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ilaboo[_2_]
December 19th 07, 02:00 PM
need a little help

can you send me the cost of a slice of pizza in your community?

i need the date, the community and the cost
any help really is appreciated.

here in da Bronx it is now $2.50 a slice
doing a study of the cost of a slice of pizza across the country--ultimate
result will be correlating the cost with a bushel of corn--I want to then
write a letter to all the newspapers in iowa and nebraska explaining to the
people what the cost of ethanol from corn really means to the people in the
cities-- also maybe encourage them to use the ethanol they produce to run
the tractors they use--they can convert their diesls to run it ( remove the
engine and replace it with a gasohol using one.)

yes i know there are a lot of other parameters i can use but this to me is
the simplest--and i think most people can relate to


tia

peter

December 19th 07, 04:00 PM
On Dec 19, 6:00 am, "ilaboo" > wrote:
> need a little help
>
> can you send me the cost of a slice of pizza in your community?
>
> i need the date, the community and the cost
> any help really is appreciated.
>
> here in da Bronx it is now $2.50 a slice
> doing a study of the cost of a slice of pizza across the country--ultimate
> result will be correlating the cost with a bushel of corn--I want to then
> write a letter to all the newspapers in iowa and nebraska explaining to the
> people what the cost of ethanol from corn really means to the people in the
> cities-- also maybe encourage them to use the ethanol they produce to run
> the tractors they use--they can convert their diesls to run it ( remove the
> engine and replace it with a gasohol using one.)
>
> yes i know there are a lot of other parameters i can use but this to me is
> the simplest--and i think most people can relate to
>
> tia
>
> peter

You're going to need a LOT of data, and in time-series, to make it
even remotely meaningful.

Good luck!

Neil
(haven't bought a slice in a looooooong time)

Leo Lichtman
December 19th 07, 04:50 PM
"ilaboo" > wrote: (clip) ultimate
> result will be correlating the cost with a bushel of corn--I want to then
> write a letter to all the newspapers in iowa and nebraska (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Do they make pizza with corn meal in da Bronx? Well, I've got news for
you--they don't do it that way anywhere else. Oh, and when you write the
letter, you will gain credibility if you capitalize "Iowa" and "Nebraska."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
(clip) o maybe encourage them to use the ethanol they produce to run
the tractors they use--they can convert their diesls to run it ( remove the
engine and replace it with a gasohol using one.) (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Sure! The farmers are going to spend big bucks to replace their engines,
and run them on a higher priced fuel, because they don't want to see the
price of corn go up. BTW, do you know that farmers don't make ethanol?
They would have to buy it from someone who makes it from their corn, at an
all-time high price.

SMS 斯蒂文• 夏
December 19th 07, 05:16 PM
ilaboo wrote:
> need a little help
>
> can you send me the cost of a slice of pizza in your community?

In the San Francisco Bay Area it's $2-3 depending on the restaurant.
Costco charges $2 for a large slice, while other places are around
$2.50-3 for a smaller (sometimes better) slice. Blondie's in San
Francisco can be good or bad depending on how long the pizza has been
sitting around, and is $3.50 for a slice and a soda.

Diablo Scott
December 19th 07, 06:34 PM
SMS 斯蒂文• 夏 wrote:
> Blondie's in San
> Francisco can be good or bad depending on how long the pizza has been
> sitting around, and is $3.50 for a slice and a soda.


Just to skew the data, Blondie's will give you a free slice and a coke
on your birthday. "Thank you for existing"

John Kane
December 19th 07, 07:13 PM
On Dec 19, 9:00 am, "ilaboo" > wrote:
> need a little help
>
> can you send me the cost of a slice of pizza in your community?
>
> i need the date, the community and the cost
> any help really is appreciated.
>
> here in da Bronx it is now $2.50 a slice
> doing a study of the cost of a slice of pizza across the country--ultimate
> result will be correlating the cost with a bushel of corn--I want to then
> write a letter to all the newspapers in iowa and nebraska explaining to the
> people what the cost of ethanol from corn really means to the people in the
> cities-- also maybe encourage them to use the ethanol they produce to run
> the tractors they use--they can convert their diesls to run it ( remove the
> engine and replace it with a gasohol using one.)
>
> yes i know there are a lot of other parameters i can use but this to me is
> the simplest--and i think most people can relate to
>
> tia
>
> peter

$cdn 2.00

landotter
December 20th 07, 01:37 AM
On Dec 19, 1:13 pm, John Kane > wrote:
> On Dec 19, 9:00 am, "ilaboo" > wrote:
>
>
>
> > need a little help
>
> > can you send me the cost of a slice of pizza in your community?
>
> > i need the date, the community and the cost
> > any help really is appreciated.
>
> > here in da Bronx it is now $2.50 a slice
> > doing a study of the cost of a slice of pizza across the country--ultimate
> > result will be correlating the cost with a bushel of corn--I want to then
> > write a letter to all the newspapers in iowa and nebraska explaining to the
> > people what the cost of ethanol from corn really means to the people in the
> > cities-- also maybe encourage them to use the ethanol they produce to run
> > the tractors they use--they can convert their diesls to run it ( remove the
> > engine and replace it with a gasohol using one.)
>
> > yes i know there are a lot of other parameters i can use but this to me is
> > the simplest--and i think most people can relate to
>
> > tia
>
> > peter
>
> $cdn 2.00

About $17 USD then?

Tom Keats
December 20th 07, 03:04 AM
In article >,
"Leo Lichtman" > writes:

....

> BTW, do you know that farmers don't make ethanol?

Actually, I've met a few who do.

And they make quite righteous stuff, too.

Apparently a lot of the trick is knowing when
to get rid of the heads & tails, which contain fusel
oils and methanol. Multiple charcoal filterings helps,
too, if you've got the wherewithal.

Back in the day in British Columbia, farmers could
get gasoline delivered, if they had their own tank,
to fill their farm machinery. The gas was dyed
purple to indicate the lack of road taxes. If
the dyed gas was used in a road vehicle it would
leave a purple blush around the carburetor (back
when there were carburetors.) If caught by the
police with that purple stain, you could be in
for it.

If the farmer was in good standing with the
gas delivery guy, the gas delivery guy would
give the farmer the purple dye pellets to drop
into his gasoline tank himself. Maybe /after/
the farmer filled up his p/u truck.
Don't ask; don't tell.


cheers,
Tom

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Tom Sherman[_2_]
December 20th 07, 03:14 AM
ilaboo aka Peter Who? wrote:
> need a little help
>
> can you send me the cost of a slice of pizza in your community?
>
> i need the date, the community and the cost
> any help really is appreciated.
>
> here in da Bronx it is now $2.50 a slice
> doing a study of the cost of a slice of pizza across the country--ultimate
> result will be correlating the cost with a bushel of corn--I want to then
> write a letter to all the newspapers in iowa and nebraska explaining to the
> people what the cost of ethanol from corn really means to the people in the
> cities-- also maybe encourage them to use the ethanol they produce to run
> the tractors they use--they can convert their diesls to run it ( remove the
> engine and replace it with a gasohol using one.)...

Ever priced a diesel engine? Not something to be casually tossed out.

By the way, any land that is good for growing corn is also good for
growing soybeans. Soybeans can be used to produce biodiesel fuel,
negating the need to dispose of a perfectly good engine. Besides, the
higher torque characteristics at lower engine speed of the diesel engine
compared to the Otto cycle engine make the former more favorable for
powering agricultural equipment.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

Tom Keats
December 20th 07, 03:20 AM
In article >,
Tom Sherman > writes:

> By the way, any land that is good for growing corn is also good for
> growing soybeans.

It's also good for growing food so that people
can ... you know... survive.

I bet the current incarnation of the likes of Monsanto
would love to corner (i.e: monopolize) the biofuel
production market.


cheers, & Soylent Green is indeed "people",
Tom

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Jym Dyer
December 20th 07, 04:21 AM
> Do they make pizza with corn meal in da Bronx? Well, I've
> got news for you--they don't do it that way anywhere else.

=v= I would guess it has more to do with corn syrup in the
crust and sauce. Also, cornmeal pizza *does* exist, though
I suspect that's not what's under discussion here.
<_Jym_>

Michael Baldwin
December 20th 07, 04:46 AM
ilaoo asks - can you send me the cost of a slice of pizza in your
community?

...here in Michigan, the second most obese state in the country, SLICE
is a verb!

...I can get a medium size "pizza" from the Little Caesars chain for
$5.00...so I guess my "slice" costs more than yours...but I blame that
on the Chinese...

Best Regards - Mike Baldwin

Zoot Katz
December 20th 07, 05:01 AM
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:21:06 -0800 (PST), Jym Dyer >
wrote:

>> Do they make pizza with corn meal in da Bronx? Well, I've
>> got news for you--they don't do it that way anywhere else.
>
>=v= I would guess it has more to do with corn syrup in the
>crust and sauce. Also, cornmeal pizza *does* exist, though
>I suspect that's not what's under discussion here.


Most places prep pizzas on a sprinkling of cornmeal before it goes
into the oven. A bit of cornmeal adheres to the wheat crust and helps
keep it from sticking to the oven bottom or pan.

Burning food to feed cars is a death sentence for the world's
starving before reducing a belt notch for the world's mass consumers.

Pizza slices here run from 99 cents to ~$3.50 depending on where you
go. I like the stuff down ~14th @ Main where the house special is
always an interesting combination for a buck-fifty.
--
zk

Tom Keats
December 20th 07, 08:27 AM
In article >,
(Michael Baldwin) writes:
> ilaoo asks - can you send me the cost of a slice of pizza in your
> community?
>
> ..here in Michigan, the second most obese state in the country, SLICE
> is a verb!
>
> ..I can get a medium size "pizza" from the Little Caesars chain for
> $5.00..

Those "hot 'n readies" aren't real pizzas.
I dunno what they are, but they surely
don't qualify as anything desirable.

> so I guess my "slice" costs more than yours...but I blame that
> on the Chinese...

I put the blame on the love of Mammon.

I can get two slices of not-too-bad-pie + a can
o' Coke for $ 2.99 Cdn. Simon knows me, so I
also get a "Hi, how'ya doin'?" That's priceless.

Blaming people whom one doesn't even know is too easy.

I can't blame Simon for: "I Can't Believe It's Not
Polish" Sausage.

Actually that probably wouldn't go too bad on a pie.
'Specially w/ double cheese, and the upper layer scorched.
And a bunch of extra garlic. And green olive slices.
And the right kind of mushrooms.


cheers,
Tom

--

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dgk
December 20th 07, 01:36 PM
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:04:43 -0800, (Tom Keats)
wrote:

>In article >,
> "Leo Lichtman" > writes:
>
>...
>
>> BTW, do you know that farmers don't make ethanol?
>
>Actually, I've met a few who do.
>
>And they make quite righteous stuff, too.
>
>Apparently a lot of the trick is knowing when
>to get rid of the heads & tails, which contain fusel
>oils and methanol. Multiple charcoal filterings helps,
>too, if you've got the wherewithal.
>
>Back in the day in British Columbia, farmers could
>get gasoline delivered, if they had their own tank,
>to fill their farm machinery. The gas was dyed
>purple to indicate the lack of road taxes. If
>the dyed gas was used in a road vehicle it would
>leave a purple blush around the carburetor (back
>when there were carburetors.) If caught by the
>police with that purple stain, you could be in
>for it.
>
>If the farmer was in good standing with the
>gas delivery guy, the gas delivery guy would
>give the farmer the purple dye pellets to drop
>into his gasoline tank himself. Maybe /after/
>the farmer filled up his p/u truck.
>Don't ask; don't tell.
>
>
>cheers,
> Tom

Great! Having learned something new today, I can go back to work.

John Kane
December 20th 07, 05:02 PM
On Dec 19, 8:37 pm, landotter > wrote:
> On Dec 19, 1:13 pm, John Kane > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 19, 9:00 am, "ilaboo" > wrote:
>
> > > need a little help
>
> > > can you send me the cost of a slice of pizza in your community?
>
> > > i need the date, the community and the cost
> > > any help really is appreciated.
>
> > > here in da Bronx it is now $2.50 a slice
> > > doing a study of the cost of a slice of pizza across the country--ultimate
> > > result will be correlating the cost with a bushel of corn--I want to then
> > > write a letter to all the newspapers in iowa and nebraska explaining to the
> > > people what the cost of ethanol from corn really means to the people in the
> > > cities-- also maybe encourage them to use the ethanol they produce to run
> > > the tractors they use--they can convert their diesls to run it ( remove the
> > > engine and replace it with a gasohol using one.)
>
> > > yes i know there are a lot of other parameters i can use but this to me is
> > > the simplest--and i think most people can relate to
>
> > > tia
>
> > > peter
>
> > $cdn 2.00
>
> About $17 USD then?

1.99 USD . Canadian dollar seems to have slipped below parity again.
I wonder what this is doing the the Buffalo malls>

John Kane, Kingston ON Canada

Pat[_4_]
December 20th 07, 07:22 PM
"ilaboo" <I think the simplest parameter would be the cost of milk. When the
corn-into-fuel foolishness started, everything to do with milk went up (such
as milk, butter, cream, half and half, etc). With pizza, you might have
different ingredients and toppings to consider. With milk, it's just the
cost of a gallon of milk.....

Pat[_4_]
December 20th 07, 07:24 PM
>
> Ever priced a diesel engine? Not something to be casually tossed out.
>
> By the way, any land that is good for growing corn is also good for
> growing soybeans. Soybeans can be used to produce biodiesel fuel, negating
> the need to dispose of a perfectly good engine. Besides, the higher torque
> characteristics at lower engine speed of the diesel engine compared to the
> Otto cycle engine make the former more favorable for powering agricultural
> equipment.
>
> --
> Tom Sherman -

a truck fueled with bio-diesel passed me the other day as I was riding my
bicycle. Suddenly, the air was filled with the smell of sauteed onions.....

DennisTheBald
December 20th 07, 07:54 PM
> they can convert their diesls to run it ( remove the
> engine and replace it with a gasohol using one.)

more than likely their diesels will run on plant based fuels without
modification. I suspect that diesel tractors are common even in the
bronx as everything you've got came on a truck and those little bob-
tails just ain't as efficient as the big rig, so don't start thinking
that all the converting is somebody else's rat to kill. Diesel
engines were being run on straight peanut oil in the early 1900 by
Rudolf himself. Biodiesel is frequently made without any petroleum
products (although most US retailers are selling a product that is at
least 20% petrol based). The higher the vegetable oil content the
less foul the exhaust smells. This "vegetable" can be a wide variety
of seeds including corn. Non-edible rape seed is common in Germany,
sunflowers produce more oil per acre than either corn or soybeans.

But this isn't the only detail that seems to elude you. While a slice
of pizza maybe a ubiquitous standard of dining in the bronx,
throughout the rest of the US pizza is sold primarily as whole pies.
You may find a few establishments that offer a lunch special involving
a single slice in the larger metropolitan areas. But the coin of the
realm so to speak in Nebraska, Iowa and the rest of the grain belt
will be either made to order pies or all you can eat buffets. Yes
siree-bob them farm boys do like to eat, and a single slice ain't
worth climbing down outta that combine for.

Ummm, Grain Belt... don't mind if I do.

Michael Baldwin
December 21st 07, 02:52 AM
Tom say's - Those "hot 'n readies" aren't real pizzas.

....I agree, that's why I put "pizza" in quotes...:)

Best Regards - Mike Baldwin

Tom Keats
December 23rd 07, 10:40 AM
In article >,
(Michael Baldwin) writes:
> Tom say's - Those "hot 'n readies" aren't real pizzas.
>
> ...I agree, that's why I put "pizza" in quotes...:)

It occurs to me they (Little Caesar's Hot 'n Ready
pizzas) might be rendered viable by using them to
shingle a batch of Beefaroni that's been slowly
stewed with a little extra ground beef, mushrooms,
a righteous shot of freshly ground black pepper,
the kind of ground, red chili peppers you sprinkle
on real pizzas, a li'l fresh tarragon crumbled by
rubbing itbetween the palms of your hands, and a
pinch (or a pinch 'n a half) of oregano. For my
own personal chemistry, black pepper intensifies
chili peppers -- it's like a catalyst.

And of course, however much garlic suits your palate.
And some Anaheim pepper slices, put in last so they
don't overcook and become limp corpses.

Stick a chicken Cacciatore on top of all that,
and yer off 'n runnin'. BBQ ribs would probably
work, too.

Oops. I almost forgot to mention the really potent
Romano cheese.

I like to apply it about mid-way through the cooking
process so that some but not all of the hell is
cooked out of it.

If you can't get really potent Romano cheese,
Parmesan will do in a pinch. Just don't cook it;
sprinkle it on after the fact when it's hot-off,
and let it sit for a minute, and let the stored
heat of the concoction soak it in.

It suddenly occurs to me that turkey cacciatore
might be interesting.

When you eat all the stuff off the top, and the
Little Caesar's Hot 'n Ready pizza remains on the
bottom, and your sufficiency is replete, you can
just throw it away. Give it to the crows in the
back yard.


cheers,
Tom

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Leo Lichtman
December 23rd 07, 04:42 PM
"Tom Keats" wrote: When you eat all the stuff off the top, and the
> Little Caesar's Hot 'n Ready pizza remains on the
> bottom, and your sufficiency is replete, you can
> just throw it away. (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Stone soup.

nash
January 2nd 08, 04:11 AM
It suddenly occurs to me that turkey cacciatore
might be interesting.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

You might like Turkey Chili judging buy your hot and spicy ingredients

January 2nd 08, 08:43 PM
On Dec 20 2007, 12:02 pm, John Kane > wrote:
> On Dec 19, 8:37 pm, landotter > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 19, 1:13 pm, John Kane > wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 19, 9:00 am, "ilaboo" > wrote:
>
> > > > need a little help
>
> > > > can you send me the cost of a slice of pizza in your community?
>
> > > > i need the date, the community and the cost
> > > > any help really is appreciated.
>
> > > > here in da Bronx it is now $2.50 a slice
> > > > doing a study of the cost of a slice of pizza across the country--ultimate
> > > > result will be correlating the cost with a bushel of corn--I want to then
> > > > write a letter to all the newspapers in iowa and nebraska explaining to the
> > > > people what the cost of ethanol from corn really means to the people in the
> > > > cities-- also maybe encourage them to use the ethanol they produce to run
> > > > the tractors they use--they can convert their diesls to run it ( remove the
> > > > engine and replace it with a gasohol using one.)
>
> > > > yes i know there are a lot of other parameters i can use but this to me is
> > > > the simplest--and i think most people can relate to
>
> > > > tia
>
> > > > peter
>
> > > $cdn 2.00
>
> > About $17 USD then?
>
> 1.99 USD . Canadian dollar seems to have slipped below parity again.
> I wonder what this is doing the the Buffalo malls>
>
> John Kane, Kingston ON Canada

They're still crazy. With the 14% GST you guys have going on up there
the exchange doesn't even need to be close to be worth the trip.

Brian Huntley
January 2nd 08, 10:30 PM
On Jan 2, 3:43*pm, wrote:
> On Dec 20 2007, 12:02 pm, John Kane > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 19, 8:37 pm, landotter > wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 19, 1:13 pm, John Kane > wrote:
>
> > > > On Dec 19, 9:00 am, "ilaboo" > wrote:
>
> > > > > need a little help
>
> > > > > can you send me the cost of a slice of pizza in your community?
>
> > > > > i need the date, the community and the cost
> > > > > any help really is appreciated.
>
> > > > > here in da Bronx it is now $2.50 a slice
> > > > > doing a study of the cost of a slice of pizza across the country--ultimate
> > > > > result will be correlating the cost with a bushel of corn--I want to then
> > > > > write a letter to all the newspapers in iowa and nebraska explaining to the
> > > > > people what the cost of ethanol from corn really means to the people in the
> > > > > cities-- also maybe encourage them to use the ethanol they produce to run
> > > > > the tractors they use--they can convert their diesls to run it ( remove the
> > > > > engine and replace it with a gasohol using one.)
>
> > > > > yes i know there are a lot of other parameters i can use but this to me is
> > > > > the simplest--and i think most people can relate to
>
> > > > > tia
>
> > > > > peter
>
> > > > $cdn 2.00
>
> > > About $17 USD then?
>
> > 1.99 USD . *Canadian dollar seems to have slipped below parity again.
> > I wonder what this is doing the the Buffalo malls>
>
> > John Kane, Kingston ON Canada
>
> They're still crazy. *With the 14% GST you guys have going on up there
> the exchange doesn't even need to be close to be worth the trip.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

It's 5% GST (as of today) and 8% provincial tax, totally 13% actually.
And you're supposed to pay the GST at the border for things you bring
back, anyway. I'm not sure abotu the PST - I believe some provinces
collect it as well: I don't generally shop away from home.

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