Todays happy snap... me!

[gplama[_93_]]

...well not that happy..... I overcooked a corner... solo effort, so I
didn't take anyone down.. arh well, thats racing!

http://tinyurl.com/2zrhdf

I am seeing a specialist Monday to discuss my options of pinning it so
I can get back on the bike sooner... anyone ideas of recovery time with
pins/plates? Indoor trainer for the next few weeks I guess.


argh,
lama


--
gplama

[roshea[_39_]]

gplama Wrote:
> ...well not that happy..... I overcooked a corner... solo effort, so I
> didn't take anyone down.. arh well, thats racing!
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2zrhdf
>
> I am seeing a specialist Monday to discuss my options of pinning it so
> I can get back on the bike sooner... anyone ideas of recovery time with
> pins/plates? Indoor trainer for the next few weeks I guess.
>
>
> argh,
> lamaCrap - that's a bad one! :eek: I will leave specialist medical opinions
to others, but from what I understand a plate would have you playing AFL
in under 6 weeks - seems like you're actually better off stuffing it up
like this than getting an undisplaced fracture (like I did getting
intimate with a car :mad:).

You should post that on the other forum too!
(if you can type - that's the other major inconvenience)


--
roshea

[roshea[_40_]]

BTW - time for a new avatar llama! It IS an amazing picture :D


--
roshea

[essendon93[_17_]]

Oh **** lama :(

Hope you have a speedy recovery!


--
essendon93

[parawolf[_27_]]

So has it made a 'tent' with the skin?? :) What drugs did they give you?
:)


--
parawolf

[Snuffy[_5_]]

That's really not a very happy snap....


--
Snuffy

[flyingdutch[_37_]]

eeewwwiiee!!!

Why are your ribs up_there????

oh wait, hangon a minute...

bummer, dude.

Slings gimme the ****s. done my right/shoulder arm 6 times and my left
twice so feel your pain/frustration

from my experience (4 plates, 5 pins. so far...) the plates work well
IF they can drill a clean hole for the bolts/pins. I had a couple that
were loose and so moved around a bit, resulting in a crap mend and
consequently mandatory rebreak to get a straight arm again :mad:

My best advice is INSIST on periodic X-rays to make sure everything is
doing what it should be. 6-8 weeks is too long to wait to see if
everything turns out OK. We aint bakin' cakes here folks!

At least you can toggle the settings over to play with your good hand
in Wii :D:D:D

Oh, and you can probabaly look forward to not being able to get stuff
out of your jersey pockets on that side for a while to come too :(
(sorry to be bearer of bad news)

and seeing as everyone else is avoiding the obvious...

what_happened_to_the_bike? :eek:


--
flyingdutch

[gplama[_94_]]

flyingdutch Wrote:
>
> and seeing as everyone else is avoiding the obvious...
>
> what_happened_to_the_bike? :eek:

looks ok from initial inspection... rear wheel is out.. i'll look
closer when someone gets it out of the car for me :)


--
gplama

[a5hi5m[_6_]]

FAaaarrrKK,

Thats terrible man! Hope you can get a speedy recovery!

Ash


--
a5hi5m

[DeF]

gplama wrote:
> ..well not that happy..... I overcooked a corner... solo effort, so I
> didn't take anyone down.. arh well, thats racing!
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2zrhdf
>
> I am seeing a specialist Monday to discuss my options of pinning it so
> I can get back on the bike sooner... anyone ideas of recovery time with
> pins/plates? Indoor trainer for the next few weeks I guess.
>
>
> argh,
> lama
>
>

Ow, ow, ow - that hurts to look at!

So, did you land on your shoulder or was
it a hands out in front jobbie?

I've had a few stacks but never broken
anything but skin so far (including an
over the bars stack at ~40kph on my fixie).

May your recovery be swift and complete.

DeF.

--
To reply, you'll need to remove your finger.

[gplama[_95_]]

DeF Wrote:
>
> So, did you land on your shoulder or was
> it a hands out in front jobbie?
>

It was up against a steep embankment.. which was soft..ish.
Head/shoulder took all the impact. Helmet was doa.


--
gplama

[essendon93[_18_]]

gplama Wrote:
> It was up against a steep embankment.. which was soft..ish.
> Head/shoulder took all the impact. Helmet was doa.Geez lama what is it you've got against helmets..how manys that now?


--
essendon93

[cfsmtb[_164_]]

Ah fksticks that's gruesome - maybe you and hippy can compare bumps when
he gets back to Aus. (at some point) I'll immediately cease whinging
about muscle knots under my shoulder blades now, they're ****weak by
comparison!

Need some medicinal HB stout to enhance the recovery process?
Bikesoiler has brewed up a fearsome Belgian Triple (13%+) that would go
nicely in a shotglass as a paracetamol forte chaser. ;)


--
cfsmtb

[jazmo[_17_]]

Ouch! Looks nasty.

Have you tried just pushing it back in place and strapping it down?
(kidding ;) ).

Hope to see you kicking some butt on the bike again soon.


--
jazmo

[treadly&me[_16_]]

Whoa!!!

You win! :eek:


--
treadly&me

[gplama[_96_]]

cfsmtb Wrote:
>
> Need some medicinal HB stout to enhance the recovery process?
> Bikesoiler has brewed up a fearsome Belgian Triple (13%+) that would go
> nicely in a shotglass as a paracetamol forte chaser. ;)

I dont drink.... but that may change tomorrow when i find out how long
i'll be off the bike(s)! :|


--
gplama

[rooman[_120_]]

gplama Wrote:
> I dont drink.... but that may change tomorrow when i find out how long
> i'll be off the bike(s)! :|
'[image:
http://www.cyclingforums.com/image.php?u=57776&dateline=1178410686]'
(http://www.cyclingforums.com/member.php?u=57776) noice...

well as you have a few tipples, you can watch the GentWevelgem
Kemmelberg section replays and knowingly wince as they hit the
deck...hope it knits well...ouch


--
rooman

[flipper]

Ouch!! Was that you that went down at Strathewen?

[flipper[_2_]]

Ouch!! Was that you that went down at Strathewen?

[TimC]

On 2007-05-06, gplama (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> DeF Wrote:
>>
>> So, did you land on your shoulder or was
>> it a hands out in front jobbie?
>
> It was up against a steep embankment.. which was soft..ish.
> Head/shoulder took all the impact. Helmet was doa.

Your head didn't do a good job of protecting the rest of your body!

--
TimC
A transistor protected by a fast-acting fuse will protect
the fuse by blowing first. --unknown

[MikeyOz[_53_]]

gplama Wrote:
> I dont drink.... but that may change tomorrow when i find out how long
> i'll be off the bike(s)! :|

Holy cr&p.... that is as close as I want to get to a Broken collar
bone.... I had a hairline fracture in my shoulder once and that was 6
weeks until I could ride a normal bike again. Good luck with the
rehab.

I was told as soon as I could do it without tooooo much pain to do some
weights to help out with the muscles in that area.


--
MikeyOz

[roshea[_41_]]

gplama Wrote:
> I dont drink.... but that may change tomorrow when i find out how long
> i'll be off the bike(s)! :|I found a few drinks was very useful pain relief for the first week or
two after my collarbone incident!


--
roshea

[gplama[_97_]]

roshea Wrote:
> I found a few drinks was very useful pain relief for the first week or
> two after my collarbone incident!

Too many calories... gotta use this couch time wisely, and to slim
down to something around this level:

[image:
http://www.webomatica.com/images/movies/splash/machinist_lg.jpg]


--
gplama

[gplama[_98_]]

MikeyOz Wrote:
> I had a hairline fracture in my shoulder once and that was 6 weeks until
> I could ride a normal bike again. Good luck with the rehab.
>
> I was told as soon as I could do it without tooooo much pain to do some
> weights to help out with the muscles in that area.

cheers MOz.. Hopefully I wont need the upper body strength, I need to
become a pure climber!!! Alternatively, I'll eat take away all day
and go get myself a track bike :eek:


--
gplama

[Theo Bekkers]

gplama wrote:

> It was up against a steep embankment.. which was soft..ish.
> Head/shoulder took all the impact. Helmet was doa.

Sorry about your mishap.

How come that in so many of these offs reported, the helmet suffers a
catastrophic failure, and people seem to think that that's a good thing?

Theo

[PiledHigher]

On May 6, 9:08 am, flyingdutch <flyingdutch.2q4...@no-
mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote:
> eeewwwiiee!!!
>
> Why are your ribs up_there????
>
> oh wait, hangon a minute...
>
> bummer, dude.
>
> Slings gimme the ****s. done my right/shoulder arm 6 times and my left
> twice so feel your pain/frustration
>
> from my experience (4 plates, 5 pins. so far...) the plates work well
> IF they can drill a clean hole for the bolts/pins. I had a couple that
> were loose and so moved around a bit, resulting in a crap mend and
> consequently mandatory rebreak to get a straight arm again :mad:
>
> My best advice is INSIST on periodic X-rays to make sure everything is
> doing what it should be. 6-8 weeks is too long to wait to see if
> everything turns out OK. We aint bakin' cakes here folks!
>
> At least you can toggle the settings over to play with your good hand
> in Wii :D:D:D
>
> Oh, and you can probabaly look forward to not being able to get stuff
> out of your jersey pockets on that side for a while to come too :(
> (sorry to be bearer of bad news)
>
> and seeing as everyone else is avoiding the obvious...
>
> what_happened_to_the_bike? :eek:
>
> --
> flyingdutch

I had mine pinned after a simiar three piece break, nearly two years
ago now. Was back at work on the monday after friday surgery was back
on the bike after about three weeks, but very gingerly. Went skiing
with Dr's permission one week after surgery (but somewhat paranoid)!

General achyness for around 6 months, now just a tiny bit cold
sensitive.

Good luck.

[Bean Long]

gplama wrote:
> ..well not that happy..... I overcooked a corner... solo effort, so I
> didn't take anyone down.. arh well, thats racing!

Hey Lama, well typed! Ouchies! Get well soon.
--
Bean

Remove "yourfinger" before replying

[rooman[_121_]]

Theo Bekkers Wrote:
> gplama wrote:
>
> > It was up against a steep embankment.. which was soft..ish.
> > Head/shoulder took all the impact. Helmet was doa.
>
> Sorry about your mishap.
>
> How come that in so many of these offs reported, the helmet suffers a
> catastrophic failure, and people seem to think that that's a good
> thing?
>
> Theo
depends on what you mean, failure??... or actually doing its job...lama
said doa, that suggests it did its job., not failed... helmets are
oncers...

for the ideal have a look at what Franklin says
http://www.helmets.org/ideal.htm
according to F, such an "ideal" isnt made..


--
rooman

[MikeyOz[_54_]]

rooman Wrote:
> depends on what you mean, failure??... or actually doing its job...lama
> said doa, that suggests it did its job., not failed... helmets are
> oncers...

oh sh*t are we going to go over all this again......

<sarcasm>
Helmets don't do anything for you, the reason everyone wears them is
because they look cool. Oh there is a law thing as well. Mine just
smashed to bits when I was hit by the car, what good is
that!?!?</sarcasm>


--
MikeyOz

[gplama[_99_]]

essendon93 Wrote:
> Geez lama what is it you've got against helmets..how manys that now?

3 in the last 9 months... 4 all up... :)


--
gplama

[parawolf[_28_]]

Seen the specialist yet?


--
parawolf

[PiledHigher]

On May 7, 1:48 pm, gplama <gplama.2q7...@no-
mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote:
> essendon93 Wrote:
>
> > Geez lama what is it you've got against helmets..how manys that now?
>
> 3 in the last 9 months... 4 all up... :)
>
> --
> gplama

Have you thought of buying a recumbant trike?

3 helmets in 13 years is my record.

[gplama[_100_]]

parawolf Wrote:
> Seen the specialist yet?

Op @7am tomorrow... woot


--
gplama

[gplama[_101_]]

PiledHigher Wrote:
>
>
> Have you thought of buying a recumbant trike?
>

I'd rather keep landing on my head :)


--
gplama

[Theo Bekkers]

rooman wrote:
> Theo Bekkers Wrote:

>> How come that in so many of these offs reported, the helmet suffers a
>> catastrophic failure, and people seem to think that that's a good
>> thing?

> depends on what you mean, failure??... or actually doing its
> job...lama said doa, that suggests it did its job., not failed...
> helmets are oncers...

> for the ideal have a look at what Franklin says
> http://www.helmets.org/ideal.htm
> according to F, such an "ideal" isnt made..

That's a good site.

Theo

[parawolf[_29_]]

gplama Wrote:
> Op @7am tomorrow... woot

Ripper, so that means i'll probably see you at the Carlsruhe West
scratch race on 26th of May then??


--
parawolf

[gplama[_102_]]

parawolf Wrote:
> Ripper, so that means i'll probably see you at the Carlsruhe West
> scratch race on 26th of May then??

Sure, in C grade :)


--
gplama

[Theo Bekkers]

MikeyOz wrote:
> rooman Wrote:

>> depends on what you mean, failure??... or actually doing its
>> job...lama said doa, that suggests it did its job., not failed...
>> helmets are oncers...
>
> oh sh*t are we going to go over all this again......

Yeah why not. :-) But feel free to not respond.

> <sarcasm>
> Helmets don't do anything for you, the reason everyone wears them is
> because they look cool. Oh there is a law thing as well. Mine just
> smashed to bits when I was hit by the car, what good is
> that!?!?</sarcasm>

That's a good question. If the helmet shatters when you hit the car, what
happens when you bounce off and hit the road/lamp-post? Seat-belts are also
single use, but what would people do if, in one third of all crashes, the
belt broke during the crash? How much longer do you think that brand of
seat-belt would be allowed to be installed in cars?

Ever hear anybody say "My seat-belt snapped and thus saved my life"? Ever
see a motor-cycle helmet that shattered and the rider survived?

Theo

[EuanB[_47_]]

gplama Wrote:
> ...well not that happy..... I overcooked a corner... solo effort, so I
> didn't take anyone down.. arh well, thats racing! '' (http://)

Ouch! Hope it heals well.


--
EuanB

[Wilchemy[_2_]]

Nasty - all the best for a quick healing.

But for something positive to aim at -According to cycnews a rider from
Skil-Shimano team broke his collarbone in the Ronde van Overijssel on
the weekend & he hopes to be racing in 4 weeks!! :D


--
Wilchemy

[roshea[_42_]]

Wilchemy Wrote:
> Nasty - all the best for a quick healing.
>
> But for something positive to aim at -According to cycnews a rider
> from Skil-Shimano team broke his collarbone in the Ronde van Overijssel
> on the weekend & he hopes to be racing in 4 weeks!! :DMaybe the pro teams have better "recovery tonics" than the general
public can get ;)


--
roshea

[MikeyOz[_57_]]

Theo Bekkers Wrote:
> Ever hear anybody say "My seat-belt snapped and thus saved my life"?
> Ever
> see a motor-cycle helmet that shattered and the rider survived?
>

Are you being serious ????

The slight difference is that Helmets are designed to be DOA like that.
Seat belts are designed NOT to break so you don't end up going through
the windscreen.


--
MikeyOz

[rooman[_124_]]

Theo Bekkers Wrote:
> MikeyOz wrote:
> > rooman Wrote:
>
> >> depends on what you mean, failure??... or actually doing its
> >> job...lama said doa, that suggests it did its job., not failed...
> >> helmets are oncers...
> >
> > oh sh*t are we going to go over all this again......
>
> Yeah why not. :-) But feel free to not respond.
>
> > <sarcasm>
> > Helmets don't do anything for you, the reason everyone wears them is
> > because they look cool. Oh there is a law thing as well. Mine just
> > smashed to bits when I was hit by the car, what good is
> > that!?!?</sarcasm>
>
> That's a good question. If the helmet shatters when you hit the car,
> what
> happens when you bounce off and hit the road/lamp-post? Seat-belts are
> also
> single use, but what would people do if, in one third of all crashes,
> the
> belt broke during the crash? How much longer do you think that brand of
> seat-belt would be allowed to be installed in cars?
>
> Ever hear anybody say "My seat-belt snapped and thus saved my life"?
> Ever
> see a motor-cycle helmet that shattered and the rider survived?
>
> Theo
I guess there has been a trade off in bicycle helmet size, bulk & cost
to produce one that has some effectiveness but not a 100% solution to
every scenario, read the link I quoted and what Franlkin says is his
"ideal" bicycle helmet which covers just that scenario ( the second
impact)...also on Motor Cycle helmets the force vectors statistically
are different for the bulk of Motor Bike incidents so the more rubust
and higher engineered helmet follows, but still lifestyle wishes for
some have brought resistance to this too as commented on below by
Henderson.

Henderson's study *The Effectiveness of Bicycle Helmets*:A Review
revised edition prepared by dr. michael henderson for the motor
accidents authority of new south wales, australia.1995
-[Reorder Number MAARE-010995] [ISBN 0 T310 6435 6]- back in 95 covers
some of this on M/B H's,
" - Excellent evidence from all over the world consistently shows that
bicycle riders who go without head protection are roughly three times
more likely to suffer head injuries in a crash than those who wear a
helmet. Further, a bicyclist who sustains a head injury is some 20
times more likely to die than a rider who suffers other kinds of
injury. -


-But the notion that pedal cyclists should wear protective helmets was
once seen as ridiculous. Helmet use for motorcycle riders was
"different". Motorcycles were perceived as fast and dangerous machines,
and crashing the bike carried a clear and unarguable risk of death or
injury. Therefore, opposition to helmet use for motorcyclists has
always been (in Australia) muted, and based on arguments for civil
liberty rather than on the effectiveness of helmets --On the other
hand, pedal cycles have long been perceived as relatively slow, and
falls and collisions merely inconveniences mostly suffered by children.
The freedom to have one's hair flying in the wind was seen as much more
important than the small risk of head impact if a rider was so
unfortunate as to fall, or be knocked off the bicycle. But some twenty
years ago, these perceptions started to change....-"

as for seat belts... haven't seen one on a bike lately unless you mean
in the bike trailers for kids (, dogs and groceries).

If you have a serious accident, and stress is put through your belt,
insist on it being replaced...the law requires it, the unsurers know
that..don't pussy foot on it. To compare car belts with bicycle helmets
isnt doing apples with apples. Different force vectors again and
different load application to different parts of the body, especially
when one involves localised impact of a head and the other restraint
of movement and inertia of a torso. I've seen the aftermath of broken
seatbelts...it's not pretty...the aftermath of a damaged helemt is
usally much better than the aftermath of a head without one.

Check out this graphic

In a lab test graphs of the impact energy the brain sees look like
this, with a smooth curve extending over 6ms for the good helmet (on
the left below), and a huge spike for a bare head (right).

[image: http://www.helmets.org/images/trace1a.jpg][image:
http://www.helmets.org/images/trace2a.jpg]

Somewhere about half way up that spike is where permanent brain damage
begins.

(see: http://www.helmets.org/general.htm)


--
rooman

[RobM[_7_]]

All the best of luck for the op and subsequent recovery (and that x-ray
is definitely going to be one to show to the grandkids!!).


--
RobM

[TimC]

On 2007-05-07, MikeyOz (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
>
> rooman Wrote:
>> depends on what you mean, failure??... or actually doing its job...lama
>> said doa, that suggests it did its job., not failed... helmets are
>> oncers...
>
> oh sh*t are we going to go over all this again......
>
> <sarcasm>
> Helmets don't do anything for you, the reason everyone wears them is
> because they look cool. Oh there is a law thing as well. Mine just
> smashed to bits when I was hit by the car, what good is
> that!?!?</sarcasm>

It gets you sympathy too when you show people your helmet crushed liek
bug.

--
TimC
TELESCOPE, n.
A device having a relation to the eye similar to that of the
telephone to the ear, enabling distant objects to plague us with a
multitude of needless details. Luckily it is unprovided with a bell
summoning us to the sacrifice.
-- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"

[Resound[_2_]]

"Theo Bekkers" > wrote in message
...
> MikeyOz wrote:
>> rooman Wrote:
>
>>> depends on what you mean, failure??... or actually doing its
>>> job...lama said doa, that suggests it did its job., not failed...
>>> helmets are oncers...
>>
>> oh sh*t are we going to go over all this again......
>
> Yeah why not. :-) But feel free to not respond.
>
>> <sarcasm>
>> Helmets don't do anything for you, the reason everyone wears them is
>> because they look cool. Oh there is a law thing as well. Mine just
>> smashed to bits when I was hit by the car, what good is
>> that!?!?</sarcasm>
>
> That's a good question. If the helmet shatters when you hit the car, what
> happens when you bounce off and hit the road/lamp-post? Seat-belts are
> also single use, but what would people do if, in one third of all crashes,
> the belt broke during the crash? How much longer do you think that brand
> of seat-belt would be allowed to be installed in cars?
>
> Ever hear anybody say "My seat-belt snapped and thus saved my life"? Ever
> see a motor-cycle helmet that shattered and the rider survived?
>

Yeah, it's like all those cars with the shonky crumple zones that just fold
up when you hit something. I mean, what if you hit a bus, bounce off and hit
a lamppost?

[a5hi5m[_7_]]

With this thread well and truely hijacked - looks like basso is in teh
sh1t now.


Hope the op went well lama

Ash


--
a5hi5m

[EuanB[_51_]]

rooman Wrote:
> In a lab test graphs of the impact energy the brain sees look like this,
> with a smooth curve extending over 6ms for the good helmet (on the left
> below), and a huge spike for a bare head (right).

I've probably done far more damage to my brain head banging over the
years.


--
EuanB

[byron27[_54_]]

gplama Wrote:
> 3 in the last 9 months... 4 all up... :)
Mate that is courier like stats.

Just imagine, if you were couriering when you did that you would be
getting paid to play playstation and sit at the pub.


--
byron27

[gplama[_103_]]

a5hi5m Wrote:
> W
> Hope the op went well lama
>
> Ash

All done. In today 7:30am, woke up around 8:30am. Done at the Epworth
in Box Hill by Martin Richardson. A very straight forward operation
with lots of friendly people along the way.

Happy snap: http://tinyurl.com/2zyexp

No more griding together of bones, very little pain (for now). They've
OK'ed cardio work on the trainer... woot! I'll keep my feet up until
the weekend though. 3 weeks until I can put any real weight on it,
then I can ramp things up towards the 6 week mark where I'll be 100%.
Yeehar!


lama - 'now with internal bling'


--
gplama

[DaveB]

byron27 wrote:
> gplama Wrote:
>> 3 in the last 9 months... 4 all up... :)
> Mate that is courier like stats.
>
> Just imagine, if you were couriering when you did that you would be
> getting paid to play playstation and sit at the pub.
>
>

I thought couriers were all sub contractors, so no work = no pay. Well
that was the case when I were a lad (in my very very brief stint as a
bike courier).

DaveB

[Bleve]

On May 8, 1:28 pm, gplama <gplama.2q8...@no-
mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote:

> lama - 'now with internal bling'

Titanium or stainless steel?

[PiledHigher]

On May 8, 1:28 pm, gplama <gplama.2q8...@no-
mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote:
> a5hi5m Wrote:
>
> > W
> > Hope the op went well lama
>
> > Ash
>
> All done. In today 7:30am, woke up around 8:30am. Done at the Epworth
> in Box Hill by Martin Richardson. A very straight forward operation
> with lots of friendly people along the way.
>
> Happy snap:http://tinyurl.com/2zyexp
>
> No more griding together of bones, very little pain (for now). They've
> OK'ed cardio work on the trainer... woot! I'll keep my feet up until
> the weekend though. 3 weeks until I can put any real weight on it,
> then I can ramp things up towards the 6 week mark where I'll be 100%.
> Yeehar!
>
> lama - 'now with internal bling'
>
> --
> gplama

That's who did mine! Nearly asked, as mentioned earlier was pleased
with the outcome.

[gplama[_104_]]

Bleve Wrote:
>
> Titanium or stainless steel?

I didn't ask, hopefully Ti... but it looks like a skewer from a
Huffy... I'll ask when I'm in for review next week.

lama


--
gplama

[Theo Bekkers]

MikeyOz wrote:
> Theo Bekkers Wrote:
>> Ever hear anybody say "My seat-belt snapped and thus saved my life"?
>> Ever
>> see a motor-cycle helmet that shattered and the rider survived?
>>
>
> Are you being serious ????
>
> The slight difference is that Helmets are designed to be DOA like
> that. Seat belts are designed NOT to break so you don't end up going
> through the windscreen.

Helmets are designed to shatter on impact?
Are you being serious????

Theo

[Theo Bekkers]

rooman wrote:

> I guess there has been a trade off in bicycle helmet size, bulk & cost
> to produce one that has some effectiveness but not a 100% solution to
> every scenario, read the link I quoted and what Franlkin says is his
> "ideal" bicycle helmet which covers just that scenario ( the second
> impact)...also on Motor Cycle helmets the force vectors statistically
> are different for the bulk of Motor Bike incidents so the more rubust
> and higher engineered helmet follows, but still lifestyle wishes for
> some have brought resistance to this too as commented on below by
> Henderson.

I read the whole thing mate.

> Henderson's study *The Effectiveness of Bicycle Helmets*:A Review
> revised edition prepared by dr. michael henderson for the motor
> accidents authority of new south wales, australia.1995
> -[Reorder Number MAARE-010995] [ISBN 0 T310 6435 6]- back in 95 covers
> some of this on M/B H's,
> " - Excellent evidence from all over the world consistently shows that
> bicycle riders who go without head protection are roughly three times
> more likely to suffer head injuries in a crash than those who wear a
> helmet. Further, a bicyclist who sustains a head injury is some 20
> times more likely to die than a rider who suffers other kinds of
> injury. -

I'm sure many people would dispute that 'evidence'.

> -But the notion that pedal cyclists should wear protective helmets was
> once seen as ridiculous. Helmet use for motorcycle riders was
> "different".

When I got my motorcycle licence helmets were not a requirement but were
advised. I had one but didn't wear it for the test as I wanted to be able to
hear the instructor's directions.

> On the other hand, pedal cycles have long been perceived as
> relatively slow, and falls and collisions merely inconveniences
> mostly suffered by children.

And indeed, they were.

> If you have a serious accident, and stress is put through your belt,
> insist on it being replaced...the law requires it, the unsurers know
> that..don't pussy foot on it.

No question. I would replace it.

> To compare car belts with bicycle
> helmets isnt doing apples with apples. Different force vectors again
> and different load application to different parts of the body,
> especially when one involves localised impact of a head and the
> other restraint of movement and inertia of a torso. I've seen the
> aftermath of broken seatbelts...it's not pretty...the aftermath of a
> damaged helemt is usally much better than the aftermath of a head
> without one.
>
> Check out this graphic

Nice pictures.

Theo

[gplama[_105_]]

Theo Bekkers Wrote:
>
> Helmets are designed to shatter on impact?
> Are you being serious????
>

Only eTerrorists hijack threads!! Go on, get... get get get!!!! :P


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gplama

[Theo Bekkers]

Resound wrote:
> "Theo Bekkers" wrote

>> That's a good question. If the helmet shatters when you hit the car,
>> what happens when you bounce off and hit the road/lamp-post?
>> Seat-belts are also single use, but what would people do if, in one
>> third of all crashes, the belt broke during the crash? How much
>> longer do you think that brand of seat-belt would be allowed to be
>> installed in cars? Ever hear anybody say "My seat-belt snapped and thus
>> saved my life"?
>> Ever see a motor-cycle helmet that shattered and the rider survived?

> Yeah, it's like all those cars with the shonky crumple zones that
> just fold up when you hit something. I mean, what if you hit a bus,
> bounce off and hit a lamppost?

Hehehe. So you think catastrophic failureof the helmet means it worked too?
Catastrophic failure of a crumple zone in a car means that there was
intrusion into the cabin. Helmets have crumple zones too, it's the
styrofoam. It stops being protective when it shatters. That's when intrusion
happens.

Theo

[roshea[_43_]]

gplama Wrote:
> I didn't ask, hopefully Ti... but it looks like a skewer from a Huffy...
> Or worse!

' http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9466/xray2mn1.png'
(http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9466/xray2mn1.png)

:eek:


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roshea

[Theo Bekkers]

gplama wrote:

> Only eTerrorists hijack threads!! Go on, get... get get get!!!! :P

My real name is David Hicks. Sorry about your thread.

Theo

[gplama[_107_]]

Theo Bekkers Wrote:
>
> My real name is David Hicks. Sorry about your thread.
>

heheh :)


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gplama

[PiledHigher]

On May 8, 1:51 pm, gplama <gplama.2q8...@no-
mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote:
> Bleve Wrote:
>
>
>
> > Titanium or stainless steel?
>
> I didn't ask, hopefully Ti... but it looks like a skewer from a
> Huffy... I'll ask when I'm in for review next week.
>
> lama
>
> --
> gplama

Mines titanium. Not supposed to ever need to take it out either.
Although I do wonder if that means that you just transfer the force
elsewhere if you have another crash...

[EuanB[_53_]]

PiledHigher Wrote:
> On May 8, 1:51 pm, gplama <gplama.2q8...@no-
> mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote:
> > Bleve Wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Titanium or stainless steel?
> >
> > I didn't ask, hopefully Ti... but it looks like a skewer from a
> > Huffy... I'll ask when I'm in for review next week.
> >
> > lama
> >
> > --
> > gplama
>
> Mines titanium. Not supposed to ever need to take it out either.
> Although I do wonder if that means that you just transfer the force
> elsewhere if you have another crash...

I believe titanium's used by default because the body deals with it
better, stand to be corrected. The plate in my leg doesn't need to be
taken out but apparently most people do get it taken out. Very
different injury though so same rules may not apply.


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EuanB

[PiledHigher]

On May 8, 5:38 pm, EuanB >
wrote:
> PiledHigher Wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 8, 1:51 pm, gplama <gplama.2q8...@no-
> > mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote:
> > > Bleve Wrote:
>
> > > > Titanium or stainless steel?
>
> > > I didn't ask, hopefully Ti... but it looks like a skewer from a
> > > Huffy... I'll ask when I'm in for review next week.
>
> > > lama
>
> > > --
> > > gplama
>
> > Mines titanium. Not supposed to ever need to take it out either.
> > Although I do wonder if that means that you just transfer the force
> > elsewhere if you have another crash...
>
> I believe titanium's used by default because the body deals with it
> better, stand to be corrected. The plate in my leg doesn't need to be
> taken out but apparently most people do get it taken out. Very
> different injury though so same rules may not apply.
>
> --
> EuanB- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

As you can see from the plama xray it is right inside the bone, my
xray looks very similar.

It would be very significant surgery to get it back out. I was told
from the start that the pin was unlikely to come out. That was nearly
two years ago.

[PeteSig]

"Theo Bekkers" wrote:

> Hehehe. So you think catastrophic failureof the helmet means it worked
> too? Catastrophic failure of a crumple zone in a car means that there was
> intrusion into the cabin. Helmets have crumple zones too, it's the
> styrofoam. It stops being protective when it shatters. That's when
> intrusion happens.

Theo, you just want to be stroppy today?

You know full well that bike helmets are single use devices. The whole thing
is a 'crumple zone'. Once the foam has been compressed it will no longer
absorb the required energy to protect your brain. So if there has been one
solid impact that damaged the helmet to the point it has broken (and in all
liklihood deformed) it has done it's job of protecting you - that is
assuming you are still alive. Any questions about later impacts are a bit
academic - there may well be later impacts that could cause a mortal injury,
but dead is dead, whether it's the first or second impact.

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Cheers
Peter

~~~ ~ _@
~~ ~ _- \,
~~ (*)/ (*)

[Bleve]

On May 8, 3:09 pm, PiledHigher > wrote:
> On May 8, 1:51 pm, gplama <gplama.2q8...@no-
>
> mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote:
> > Bleve Wrote:
>
> > > Titanium or stainless steel?
>
> > I didn't ask, hopefully Ti... but it looks like a skewer from a
> > Huffy... I'll ask when I'm in for review next week.
>
> > lama
>
> > --
> > gplama
>
> Mines titanium. Not supposed to ever need to take it out either.
> Although I do wonder if that means that you just transfer the force
> elsewhere if you have another crash...

My knee's held together with some exotic Ti alloy screws (ACL
replacement, hamstring graft). You can feel the end of one of the
screws, the other is buried under quadraceps. They're permanent too
(sometimes they get removed, but generally not ... avoid surgery at
almost any cost ...) Welcome to the bionic club :)

[rooman[_130_]]

Bleve Wrote:
> On May 8,,,(ouch)
>
> Welcome to the bionic club :)
had some pins as a kid, but they yanked em out...glad as I have enough
trouble going through airport security with two 'puters, RM Williams
boots and my favouite reversible belt buckle....not as bad as my 83 yo
mom, she has two hi-tech knees, and I took her to the States with me
last trip and at every airport over there I spent 20 mins on the other
side while she entertained security with her light and sound show...

hope you guys don't have such trouble in your dotage...she says it's
not fun being a geriatric terror suspect


--
rooman

[Bleve]

On May 9, 1:04 am, rooman <rooman.2q9...@no-
mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote:
> Bleve Wrote:> On May 8,,,(ouch)
>
> > Welcome to the bionic club :)
>
> had some pins as a kid, but they yanked em out...glad as I have enough
> trouble going through airport security with two 'puters, RM Williams
> boots and my favouite reversible belt buckle....not as bad as my 83 yo
> mom, she has two hi-tech knees, and I took her to the States with me
> last trip and at every airport over there I spent 20 mins on the other
> side while she entertained security with her light and sound show...
>
> hope you guys don't have such trouble in your dotage...she says it's
> not fun being a geriatric terror suspect

My ti alloy bits don't seem to set anything off, at current
sensitivity levels anyway.

[PiledHigher]

On May 9, 9:26 am, Bleve > wrote:
> On May 9, 1:04 am, rooman <rooman.2q9...@no-
>
> mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote:
> > Bleve Wrote:> On May 8,,,(ouch)
>
> > > Welcome to the bionic club :)
>
> > had some pins as a kid, but they yanked em out...glad as I have enough
> > trouble going through airport security with two 'puters, RM Williams
> > boots and my favouite reversible belt buckle....not as bad as my 83 yo
> > mom, she has two hi-tech knees, and I took her to the States with me
> > last trip and at every airport over there I spent 20 mins on the other
> > side while she entertained security with her light and sound show...
>
> > hope you guys don't have such trouble in your dotage...she says it's
> > not fun being a geriatric terror suspect
>
> My ti alloy bits don't seem to set anything off, at current
> sensitivity levels anyway.


I took my x-rays on my first visit to the states post pinning, just in
case!

[gplama[_109_]]

Bleve Wrote:
>
> My ti alloy bits don't seem to set anything off, at current
> sensitivity levels anyway.

Speaking of setting things off... The heart machine they had me hooked
into in recovery kept beeping loudly when I dropped below 50bpm. My
resting HR yesterday was 42, so I was moving my legs to get my HR > 50
to stop it beeping - damn nurses caught onto my game and changed the
threshold to 40. I wasn't ninja enough and couldn't get below 40 :(


--
gplama

[TimC]

On 2007-05-09, gplama (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
>
> Bleve Wrote:
>>
>> My ti alloy bits don't seem to set anything off, at current
>> sensitivity levels anyway.
>
> Speaking of setting things off... The heart machine they had me hooked
> into in recovery kept beeping loudly when I dropped below 50bpm. My
> resting HR yesterday was 42, so I was moving my legs to get my HR > 50
> to stop it beeping - damn nurses caught onto my game and changed the
> threshold to 40. I wasn't ninja enough and couldn't get below 40 :(

HAW. 30.

I win at scaring the nurses.

--
TimC
Can't open /usr/share/games/fortunes/fortunes. Lid stuck on cookie jar.

[monsterman[_48_]]

TimC Wrote:
>
> HAW. 30.
>
> I win at scaring the nurses.
>
> --
> TimC
> Can't open /usr/share/games/fortunes/fortunes. Lid stuck on cookie jar.
TimC - the living dead .... ..... wooooooohhhhhh;
.......woooooOOOOOooooohhh......


--
monsterman

[warrwych[_41_]]

gplama Wrote:
> Speaking of setting things off... The heart machine they had me hooked
> into in recovery kept beeping loudly when I dropped below 50bpm. My
> resting HR yesterday was 42, so I was moving my legs to get my HR > 50
> to stop it beeping - damn nurses caught onto my game and changed the
> threshold to 40. I wasn't ninja enough and couldn't get below 40 :(


All the best for a speedy, uncomplicated recovery Lamaman. Apparently
you'll do anything for attention :p But isn't your HR meant to go up
when the nurses attend to you??? :p


--
warrwych

[hippy[_29_]]

gplama Wrote:
> It was up against a steep embankment.. which was soft..ish.
> Head/shoulder took all the impact. Helmet was doa.

Owaa! Been there..

Get whatever treatment you can and get it done fast!

The docs kept ****ing about with mine (at the same time saying how bad
it looked - great) and as such they didn't re-break it when I went for
the op because it had set. I now have a stickyoutty colar bone. Nice.
****s.

My mate did his shoulder and paid for private treatment, hunted down a
top surgeon and paid for it. He has no trouble now.

Mend soon gpl and mend properly!

hippy


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hippy

[hippy[_30_]]

gplama Wrote:
> Speaking of setting things off... The heart machine they had me hooked
> into in recovery kept beeping loudly when I dropped below 50bpm. My
> resting HR yesterday was 42, so I was moving my legs to get my HR > 50
> to stop it beeping - damn nurses caught onto my game and changed the
> threshold to 40. I wasn't ninja enough and couldn't get below 40 :(

I had the same thing but it wasn't low HR it was low oxygen density or
something. I would be just about to doze off when BEEP BEEP BEEP
DAMN!!!
So I didn't get any proper sleep for a few nights because I don't
breath enough or something. Stupid medical tech.

hippy
"brains brains BRAINS!"


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hippy