Chris M
April 8th 07, 03:11 AM
I am looking at new 10V cassettes and thinking of using the Mavic for
Campy that ships with 12 cogs between 13 and 27. It would be nice to
have even a few more but my other 10V cassettes all have 12s and suit
me for any combinations I would use for applications that start with a
12.
What I want to know is how the Mavic compares to Campy Record and
Chorus or Dura Ace and Ultegra in terms of quality. I know shifting on
a Record 10V drivetrain will be fine. The only thing I will need to
figure out once I install it is whether I will use a C10 or the Ultra-
Narrow 5.9 chains.
I have been using the 5.9 Record chain and I am almost shocked at how
much quieter my drivetrain is. It was never loud at all but now the
loudest sound (from the bike) is almost always the tires singing on
the pavement even at low speeds. If anyone has any doubts about this
chain, it is really impressive. I use a tool-free master link though,
and can't vouch for any other closure system. The pins of the chain
making a loud cracking sound when removing links and I am positive
that these chains won't ever break unless fubar'ed by improper
installation (hence the recommendation for the tool-free or third
party master links). It takes so much pressure to remove the link pins
that I broke 2 chain tool pins (Park replaceable pin full size model)
removing the chain pins from the extra links and I have never in my
entire cycling experience done that before. There is some mechanical
modification that keeps the pin very securely in the chain links and I
am positive that the new narrow chains are the safest in the past 20
plus years from Campy or any other I have seen. The only pitfall is
that the chain is more sensitive to worn cogs, so changing to the
narrow chain may require changing the cassette too in some cases. My
moderately worn cassettes caused skipping on the first at high torque
and the second cassette was (and remains) flawless. Then again, this
happens some times no matter what (mixing new drivetrain with worn
components, so...) YMMV as always. I just thought I would mention this
because of the benefits I have gained from switching. Shifting is so
fast and quiet that it operates as if perfectly adjusted even though I
am currently using it with a mixed drivetrain (all 10V components
except for a late 9V rear derailleur) that was not even adjusted after
swapping chains. I think the worn cassette is a Record ti/steel
because the worn cogs are the larger ones (which I assume wear faster
than the steel) while the smaller cogs (fewer teeth) shift just as
well as the whole cassette on the second one. The pure 10V drivetrain
will certainly be as good, since I can't imagine what could improve.
So...please let me know as much as possible how the Mavic compares to
the Campy or Shimano models in terms of precision, and construction. I
assume that it can't use an aluminum spider to save weight on the
larger cogs because they are all installed individually (just like pre-
index cassettes back when the 5 - 7 speed cassettes were the racer's
premier choices.
TIA
Campy that ships with 12 cogs between 13 and 27. It would be nice to
have even a few more but my other 10V cassettes all have 12s and suit
me for any combinations I would use for applications that start with a
12.
What I want to know is how the Mavic compares to Campy Record and
Chorus or Dura Ace and Ultegra in terms of quality. I know shifting on
a Record 10V drivetrain will be fine. The only thing I will need to
figure out once I install it is whether I will use a C10 or the Ultra-
Narrow 5.9 chains.
I have been using the 5.9 Record chain and I am almost shocked at how
much quieter my drivetrain is. It was never loud at all but now the
loudest sound (from the bike) is almost always the tires singing on
the pavement even at low speeds. If anyone has any doubts about this
chain, it is really impressive. I use a tool-free master link though,
and can't vouch for any other closure system. The pins of the chain
making a loud cracking sound when removing links and I am positive
that these chains won't ever break unless fubar'ed by improper
installation (hence the recommendation for the tool-free or third
party master links). It takes so much pressure to remove the link pins
that I broke 2 chain tool pins (Park replaceable pin full size model)
removing the chain pins from the extra links and I have never in my
entire cycling experience done that before. There is some mechanical
modification that keeps the pin very securely in the chain links and I
am positive that the new narrow chains are the safest in the past 20
plus years from Campy or any other I have seen. The only pitfall is
that the chain is more sensitive to worn cogs, so changing to the
narrow chain may require changing the cassette too in some cases. My
moderately worn cassettes caused skipping on the first at high torque
and the second cassette was (and remains) flawless. Then again, this
happens some times no matter what (mixing new drivetrain with worn
components, so...) YMMV as always. I just thought I would mention this
because of the benefits I have gained from switching. Shifting is so
fast and quiet that it operates as if perfectly adjusted even though I
am currently using it with a mixed drivetrain (all 10V components
except for a late 9V rear derailleur) that was not even adjusted after
swapping chains. I think the worn cassette is a Record ti/steel
because the worn cogs are the larger ones (which I assume wear faster
than the steel) while the smaller cogs (fewer teeth) shift just as
well as the whole cassette on the second one. The pure 10V drivetrain
will certainly be as good, since I can't imagine what could improve.
So...please let me know as much as possible how the Mavic compares to
the Campy or Shimano models in terms of precision, and construction. I
assume that it can't use an aluminum spider to save weight on the
larger cogs because they are all installed individually (just like pre-
index cassettes back when the 5 - 7 speed cassettes were the racer's
premier choices.
TIA