyclists.

>>What is OBVIOUS is you are 100% an imbecile.
>>
> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
> fond of!
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

[S Curtiss]

"Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 21:59:37 -0500, "S Curtiss" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
...
>>> On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:54:54 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>Gosh, should anybody be surprised that the poor ******* died doing
>>>>something
>>>>other than biking?
>>>
>>> It proves that mountain bikers have no sense whatsoever. They are
>>> their own worst enemies.
>>>
>>Explain the deaths or injuries of non-mountain bikers engaged in the same
>>activities. Some of them also are hikers.
>>Explain how you make the analogy of mountain bikers having "no sense
>>whatsoever" when it is not only "mountain bikers" that are injured in
>>other
>>outdoor activities.
>>Explain how you only use mountain biker associated injuries or deaths and
>>exclude all others from similar circumstances.
>>
>>Your OPINIONS cloud every statement and every post you make. That is why
>>your writings and presentations are not only a joke to off-road cycling,
>>but
>>also a parady of everything scientific and environmental. We know it and
>>they (other REAL environmental advocates and researchers) know it. You are
>>a
>>laughing stock.
>>Posts such as the one used to start this thread only brighten the
>>illumination on the fact of your scientific impotence.
>
> Why would you want to try to shut me up, when (1) you can't, and (2) I
> am helping protect mountain bikers from unnecessary deaths?
You are only attempting to show off-road cycling under a light of
misconception. Otherwise, you would either (1) not post stories of the
deaths of human beings or (2) you would include the numbers showing all
accidents and the backgrounds of the victims. The FACT you are only
interested when you can make some connection to off-road cycling shows that
you make no sense and have blown any scientific credibility out the window.
You make
> no sense whatsoever.
A lie to us and a lie to yourself. PATHETIC!

[Mike Vandeman]

On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:58:54 -0800, cc > wrote:

>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:18:19 -0500, "S Curtiss" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 14:43:05 -0700, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:26:28 -0800, cc > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ist-e Mundus, Furia bundus wrote:
>>>>>>> "Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> Freeride Entertainment's Carey Bokser perishes in backcountry
>>>>>>>> By Darren Davidson
>>>>>>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>>>>>> And the point of this post is....?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> ....that mike is a sick ****.
>>>>> At one time I would have agreed with you. But after watching ATV'ers,
>>>>> Snowmobilers, Mountain Bikers, destroy themselves and the environment,
>>>>> I simply don't give a hoot when some idiot gets killed. Homo Sapiens
>>>>> is not an endangered species.
>>>>>
>>>>> Max
>>>> The mountain bikers wish I would shut up, so that, I guess, MORE
>>>> people will fooloshly kill themselves. Obviously, they don't care
>>>> about their own peers. They have done NOTHING to prevent deaths like
>>>> this. And they want to clainm that I'M the one who's callous?! Just
>>>> the opposite is true.....
>>> Explain your logic in associating only mountain bikers to skiing accidents.
>>
>> Mountain bikers are NOTORIOUS for going where they aren't allowed,
>> which is why this guy died. If he had stuck to the LEGAL trails, he
>> would still be alive. Why do you want mountain bikers to die? You are
>> SICK!
>
>Out of bounds != illegal, moron.

Then how do you explain what he was doing?

>>> What of the accidents involving non-cyclists? Your post of nearly a year old
>>> story concerning the death of someone skiing is callous and meaningless
>>> beyond your own bias.
>>> Where is the comparison of all injuries of skiers and their backgrounds?
>>> Without that, you can make no link of mountain bikers involvement being any
>>> more valid as a variable of cause.
>>> By your logic, politicians do not care about their peers or killing
>>> themselves since Sonny Bono died skiing.
>>> Perhaps real numbers interest you:
>>> "According to the National Ski Area Association (NSAA), 36 people died as a
>>> result of ski related injuries last year, compared to an average of 89
>>> lightning strike deaths."
>>> This is from a '90s report but still relevant. Can you show that all 36
>>> people were mountain bikers? What of the lightning strikes...? Were they
>>> mountain bikers, too?
>>> What is OBVIOUS is you are 100% an imbecile.
>>>
>> ===
>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>
>> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
>>
>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

[Mike Vandeman]

On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:48:07 +0000, Coyoteboy
> wrote:

>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>
>>
>> The mountain bikers wish I would shut up, so that, I guess, MORE
>> people will fooloshly kill themselves. Obviously, they don't care
>> about their own peers. They have done NOTHING to prevent deaths like
>> this. And they want to clainm that I'M the one who's callous?! Just
>> the opposite is true.....
>
>A short life ended doing something you enjoy is infinitely better than a
>long life ended having not for fear of injury.

Really? What's "better" about preventable deaths?

We do care about our peers,
>we simply understand and respect their choice to find their thrills in a
>way that may destroy them eventually, as they take that decision in full
>understanding of the risks. Just because you cannot understand it does not
>make it wrong, merely someone who gets their thrills another way -
>apparently by posting up the deaths of other people. I know which Id be
>more worried about if I were your shrink.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

[Eugene Miya]

Mike again revels in the death of a human? So?
So do capital punishment advocates (victims of extenuating circumstances).
So do people who have given any thought about history.

>>....that mike is a sick ****.
>
>At one time I would have agreed with you. But after watching ATV'ers,
>Snowmobilers, Mountain Bikers, destroy themselves and the environment,
>I simply don't give a hoot when some idiot gets killed. Homo Sapiens
>is not an endangered species.

Yep.

Just cut down on your follow ups.

--

[cc]

Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:58:54 -0800, cc > wrote:
>
>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:18:19 -0500, "S Curtiss" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 14:43:05 -0700, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:26:28 -0800, cc > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ist-e Mundus, Furia bundus wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>> Freeride Entertainment's Carey Bokser perishes in backcountry
>>>>>>>>> By Darren Davidson
>>>>>>>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>>>>>>> And the point of this post is....?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ....that mike is a sick ****.
>>>>>> At one time I would have agreed with you. But after watching ATV'ers,
>>>>>> Snowmobilers, Mountain Bikers, destroy themselves and the environment,
>>>>>> I simply don't give a hoot when some idiot gets killed. Homo Sapiens
>>>>>> is not an endangered species.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Max
>>>>> The mountain bikers wish I would shut up, so that, I guess, MORE
>>>>> people will fooloshly kill themselves. Obviously, they don't care
>>>>> about their own peers. They have done NOTHING to prevent deaths like
>>>>> this. And they want to clainm that I'M the one who's callous?! Just
>>>>> the opposite is true.....
>>>> Explain your logic in associating only mountain bikers to skiing accidents.
>>> Mountain bikers are NOTORIOUS for going where they aren't allowed,
>>> which is why this guy died. If he had stuck to the LEGAL trails, he
>>> would still be alive. Why do you want mountain bikers to die? You are
>>> SICK!
>> Out of bounds != illegal, moron.
>
> Then how do you explain what he was doing?

He was backcountry skiing outside the resort.

>
>>>> What of the accidents involving non-cyclists? Your post of nearly a year old
>>>> story concerning the death of someone skiing is callous and meaningless
>>>> beyond your own bias.
>>>> Where is the comparison of all injuries of skiers and their backgrounds?
>>>> Without that, you can make no link of mountain bikers involvement being any
>>>> more valid as a variable of cause.
>>>> By your logic, politicians do not care about their peers or killing
>>>> themselves since Sonny Bono died skiing.
>>>> Perhaps real numbers interest you:
>>>> "According to the National Ski Area Association (NSAA), 36 people died as a
>>>> result of ski related injuries last year, compared to an average of 89
>>>> lightning strike deaths."
>>>> This is from a '90s report but still relevant. Can you show that all 36
>>>> people were mountain bikers? What of the lightning strikes...? Were they
>>>> mountain bikers, too?
>>>> What is OBVIOUS is you are 100% an imbecile.
>>>>
>>> ===
>>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>>
>>> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
>>>
>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

[Beej]

On Jan 23, 8:16 am, Mike Vandeman > wrote:
> Then how do you explain what he was doing?

The article straightforwardly says he was ski touring.

-Beej

[S Curtiss]

"Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:58:54 -0800, cc > wrote:
>
>>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:18:19 -0500, "S Curtiss" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 14:43:05 -0700, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:26:28 -0800, cc > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ist-e Mundus, Furia bundus wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>> Freeride Entertainment's Carey Bokser perishes in backcountry
>>>>>>>>> By Darren Davidson
>>>>>>>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>>>>>>> And the point of this post is....?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ....that mike is a sick ****.
>>>>>> At one time I would have agreed with you. But after watching ATV'ers,
>>>>>> Snowmobilers, Mountain Bikers, destroy themselves and the
>>>>>> environment,
>>>>>> I simply don't give a hoot when some idiot gets killed. Homo Sapiens
>>>>>> is not an endangered species.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Max
>>>>> The mountain bikers wish I would shut up, so that, I guess, MORE
>>>>> people will fooloshly kill themselves. Obviously, they don't care
>>>>> about their own peers. They have done NOTHING to prevent deaths like
>>>>> this. And they want to clainm that I'M the one who's callous?! Just
>>>>> the opposite is true.....
>>>> Explain your logic in associating only mountain bikers to skiing
>>>> accidents.
>>>
>>> Mountain bikers are NOTORIOUS for going where they aren't allowed,
>>> which is why this guy died. If he had stuck to the LEGAL trails, he
>>> would still be alive. Why do you want mountain bikers to die? You are
>>> SICK!
>>
>>Out of bounds != illegal, moron.
Wrong! Again applying your experience (or lack of) to activities you do not
understand.
Quote from the article: "their descent on an expert out-of-bounds slope
known as the
Hummer Face"
Note the use of the term "expert". This is a skiable area for experts only
outside of the normal boundaries of the area. It is not "illegal" but an
"expert area".
YOU are the MORON for not READING what you post.
And you still have NOT answered the following -
>
>>>> What of the accidents involving non-cyclists? Your post of nearly a
>>>> year old
>>>> story concerning the death of someone skiing is callous and meaningless
>>>> beyond your own bias.
>>>> Where is the comparison of all injuries of skiers and their
>>>> backgrounds?
>>>> Without that, you can make no link of mountain bikers involvement being
>>>> any
>>>> more valid as a variable of cause.
>>>> By your logic, politicians do not care about their peers or killing
>>>> themselves since Sonny Bono died skiing.
>>>> Perhaps real numbers interest you:
>>>> "According to the National Ski Area Association (NSAA), 36 people died
>>>> as a
>>>> result of ski related injuries last year, compared to an average of 89
>>>> lightning strike deaths."
>>>> This is from a '90s report but still relevant. Can you show that all 36
>>>> people were mountain bikers? What of the lightning strikes...? Were
>>>> they
>>>> mountain bikers, too?
>>>> What is OBVIOUS is you are 100% an imbecile.
Come on Mr Science - show your relevant data expressing facts of cyclists vs
non-cyclists involved in skiing accidents.

[Mike Vandeman]

On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:46:13 +0000, Coyoteboy
> wrote:

>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>
>> Really? What's "better" about preventable deaths?
>
>Yet again you miss the point, let me explain; We all die, at least if you
>die while doing something you enjoy and accept is a risk you are making the
>most of the life you've got. If you sit of the sofa and dont do anything
>thats exciting due to it being dangerous you might live until you're 100
>but by God you'll be a dull person. Its personal choice, but I always
>follow the "its better to burn out than fade away" train of thought.

Then do it without hurting any people or wildlife. Otherwise it's
SELFISH.
===
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humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

[Mike Vandeman]

On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 12:03:01 -0800, cc > wrote:

>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>> On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:58:54 -0800, cc > wrote:
>>
>>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:18:19 -0500, "S Curtiss" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 14:43:05 -0700, wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:26:28 -0800, cc > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ist-e Mundus, Furia bundus wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>> Freeride Entertainment's Carey Bokser perishes in backcountry
>>>>>>>>>> By Darren Davidson
>>>>>>>>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>>>>>>>> And the point of this post is....?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ....that mike is a sick ****.
>>>>>>> At one time I would have agreed with you. But after watching ATV'ers,
>>>>>>> Snowmobilers, Mountain Bikers, destroy themselves and the environment,
>>>>>>> I simply don't give a hoot when some idiot gets killed. Homo Sapiens
>>>>>>> is not an endangered species.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Max
>>>>>> The mountain bikers wish I would shut up, so that, I guess, MORE
>>>>>> people will fooloshly kill themselves. Obviously, they don't care
>>>>>> about their own peers. They have done NOTHING to prevent deaths like
>>>>>> this. And they want to clainm that I'M the one who's callous?! Just
>>>>>> the opposite is true.....
>>>>> Explain your logic in associating only mountain bikers to skiing accidents.
>>>> Mountain bikers are NOTORIOUS for going where they aren't allowed,
>>>> which is why this guy died. If he had stuck to the LEGAL trails, he
>>>> would still be alive. Why do you want mountain bikers to die? You are
>>>> SICK!
>>> Out of bounds != illegal, moron.
>>
>> Then how do you explain what he was doing?
>
>He was backcountry skiing outside the resort.

Right, which is off-limits. Illegal. Typical for mountain bikers: they
NEVER obey the rules.

>>>>> What of the accidents involving non-cyclists? Your post of nearly a year old
>>>>> story concerning the death of someone skiing is callous and meaningless
>>>>> beyond your own bias.
>>>>> Where is the comparison of all injuries of skiers and their backgrounds?
>>>>> Without that, you can make no link of mountain bikers involvement being any
>>>>> more valid as a variable of cause.
>>>>> By your logic, politicians do not care about their peers or killing
>>>>> themselves since Sonny Bono died skiing.
>>>>> Perhaps real numbers interest you:
>>>>> "According to the National Ski Area Association (NSAA), 36 people died as a
>>>>> result of ski related injuries last year, compared to an average of 89
>>>>> lightning strike deaths."
>>>>> This is from a '90s report but still relevant. Can you show that all 36
>>>>> people were mountain bikers? What of the lightning strikes...? Were they
>>>>> mountain bikers, too?
>>>>> What is OBVIOUS is you are 100% an imbecile.
>>>>>
>>>> ===
>>>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>>>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>>>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>>>
>>>> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
>>>>
>>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>> ===
>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>
>> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
>>
>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

[Mike Vandeman]

On 23 Jan 2007 12:24:15 -0800, "Beej" > wrote:

>On Jan 23, 8:16 am, Mike Vandeman > wrote:
>> Then how do you explain what he was doing?
>
>The article straightforwardly says he was ski touring.

Right, where it wasn't allowed. Read it again.

>-Beej
===
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humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

[cc]

Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 12:03:01 -0800, cc > wrote:
>
>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>> On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:58:54 -0800, cc > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:18:19 -0500, "S Curtiss" >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 14:43:05 -0700, wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:26:28 -0800, cc > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ist-e Mundus, Furia bundus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>> Freeride Entertainment's Carey Bokser perishes in backcountry
>>>>>>>>>>> By Darren Davidson
>>>>>>>>>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>>>>>>>>> And the point of this post is....?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ....that mike is a sick ****.
>>>>>>>> At one time I would have agreed with you. But after watching ATV'ers,
>>>>>>>> Snowmobilers, Mountain Bikers, destroy themselves and the environment,
>>>>>>>> I simply don't give a hoot when some idiot gets killed. Homo Sapiens
>>>>>>>> is not an endangered species.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Max
>>>>>>> The mountain bikers wish I would shut up, so that, I guess, MORE
>>>>>>> people will fooloshly kill themselves. Obviously, they don't care
>>>>>>> about their own peers. They have done NOTHING to prevent deaths like
>>>>>>> this. And they want to clainm that I'M the one who's callous?! Just
>>>>>>> the opposite is true.....
>>>>>> Explain your logic in associating only mountain bikers to skiing accidents.
>>>>> Mountain bikers are NOTORIOUS for going where they aren't allowed,
>>>>> which is why this guy died. If he had stuck to the LEGAL trails, he
>>>>> would still be alive. Why do you want mountain bikers to die? You are
>>>>> SICK!
>>>> Out of bounds != illegal, moron.
>>> Then how do you explain what he was doing?
>> He was backcountry skiing outside the resort.
>
> Right, which is off-limits. Illegal. Typical for mountain bikers: they
> NEVER obey the rules.
>

wrong. again.

[cc]

Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On 23 Jan 2007 12:24:15 -0800, "Beej" > wrote:
>
>> On Jan 23, 8:16 am, Mike Vandeman > wrote:
>>> Then how do you explain what he was doing?
>> The article straightforwardly says he was ski touring.
>
> Right, where it wasn't allowed. Read it again.
>

Mike, we all know you're talking out of your ass. It was not illegal.

[S Curtiss]

"Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
...
> On 23 Jan 2007 12:24:15 -0800, "Beej" > wrote:
>
>>On Jan 23, 8:16 am, Mike Vandeman > wrote:
>>> Then how do you explain what he was doing?
>>
>>The article straightforwardly says he was ski touring.
>
> Right, where it wasn't allowed. Read it again.
>
YOU read it again - After all, you posted it.

MV: "Out of bounds != illegal, moron."

Wrong! Again applying your experience (or lack of) to activities you do not
understand.
Quote from the article: "their descent on an expert out-of-bounds slope
known as the Hummer Face"
Note the use of the term "expert". This is a skiable area for experts only
outside of the normal boundaries of the area. It is not "illegal" but an
"expert area".
YOU are the MORON for not READING what you post.
And you still have NOT answered the following -
>
"What of the accidents involving non-cyclists? Your post of nearly a year
old story concerning the death of someone skiing is callous and meaningless
beyond your own bias.
Where is the comparison of all injuries of skiers and their backgrounds?
Without that, you can make no link of mountain bikers involvement being any
more valid as a variable of cause.
By your logic, politicians do not care about their peers or killing
themselves since Sonny Bono died skiing.
Perhaps real numbers interest you:
"According to the National Ski Area Association (NSAA), 36 people died as a
result of ski related injuries last year, compared to an average of 89
lightning strike deaths."
This is from a '90s report but still relevant. Can you show that all 36
people were mountain bikers? What of the lightning strikes...? Were they all
mountain bikers, too?"
>>>> What is OBVIOUS is you are 100% an imbecile.

[Mike Vandeman]

On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:02:58 -0500, "S Curtiss" >
wrote:

>
>"Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
...
>> On 23 Jan 2007 12:24:15 -0800, "Beej" > wrote:
>>
>>>On Jan 23, 8:16 am, Mike Vandeman > wrote:
>>>> Then how do you explain what he was doing?
>>>
>>>The article straightforwardly says he was ski touring.
>>
>> Right, where it wasn't allowed. Read it again.
>>
>YOU read it again - After all, you posted it.
>
>MV: "Out of bounds != illegal, moron."
>
>Wrong! Again applying your experience (or lack of) to activities you do not
>understand.
>Quote from the article: "their descent on an expert out-of-bounds slope
>known as the Hummer Face"
>Note the use of the term "expert". This is a skiable area for experts only
>outside of the normal boundaries of the area. It is not "illegal" but an
>"expert area".

He obviously wasn't an expert, or he wouldn't be dead. So he was where
he didn't belong -- NOTHING NEW FOR A MOUNTAIN BIKER!

>YOU are the MORON for not READING what you post.
>And you still have NOT answered the following -
>>
>"What of the accidents involving non-cyclists? Your post of nearly a year
>old story concerning the death of someone skiing is callous and meaningless
>beyond your own bias.
>Where is the comparison of all injuries of skiers and their backgrounds?
>Without that, you can make no link of mountain bikers involvement being any
>more valid as a variable of cause.
>By your logic, politicians do not care about their peers or killing
>themselves since Sonny Bono died skiing.
>Perhaps real numbers interest you:
>"According to the National Ski Area Association (NSAA), 36 people died as a
>result of ski related injuries last year, compared to an average of 89
>lightning strike deaths."
>This is from a '90s report but still relevant. Can you show that all 36
>people were mountain bikers? What of the lightning strikes...? Were they all
>mountain bikers, too?"
>>>>> What is OBVIOUS is you are 100% an imbecile.
>
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

[S Curtiss]

"Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:02:58 -0500, "S Curtiss" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Mike Vandeman" > wrote in message
...
>>> On 23 Jan 2007 12:24:15 -0800, "Beej" > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Jan 23, 8:16 am, Mike Vandeman > wrote:
>>>>> Then how do you explain what he was doing?
>>>>
>>>>The article straightforwardly says he was ski touring.
>>>
>>> Right, where it wasn't allowed. Read it again.
>>>
>>YOU read it again - After all, you posted it.
>>
>>MV: "Out of bounds != illegal, moron."
>>
>>Wrong! Again applying your experience (or lack of) to activities you do
>>not
>>understand.
>>Quote from the article: "their descent on an expert out-of-bounds slope
>>known as the Hummer Face"
>>Note the use of the term "expert". This is a skiable area for experts only
>>outside of the normal boundaries of the area. It is not "illegal" but an
>>"expert area".
>
> He obviously wasn't an expert, or he wouldn't be dead. So he was where
> he didn't belong -- NOTHING NEW FOR A MOUNTAIN BIKER!
From the piece YOU posted:
"Originally from Toronto, Carey moved to Nelson from Vancouver in the
summer of 1995. He was a skilled, experienced backcountry skier..."
The piece also states his ski caught on a rock. Not uncommon, but the
beginning of an unfortunate accident. Only you could take joy in it.
And when will you address the points below? You can't because you are a
coward and simpleton when faced with real information or a challenge to
actually back with fact the statements you make. The proof is here and in
10+ years of usenet which a simple "vandeman" search of usenet will testify.
>
>>YOU are the MORON for not READING what you post.
>>And you still have NOT answered the following -
>>>
>>"What of the accidents involving non-cyclists? Your post of nearly a year
>>old story concerning the death of someone skiing is callous and
>>meaningless
>>beyond your own bias.
>>Where is the comparison of all injuries of skiers and their backgrounds?
>>Without that, you can make no link of mountain bikers involvement being
>>any
>>more valid as a variable of cause.
>>By your logic, politicians do not care about their peers or killing
>>themselves since Sonny Bono died skiing.
>>Perhaps real numbers interest you:
>>"According to the National Ski Area Association (NSAA), 36 people died as
>>a
>>result of ski related injuries last year, compared to an average of 89
>>lightning strike deaths."
>>This is from a '90s report but still relevant. Can you show that all 36
>>people were mountain bikers? What of the lightning strikes...? Were they
>>all
>>mountain bikers, too?"
>>>>>> What is OBVIOUS is you are 100% an imbecile.
>>
> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
> fond of!
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

[Beej]

On Jan 26, 8:30 am, Mike Vandeman > wrote:
> Right, where it wasn't allowed.

"Allowed"? What happened to "illegal"? Don't back down now! You're
on the verge of claiming that all backcountry skiing is against the
law!

And it would rock if you did that.

-Beej