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[Zoot Katz]

Shortly after I started posting to these groups in the late summer of
2000 I wrote that I wouldn't be satisfied until "everybody" was
riding leather, wearing wool and grinding their own lumens.

Now, parking at bike racks, where I'd not before noticed another
leather saddle there's generally at least one. I'm starting to see
more generator powered lights too. Though wool has never really been
out among the cognoscenti it's again starting to fizz on the masses.

I'm not claiming any kind of credit for this nor am I vowing to quit
posting. I'm merely commenting that it's hard to keep the
perennially good ideas secret through history.
--
zk

[Tom Sherman[_2_]]

Zoot Katz wrote:
> Shortly after I started posting to these groups in the late summer of
> 2000 I wrote that I wouldn't be satisfied until "everybody" was
> riding leather, wearing wool and grinding their own lumens.
>
> Now, parking at bike racks, where I'd not before noticed another
> leather saddle there's generally at least one. I'm starting to see
> more generator powered lights too. Though wool has never really been
> out among the cognoscenti it's again starting to fizz on the masses.
>
> I'm not claiming any kind of credit for this nor am I vowing to quit
> posting. I'm merely commenting that it's hard to keep the
> perennially good ideas secret through history.

I prefer a seat pad of industrial hemp. Due to irrational behavior among
the Congress Critters, it has to be imported material. :(

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people."
- A. Derleth

[Zoot Katz]

On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:10:52 -0600, Tom Sherman
> wrote:

>I prefer a seat pad of industrial hemp. Due to irrational behavior among
>the Congress Critters, it has to be imported material. :(
>
>--
>Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia

I knew vegetarians in the seventies who switched to plastic but
wanted canvas.

A person would be hard pressed to eat their Brooks but it probably
boils into a better broth than nylon. PVC or hemp.
--
zk

[ZBicyclist]

Zoot Katz wrote:
> Shortly after I started posting to these groups in the late summer of
> 2000 I wrote that I wouldn't be satisfied until "everybody" was
> riding leather, wearing wool and grinding their own lumens.
>
> Now, parking at bike racks, where I'd not before noticed another
> leather saddle there's generally at least one. I'm starting to see
> more generator powered lights too. Though wool has never really been
> out among the cognoscenti it's again starting to fizz on the masses.
>
> I'm not claiming any kind of credit for this nor am I vowing to quit
> posting. I'm merely commenting that it's hard to keep the
> perennially good ideas secret through history.

I'm seeing more leather saddles and the occasional generator as well.

--
Mike Kruger
Gravity -- It's not just a good idea. It's the law.

[landotter]

On Jan 12, 11:54 pm, Zoot Katz > wrote:
> Shortly after I started posting to these groups in the late summer of
> 2000 I wrote that I wouldn't be satisfied until "everybody" was
> riding leather, wearing wool and grinding their own lumens.

I dunno about the leather, I think it's quite silly to ride a leather
saddle on a daily rider. Have a look at Dutch bikes, rarely do you see
a leather saddle. I'm saying this as somebody that's suffered tens of
thousands of miles on a leather saddle. What's changed is that cheapo
OEM saddles have gotten quite decent. I remember buying a Marin ten
years ago and the OEM saddle was heinous. However, the last three
bikes I've bought have had house branded "Velo" saddles which are
fine. The one on my Kona qualifies as the most comfy saddle I've ever
owned--and it's solid state and rain proof. We went through some dark
OEM saddle years, but we've mostly made it through.

I'll take my lumens via AAs, thankyouverymuch. I've got a fork mount
Basta in my ****it buckit, the northern yurpeen standard one, missing
a headlight, but going through $3 of batteries a month for my LED
ain't a hardship. I spent way too much energy fighting both the wind
and my dynamo when I lived in Gothenburg to ever want to do that
again.

Wool, whatever. If it's really super cold, a might wear a military
sweater, but otherwise, for city riding, who cares, other than a good
light shell. The true skill is finding a pace that keeps you from
sweating.

[Ozark Bicycle]

On Jan 14, 11:52*am, still just me > wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 08:36:24 -0800 (PST), landotter
>
> > wrote:
> >On Jan 12, 11:54 pm, Zoot Katz > wrote:
> >> Shortly after I started posting to these groups in the late summer of
> >> 2000 I wrote that I wouldn't be satisfied until "everybody" was
> >> riding leather, wearing wool and grinding their own lumens.
>
> >I dunno about the leather, I think it's quite silly to ride a leather
> >saddle on a daily rider. Have a look at Dutch bikes, rarely do you see
> >a leather saddle.
>
> WTF do they know, they wear wooden shoes.


It could be worse: they could wear leather shoes, but ride wooden
saddles. :-)


>
> > I'm saying this as somebody that's suffered tens of
> >thousands of miles on a leather saddle.
>
> Then you rode the wrong saddle or a poorly fitted/broken-in one.
>

********. It's unrealistic to think *everyone* will find a leather
saddle to their liking.

[landotter]

On Jan 14, 4:09 pm, Ozark Bicycle
> wrote:

> ********. It's unrealistic to think *everyone* will find a leather
> saddle to their liking.

I've been through four-5 different models with various widths and
tensions on various city bikes, verging on an obsession. Then I got a
city bike with a WTB saddle and stopped wanting to be iconoclastic.
The Velos are even better. It's an ass Cadillac for sure. Yeah, your
bits will go numb after ten miles, but I don't ride that far in the
city. The Planet Bike Men's Classic Comfort saddle for $19 is pretty
good for a utility bike as well, it might be a rebranded Velo.

[Luke]

In article
>,
landotter > wrote:

> On Jan 14, 4:09 pm, Ozark Bicycle
> > wrote:
>
> > ********. It's unrealistic to think *everyone* will find a leather
> > saddle to their liking.
>
> I've been through four-5 different models with various widths and
> tensions on various city bikes, verging on an obsession. Then I got a
> city bike with a WTB saddle and stopped wanting to be iconoclastic.

<snip>

Corroborate that. I love my B17s, but the day I plopped my derriere on
a WTB Speed V Comp Saddle -- the name is a pretentious; what does
'Speed V Comp' refer to anyway? -- was a real eye opener. Don't have to
worry about a black arse when riding in the rain too.

[Tom Sherman[_2_]]

Zoot Katz wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:10:52 -0600, Tom Sherman
> > wrote:
>
>> I prefer a seat pad of industrial hemp. Due to irrational behavior among
>> the Congress Critters, it has to be imported material. :(
>>
>> --
>> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
>
> I knew vegetarians in the seventies who switched to plastic but
> wanted canvas.
>
> A person would be hard pressed to eat their Brooks but it probably
> boils into a better broth than nylon. PVC or hemp.
>
On the other hand, a close relative of industrial hemp makes for very
interesting seasoning!

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people."
- A. Derleth