Sturmey-Archer trigger shifter mounting

[Luigi de Guzman]

I've taken my old Raleigh Record Sprint (a sport-tourer from the mid-'80s)
to my friendly LBS for a rebuild. Since I already have a derailleur bike,
and I'm too fat/weak to ride fixed, I'm turning it into a 3-speed with a
Sturmey-Archer AW hub. (shoutout here to rbm stalwart Dane Buson--thanks
for the hub D!)

Anyway. I'm going to put mustache bars on it, and am thinking about where
to mount the trigger shifter. Has anyone tried mounting a sturmey-archer
trigger shifter on a stem?

-Luigi de Guzman

http://ouij.livejournal.com

[landotter]

On Jun 16, 10:01 pm, Luigi de Guzman > wrote:
> I've taken my old Raleigh Record Sprint (a sport-tourer from the mid-'80s)
> to my friendly LBS for a rebuild. Since I already have a derailleur bike,
> and I'm too fat/weak to ride fixed, I'm turning it into a 3-speed with a
> Sturmey-Archer AW hub. (shoutout here to rbm stalwart Dane Buson--thanks
> for the hub D!)
>
> Anyway. I'm going to put mustache bars on it, and am thinking about where
> to mount the trigger shifter. Has anyone tried mounting a sturmey-archer
> trigger shifter on a stem?
>
> -Luigi de Guzman
>
> http://ouij.livejournal.com

If I can mount a bell to a quill stem, then you can do the same with a
trigger shifter. However, there's plenty of unused room on a moustache
bar in the stem area that seems more logical to me. My S/A bike has a
high tech system where I can never leave the grip, yet shift AND ring
my red bell at the same time. It's breathtaking!

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On Jun 16, 11:01 pm, Luigi de Guzman > wrote:
> I've taken my old Raleigh Record Sprint (a sport-tourer from the mid-'80s)
> to my friendly LBS for a rebuild. Since I already have a derailleur bike,
> and I'm too fat/weak to ride fixed, I'm turning it into a 3-speed with a
> Sturmey-Archer AW hub. (shoutout here to rbm stalwart Dane Buson--thanks
> for the hub D!)
>
> Anyway. I'm going to put mustache bars on it, and am thinking about where
> to mount the trigger shifter. Has anyone tried mounting a sturmey-archer
> trigger shifter on a stem?
>
> -Luigi de Guzman
>
> http://ouij.livejournal.com


I think those older S-A shifters work best on the curved section of
the handlebar (look at where it's situated on just about any 3-speed
bike, on the curve just past the brake lever). I've used one of these
on a straight section of bar-end, and found that the lever can bottom
out on the bar. This can result in the hub not always clicking into
1st gear, and it also makes it harder to flick the lever into 2nd gear
(though this is easier to do with the later black plastic lever ends,
as opposed to the old flat bare metal ones). So I imagine you'd have
the same issue mounting it on a stem.

Also, these shifters (like many others) are made to just fit the
diameter of a handlebar, and many stems may be the wrong size. If
you're willing to use a modern S-A shifter there are various ones made
now (trigger, gripshift, etc) that could fit your new bars. Check out
http://www.sturmey-archer.com/hubs_3spd_AW.php and click on "view
shifters".

Cheers,
Mark

[Dane Buson]

Luigi de Guzman > wrote:
> I've taken my old Raleigh Record Sprint (a sport-tourer from the mid-'80s)
> to my friendly LBS for a rebuild. Since I already have a derailleur bike,
> and I'm too fat/weak to ride fixed, I'm turning it into a 3-speed with a
> Sturmey-Archer AW hub. (shoutout here to rbm stalwart Dane Buson--thanks
> for the hub D!)

:-)

Now, if I can just finally get the time to finish my own internal gear
hub project...

> Anyway. I'm going to put mustache bars on it, and am thinking about where
> to mount the trigger shifter. Has anyone tried mounting a sturmey-archer
> trigger shifter on a stem?

I can understand why you'd want something like a cyclocomputer on the
stem, but it would seem physically awkward to have the shifter on the
stem. Of course I was thinking straight up. I suppose mounting it
sideways (if you can manage it) might be usable.

--
Dane Buson -
X windows. Garbage at your fingertips.

[Dane Buson]

wrote:
>
> Also, these shifters (like many others) are made to just fit the
> diameter of a handlebar, and many stems may be the wrong size. If
> you're willing to use a modern S-A shifter there are various ones made
> now (trigger, gripshift, etc) that could fit your new bars. Check out
> http://www.sturmey-archer.com/hubs_3spd_AW.php and click on "view
> shifters".

Oooh, I haven't seen that before.

Mmmmm, shifter pr0n.

--
Dane Buson -
A billion here, a billion there -- pretty soon it adds up to real money.
-- Sen. Everett Dirksen, on the U.S. defense budget

[Luigi de Guzman]

On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 09:24:04 -0700, Dane Buson wrote:

> Luigi de Guzman > wrote:
>> I've taken my old Raleigh Record Sprint (a sport-tourer from the mid-'80s)
>> to my friendly LBS for a rebuild. Since I already have a derailleur bike,
>> and I'm too fat/weak to ride fixed, I'm turning it into a 3-speed with a
>> Sturmey-Archer AW hub. (shoutout here to rbm stalwart Dane Buson--thanks
>> for the hub D!)
>
> :-)
>
> Now, if I can just finally get the time to finish my own internal gear
> hub project...
>

What have you got lined up?

>> Anyway. I'm going to put mustache bars on it, and am thinking about where
>> to mount the trigger shifter. Has anyone tried mounting a sturmey-archer
>> trigger shifter on a stem?
>
> I can understand why you'd want something like a cyclocomputer on the
> stem, but it would seem physically awkward to have the shifter on the
> stem. Of course I was thinking straight up. I suppose mounting it
> sideways (if you can manage it) might be usable.

Oh, I was just being speculative. My last m-barred 3-speed had the
trigger at the curve, near the brake lever, but pointing upwards rather
than out.

I may think about mounting a bell on the stem...or finding bells that
thread onto the downtube shifter bosses...

-Luigi

[Luigi de Guzman]

On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 09:32:02 -0700, Dane Buson wrote:


> Mmmmm, shifter pr0n.

Of those, I find the old trigger most appealing.



--
Luigi de Guzman
http://ouij.livejournal.com

[landotter]

On Jun 19, 7:51 pm, Luigi de Guzman > wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 09:32:02 -0700, Dane Buson wrote:
> > Mmmmm, shifter pr0n.
>
> Of those, I find the old trigger most appealing.

I "triggered" a bit tonight on ole Irene, my candy-apple-red-sparkle-
gayer-than-Robert-Goulet's-moustache bike*, and have to say, the
thumbie looks interesting. The trigger is traditional and cool, but a
bit slow.


*I am not gay, the bike only gives me deep tissue massage.

[Luigi de Guzman]

On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 04:56:42 +0000, landotter wrote:

> I "triggered" a bit tonight on ole Irene, my candy-apple-red-sparkle-
> gayer-than-Robert-Goulet's-moustache bike*, and have to say, the thumbie
> looks interesting. The trigger is traditional and cool, but a bit slow.

How fast do you have to be on a three-speed? Back when I was dodging
double-decker buses, triggers seemed quick enough. How's a thumbie faster
than a trigger?

In those days, I rode a Sachs Torpedo, but that's pretty much the same as
a Sturmey-Archer AW. Huge jumps in gearing. Hopping from light to light,
I'd be lucky to move fast enough to click into high gear.

> *I am not gay, the bike only gives me deep tissue massage.

Bitch set you up, obviously, same as Mayor Barry.



--
Luigi de Guzman
http://ouij.livejournal.com

[Dane Buson]

Luigi de Guzman > wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 09:32:02 -0700, Dane Buson wrote:
>
>
>> Mmmmm, shifter pr0n.
>
> Of those, I find the old trigger most appealing.

I like the one that looks like a friction shifter best (SLS3N), the rest
are admittedly much uglier than the old style.

--
Dane Buson -
The world really isn't any worse.
It's just that the news coverage is so much better.

[Dane Buson]

Luigi de Guzman > wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 09:24:04 -0700, Dane Buson wrote:
>>
>> Now, if I can just finally get the time to finish my own internal gear
>> hub project...
>
> What have you got lined up?

An SRAM Spectro 7 speed hub that I built into a 20" Sun CR-18 rim. It's
attached to a Raleigh Twenty that fits nicely into a standard size
hard-shell suitcase. It will be my travel bike and probably loaner.
It's nicely adjustable for different heights.

> I may think about mounting a bell on the stem...or finding bells that
> thread onto the downtube shifter bosses...

Interesting... Which reminds me that I need to find a place to mount a
second bell on my Xtracycle. Number One daugher has her own bell, I
don't want to short Number Two daughter unnecessarily.

--
Dane Buson -
Klatu barada nikto.

[Luigi de Guzman]

On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:29:14 -0700, Dane Buson wrote:

> An SRAM Spectro 7 speed hub that I built into a 20" Sun CR-18 rim. It's
> attached to a Raleigh Twenty that fits nicely into a standard size
> hard-shell suitcase. It will be my travel bike and probably loaner.
> It's nicely adjustable for different heights.

Oooh, nifty. You know, back when I lived in England I saw scores of
Raleigh Twenties (and their lookalikes). It seems that they were
reasonably popular commuting/shopping bikes back in the '70s, and continue
to crank away, carrying students to and fro to this day. I didn't know I
was looking at a cult classic. Ah, youth and inexperience.

Iffenwhen you get it worked out, you should come out to DC. We'll do a
hub-gear tour of the District of Calamity.

>
>> I may think about mounting a bell on the stem...or finding bells that
>> thread onto the downtube shifter bosses...
>
> Interesting... Which reminds me that I need to find a place to mount a
> second bell on my Xtracycle. Number One daugher has her own bell, I
> don't want to short Number Two daughter unnecessarily.

Just as long as it makes a proper "DING!" sound. I find "ting-ling-ling"
bells undignified.

-Luigi

--
Luigi de Guzman
http://ouij.livejournal.com

[landotter]

On Jun 20, 12:02 am, Luigi de Guzman > wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 04:56:42 +0000, landotter wrote:
> > I "triggered" a bit tonight on ole Irene, my candy-apple-red-sparkle-
> > gayer-than-Robert-Goulet's-moustache bike*, and have to say, the thumbie
> > looks interesting. The trigger is traditional and cool, but a bit slow.
>
> How fast do you have to be on a three-speed? Back when I was dodging
> double-decker buses, triggers seemed quick enough. How's a thumbie faster
> than a trigger?

The thumbie clicks instead of settling into a detent--it's hard to
explain. It's nicer feeling for sure--but not some sort of deal
breaker. The grip shifter for SA hubs makes me a bit ill, though. :-P


>
> In those days, I rode a Sachs Torpedo, but that's pretty much the same as
> a Sturmey-Archer AW. Huge jumps in gearing. Hopping from light to light,
> I'd be lucky to move fast enough to click into high gear.

I rode the **** out of my 3spd Sachs in 89-90 on a lovely Kroon when I
lived in Gothenburg. What a majestic ride. No complaints.

>
> > *I am not gay, the bike only gives me deep tissue massage.
>
> Bitch set you up, obviously, same as Mayor Barry.
>

Hey now, I wasn't snorting angel dust off the fenders or anything.

[Dane Buson]

Luigi de Guzman > wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:29:14 -0700, Dane Buson wrote:
>
>> An SRAM Spectro 7 speed hub that I built into a 20" Sun CR-18 rim. It's
>> attached to a Raleigh Twenty that fits nicely into a standard size
>> hard-shell suitcase. It will be my travel bike and probably loaner.
>> It's nicely adjustable for different heights.
>
> Oooh, nifty. You know, back when I lived in England I saw scores of
> Raleigh Twenties (and their lookalikes). It seems that they were
> reasonably popular commuting/shopping bikes back in the '70s, and continue
> to crank away, carrying students to and fro to this day. I didn't know I
> was looking at a cult classic. Ah, youth and inexperience.
>
> Iffenwhen you get it worked out, you should come out to DC. We'll do a
> hub-gear tour of the District of Calamity.

That sounds like fun. Though it will have to be next summer more than
likely. I'll be out east again in the beginning of August, but it will
be four days mainly with the parents.

>>> I may think about mounting a bell on the stem...or finding bells that
>>> thread onto the downtube shifter bosses...
>>
>> Interesting... Which reminds me that I need to find a place to mount a
>> second bell on my Xtracycle. Number One daugher has her own bell, I
>> don't want to short Number Two daughter unnecessarily.
>
> Just as long as it makes a proper "DING!" sound. I find "ting-ling-ling"
> bells undignified.

They're also just not very loud. I have a proper dingy bell for the
rear mount. I'll have to find another for Number Two daughter.

--
Dane Buson -
Modern art is what happens when painters stop looking at girls and persuade
themselves that they have a better idea.
-- John Ciardi