Ear splitting horn for dog protection?

[Jim Martin[_2_]]

Hello All:

There is a road in my area that is closed to traffic for the spring.
Perfect for riding except that it is also popular among people who walk
their dogs. Most of the people let their dogs off the leash and it can
be pretty dangerous. Many of the dogs seem to want to run right into my
front wheel. Of course the owners are dozens of yards away and do
nothing about. Brings to mind a joke: Question: How does a dog owner
greet a cyclist? Ans: Oh, sorry!

So, I am imagining that there must a horn I can buy that would send
these dogs running for cover. Something with a CO2 cartridge for power.
Mounted on my bars it could clear a safe path through the dogs.

Can anyone point me a source for such a horn and handlebar mount?

Thanks,

Jim

[_[_2_]]

On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 08:02:27 -0600, Jim Martin wrote:

> Hello All:
>
> There is a road in my area that is closed to traffic for the spring.
> Perfect for riding except that it is also popular among people who walk
> their dogs. Most of the people let their dogs off the leash and it can
> be pretty dangerous. Many of the dogs seem to want to run right into my
> front wheel. Of course the owners are dozens of yards away and do
> nothing about. Brings to mind a joke: Question: How does a dog owner
> greet a cyclist? Ans: Oh, sorry!
>
> So, I am imagining that there must a horn I can buy that would send
> these dogs running for cover. Something with a CO2 cartridge for power.
> Mounted on my bars it could clear a safe path through the dogs.
>
> Can anyone point me a source for such a horn and handlebar mount?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim

Air Zound

Trust me.

[Hell And High Water]

In article >, says...
> Hello All:
>
> There is a road in my area that is closed to traffic for the spring.
> Perfect for riding except that it is also popular among people who walk
> their dogs. Most of the people let their dogs off the leash and it can
> be pretty dangerous. Many of the dogs seem to want to run right into my
> front wheel. Of course the owners are dozens of yards away and do
> nothing about. Brings to mind a joke: Question: How does a dog owner
> greet a cyclist? Ans: Oh, sorry!
>
> So, I am imagining that there must a horn I can buy that would send
> these dogs running for cover. Something with a CO2 cartridge for power.
> Mounted on my bars it could clear a safe path through the dogs.
>
> Can anyone point me a source for such a horn and handlebar mount?


How 'bout a sawed off shotgun?


Just a suggestion...


>
> Thanks,


yer welcome!


-Bob

[Chalo]

Jim Martin wrote:
>
> There is a road in my area that is closed to traffic for the spring.
> Perfect for riding except that it is also popular among people who walk
> their dogs. Most of the people let their dogs off the leash and it can
> be pretty dangerous. Many of the dogs seem to want to run right into my
> front wheel. Of course the owners are dozens of yards away and do
> nothing about. Brings to mind a joke: Question: How does a dog owner
> greet a cyclist? Ans: Oh, sorry!
>
> So, I am imagining that there must a horn I can buy that would send
> these dogs running for cover. Something with a CO2 cartridge for power.
> Mounted on my bars it could clear a safe path through the dogs.
>
> Can anyone point me a source for such a horn and handlebar mount?

The Delta Air Zound is a very loud horn-- louder than a car horn and
similar to the air horns used on boats and at sporting events. It
uses a plastic soda-type bottle that you inflate with a tire pump.

http://www.deltacycle.com/product.php?g=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQjH4tNUZ_g

The handlebar mount is convenient, but there is a handheld version
too.

Chalo

[datakoll]

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7GGLJ&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=dog+repellents&spell=1

moist dog brain-sensory nuerons are smell/nose related not ear related

[[email protected]]

On Apr 7, 10:42*am, datakoll > wrote:
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox&r....
>
> moist dog brain-sensory nuerons are smell/nose related not ear related

"touch" would have to be up there, as well.

This also figures into "training", as in "teaching dogs to keep their
distance from cyclists". --D-y

[SMS]

Jim Martin wrote:

> So, I am imagining that there must a horn I can buy that would send
> these dogs running for cover. Something with a CO2 cartridge for power.
> Mounted on my bars it could clear a safe path through the dogs.
>
> Can anyone point me a source for such a horn and handlebar mount?

Many years ago I used one of these
"http://www.bargainoutfitters.com/cb/cb.asp?a=272977" and it worked very
well against errant drivers. I never tried it against dogs.

I mounted it the handlebar with some hose clamps if I recall correctly.
A nicer mount would be to buy the NiteIze C size flashlight clamp

Actually someone once told me that a loud police whistle serves the same
purpose. It sends most dogs running, though I also heard that pit bulls
aren't affected by it.

The Airzound uses compressed air and fits in a water bottle cage.

[[email protected]]

On Apr 7, 11:46*am, " > wrote:
> On Apr 7, 10:42*am, datakoll > wrote:
>
> >http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox&r....
>
> > moist dog brain-sensory nuerons are smell/nose related not ear related
>
> "touch" would have to be up there, as well.
>
> This also figures into "training", as in "teaching dogs to keep their
> distance from cyclists". *--D-y

perhaps a silent dog whistle might work better; you could ride with it
in "dog areas" in your mouth and give a quick blow when you see a dog
that might run into your way; a quick burst might be enough to get the
dogs attention, to stop and look.

[Leo Lichtman]

You need to be aware that very loud noise can cause you ear damage. I wear
$6000 worth of hearing aids because I ignored this when I was younger.

[SMS]

Jim Martin wrote:

> Can anyone point me a source for such a horn and handlebar mount?

You can use an AirZound, which stores the air in a bottle that is in the
water bottle cage.

Probably a less cumbersome, but equally loud, solution is a mini marine
signal horn, see "http://www.wholesalemarine.com/p/FAL-SH3/".

See "http://www.nordicgroup.us/s78/flashlights.html" for some ideas on
handlebar mounting. You could use two NiteIze C size flashlight clamps
combined with a handlebar mount water bottle cage boss clamp (drill a
hole in the center of each clamp), or you could use two appropriately
sized conduit clamps.

A long time ago I read that a loud police whistle worked to scare away
dogs, and I tried it and it worked well. However I also read that it
doesn't work on pit bulls!

[[email protected]]

On Apr 7, 11:16*am, wrote:
> On Apr 7, 11:46*am, " > wrote:
>
> > On Apr 7, 10:42*am, datakoll > wrote:
>
> > >http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox&r...
>
> > > moist dog brain-sensory nuerons are smell/nose related not ear related
>
> > "touch" would have to be up there, as well.
>
> > This also figures into "training", as in "teaching dogs to keep their
> > distance from cyclists". *--D-y
>
> perhaps a silent dog whistle might work better; you could ride with it
> in "dog areas" in your mouth and give a quick blow when you see a dog
> that might run into your way; a quick burst might be enough to get the
> dogs attention, to stop and look.

I've never seen a dog, as far as I can recall, that wasn't
_intentionally_ "running into my way". Yesterday, a pop on the nose
with my front wheel (me off bike) was enough to deter a pit bull
puppy. There were two of them. A little young yet for the circling,
two-pronged attack, but I didn't know that for sure and thats' one
reason I dismounted. --D-y

[Michael Press]

In article >,
Jim Martin > wrote:

> Hello All:
>
> There is a road in my area that is closed to traffic for the spring.
> Perfect for riding except that it is also popular among people who walk
> their dogs. Most of the people let their dogs off the leash and it can
> be pretty dangerous. Many of the dogs seem to want to run right into my
> front wheel. Of course the owners are dozens of yards away and do
> nothing about. Brings to mind a joke: Question: How does a dog owner
> greet a cyclist? Ans: Oh, sorry!
>
> So, I am imagining that there must a horn I can buy that would send
> these dogs running for cover. Something with a CO2 cartridge for power.
> Mounted on my bars it could clear a safe path through the dogs.
>
> Can anyone point me a source for such a horn and handlebar mount?

<http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=341338>

You will have to fashion or otherwise locate a mount.
How about this?

<http://www.jensonusa.com/store/product/LS701Z00-Niterider+Universal+Handlebar+Mount.aspx>

--
Michael Press

[SMS]

Michael Press wrote:
> In article >,
> Jim Martin > wrote:
>
>> Hello All:
>>
>> There is a road in my area that is closed to traffic for the spring.
>> Perfect for riding except that it is also popular among people who walk
>> their dogs. Most of the people let their dogs off the leash and it can
>> be pretty dangerous. Many of the dogs seem to want to run right into my
>> front wheel. Of course the owners are dozens of yards away and do
>> nothing about. Brings to mind a joke: Question: How does a dog owner
>> greet a cyclist? Ans: Oh, sorry!
>>
>> So, I am imagining that there must a horn I can buy that would send
>> these dogs running for cover. Something with a CO2 cartridge for power.
>> Mounted on my bars it could clear a safe path through the dogs.
>>
>> Can anyone point me a source for such a horn and handlebar mount?
>
> <http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=341338>
>
> You will have to fashion or otherwise locate a mount.
> How about this?
>
> <http://www.jensonusa.com/store/product/LS701Z00-Niterider+Universal+Handlebar+Mount.aspx>

The Cycloblock will hold a C size flashlight, so it might be okay for
the mini air horn, but not the large one.

"http://batteryjunction.com/twofish-cycloblocks.html".

[Tom Sherman[_2_]]

wrote:
> On Apr 7, 11:16 am, wrote:
>> On Apr 7, 11:46 am, " > wrote:
>>
>>> On Apr 7, 10:42 am, datakoll > wrote:
>>>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox&r...
>>>> moist dog brain-sensory nuerons are smell/nose related not ear related
>>> "touch" would have to be up there, as well.
>>> This also figures into "training", as in "teaching dogs to keep their
>>> distance from cyclists". --D-y
>> perhaps a silent dog whistle might work better; you could ride with it
>> in "dog areas" in your mouth and give a quick blow when you see a dog
>> that might run into your way; a quick burst might be enough to get the
>> dogs attention, to stop and look.
>
> I've never seen a dog, as far as I can recall, that wasn't
> _intentionally_ "running into my way". Yesterday, a pop on the nose
> with my front wheel (me off bike) was enough to deter a pit bull
> puppy. There were two of them. A little young yet for the circling,
> two-pronged attack, but I didn't know that for sure and thats' one
> reason I dismounted. --D-y

When an adult dog starts to circle behind you while growling, assume it
WILL bite if given the chance. Pepper spray is good, pepper spray and a
steel baton are better, and both the former and a gun are the best.

I do not feel sorry for the dog owner for what may happen. Dogs that
aggressive should NEVER be lets off the leash in public spaces.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

[Ben Kaufman]

On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 14:55:15 GMT, _ >
wrote:

>On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 08:02:27 -0600, Jim Martin wrote:
>
>> Hello All:
>>
>> There is a road in my area that is closed to traffic for the spring.
>> Perfect for riding except that it is also popular among people who walk
>> their dogs. Most of the people let their dogs off the leash and it can
>> be pretty dangerous. Many of the dogs seem to want to run right into my
>> front wheel. Of course the owners are dozens of yards away and do
>> nothing about. Brings to mind a joke: Question: How does a dog owner
>> greet a cyclist? Ans: Oh, sorry!
>>
>> So, I am imagining that there must a horn I can buy that would send
>> these dogs running for cover. Something with a CO2 cartridge for power.
>> Mounted on my bars it could clear a safe path through the dogs.
>>
>> Can anyone point me a source for such a horn and handlebar mount?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jim
>
>Air Zound
>
>Trust me.


I may get one for the cagers!

Ben

[Ben Kaufman]

On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 08:02:27 -0600, Jim Martin > wrote:

>Hello All:
>
>There is a road in my area that is closed to traffic for the spring.
>Perfect for riding except that it is also popular among people who walk
>their dogs. Most of the people let their dogs off the leash and it can
>be pretty dangerous. Many of the dogs seem to want to run right into my
>front wheel. Of course the owners are dozens of yards away and do
>nothing about. Brings to mind a joke: Question: How does a dog owner
>greet a cyclist? Ans: Oh, sorry!
>
>So, I am imagining that there must a horn I can buy that would send
>these dogs running for cover. Something with a CO2 cartridge for power.
> Mounted on my bars it could clear a safe path through the dogs.
>
>Can anyone point me a source for such a horn and handlebar mount?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jim

Unfortunately, what may cause one dog to run for cover might provoke an attack
by another. And of course, it is the thoughtless and sometimes down right
inconsiderate owners' fault, not the dogs. You might want to try complaining to
the appropriate authorities about this, pointing out the danger, especially to
"the children" (think of the children).


Ben

[Ben Kaufman]

On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 21:07:38 -0500, Tom Sherman
> wrote:

wrote:
>> On Apr 7, 11:16 am, wrote:
>>> On Apr 7, 11:46 am, " > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Apr 7, 10:42 am, datakoll > wrote:
>>>>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox&r...
>>>>> moist dog brain-sensory nuerons are smell/nose related not ear related
>>>> "touch" would have to be up there, as well.
>>>> This also figures into "training", as in "teaching dogs to keep their
>>>> distance from cyclists". --D-y
>>> perhaps a silent dog whistle might work better; you could ride with it
>>> in "dog areas" in your mouth and give a quick blow when you see a dog
>>> that might run into your way; a quick burst might be enough to get the
>>> dogs attention, to stop and look.
>>
>> I've never seen a dog, as far as I can recall, that wasn't
>> _intentionally_ "running into my way". Yesterday, a pop on the nose
>> with my front wheel (me off bike) was enough to deter a pit bull
>> puppy. There were two of them. A little young yet for the circling,
>> two-pronged attack, but I didn't know that for sure and thats' one
>> reason I dismounted. --D-y
>
>When an adult dog starts to circle behind you while growling, assume it
>WILL bite if given the chance. Pepper spray is good, pepper spray and a
>steel baton are better, and both the former and a gun are the best.
>
>I do not feel sorry for the dog owner for what may happen. Dogs that
>aggressive should NEVER be lets off the leash in public spaces.

When I was doing some online research about some behavioral problems my dog has
I read one posting from a woman who was trying to find a way to prevent her dog
from biting people. Apparently, this moron's dog had already nipped four people
when off leash in various parks. She was just lucky that no one had ever called
the authorities on her.

Ben

[Pat[_9_]]

> Unfortunately, what may cause one dog to run for cover might provoke an
> attack
> by another. And of course, it is the thoughtless and sometimes down
> right
> inconsiderate owners' fault, not the dogs. You might want to try
> complaining to
> the appropriate authorities about this, pointing out the danger,
> especially to
> "the children" (think of the children).
>
>
> Ben

I totally reject the argument that it's not the dog's fault. That dog is
making a decision to attack and to bite. It's his brain and his teeth, after
all. Sure, the owner is an idiot, but when I see this sort of argument, the
next line is always "don't hurt the poor doggie!" or "don't make the poor
puppy suffer from the actions of a thoughtless owner."

No. It's the dog who bites and that's the one from whom I need protection.

Pat in TX

[RicodJour]

On Apr 8, 10:51 am, "Pat" > wrote:
>
> I totally reject the argument that it's not the dog's fault. That dog is
> making a decision to attack and to bite. It's his brain and his teeth, after
> all. Sure, the owner is an idiot, but when I see this sort of argument, the
> next line is always "don't hurt the poor doggie!" or "don't make the poor
> puppy suffer from the actions of a thoughtless owner."
>
> No. It's the dog who bites and that's the one from whom I need protection.

Agreed, but that doesn't mean you can't punish the owner. I've been
in dog parks where there's always some idiot who refuses to control
his overly aggressive dog. I like to stand next to the 'relaxed'
owner and say that I'd like to just punch in someone's teeth that
can't control their dog. I've never punched a person in my life,
except my brother when we were kids, but they don't know that, and I
do my best to look like a crazy. ;)

R

[Diablo Scott]

still just me wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Apr 2008 08:42:31 -0700 (PDT), datakoll >
> wrote:
>
>> moist dog brain-sensory nuerons are smell/nose related not ear related
>
> So try skipping the shower.

My dog freaks out at the sound of the vacuum cleaner... she'd probably
jump out of her skin if someone blew one of those air horns at her... of
course she's never off leash, only chases squirrels and cats; bike
riders and joggers are only of interest if they stop to pet her.

[Tom Sherman[_2_]]

Ben Kaufman wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 21:07:38 -0500, Tom Sherman
> > wrote:
>
>> wrote:
>>> On Apr 7, 11:16 am, wrote:
>>>> On Apr 7, 11:46 am, " > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 7, 10:42 am, datakoll > wrote:
>>>>>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox&r...
>>>>>> moist dog brain-sensory nuerons are smell/nose related not ear related
>>>>> "touch" would have to be up there, as well.
>>>>> This also figures into "training", as in "teaching dogs to keep their
>>>>> distance from cyclists". --D-y
>>>> perhaps a silent dog whistle might work better; you could ride with it
>>>> in "dog areas" in your mouth and give a quick blow when you see a dog
>>>> that might run into your way; a quick burst might be enough to get the
>>>> dogs attention, to stop and look.
>>> I've never seen a dog, as far as I can recall, that wasn't
>>> _intentionally_ "running into my way". Yesterday, a pop on the nose
>>> with my front wheel (me off bike) was enough to deter a pit bull
>>> puppy. There were two of them. A little young yet for the circling,
>>> two-pronged attack, but I didn't know that for sure and thats' one
>>> reason I dismounted. --D-y
>> When an adult dog starts to circle behind you while growling, assume it
>> WILL bite if given the chance. Pepper spray is good, pepper spray and a
>> steel baton are better, and both the former and a gun are the best.
>>
>> I do not feel sorry for the dog owner for what may happen. Dogs that
>> aggressive should NEVER be lets off the leash in public spaces.
>
> When I was doing some online research about some behavioral problems my dog has
> I read one posting from a woman who was trying to find a way to prevent her dog
> from biting people. Apparently, this moron's dog had already nipped four people
> when off leash in various parks. She was just lucky that no one had ever called
> the authorities on her.
>
Or filed a civil lawsuit.

That is why I suggest a hardwood walking stick/staff. If a dog attacks,
you have a good weapon for self defense.

The worst is more than one dog, since if one is aggressive, the others
follow suit - wolf behavior still lurks below the surface.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

[Ben Kaufman]

On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 09:51:42 -0500, "Pat" > wrote:

>
>> Unfortunately, what may cause one dog to run for cover might provoke an
>> attack
>> by another. And of course, it is the thoughtless and sometimes down
>> right
>> inconsiderate owners' fault, not the dogs. You might want to try
>> complaining to
>> the appropriate authorities about this, pointing out the danger,
>> especially to
>> "the children" (think of the children).
>>
>>
>> Ben
>
>I totally reject the argument that it's not the dog's fault. That dog is
>making a decision to attack and to bite. It's his brain and his teeth, after
>all. Sure, the owner is an idiot, but when I see this sort of argument, the
>next line is always "don't hurt the poor doggie!" or "don't make the poor
>puppy suffer from the actions of a thoughtless owner."
>
>No. It's the dog who bites and that's the one from whom I need protection.
>
>Pat in TX
>

Chasing moving objects and biting are well known qualities of dog behavior. Dog
bites man is not news. When its instincts are stimulated a dog is driven by
ancestral behaviors not anything close to thoughtful decision making process.
When an owner lets his dog off leash he is greatly increasing the chances of an
undesirable outcome, much like leaving 6 year olds to play unsupervised in a
kitchen.

Ben

[velodancer]

On Apr 8, 7:51*am, "Pat" > wrote:
> > Unfortunately, what may cause one dog to run for cover might provoke an
> > attack
> > by another. * *And of course, it is the thoughtless and sometimes down
> > right
> > inconsiderate owners' fault, not the dogs. *You might want to try
> > complaining to
> > the appropriate authorities about this, pointing out the danger,
> > especially to
> > "the children" (think of the children).
>
> > Ben
>
> I totally reject the argument that it's not the dog's fault. That dog is
> making a decision to attack and to bite. It's his brain and his teeth, after
> all. Sure, the owner is an idiot, but when I see this sort of argument, the
> next line is always *"don't hurt the poor doggie!" or "don't make the poor
> puppy suffer from the actions of a thoughtless owner."
>
> No. It's the dog who bites and that's the one from whom I need protection.
>
> Pat in TX

Dogs don't kill people, people do?