Four days!

[DeF]

How do PBK do it? Ordered 20/4/07, arrived
24/4/07. Do they have some special deal to
get the blue parcels special priority? How
come the other UK shops can't match this?

DeF
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[Brendo]

On Apr 24, 10:57 am, DeF <""d.farrow\"@your finger.murdoch.edu.au">
wrote:
> How do PBK do it? Ordered 20/4/07, arrived
> 24/4/07. Do they have some special deal to
> get the blue parcels special priority? How
> come the other UK shops can't match this?
>
> DeF
> --
> e-mail: d.farrow@your finger.murdoch.edu.au
> To reply, you'll have to remove your finger.

Took longer for a set of bib's to come to Rockingham, (Western
Australia) from Melbourne.

Nice work on their behalf!!

Brendo

[Bean Long]

Brendo wrote:
> On Apr 24, 10:57 am, DeF <""d.farrow\"@your finger.murdoch.edu.au">
> wrote:
>> How do PBK do it? Ordered 20/4/07, arrived
>> 24/4/07. Do they have some special deal to
>> get the blue parcels special priority? How
>> come the other UK shops can't match this?
>>
>> DeF
>> --
>> e-mail: d.farrow@your finger.murdoch.edu.au
>> To reply, you'll have to remove your finger.
>
> Took longer for a set of bib's to come to Rockingham, (Western
> Australia) from Melbourne.
>
> Nice work on their behalf!!
>
> Brendo
>

I ordered from PBK Tuesday last week and had the goods on Friday. A
friend ordered the Thursday before Good Friday and had the goods the
following Tuesday! Over the Easter weekend!! They are fantastic.

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[rooman[_81_]]

DeF Wrote:
> How do PBK do it? Ordered 20/4/07, arrived
> 24/4/07. Do they have some special deal to
> get the blue parcels special priority? How
> come the other UK shops can't match this?
>
> DeF
> --
> e-mail: d.farrow@your finger.murdoch.edu.au
> To reply, you'll have to remove your finger.
They use a facillitation service... (I'm told) and that same service is
used by a few others too, it just means that PBK's accounting system
clears payments a bit quicker OR they accept a higher level of fraud in
the mix and processing time is reduced.

generally delay is caused not by postage but by processing of payment
clearance to minimise fraud ( which is rife thanks to Korea, Nigeria ,
some from China and a few other places closer to home).

talk to the guys who run on line shops you will be horrified at the
rorts that are tried by buyers with stolen CC details or imaginery
ID's.


--
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[gplama[_85_]]

DeF Wrote:
> How come the other UK shops can't match this?
>

My guesses only here... (with a general view of PBK as a whole)..

PBK are simply on top of their game. A warehouse full of goodies and
streamlined process.... Interweebians simply place their orders through
the website which is linked real-time to their _actual_ inventory - all
they have to do is throw it in a bag and send it off. I'm sure they've
got a nice deal with the postal service given their volumes. Their IT
systems would be interesting - I wonder if they've outsourced it, or
have someone in house who is running that show... whichever way, it
works damn well.

No shop front, no servicing shi**er bikes, no having to spend hours
with a customer who is looking to fork out as little as possible on
their first bike, etc^2.

While email has killed of the 'letter'. PBK, T7, eBay, etc have all
created quite a market for package delivery! I would have taken more
notice of my uni lecturer saying transport is going to be _the_
business to be in once Internet shopping comes of age... but it was his
other theories that it would completely replace the standard retail
industry that got me questioning his wackyness. He liked to see
himself as a technology visionary, who wore a skivvy. OT now... 'nuf
said. :)


--
gplama

[DeF]

rooman wrote:
> DeF Wrote:
>> How do PBK do it? Ordered 20/4/07, arrived
>> 24/4/07. Do they have some special deal to
>> get the blue parcels special priority? How
>> come the other UK shops can't match this?
>>
>> DeF
>> --
>> e-mail: d.farrow@your finger.murdoch.edu.au
>> To reply, you'll have to remove your finger.
> They use a facillitation service... (I'm told) and that same service is
> used by a few others too, it just means that PBK's accounting system
> clears payments a bit quicker OR they accept a higher level of fraud in
> the mix and processing time is reduced.
>
> generally delay is caused not by postage but by processing of payment
> clearance to minimise fraud ( which is rife thanks to Korea, Nigeria ,
> some from China and a few other places closer to home).
>
> talk to the guys who run on line shops you will be horrified at the
> rorts that are tried by buyers with stolen CC details or imaginery
> ID's.
>
>

Yes, well I can vouch for that. I've had two credit cards skimmed
whilst overseas (Malaysia). It only came to light when I saw purchases
on the statement that weren't me. There was several thousand dollars
on Porsche car parts from a US site, one for several hundred for
mobile phone access in Canada and one for a pr0n subscription. I got
all the money back.

No jokes about hanging on to the pr0n subscription please - that's
shooting fish in a barrel.

DeF.


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[Bleve]

On Apr 24, 2:08 pm, DeF <""d.farrow\"@your finger.murdoch.edu.au">
wrote:
> rooman wrote:
> > DeF Wrote:
> >> How do PBK do it? Ordered 20/4/07, arrived
> >> 24/4/07. Do they have some special deal to
> >> get the blue parcels special priority? How
> >> come the other UK shops can't match this?
>
> >> DeF
> >> --
> >> e-mail: d.farrow@your finger.murdoch.edu.au
> >> To reply, you'll have to remove your finger.
> > They use a facillitation service... (I'm told) and that same service is
> > used by a few others too, it just means that PBK's accounting system
> > clears payments a bit quicker OR they accept a higher level of fraud in
> > the mix and processing time is reduced.
>
> > generally delay is caused not by postage but by processing of payment
> > clearance to minimise fraud ( which is rife thanks to Korea, Nigeria ,
> > some from China and a few other places closer to home).
>
> > talk to the guys who run on line shops you will be horrified at the
> > rorts that are tried by buyers with stolen CC details or imaginery
> > ID's.
>
> Yes, well I can vouch for that. I've had two credit cards skimmed
> whilst overseas (Malaysia). It only came to light when I saw purchases
> on the statement that weren't me. There was several thousand dollars
> on Porsche car parts from a US site, one for several hundred for
> mobile phone access in Canada and one for a pr0n subscription. I got
> all the money back.
>
> No jokes about hanging on to the pr0n subscription please - that's
> shooting fish in a barrel.

Did you get to keep the FF points? :)
A mate of mine got skimmed somewhere in Europe, and they ran up 50k on
it before he got back. Got the funds returned, but he got to keep all
the FF points, so he got a free holiday out of it.

[Campag_nut]

>
> No jokes about hanging on to the pr0n subscription please - that's
> shooting fish in a barrel.
>
> DeF.
>

No worries Def, if I got caught with the pr0n subscription, I'd claim it
wasn't mine too.
<g>
CN

[DeF]

Bleve wrote:
> On Apr 24, 2:08 pm, DeF <""d.farrow\"@your finger.murdoch.edu.au">
> wrote:
>> rooman wrote:
>>> DeF Wrote:
>>>> How do PBK do it? Ordered 20/4/07, arrived
>>>> 24/4/07. Do they have some special deal to
>>>> get the blue parcels special priority? How
>>>> come the other UK shops can't match this?
>>>> DeF
>>>> --
>>>> e-mail: d.farrow@your finger.murdoch.edu.au
>>>> To reply, you'll have to remove your finger.
>>> They use a facillitation service... (I'm told) and that same service is
>>> used by a few others too, it just means that PBK's accounting system
>>> clears payments a bit quicker OR they accept a higher level of fraud in
>>> the mix and processing time is reduced.
>>> generally delay is caused not by postage but by processing of payment
>>> clearance to minimise fraud ( which is rife thanks to Korea, Nigeria ,
>>> some from China and a few other places closer to home).
>>> talk to the guys who run on line shops you will be horrified at the
>>> rorts that are tried by buyers with stolen CC details or imaginery
>>> ID's.
>> Yes, well I can vouch for that. I've had two credit cards skimmed
>> whilst overseas (Malaysia). It only came to light when I saw purchases
>> on the statement that weren't me. There was several thousand dollars
>> on Porsche car parts from a US site, one for several hundred for
>> mobile phone access in Canada and one for a pr0n subscription. I got
>> all the money back.
>>
>> No jokes about hanging on to the pr0n subscription please - that's
>> shooting fish in a barrel.
>
> Did you get to keep the FF points? :)
> A mate of mine got skimmed somewhere in Europe, and they ran up 50k on
> it before he got back. Got the funds returned, but he got to keep all
> the FF points, so he got a free holiday out of it.
>

Actually, no I don't think I did. Even worse, I now get two
statements for points accumulated - one for the old (ie no new
points since it was canceled) and one for the new. The points
value left on the old card is so small and the effort required
to get them transfered (phone "helpline" for bank is fscking
nightmare) that I've not bothered to chase it up.

Still, I've come out ahead at other times so I'm not going to
stress about it although I hate it when banks win even tiny amounts.

DeF


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[DeF]

Campag_nut wrote:
>> No jokes about hanging on to the pr0n subscription please - that's
>> shooting fish in a barrel.
>>
>> DeF.
>>
>
> No worries Def, if I got caught with the pr0n subscription, I'd claim it
> wasn't mine too.
> <g>
> CN
>
>

Boom - tish!

There's always one....

DeF

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[byron27[_47_]]

Brendo Wrote:
> Took longer for a set of bib's to come to Rockingham, (Western
> Australia) from Melbourne.
>
> Nice work on their behalf!!
>
> Brendo
Yeah but doesnt the postie need an armoured escort to deliver in
Rockingham???:D


--
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[byron27[_48_]]

gplama Wrote:
> My guesses only here... (with a general view of PBK as a whole)..
>
> PBK are simply on top of their game. A warehouse full of goodies and
> streamlined process.... Interweebians simply place their orders through
> the website which is linked real-time to their _actual_ inventory - all
> they have to do is throw it in a bag and send it off. I'm sure they've
> got a nice deal with the postal service given their volumes. Their IT
> systems would be interesting - I wonder if they've outsourced it, or
> have someone in house who is running that show... whichever way, it
> works damn well. Im actually trying at the moment to do an interview/article with them so
hopefully will have the process revealed soon.

If they would only respond to me.....

If my name was Les Woodlands......


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[Campag_nut]

>
> Boom - tish!
>
> There's always one....
>
> DeF

Sorry Def, it was just too good to pass up - I've waited decades to use that
one.

BTW: Wots a PBK?? I googled it and only got pages of seedy American college
chapters such as Phi Beta Kappa...

CN

[DavidM]

"Campag_nut" > wrote in message
...

> BTW: Wots a PBK?? I googled it and only got pages of seedy American
> college chapters such as Phi Beta Kappa...

http://www.probikekit.com/

HTH
David M

[david]

Please tell me the www for pbk, google was no help.

On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:57:39 +0800, DeF <""d.farrow\"@your
finger.murdoch.edu.au"> wrote:

>How do PBK do it? Ordered 20/4/07, arrived
>24/4/07. Do they have some special deal to
>get the blue parcels special priority? How
>come the other UK shops can't match this?
>
>DeF

[Barty]

DavidM wrote:
> "Campag_nut" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> BTW: Wots a PBK?? I googled it and only got pages of seedy American
>> college chapters such as Phi Beta Kappa...
>
> http://www.probikekit.com/
>
> HTH
> David M
>
www.probikekit.co.uk

[Barty]

david wrote:
> Please tell me the www for pbk, google was no help.
>
> On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:57:39 +0800, DeF <""d.farrow\"@your
> finger.murdoch.edu.au"> wrote:
>
>> How do PBK do it? Ordered 20/4/07, arrived
>> 24/4/07. Do they have some special deal to
>> get the blue parcels special priority? How
>> come the other UK shops can't match this?
>>
>> DeF
>
www.probikekit.co.uk

[DavidM]

"Barty" > wrote in message
...
> DavidM wrote:
>> "Campag_nut" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> BTW: Wots a PBK?? I googled it and only got pages of seedy American
>>> college chapters such as Phi Beta Kappa...
>>
>> http://www.probikekit.com/
>>
>> HTH
>> David M
> www.probikekit.co.uk

Of course, either works.

Cheers
David M

[Halcyon]

DeF > wrote:
> How do PBK do it? Ordered 20/4/07, arrived
> 24/4/07. Do they have some special deal to
> get the blue parcels special priority? How
> come the other UK shops can't match this?
>
> DeF
Chain Reaction Cycles, http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Default.aspx
are just as fast and have a larger range. Irish I think.
Halcyon

[Bean Long]

Halcyon wrote:
> DeF > wrote:
>> How do PBK do it? Ordered 20/4/07, arrived
>> 24/4/07. Do they have some special deal to
>> get the blue parcels special priority? How
>> come the other UK shops can't match this?
>>
>> DeF
> Chain Reaction Cycles, http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Default.aspx
> are just as fast and have a larger range. Irish I think.
> Halcyon

Yep, Northern Ireland, hence the UK link.

--
Bean

"I've got a bike
You can ride it if you like
It's got a basket
A bell that rings
And things to make it look good
I'd give it to you if I could
But I borrowed it" Pink Floyd

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[Bleve]

On Apr 24, 12:57 pm, DeF <""d.farrow\"@your finger.murdoch.edu.au">
wrote:
> How do PBK do it? Ordered 20/4/07, arrived
> 24/4/07. Do they have some special deal to
> get the blue parcels special priority? How
> come the other UK shops can't match this?

They've beaten ayup lights, I ordered mine last w'end, and not here
yet!

[DeF]

Halcyon wrote:
> DeF > wrote:
>> How do PBK do it? Ordered 20/4/07, arrived
>> 24/4/07. Do they have some special deal to
>> get the blue parcels special priority? How
>> come the other UK shops can't match this?
>>
>> DeF
> Chain Reaction Cycles, http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Default.aspx
> are just as fast and have a larger range. Irish I think.
> Halcyon

Larger range in some respects (more MTB stuff) but no Campagnolo!
Also, based on my quick random survey, they seem a little more
expensive.

Luckily for all of us, there are plenty of options. I've even
got stuff from this mob in the past:
http://www.xxcycle.com/

DeF

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[Bleve]

On Apr 27, 12:41 pm, Bleve > wrote:
> On Apr 24, 12:57 pm, DeF <""d.farrow\"@your finger.murdoch.edu.au">
> wrote:
>
> > How do PBK do it? Ordered 20/4/07, arrived
> > 24/4/07. Do they have some special deal to
> > get the blue parcels special priority? How
> > come the other UK shops can't match this?
>
> They've beaten ayup lights, I ordered mine last w'end, and not here
> yet!



For the record, they (my ay-up lights) arrived yesterday. They're
very nice, the stem attachment is particularly well designed, the only
thing missing is an on-off switch.

[parawolf[_22_]]

Bleve Wrote:
>
> For the record, they (my ay-up lights) arrived yesterday. They're
> very nice, the stem attachment is particularly well designed, the only
> thing missing is an on-off switch.

For the record and off the topic, would be interested to know if you
recommend them. I'm looking at buying a set of lights for my bike and
the CFO's bike. Budgetry approval is complete.

I'd be interested to see your thoughts.


--
parawolf

[Bleve]

On May 1, 1:19 pm, parawolf <parawolf.2pv...@no-
mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote:
> Bleve Wrote:
>
>
>
> > For the record, they (my ay-up lights) arrived yesterday. They're
> > very nice, the stem attachment is particularly well designed, the only
> > thing missing is an on-off switch.
>
> For the record and off the topic, would be interested to know if you
> recommend them. I'm looking at buying a set of lights for my bike and
> the CFO's bike. Budgetry approval is complete.
>
> I'd be interested to see your thoughts.

I've only just put them on my wet weather roady, haven't actually used
them yet. I was most attracted to the handlebar mount, which is the
best of any I've seen in terms of not getting in the way. I have my
computer on my stem, which does cause an issue with the velcro-on
battery but I suspect that's an unusual case. If your stem is clean
and at least 70mm long it should fit beautifully.

The design choice to make the light and battery easy to remove is a
blessing. It's great for avoiding stuff getting nicked. You do have
to remember to take the bits though, if you're planning (or it just
happens!) to be out after dark.

Not having a switch is a pain because to turn the light off, you have
to remove the lamps and battery pack, or have a live wire flapping
around and a plug and a socket that can get crap in them. I think it
can be tucked into the strap, but that's still messy. I understand
the decision, switches are chronically unreliable, but it's still a
PITA. It is easy to remove both, except if you have a populated stem.
I might have to hack into my velcro strap so it doesn't foul on my
computer mount (Sigma BC1200). If you were trying to set it up at
night in the dark you'd need a torch or a decent moonlit night, no
'grope for the switch' here.

I'm very impressed by the construction of the thing, it seems sturdy
and robust, and the 2 3w luxeons seem significantly brighter than my
old 10w halogen Vistalite (now residing in the 'lend to friends'
bucket :) ). Compared to the "seeing"[1] lights we sell in the LBS,
the ayup is great value and I think, a better solution than most I've
seen in terms of mounts. I'm going to see if it's possible to sell
them through the shop, as they're really good.

[1] seeing lights - ie: see where you're going, as opposed to 'be
seen' lights, which are generally LED flashers.

[parawolf[_23_]]

Bleve Wrote:
> I'm very impressed by the construction of the thing, it seems sturdy and
> robust, and the 2 3w luxeons seem significantly brighter than my
> old 10w halogen Vistalite (now residing in the 'lend to friends'
> bucket :) ). Compared to the "seeing"[1] lights we sell in the LBS,
> the ayup is great value and I think, a better solution than most I've
> seen in terms of mounts. I'm going to see if it's possible to sell
> them through the shop, as they're really good.
>
> [1] seeing lights - ie: see where you're going, as opposed to 'be
> seen' lights, which are generally LED flashers.

Bingo, thats what I would hope you were going to say. Happy to stand
behind the product and sell 'em. Good enough for me.


--
parawolf

[ghostgum[_7_]]

Bleve Wrote:
>
> I'm very impressed by the construction of the thing, it seems sturdy
> and robust, and the 2 3w luxeons seem significantly brighter than my
> old 10w halogen Vistalite (now residing in the 'lend to friends'
> bucket :) ).

I'd be interested to compare the light output with my home built Cree
XR-E single LED light (previously it used a Luxeon III).


--
ghostgum

[Bleve]

On May 1, 3:30 pm, ghostgum <ghostgum.2pw...@no-
mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote:
> Bleve Wrote:
>
>
>
> > I'm very impressed by the construction of the thing, it seems sturdy
> > and robust, and the 2 3w luxeons seem significantly brighter than my
> > old 10w halogen Vistalite (now residing in the 'lend to friends'
> > bucket :) ).
>
> I'd be interested to compare the light output with my home built Cree
> XR-E single LED light (previously it used a Luxeon III).

I don't have the facility to test either of them in any sort of non-
subjective manner. What sold me on the ayup was the handlebar/stem
mount. I can get lights wholesale, I didn't get this one because it's
cheap (although it is ....). I don't have the time to spend making my
own, nor the skills with electronics to make something that won't fry
a lamp or chew batteries up :)

[TimC]

On 2007-05-01, Bleve (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> I'm very impressed by the construction of the thing, it seems sturdy
> and robust, and the 2 3w luxeons seem significantly brighter than my
> old 10w halogen Vistalite (now residing in the 'lend to friends'
> bucket :) ).

Ooh, now here's an etiquette question to back up that one about tubes
earlier this year.

What do you do about lending halogen lamps out to friends, and one
blows? They will blow anyway, on average once in 100 hours. The
person who it blows on is just unlucky -- you can't expect them to pay
the full cost of an (expensive! I haven't replaced my nightflux 5w
one yet, because I have only been to one bike shop in 6 months, and
that one tried to sell me a cateye bulb for $50, for what amounts to
an overvolted 4.5v MR11 halogen bulb, $2 from stores somewhere on teh
intarweb) new bulb just because they happened to be the one it blew
on. But I'm not about to volunteer to replace the expensive globe
that I am not using!

--
TimC
The Sell Dervers are balanced behind another Sell Derver, and both
have their data protected from Badness by a Dedundant Array of
Inexpensive Risks -- Aquarion in ASR revealing the secrets of RAID

[TimC]

On 2007-05-01, ghostgum (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
>
> Bleve Wrote:
>>
>> I'm very impressed by the construction of the thing, it seems sturdy
>> and robust, and the 2 3w luxeons seem significantly brighter than my
>> old 10w halogen Vistalite (now residing in the 'lend to friends'
>> bucket :) ).
>
> I'd be interested to compare the light output with my home built Cree
> XR-E single LED light (previously it used a Luxeon III).

I'm just looking for MR11 sized 5W and upwards LEDs that can just be
plugged into my niteflux. They exist, but price seems to be $50
(however, lifetime = 50 times that of a halogen). Still looking...

--
TimC
Computer screens simply ooze buckets of yang.
To balance this, place some women around the corners of the room.
-- Kaz Cooke, Dumb Feng Shui

[Shane Stanley]

In article om>,
Bleve > wrote:

> I've only just put them on my wet weather roady, haven't actually used
> them yet.

It's a bit early to ask you, but I wonder if anyone who has had them for
a while has any comments on the charger and batteries. They sound good,
but maybe I'm being blinded why high-sounding waffle. And it seems to me
that the charger is what lets a lot of bike lights down.

--
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[Bleve]

On May 1, 5:19 pm, Shane Stanley >
wrote:
> In article om>,
>
> Bleve > wrote:
> > I've only just put them on my wet weather roady, haven't actually used
> > them yet.
>
> It's a bit early to ask you, but I wonder if anyone who has had them for
> a while has any comments on the charger and batteries. They sound good,
> but maybe I'm being blinded why high-sounding waffle. And it seems to me
> that the charger is what lets a lot of bike lights down.

I intend to use this thing to death, will keep you informed ....

[Duncan]

On May 1, 5:19 pm, Shane Stanley >
wrote:
> In article om>,
>
> Bleve > wrote:
> > I've only just put them on my wet weather roady, haven't actually used
> > them yet.
>
> It's a bit early to ask you, but I wonder if anyone who has had them for
> a while has any comments on the charger and batteries. They sound good,
> but maybe I'm being blinded why high-sounding waffle. And it seems to me
> that the charger is what lets a lot of bike lights down.

Shouldn't be a problem.

The batteries are Li-Ion, which are pretty trivial to charge compared
to NiMH or NiCad.

Shelf life is another issue... they will drop capacity over time,
regardless of usage patterns.

[parawolf[_24_]]

Well I just placed my order for two sets of AyUp lights and a second
handle bar mount. Looking forward to 'em. Probably scare a few people
on the North Road Ride this time next week hopefully :)


--
parawolf

[ghostgum[_8_]]

Bleve Wrote:
>
> I don't have the facility to test either of them in any sort of non-
> subjective manner. What sold me on the ayup was the handlebar/stem
> mount.

My method of testing several lights was to shine them at the same
surface (dining table ceiling) from the same distance and to photograph
it with a digital camera with fixed exposure. You can find out reliably
which is brighter in the middle. So far figuring out which puts out the
most overall light has been reasonably obvious.

So the way to compare the lights will be to get both your bike and my
bike pointing at the same wall on the same evening.

The handlebar mount is likely to be more elegant than mine! I'm using
a handlebar drink bottle bracket.


--
ghostgum

[ghostgum[_9_]]

parawolf Wrote:
> Well I just placed my order for two sets of AyUp lights and a second
> handle bar mount. Looking forward to 'em. Probably scare a few people
> on the North Road Ride this time next week hopefully :)

Do they have any way to vary the power output? I've got two settings:
full power (4W) and partial power (0.7W). The latter is used when I
don't need to light up the path in front of me, want to extend battery
life, or don't wish to blind an oncoming cyclist. Even on partial
power, a rider 2 metres in front is going to be aware that you are
behind.


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ghostgum

[TimC]

On 2007-05-01, ghostgum (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> Bleve Wrote:
>>
>> I don't have the facility to test either of them in any sort of non-
>> subjective manner. What sold me on the ayup was the handlebar/stem
>> mount.
>
> My method of testing several lights was to shine them at the same
> surface (dining table ceiling) from the same distance and to photograph
> it with a digital camera with fixed exposure. You can find out reliably
> which is brighter in the middle. So far figuring out which puts out the
> most overall light has been reasonably obvious.

And turn off auto colour balance -- dunno how to do that on my camera
-- I seem to recall having done that before, and still coming back
with identical exposures looking a different colour temperature.
Perhaps try shooting in raw mode, if you can decode the file format.

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TimC
"Thanks to the joint efforts of OpenOffice, Mozilla, and a few others, Emacs
officially entered the category of lightweight utilities." -- kalifa on /.

[Bleve]

On May 1, 10:15 pm, ghostgum <ghostgum.2pw...@no-
mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote:
> parawolf Wrote:
>
> > Well I just placed my order for two sets of AyUp lights and a second
> > handle bar mount. Looking forward to 'em. Probably scare a few people
> > on the North Road Ride this time next week hopefully :)
>
> Do they have any way to vary the power output? I've got two settings:
> full power (4W) and partial power (0.7W). The latter is used when I
> don't need to light up the path in front of me, want to extend battery
> life, or don't wish to blind an oncoming cyclist. Even on partial
> power, a rider 2 metres in front is going to be aware that you are
> behind.

No. The philosophy is 'kiss'. The lamps are on swivels so you can
point them down to 'dim' them, but 6 hrs burn time from a single
charge, why bother to dim them? I can understand that reasoning. The
on switch is 'plug it in', if you want to know how simple it is :)

[Dave]

On Tue, 01 May 2007 06:32:29 -0700, Bleve wrote:

> No. The philosophy is 'kiss'. The lamps are on swivels so you can
> point them down to 'dim' them, but 6 hrs burn time from a single
> charge, why bother to dim them? I can understand that reasoning. The
> on switch is 'plug it in', if you want to know how simple it is :)

I understand that philosophy, and have used it myself on previous lights,
but it can be really annoying in racing. A lot of night races require the
marshals to read your number as you transition, and they don't like bright
lights in their face. A glove over the light sort of works, but costs you
control in what is often a slow and awkward area.

It wouldn't be too hard to put an inline switch somewhere and shouldn't
cost any reliability. A touch of gaff can do wonders for keeping
connections together as a backup. Heck, I've seen Dolphin torches gaffed to
handlebars at events before...


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Dave Hughes |
And you don't think the government lets you buy _real_ tinfoil do you?
-- D.C. Ross, the Monastery.

[parawolf[_25_]]

Woo AyUp delivered, ordered Tuesday 7:30pm arrived this morning at my
partners work.

cooool toys to play with tonight ;)


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parawolf

[Bleve]

On May 2, 7:43 am, "Dave" > wrote:
> On Tue, 01 May 2007 06:32:29 -0700, Bleve wrote:
> > No. The philosophy is 'kiss'. The lamps are on swivels so you can
> > point them down to 'dim' them, but 6 hrs burn time from a single
> > charge, why bother to dim them? I can understand that reasoning. The
> > on switch is 'plug it in', if you want to know how simple it is :)
>
> I understand that philosophy, and have used it myself on previous lights,
> but it can be really annoying in racing. A lot of night races require the
> marshals to read your number as you transition, and they don't like bright
> lights in their face. A glove over the light sort of works, but costs you
> control in what is often a slow and awkward area.

I wouldn't use these for racing, that's what HIDs are for.

[Dave]

On Wed, 02 May 2007 22:36:21 -0700, Bleve wrote:

> I wouldn't use these for racing, that's what HIDs are for.

The light I was thinking of was a 5W LED, which was a great secondary
light for racing since it'd run for ages off a smallish battery. The Ayups
sounds as though they'd be good enough for most enduros on their own, and
are probably quite likely to turn up as secondaries on a few HID equipped
riders (most night enduros requiring a 2nd "get home" light just in case).

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Dave Hughes |
"Never make any mistaeks."
(Anonymous, in a mail discussion.)

[parawolf[_26_]]

Damn these things are bright. I guess I haven't experienced HID's
though, but these will be great for riding on the road I reckon.


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parawolf

[ghostgum[_10_]]

parawolf Wrote:
> Damn these things are bright. I guess I haven't experienced HID's
> though, but these will be great for riding on the road I reckon.Now you see why I put the "low beam" setting on mine!


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ghostgum