'Inhumane' motorists drove OVER and around hit-and-run victim as helay dying in the street

[Doug[_3_]]

Doesn't this say it all about the mentality of the average car addict?

"Motorists who left a cyclist to die in the road after he was knocked
over by a stolen car were described as inhuman yesterday.

Instead of stopping, they simply swerved around him, and detectives
believe that one may even have driven over the badly injured Stephen
Wills, breaking both his legs.

By the time a passer-by finally raised the alarm, Mr Wills, 55, who
had been riding home from a dinner, was already dead.

The self-employed plasterer was cycling down a dual carriageway in
Manchester at about 3.30am last Saturday when he was knocked over by a
stolen VW Golf. The car was later found burnt-out nearby.

Witnesses said that instead of stopping to help Mr Wills as crucial
minutes ticked by, other motorists steered around his body, and police
believe one actually drove over him.

"It's a pretty sad state set of affairs when people refuse to stop to
help a fellow human who is clearly in dire need of help," said a
police source.

"Behaviour like this seems simply inhuman, and it's hard to believe
that drivers refused to stop and help. What's worse is that one driver
may have even driven over Stephen's legs before heading off.

"We can only assume in some cases it was more important to those
drivers that they got home instead of stopping to help a dying man."

When paramedics arrived it was too late and Mr Wills was pronounced
dead at the scene, apparently as a result of head injuries sustained
in the initial collision.

He lived by himself in the Moss Side area of Manchester.

He is thought to have had no children of his own, but was regarded as
a "father figure" by the two sons of a divorcee with whom he had been
in a relationship..."

More:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=559991&in_page_id=1770


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[cupra]

Doug wrote:
> Doesn't this say it all about the mentality of the average car addict?
>
> "Motorists who left a cyclist to die in the road after he was knocked
> over by a stolen car were described as inhuman yesterday.
>
> Instead of stopping, they simply swerved around him, and detectives
> believe that one may even have driven over the badly injured Stephen
> Wills, breaking both his legs.

Terrible

>
> By the time a passer-by finally raised the alarm, Mr Wills, 55, who
> had been riding home from a dinner, was already dead.
>
> The self-employed plasterer was cycling down a dual carriageway in
> Manchester at about 3.30am last Saturday when he was knocked over by a
> stolen VW Golf. The car was later found burnt-out nearby.
>
> Witnesses said that instead of stopping to help Mr Wills as crucial
> minutes ticked by, other motorists steered around his body, and police
> believe one actually drove over him.

So what were the witnesses doing in these crucial minutes, and who were
they?

[Adrian]

cupra (" cupra" >) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying:

>> Doesn't this say it all about the mentality of the average car addict?

No, not really.

> Terrible

Indeed.

>> Witnesses said that instead of stopping to help Mr Wills as crucial
>> minutes ticked by, other motorists steered around his body, and police
>> believe one actually drove over him.

> So what were the witnesses doing in these crucial minutes, and who were
> they?

I would surmise that they'd already called 999, and were waiting for the
emergency services to arrive. So - unless any of these vehicles which
swerved round him were driven by doctors or paramedics - there would have
been nothing that they could do. Other than stop and clog the road,
causing the arrival of the ambulance to be delayed.

Of course, quite why they apparently weren't in the road comforting/
helping him themselves - and making him more visible to approaching
traffic - is another question.

Obviously, the injuries to his legs wouldn't have helped his condition
one little bit, but I can't imagine they'd hasten his death much, if he
was already dead by the time the paramedics arrived.

<light google>
Ah, yes. Died of severe head injuries.

[Brian Whitehead]

On 17 Apr, 07:41, Doug > wrote:
> Doesn't this say it all about the mentality of Doug Bollen, who uses a tragic event to further his spiteful
> envy-driven crusade?

Yes, it does, Doug.

[furnessvale]

On Apr 17, 9:28�am, Brian Whitehead >
wrote:
> On 17 Apr, 07:41, Doug > wrote:
>
> > Doesn't this say it all about the mentality of Doug Bollen, who uses a tragic event to further his spiteful
> > envy-driven crusade?
>
> Yes, it does, Doug.

In that area of Manchester at that time of night it is quite possible
that the whole thing could have been a set up to lure an unsuspecting
motorist into a mugging. I certainly have my doors locked and if I am
held by traffic lights I am looking for suspicious pedestrians with a
view to running the red light to escape if needed.

George

[Mortimer]

" cupra" > wrote in message
...
> Doug wrote:
>> Doesn't this say it all about the mentality of the average car addict?
>>
>> "Motorists who left a cyclist to die in the road after he was knocked
>> over by a stolen car were described as inhuman yesterday.
>>
>> Instead of stopping, they simply swerved around him, and detectives
>> believe that one may even have driven over the badly injured Stephen
>> Wills, breaking both his legs.
>
> Terrible
>
>>
>> By the time a passer-by finally raised the alarm, Mr Wills, 55, who
>> had been riding home from a dinner, was already dead.
>>
>> The self-employed plasterer was cycling down a dual carriageway in
>> Manchester at about 3.30am last Saturday when he was knocked over by a
>> stolen VW Golf. The car was later found burnt-out nearby.
>>
>> Witnesses said that instead of stopping to help Mr Wills as crucial
>> minutes ticked by, other motorists steered around his body, and police
>> believe one actually drove over him.
>
> So what were the witnesses doing in these crucial minutes, and who were
> they?

In case anyone thinks that this is apparent lack off concern is a modern
phenomenon, I remember reading an article in the magazine Drive in the 1970s
in which they staged an "accident" with an actor lying beside the road as if
he had been knocked down, to see how many people would stop to help. They
were horrified at how few people did, though some slowed down for a closer
look. Of course in those days without mobile phones, it was necessary to
drive off in search of a phone box if you wanted to call an ambulance - and
that is what some of the supposedly uncaring drivers may have done. Nowadays
you can call for help without even leaving your car.

[Dogpoop]

Doug typed:
> Doesn't this say it all about the mentality of the average car addict?

Nope.

> "Motorists who left a cyclist to die in the road after he was knocked
> over by a stolen car were described as inhuman yesterday.

In many cases I'd agree. In the context of the area, the time and the fact
that there were already, apparently, witnesses attending, then I think the
motorists did the best thing and carried on, rather than causing further
congestion and potentially delaying the ambulance/paramedics.

> Instead of stopping, they simply swerved around him, and detectives
> believe that one may even have driven over the badly injured Stephen
> Wills, breaking both his legs.

It has to be said that driving over his legs doesn't sound too good.
However, at that time in a morning could anyone actually tell it was a body
in the road or could it have looked like just some more litter? Where were
the witnesses who should have been warning traffic or at least helping the
voctim?

> By the time a passer-by finally raised the alarm, Mr Wills, 55, who
> had been riding home from a dinner, was already dead.

So who and where were the witnesses who saw traffic driving round and over
him?

> Witnesses said that instead of stopping to help Mr Wills as crucial
> minutes ticked by, other motorists steered around his body, and police
> believe one actually drove over him.

.... and yet the witnesses apparently delayed raising the alarm until he was
dead! Seems like a bit of journalistic licence to me. Why weren't the
witnesses doing what they say others should have done? Are they as
hypocritical as you, Doug?

I think the article says more about the fevered imagination of journalists
after a story than it does about the human condition.

And about the OP who constantly uses death to further his own agenda.

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[®i©ardo]

Mortimer wrote:
> " cupra" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Doug wrote:
>>> Doesn't this say it all about the mentality of the average car addict?
>>>
>>> "Motorists who left a cyclist to die in the road after he was knocked
>>> over by a stolen car were described as inhuman yesterday.
>>>
>>> Instead of stopping, they simply swerved around him, and detectives
>>> believe that one may even have driven over the badly injured Stephen
>>> Wills, breaking both his legs.
>> Terrible
>>
>>> By the time a passer-by finally raised the alarm, Mr Wills, 55, who
>>> had been riding home from a dinner, was already dead.
>>>
>>> The self-employed plasterer was cycling down a dual carriageway in
>>> Manchester at about 3.30am last Saturday when he was knocked over by a
>>> stolen VW Golf. The car was later found burnt-out nearby.
>>>
>>> Witnesses said that instead of stopping to help Mr Wills as crucial
>>> minutes ticked by, other motorists steered around his body, and police
>>> believe one actually drove over him.
>> So what were the witnesses doing in these crucial minutes, and who were
>> they?
>
> In case anyone thinks that this is apparent lack off concern is a modern
> phenomenon, I remember reading an article in the magazine Drive in the 1970s
> in which they staged an "accident" with an actor lying beside the road as if
> he had been knocked down, to see how many people would stop to help. They
> were horrified at how few people did, though some slowed down for a closer
> look. Of course in those days without mobile phones, it was necessary to
> drive off in search of a phone box if you wanted to call an ambulance - and
> that is what some of the supposedly uncaring drivers may have done. Nowadays
> you can call for help without even leaving your car.
>
>

The trouble is that you could be fined for doing so!

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[Gizmo.[_4_]]

"Doug" > wrote in message
...
> Doesn't this say it all about the mentality of the average car addict?


"average" ?
I guess that says a lot about your standards Doug.
But then, you're the one who takes great joy out of the suffering of others.

[Tony Dragon]

Doug wrote:
> Doesn't this say it all about the mentality of the average car addict?

No it does not.
>
> "Motorists who left a cyclist to die in the road after he was knocked
> over by a stolen car were described as inhuman yesterday.

Not the word I would use.
>
> Instead of stopping, they simply swerved around him, and detectives
> believe that one may even have driven over the badly injured Stephen
> Wills, breaking both his legs.

Disgusting & possible illegal behavior,if the facts are as reported no
person I know would condone it.
>
> By the time a passer-by finally raised the alarm, Mr Wills, 55, who
> had been riding home from a dinner, was already dead.

Why did it take so long to raise the alarm?
>
> The self-employed plasterer was cycling down a dual carriageway in
> Manchester at about 3.30am last Saturday when he was knocked over by a
> stolen VW Golf. The car was later found burnt-out nearby.
>
So this was not an average car addict that knocked him down, but a thief.

> Witnesses said that instead of stopping to help Mr Wills as crucial
> minutes ticked by, other motorists steered around his body, and police
> believe one actually drove over him.

See above

>
> "It's a pretty sad state set of affairs when people refuse to stop to
> help a fellow human who is clearly in dire need of help," said a
> police source.

I agree
>
> "Behaviour like this seems simply inhuman, and it's hard to believe
> that drivers refused to stop and help. What's worse is that one driver
> may have even driven over Stephen's legs before heading off.

Note 'may have'
>
> "We can only assume in some cases it was more important to those
> drivers that they got home instead of stopping to help a dying man."
>
> When paramedics arrived it was too late and Mr Wills was pronounced
> dead at the scene, apparently as a result of head injuries sustained
> in the initial collision.
>
> He lived by himself in the Moss Side area of Manchester.
>
> He is thought to have had no children of his own, but was regarded as
> a "father figure" by the two sons of a divorcee with whom he had been
> in a relationship..."
>
> More:
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=559991&in_page_id=1770
>
>
> --
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> http://www.worldcarfree.net/
> Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.
>


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[Steve Firth]

Doug > wrote:

> Doesn't this say it all about the mentality of the average car addict?

No, it says a lot about the mentality of criminal scum.

What was described was despicable and disgusting. Those concerned cannot
be described as "average" except it seems by one embittered old loser.

[Doug[_3_]]

On 17 Apr, 09:13, " cupra" > wrote:
> Doug wrote:
> > Doesn't this say it all about the mentality of the average car addict?
>
> > "Motorists who left a cyclist to die in the road after he was knocked
> > over by a stolen car were described as inhuman yesterday.
>
> > Instead of stopping, they simply swerved around him, and detectives
> > believe that one may even have driven over the badly injured Stephen
> > Wills, breaking both his legs.
>
> Terrible
>
>
>
> > By the time a passer-by finally raised the alarm, Mr Wills, 55, who
> > had been riding home from a dinner, was already dead.
>
> > The self-employed plasterer was cycling down a dual carriageway in
> > Manchester at about 3.30am last Saturday when he was knocked over by a
> > stolen VW Golf. The car was later found burnt-out nearby.
>
> > Witnesses said that instead of stopping to help Mr Wills as crucial
> > minutes ticked by, other motorists steered around his body, and police
> > believe one actually drove over him.
>
> So what were the witnesses doing in these crucial minutes, and who were
> they?

Shouldn't you be more concerned about the motorists who just drove on
regardless?

There seems to be a typical mindset among motorists that nothing
should get in their way and they should get to where they are going as
quickly as possible regardless.

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[_[_2_]]

On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:39:01 +0100, ®i©ardo wrote:

> Mortimer wrote:
>> " cupra" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Doug wrote:
>>>> Doesn't this say it all about the mentality of the average car addict?
>>>>
>>>> "Motorists who left a cyclist to die in the road after he was knocked
>>>> over by a stolen car were described as inhuman yesterday.
>>>>
>>>> Instead of stopping, they simply swerved around him, and detectives
>>>> believe that one may even have driven over the badly injured Stephen
>>>> Wills, breaking both his legs.
>>> Terrible
>>>
>>>> By the time a passer-by finally raised the alarm, Mr Wills, 55, who
>>>> had been riding home from a dinner, was already dead.
>>>>
>>>> The self-employed plasterer was cycling down a dual carriageway in
>>>> Manchester at about 3.30am last Saturday when he was knocked over by a
>>>> stolen VW Golf. The car was later found burnt-out nearby.
>>>>
>>>> Witnesses said that instead of stopping to help Mr Wills as crucial
>>>> minutes ticked by, other motorists steered around his body, and police
>>>> believe one actually drove over him.
>>> So what were the witnesses doing in these crucial minutes, and who were
>>> they?
>>
>> In case anyone thinks that this is apparent lack off concern is a modern
>> phenomenon, I remember reading an article in the magazine Drive in the 1970s
>> in which they staged an "accident" with an actor lying beside the road as if
>> he had been knocked down, to see how many people would stop to help. They
>> were horrified at how few people did, though some slowed down for a closer
>> look. Of course in those days without mobile phones, it was necessary to
>> drive off in search of a phone box if you wanted to call an ambulance - and
>> that is what some of the supposedly uncaring drivers may have done. Nowadays
>> you can call for help without even leaving your car.
>>
>>
>
> The trouble is that you could be fined for doing so!

Could be, yes - but one could, of course, stop driving.

Not that, on the evidence, many motorists would consent to do...

[cupra]

Doug wrote:
> On 17 Apr, 09:13, " cupra" > wrote:
>> Doug wrote:
>>> Doesn't this say it all about the mentality of the average car
>>> addict?
>>
>>> "Motorists who left a cyclist to die in the road after he was
>>> knocked over by a stolen car were described as inhuman yesterday.
>>
>>> Instead of stopping, they simply swerved around him, and detectives
>>> believe that one may even have driven over the badly injured Stephen
>>> Wills, breaking both his legs.
>>
>> Terrible
>>
>>
>>
>>> By the time a passer-by finally raised the alarm, Mr Wills, 55, who
>>> had been riding home from a dinner, was already dead.
>>
>>> The self-employed plasterer was cycling down a dual carriageway in
>>> Manchester at about 3.30am last Saturday when he was knocked over
>>> by a stolen VW Golf. The car was later found burnt-out nearby.
>>
>>> Witnesses said that instead of stopping to help Mr Wills as crucial
>>> minutes ticked by, other motorists steered around his body, and
>>> police believe one actually drove over him.
>>
>> So what were the witnesses doing in these crucial minutes, and who
>> were they?
>
> Shouldn't you be more concerned about the motorists who just drove on
> regardless?

See 'Terrible' above, and Adrians comments

>
> There seems to be a typical mindset among motorists that nothing
> should get in their way and they should get to where they are going as
> quickly as possible regardless.

Not in this motorist/cyclist/PT User/ped'n

[®i©ardo]

Doug wrote:
> On 17 Apr, 09:13, " cupra" > wrote:
>> Doug wrote:
>>> Doesn't this say it all about the mentality of the average car addict?
>>> "Motorists who left a cyclist to die in the road after he was knocked
>>> over by a stolen car were described as inhuman yesterday.
>>> Instead of stopping, they simply swerved around him, and detectives
>>> believe that one may even have driven over the badly injured Stephen
>>> Wills, breaking both his legs.
>> Terrible
>>
>>
>>
>>> By the time a passer-by finally raised the alarm, Mr Wills, 55, who
>>> had been riding home from a dinner, was already dead.
>>> The self-employed plasterer was cycling down a dual carriageway in
>>> Manchester at about 3.30am last Saturday when he was knocked over by a
>>> stolen VW Golf. The car was later found burnt-out nearby.
>>> Witnesses said that instead of stopping to help Mr Wills as crucial
>>> minutes ticked by, other motorists steered around his body, and police
>>> believe one actually drove over him.
>> So what were the witnesses doing in these crucial minutes, and who were
>> they?
>
> Shouldn't you be more concerned about the motorists who just drove on
> regardless?
>
> There seems to be a typical mindset among motorists that nothing
> should get in their way and they should get to where they are going as
> quickly as possible regardless.
>
> --
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> http://www.worldcarfree.net/
> Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.

Was it just motorists who passed on by? There were probably a few
cyclists, as well, but that wouldn't be *news* would it?

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[Ian Smith]

["Followup-To:" header set to uk.rec.cycling.]
On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:56:54 +0100, ®i©ardo > wrote:
>
> Was it just motorists who passed on by? There were probably a few
> cyclists, as well, but that wouldn't be *news* would it?

On what basis do you say there were "probably a few cyclists"?

I have found most dual carriageways at 3 am to be completely devoid of
cyclists. I'm interested to find out why your experience evidently
differs so greatly. What Dual carriageway has significant numbers of
3am cyclists?

regards, Ian SMith
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[nully]

Doug wrote:

> On 17 Apr, 09:13, " cupra" > wrote:
> > Doug wrote:
> > > Doesn't this say it all about the mentality of the average car
> > > addict?
> >
> > > "Motorists who left a cyclist to die in the road after he was
> > > knocked over by a stolen car were described as inhuman yesterday.
> >
> > > Instead of stopping, they simply swerved around him, and
> > > detectives believe that one may even have driven over the badly
> > > injured Stephen Wills, breaking both his legs.
> >
> > Terrible
> >
> >
> >
> > > By the time a passer-by finally raised the alarm, Mr Wills, 55,
> > > who had been riding home from a dinner, was already dead.
> >
> > > The self-employed plasterer was cycling down a dual carriageway in
> > > Manchester at about 3.30am last Saturday when he was knocked over
> > > by a stolen VW Golf. The car was later found burnt-out nearby.
> >
> > > Witnesses said that instead of stopping to help Mr Wills as
> > > crucial minutes ticked by, other motorists steered around his
> > > body, and police believe one actually drove over him.
> >
> > So what were the witnesses doing in these crucial minutes, and who
> > were they?
>
> Shouldn't you be more concerned about the motorists who just drove on
> regardless?
>
> There seems to be a typical mindset among motorists that nothing
> should get in their way and they should get to where they are going as
> quickly as possible regardless.

For once, Duhg is right. As a motorist I confirm that I wouldn't
interrupt my journey to aid Duhg if I passed him laid by the side of
the road. Well, actually, I *might* just possibly detour a little to
run over the old bastids head.

--

[JNugent[_4_]]

nully wrote:
> Doug wrote:
>
>> On 17 Apr, 09:13, " cupra" > wrote:
>>> Doug wrote:
>>>> Doesn't this say it all about the mentality of the average car
>>>> addict?
>>>> "Motorists who left a cyclist to die in the road after he was
>>>> knocked over by a stolen car were described as inhuman yesterday.
>>>> Instead of stopping, they simply swerved around him, and
>>>> detectives believe that one may even have driven over the badly
>>>> injured Stephen Wills, breaking both his legs.
>>> Terrible
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> By the time a passer-by finally raised the alarm, Mr Wills, 55,
>>>> who had been riding home from a dinner, was already dead.
>>>> The self-employed plasterer was cycling down a dual carriageway in
>>>> Manchester at about 3.30am last Saturday when he was knocked over
>>>> by a stolen VW Golf. The car was later found burnt-out nearby.
>>>> Witnesses said that instead of stopping to help Mr Wills as
>>>> crucial minutes ticked by, other motorists steered around his
>>>> body, and police believe one actually drove over him.
>>> So what were the witnesses doing in these crucial minutes, and who
>>> were they?
>> Shouldn't you be more concerned about the motorists who just drove on
>> regardless?
>>
>> There seems to be a typical mindset among motorists that nothing
>> should get in their way and they should get to where they are going as
>> quickly as possible regardless.
>
> For once, Duhg is right. As a motorist I confirm that I wouldn't
> interrupt my journey to aid Duhg if I passed him laid by the side of
> the road. Well, actually, I *might* just possibly detour a little to
> run over the old bastids head.

Well, I don't know about that, but in all the circumstances, at 3am on a
Manchester main route with the visible aftermath of an accident and
(what must have been) several other vehicles stopped already, I think
I'd rapidly tend to the view that any problems were already being
addressed and that more problems may well be caused - especially for me
- if I were silly enough to stop. Not that I would be able to anything
more than use a phone to call for help in any event.

[JNugent[_4_]]

_ wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:39:01 +0100, ®i©ardo wrote:
>
>> Mortimer wrote:
>>> " cupra" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Doug wrote:
>>>>> Doesn't this say it all about the mentality of the average car addict?
>>>>>
>>>>> "Motorists who left a cyclist to die in the road after he was knocked
>>>>> over by a stolen car were described as inhuman yesterday.
>>>>>
>>>>> Instead of stopping, they simply swerved around him, and detectives
>>>>> believe that one may even have driven over the badly injured Stephen
>>>>> Wills, breaking both his legs.
>>>> Terrible
>>>>
>>>>> By the time a passer-by finally raised the alarm, Mr Wills, 55, who
>>>>> had been riding home from a dinner, was already dead.
>>>>>
>>>>> The self-employed plasterer was cycling down a dual carriageway in
>>>>> Manchester at about 3.30am last Saturday when he was knocked over by a
>>>>> stolen VW Golf. The car was later found burnt-out nearby.
>>>>>
>>>>> Witnesses said that instead of stopping to help Mr Wills as crucial
>>>>> minutes ticked by, other motorists steered around his body, and police
>>>>> believe one actually drove over him.
>>>> So what were the witnesses doing in these crucial minutes, and who were
>>>> they?
>>> In case anyone thinks that this is apparent lack off concern is a modern
>>> phenomenon, I remember reading an article in the magazine Drive in the 1970s
>>> in which they staged an "accident" with an actor lying beside the road as if
>>> he had been knocked down, to see how many people would stop to help. They
>>> were horrified at how few people did, though some slowed down for a closer
>>> look. Of course in those days without mobile phones, it was necessary to
>>> drive off in search of a phone box if you wanted to call an ambulance - and
>>> that is what some of the supposedly uncaring drivers may have done. Nowadays
>>> you can call for help without even leaving your car.
>>>
>>>
>> The trouble is that you could be fined for doing so!
>
> Could be, yes - but one could, of course, stop driving.

Not completely necessary; there's an exemption in the law for calling
emergency services.

[®i©ardo]

Ian Smith wrote:
> ["Followup-To:" header set to uk.rec.cycling.]
> On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:56:54 +0100, ®i©ardo > wrote:
>> Was it just motorists who passed on by? There were probably a few
>> cyclists, as well, but that wouldn't be *news* would it?
>
> On what basis do you say there were "probably a few cyclists"?
>
> I have found most dual carriageways at 3 am to be completely devoid of
> cyclists. I'm interested to find out why your experience evidently
> differs so greatly. What Dual carriageway has significant numbers of
> 3am cyclists?
>
> regards, Ian SMith

Well, as it seems to have been such a busy road with lots of traffic,
lots of witnesses, it seems fairly safe to assume that most modes of
transport passed by...

I frequently drive late at night/early morning and whilst we have few
dual carriageways I do see a fair number of cyclists.

--
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[Tony Dragon]

Ian Smith wrote:
> ["Followup-To:" header set to uk.rec.cycling.]
> On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:56:54 +0100, ®i©ardo > wrote:
>> Was it just motorists who passed on by? There were probably a few
>> cyclists, as well, but that wouldn't be *news* would it?
>
> On what basis do you say there were "probably a few cyclists"?
>
> I have found most dual carriageways at 3 am to be completely devoid of
> cyclists. I'm interested to find out why your experience evidently
> differs so greatly. What Dual carriageway has significant numbers of
> 3am cyclists?
>
> regards, Ian SMith

Well this one was not devoid of cyclists.

--
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[Adrian]

Ian Smith (Ian Smith >) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying:

>> Was it just motorists who passed on by? There were probably a few
>> cyclists, as well, but that wouldn't be *news* would it?

> On what basis do you say there were "probably a few cyclists"?
>
> I have found most dual carriageways at 3 am to be completely devoid of
> cyclists. I'm interested to find out why your experience evidently
> differs so greatly. What Dual carriageway has significant numbers of
> 3am cyclists?

This particular road wasn't "completely devoid" of cyclists, was it?
There was _at least_ one...

[Conor[_2_]]

In article <b10d7558-4b00-47e7-a2b5-f0ff0eb21b83
@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, Doug says...

> He lived by himself in the Moss Side area of Manchester.

Pretty much says it all. You may not know about Moss Side, Doug, but
it's one of those areas where you don't get involved because there's a
high probability of being knifed or shot.

--
Conor

I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't
looking good either. - Scott Adams

[Abo]

Doug wrote:
> Doesn't this say it all about the mentality of the average car addict?
>
> "Motorists who left a cyclist to die in the road after he was knocked
> over by a stolen car were described as inhuman yesterday.
>
> Instead of stopping, they simply swerved around him, and detectives
> believe that one may even have driven over the badly injured Stephen
> Wills, breaking both his legs.
>
> By the time a passer-by finally raised the alarm, Mr Wills, 55, who
> had been riding home from a dinner, was already dead.
>
> The self-employed plasterer was cycling down a dual carriageway in
> Manchester at about 3.30am last Saturday when he was knocked over by a
> stolen VW Golf. The car was later found burnt-out nearby.
>
> Witnesses said that instead of stopping to help Mr Wills as crucial
> minutes ticked by, other motorists steered around his body

Maybe they were worried it was a staged hijack attempt, as shown in
countless movies and TV programmes?

--
Abo

[Nuxx Bar]

On Apr 17, 7:41*am, Doug > wrote:
> Doesn't this say it all about the mentality of the average car addict?
>
> "Motorists who left a cyclist to die in the road after he was knocked
> over by a stolen car were described as inhuman yesterday.
>
> Instead of stopping, they simply swerved around him, and detectives
> believe that one may even have driven over the badly injured Stephen
> Wills, breaking both his legs.
>
> By the time a passer-by finally raised the alarm, Mr Wills, 55, who
> had been riding home from a dinner, was already dead.
>
> The self-employed plasterer was cycling down a dual carriageway in
> Manchester at about 3.30am last Saturday when he was knocked over by a
> stolen VW Golf. The car was later found burnt-out nearby.
>
> Witnesses said that instead of stopping to help Mr Wills as crucial
> minutes ticked by, other motorists steered around his body, and police
> believe one actually drove over him.
>
> "It's a pretty sad state set of affairs when people refuse to stop to
> help a fellow human who is clearly in dire need of help," said a
> police source.
>
> "Behaviour like this seems simply inhuman, and it's hard to believe
> that drivers refused to stop and help. What's worse is that one driver
> may have even driven over Stephen's legs before heading off.
>
> "We can only assume in some cases it was more important to those
> drivers that they got home instead of stopping to help a dying man."
>
> When paramedics arrived it was too late and Mr Wills was pronounced
> dead at the scene, apparently as a result of head injuries sustained
> in the initial collision.
>
> He lived by himself in the Moss Side area of Manchester.
>
> He is thought to have had no children of his own, but was regarded as
> a "father figure" by the two sons of a divorcee with whom he had been
> in a relationship..."
>
> More:
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_arti...
>
> --
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> Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.

At last, someone who admits to hating cars.

What those people did (or didn't do) was absolutely terrible, but I
would have stopped, as would any Safe Speed member that I've ever seen
post. Tarring all motorists with the same brush is just as bad as
doing so with cyclists.

[Mortimer]

"Abo" > wrote in message
...
> Doug wrote:
>> Doesn't this say it all about the mentality of the average car addict?
>>
>> "Motorists who left a cyclist to die in the road after he was knocked
>> over by a stolen car were described as inhuman yesterday.
>>
>> Instead of stopping, they simply swerved around him, and detectives
>> believe that one may even have driven over the badly injured Stephen
>> Wills, breaking both his legs.
>>
>> By the time a passer-by finally raised the alarm, Mr Wills, 55, who
>> had been riding home from a dinner, was already dead.
>>
>> The self-employed plasterer was cycling down a dual carriageway in
>> Manchester at about 3.30am last Saturday when he was knocked over by a
>> stolen VW Golf. The car was later found burnt-out nearby.
>>
>> Witnesses said that instead of stopping to help Mr Wills as crucial
>> minutes ticked by, other motorists steered around his body
>
> Maybe they were worried it was a staged hijack attempt, as shown in
> countless movies and TV programmes?

Quite so. If he was on his own and no-one else was looking after him, I'd
probably stop if it was daylight in a good area. At night or if there were
other people already with him (both of which were the case here) I might
pause and ask whether anyone needed me to phone for an ambulance or I might
drive on and phone for one when I was away from the scene.

[Steve Firth]

Doug > wrote:

>
> Shouldn't you be more concerned about the motorists who just drove on
> regardless?

Have you ever lived in Moss Side Duhg? Have you even visited Moss Side
and/or Hulme? Even as long ago as 1983 I would not stop my car there if
I saw someone lying in the gutter. The probability is that it would be a
decoy and as soon as you stop to offer aid you will be robbed at knife
or gunpoint and the thieves will take your keys and steal the car.

Even the police do not go alone on the streets and they all wear body
armour. Mostly they don't get out of the car, they don't go into some
areas at all.

Presumably you don't remember Jessie James, murdered in Moss Side while
riding his bicycle (he was shot three times with a semi-automatic
pistol).

Ernest Gifford, shot dead 4/6/2006
Tyrone Gilbert, shot in drive-by shooting August 2007, two others shot
slightly later that day.


<http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2007/08/11/sm_moss
side11.xml>

"The gunmen have adopted a new tactic: stealing or hijacking (often at
gunpoint) cars, using them in drive-by shootings and then abandoning
them, all within minutes."

http://www.citylife2000.co.uk/Moss%20Side%20district.htm

"Police will not enter some areas within the district after night-fall,
and during daylight they enter in packs."

"Mugging, rapes and murders are common in Moss-Side"

[Just zis Guy, you know?]

On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 11:26:14 -0700 (PDT), Nuxx Bar
> said in
>:

>At last, someone who admits to hating cars.

You fail it (it being primary-school level literacy). The word
"hate" was not mentioned in the post, therefore your statement is
simply false. As usual.

Guy
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[Dead Paul]

On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:20:37 +0100, Abo wrote:

> Doug wrote:
>> Doesn't this say it all about the mentality of the average car addict?
>>
>> "Motorists who left a cyclist to die in the road after he was knocked
>> over by a stolen car were described as inhuman yesterday.
>>
>> Instead of stopping, they simply swerved around him, and detectives
>> believe that one may even have driven over the badly injured Stephen
>> Wills, breaking both his legs.
>>
>> By the time a passer-by finally raised the alarm, Mr Wills, 55, who had
>> been riding home from a dinner, was already dead.
>>
>> The self-employed plasterer was cycling down a dual carriageway in
>> Manchester at about 3.30am last Saturday when he was knocked over by a
>> stolen VW Golf. The car was later found burnt-out nearby.
>>
>> Witnesses said that instead of stopping to help Mr Wills as crucial
>> minutes ticked by, other motorists steered around his body
>
> Maybe they were worried it was a staged hijack attempt, as shown in
> countless movies and TV programmes?

Yeah sure, lying in the middle of the carriageway where if he were a
hijacker he could easily have been instantly killed - the victim was run
over - I don't think so. Use your noddle, it was gone 3am, they were
probably over the limit (alcohol) returning home from a club or wherever.

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[Tony Dragon]

Dead Paul wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:20:37 +0100, Abo wrote:
>
>> Doug wrote:
>>> Doesn't this say it all about the mentality of the average car addict?
>>>
>>> "Motorists who left a cyclist to die in the road after he was knocked
>>> over by a stolen car were described as inhuman yesterday.
>>>
>>> Instead of stopping, they simply swerved around him, and detectives
>>> believe that one may even have driven over the badly injured Stephen
>>> Wills, breaking both his legs.
>>>
>>> By the time a passer-by finally raised the alarm, Mr Wills, 55, who had
>>> been riding home from a dinner, was already dead.
>>>
>>> The self-employed plasterer was cycling down a dual carriageway in
>>> Manchester at about 3.30am last Saturday when he was knocked over by a
>>> stolen VW Golf. The car was later found burnt-out nearby.
>>>
>>> Witnesses said that instead of stopping to help Mr Wills as crucial
>>> minutes ticked by, other motorists steered around his body
>> Maybe they were worried it was a staged hijack attempt, as shown in
>> countless movies and TV programmes?
>
> Yeah sure, lying in the middle of the carriageway where if he were a
> hijacker he could easily have been instantly killed - the victim was run
> over - I don't think so. Use your noddle, it was gone 3am, they were
> probably over the limit (alcohol) returning home from a club or wherever.
>

OK I'll bite.
You may or may not be right, but perhaps he was a bad hijacker who did
what you said, and by the way what do we know about the cyclist at that
time of night, was he 'over the limit (alcohol) returning home from a
club or wherever.'?

--
Tony the Dragon

[Dead Paul]

On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:09:03 +0100, Tony Dragon wrote:

> Dead Paul wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:20:37 +0100, Abo wrote:
>>
>>> Doug wrote:
>>>> Doesn't this say it all about the mentality of the average car addict?
>>>>
>>>> "Motorists who left a cyclist to die in the road after he was knocked
>>>> over by a stolen car were described as inhuman yesterday.
>>>>
>>>> Instead of stopping, they simply swerved around him, and detectives
>>>> believe that one may even have driven over the badly injured Stephen
>>>> Wills, breaking both his legs.
>>>>
>>>> By the time a passer-by finally raised the alarm, Mr Wills, 55, who
>>>> had been riding home from a dinner, was already dead.
>>>>
>>>> The self-employed plasterer was cycling down a dual carriageway in
>>>> Manchester at about 3.30am last Saturday when he was knocked over by a
>>>> stolen VW Golf. The car was later found burnt-out nearby.
>>>>
>>>> Witnesses said that instead of stopping to help Mr Wills as crucial
>>>> minutes ticked by, other motorists steered around his body
>>> Maybe they were worried it was a staged hijack attempt, as shown in
>>> countless movies and TV programmes?
>>
>> Yeah sure, lying in the middle of the carriageway where if he were a
>> hijacker he could easily have been instantly killed - the victim was run
>> over - I don't think so. Use your noddle, it was gone 3am, they were
>> probably over the limit (alcohol) returning home from a club or
>> wherever.
>>
>>
> OK I'll bite.
> You may or may not be right, but perhaps he was a bad hijacker who did
> what you said, and by the way what do we know about the cyclist at that
> time of night, was he 'over the limit (alcohol) returning home from a club
> or wherever.'?

<<
Mr Wills, 55, who had
been riding home from a dinner, was already dead.
>>

He may have had a drop to drink, I don't know but even if he was blind
drunk it's not an excuse for others to leave him to die.


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[Ian D Henden]

"_" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:39:01 +0100, ®i©ardo wrote:
>
>> Mortimer wrote:
>>> " cupra" > wrote in message
>>> ...
[...]

Nowadays
>>> you can call for help without even leaving your car.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> The trouble is that you could be fined for doing so!
>
Ummm... legitimate call to emergency services is, I beleive, allowable.

[Steve Firth]

Dead Paul > wrote:

> Yeah sure, lying in the middle of the carriageway

How do you know that?

> where if he were a hijacker he could easily have been instantly killed -
> the victim was run over - I don't think so. Use your noddle, it was gone
> 3am, they were probably over the limit (alcohol) returning home from a
> club or wherever.

More guesswork on your part.

I do find it slightly gobsmacking that the police are complaining that
no motorist stopped to help when the police themselves will not enter
Moss Side unless they are in pairs, have bulletproof vests and an exit
strategy.

[Paul Weaver]

On 17 Apr, 09:21, Adrian > wrote:
> <light google>
> Ah, yes. Died of severe head injuries.

No mention if he was wearing a helmet or not, which is unusual.

[Paul Weaver]

On 17 Apr, 12:08, Doug > wrote:
> On 17 Apr, 09:13, " cupra" > wrote:
>
>
>
> > Doug wrote:
> > > Doesn't this say it all about the mentality of the average car addict?
>
> > > "Motorists who left a cyclist to die in the road after he was knocked
> > > over by a stolen car were described as inhuman yesterday.
>
> > > Instead of stopping, they simply swerved around him, and detectives
> > > believe that one may even have driven over the badly injured Stephen
> > > Wills, breaking both his legs.
>
> > Terrible
>
> > > By the time a passer-by finally raised the alarm, Mr Wills, 55, who
> > > had been riding home from a dinner, was already dead.
>
> > > The self-employed plasterer was cycling down a dual carriageway in
> > > Manchester at about 3.30am last Saturday when he was knocked over by a
> > > stolen VW Golf. The car was later found burnt-out nearby.
>
> > > Witnesses said that instead of stopping to help Mr Wills as crucial
> > > minutes ticked by, other motorists steered around his body, and police
> > > believe one actually drove over him.
>
> > So what were the witnesses doing in these crucial minutes, and who were
> > they?
>
> Shouldn't you be more concerned about the motorists who just drove on
> regardless?

On my ride home yesterday I had a woman standing in the middle of the
road waving at me. I just rode on without stopping, and that was at
5PM, stopping in a dodgy area of town at 3AM isn't the best.

Of course a motorist is slightly safer, being in a locked car. A dark
body in the gutter (where most cyclists inadvisably ride) isn't going
to be noticed by many.

[Mark T[_2_]]

Steve Firth writtificated

>> Shouldn't you be more concerned about the motorists who just drove on
>> regardless?
>
> Have you ever lived in Moss Side Duhg?

<snip hysterical witterings>

The area isn't too bad - there are certainly worse places in Manchester -
Moss Side seems to have been cleaned up in the last two decades or so.
That said, although I regularly walk through there, I don't live there.

[Dead Paul]

On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:01:28 +0100, Steve Firth wrote:

> Dead Paul > wrote:
>
>> Yeah sure, lying in the middle of the carriageway
>
> How do you know that?

people are soooooooooooooooo thick.

"cars being driven round the body"

get it?
maybe not.

>> where if he were a hijacker he could easily have been instantly killed -
>> the victim was run over - I don't think so. Use your noddle, it was gone
>> 3am, they were probably over the limit (alcohol) returning home from a
>> club or wherever.
>
> More guesswork on your part.

At least it is an intelligent/educated guess. :-)


> I do find it slightly gobsmacking that the police are complaining that no
> motorist stopped to help when the police themselves will not enter Moss
> Side unless they are in pairs, have bulletproof vests and an exit
> strategy.

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[Steve Firth]

Dead Paul > wrote:

> On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:01:28 +0100, Steve Firth wrote:
>
> > Dead Paul > wrote:
> >
> >> Yeah sure, lying in the middle of the carriageway
> >
> > How do you know that?
>
> people are soooooooooooooooo thick.
>
> "cars being driven round the body"
>
> get it?
> maybe not.

Does the body have to be in the middle of the carriageway in order for
cars to be driven around it? You're right about people being
"soooooooooooooooo thick", you're a perfect example.

> >> where if he were a hijacker he could easily have been instantly killed -
> >> the victim was run over - I don't think so. Use your noddle, it was gone
> >> 3am, they were probably over the limit (alcohol) returning home from a
> >> club or wherever.
> >
> > More guesswork on your part.
>
> At least it is an intelligent/educated guess. :-)

No, it's a stupid assumption.

> > I do find it slightly gobsmacking that the police are complaining that no
> > motorist stopped to help when the police themselves will not enter Moss
> > Side unless they are in pairs, have bulletproof vests and an exit
> > strategy.

No comment, eh?

[Doug[_3_]]

On 17 Apr, 13:27, "nully" > wrote:
> Doug wrote:
> > On 17 Apr, 09:13, " cupra" > wrote:
> > > Doug wrote:
> > > > Doesn't this say it all about the mentality of the average car
> > > > addict?
>
> > > > "Motorists who left a cyclist to die in the road after he was
> > > > knocked over by a stolen car were described as inhuman yesterday.
>
> > > > Instead of stopping, they simply swerved around him, and
> > > > detectives believe that one may even have driven over the badly
> > > > injured Stephen Wills, breaking both his legs.
>
> > > Terrible
>
> > > > By the time a passer-by finally raised the alarm, Mr Wills, 55,
> > > > who had been riding home from a dinner, was already dead.
>
> > > > The self-employed plasterer was cycling down a dual carriageway in
> > > > Manchester at about 3.30am last Saturday when he was knocked over
> > > > by a stolen VW Golf. The car was later found burnt-out nearby.
>
> > > > Witnesses said that instead of stopping to help Mr Wills as
> > > > crucial minutes ticked by, other motorists steered around his
> > > > body, and police believe one actually drove over him.
>
> > > So what were the witnesses doing in these crucial minutes, and who
> > > were they?
>
> > Shouldn't you be more concerned about the motorists who just drove on
> > regardless?
>
> > There seems to be a typical mindset among motorists that nothing
> > should get in their way and they should get to where they are going as
> > quickly as possible regardless.
>
> For once, Duhg is right. As a motorist I confirm that I wouldn't
> interrupt my journey to aid Duhg if I passed him laid by the side of
> the road. Well, actually, I *might* just possibly detour a little to
> run over the old bastids head.
>
Well there you go then, a typical motorist's mindset, which places no
value at all on human life, except their own, and where the right to
drive as fast as possible takes precedence over everything else.

--
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http://www.worldcarfree.net/
Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.

[Brimstone[_4_]]

Doug wrote:
> On 17 Apr, 13:27, "nully" > wrote:
>> Doug wrote:
>>> On 17 Apr, 09:13, " cupra" > wrote:
>>>> Doug wrote:
>>>>> Doesn't this say it all about the mentality of the average car
>>>>> addict?
>>
>>>>> "Motorists who left a cyclist to die in the road after he was
>>>>> knocked over by a stolen car were described as inhuman yesterday.
>>
>>>>> Instead of stopping, they simply swerved around him, and
>>>>> detectives believe that one may even have driven over the badly
>>>>> injured Stephen Wills, breaking both his legs.
>>
>>>> Terrible
>>
>>>>> By the time a passer-by finally raised the alarm, Mr Wills, 55,
>>>>> who had been riding home from a dinner, was already dead.
>>
>>>>> The self-employed plasterer was cycling down a dual carriageway in
>>>>> Manchester at about 3.30am last Saturday when he was knocked over
>>>>> by a stolen VW Golf. The car was later found burnt-out nearby.
>>
>>>>> Witnesses said that instead of stopping to help Mr Wills as
>>>>> crucial minutes ticked by, other motorists steered around his
>>>>> body, and police believe one actually drove over him.
>>
>>>> So what were the witnesses doing in these crucial minutes, and who
>>>> were they?
>>
>>> Shouldn't you be more concerned about the motorists who just drove
>>> on regardless?
>>
>>> There seems to be a typical mindset among motorists that nothing
>>> should get in their way and they should get to where they are going
>>> as quickly as possible regardless.
>>
>> For once, Duhg is right. As a motorist I confirm that I wouldn't
>> interrupt my journey to aid Duhg if I passed him laid by the side of
>> the road. Well, actually, I *might* just possibly detour a little to
>> run over the old bastids head.
>>
> Well there you go then, a typical motorist's mindset, which places no
> value at all on human life, except their own, and where the right to
> drive as fast as possible takes precedence over everything else.

Wrong again Doug. It's only you that "Nully" wants to run over and at any
speed, it doesn't have to be fast.

[®i©ardo]

Doug wrote:
> On 17 Apr, 13:27, "nully" > wrote:
>> Doug wrote:
>>> On 17 Apr, 09:13, " cupra" > wrote:
>>>> Doug wrote:
>>>>> Doesn't this say it all about the mentality of the average car
>>>>> addict?
>>>>> "Motorists who left a cyclist to die in the road after he was
>>>>> knocked over by a stolen car were described as inhuman yesterday.
>>>>> Instead of stopping, they simply swerved around him, and
>>>>> detectives believe that one may even have driven over the badly
>>>>> injured Stephen Wills, breaking both his legs.
>>>> Terrible
>>>>> By the time a passer-by finally raised the alarm, Mr Wills, 55,
>>>>> who had been riding home from a dinner, was already dead.
>>>>> The self-employed plasterer was cycling down a dual carriageway in
>>>>> Manchester at about 3.30am last Saturday when he was knocked over
>>>>> by a stolen VW Golf. The car was later found burnt-out nearby.
>>>>> Witnesses said that instead of stopping to help Mr Wills as
>>>>> crucial minutes ticked by, other motorists steered around his
>>>>> body, and police believe one actually drove over him.
>>>> So what were the witnesses doing in these crucial minutes, and who
>>>> were they?
>>> Shouldn't you be more concerned about the motorists who just drove on
>>> regardless?
>>> There seems to be a typical mindset among motorists that nothing
>>> should get in their way and they should get to where they are going as
>>> quickly as possible regardless.
>> For once, Duhg is right. As a motorist I confirm that I wouldn't
>> interrupt my journey to aid Duhg if I passed him laid by the side of
>> the road. Well, actually, I *might* just possibly detour a little to
>> run over the old bastids head.
>>
> Well there you go then, a typical motorist's mindset, which places no
> value at all on human life, except their own, and where the right to
> drive as fast as possible takes precedence over everything else.
>
> --
> World Carfree Network
> http://www.worldcarfree.net/
> Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.
>

Where did he say anything about driving as fast as possible? He may wish
to run over your head driving very, very slowly.

--
Moving things in still pictures!

[Brian Whitehead]

On 20 Apr, 09:28, "Brimstone" > wrote:
> Doug wrote:
> > On 17 Apr, 13:27, "nully" > wrote:
> >> Doug wrote:
> >>> On 17 Apr, 09:13, " �cupra" > wrote:
> >>>> Doug wrote:
> >>>>> Doesn't this say it all about the mentality of the average car
> >>>>> addict?
>
> >>>>> "Motorists who left a cyclist to die in the road after he was
> >>>>> knocked over by a stolen car were described as inhuman yesterday.
>
> >>>>> Instead of stopping, they simply swerved around him, and
> >>>>> detectives believe that one may even have driven over the badly
> >>>>> injured Stephen Wills, breaking both his legs.
>
> >>>> Terrible
>
> >>>>> By the time a passer-by finally raised the alarm, Mr Wills, 55,
> >>>>> who had been riding home from a dinner, was already dead.
>
> >>>>> The self-employed plasterer was cycling down a dual carriageway in
> >>>>> Manchester at about 3.30am last Saturday when he was knocked over
> >>>>> by a stolen VW Golf. The car was later found burnt-out nearby.
>
> >>>>> Witnesses said that instead of stopping to help Mr Wills as
> >>>>> crucial minutes ticked by, other motorists steered around his
> >>>>> body, and police believe one actually drove over him.
>
> >>>> So what were the witnesses doing in these crucial minutes, and who
> >>>> were they?
>
> >>> Shouldn't you be more concerned about the motorists who just drove
> >>> on regardless?
>
> >>> There seems to be a typical mindset among motorists that nothing
> >>> should get in their way and they should get to where they are going
> >>> as quickly as possible regardless.
>
> >> For once, Duhg is right. As a motorist I confirm that I wouldn't
> >> interrupt my journey to aid Duhg if I passed him laid by the side of
> >> the road. Well, actually, I *might* just possibly detour a little to
> >> run over the old bastids head.
>
> > Well there you go then, a typical motorist's mindset, which places no
> > value at all on human life, except their own, and where the right to
> > drive as fast as possible takes precedence over everything else.
>
> Wrong again Doug. It's only you that "Nully" wants to run over and at any
> speed, it doesn't have to be fast.-

I think it is outrageous of nully to say he'd run over Duhg's head.
That would be far too quick and painless ...

[Brimstone[_4_]]

Brian Whitehead wrote:
> On 20 Apr, 09:28, "Brimstone" > wrote:
>> Doug wrote:
>>> On 17 Apr, 13:27, "nully" > wrote:
>>>> Doug wrote:
>>>>> On 17 Apr, 09:13, " ?cupra" > wrote:
>>>>>> Doug wrote:
>>>>>>> Doesn't this say it all about the mentality of the average car
>>>>>>> addict?
>>
>>>>>>> "Motorists who left a cyclist to die in the road after he was
>>>>>>> knocked over by a stolen car were described as inhuman
>>>>>>> yesterday.
>>
>>>>>>> Instead of stopping, they simply swerved around him, and
>>>>>>> detectives believe that one may even have driven over the badly
>>>>>>> injured Stephen Wills, breaking both his legs.
>>
>>>>>> Terrible
>>
>>>>>>> By the time a passer-by finally raised the alarm, Mr Wills, 55,
>>>>>>> who had been riding home from a dinner, was already dead.
>>
>>>>>>> The self-employed plasterer was cycling down a dual carriageway
>>>>>>> in Manchester at about 3.30am last Saturday when he was knocked
>>>>>>> over by a stolen VW Golf. The car was later found burnt-out
>>>>>>> nearby.
>>
>>>>>>> Witnesses said that instead of stopping to help Mr Wills as
>>>>>>> crucial minutes ticked by, other motorists steered around his
>>>>>>> body, and police believe one actually drove over him.
>>
>>>>>> So what were the witnesses doing in these crucial minutes, and
>>>>>> who were they?
>>
>>>>> Shouldn't you be more concerned about the motorists who just drove
>>>>> on regardless?
>>
>>>>> There seems to be a typical mindset among motorists that nothing
>>>>> should get in their way and they should get to where they are
>>>>> going as quickly as possible regardless.
>>
>>>> For once, Duhg is right. As a motorist I confirm that I wouldn't
>>>> interrupt my journey to aid Duhg if I passed him laid by the side
>>>> of the road. Well, actually, I *might* just possibly detour a
>>>> little to run over the old bastids head.
>>
>>> Well there you go then, a typical motorist's mindset, which places
>>> no value at all on human life, except their own, and where the
>>> right to drive as fast as possible takes precedence over everything
>>> else.
>>
>> Wrong again Doug. It's only you that "Nully" wants to run over and
>> at any speed, it doesn't have to be fast.-
>
> I think it is outrageous of nully to say he'd run over Duhg's head.
> That would be far too quick and painless ...

But nully didn't exclude running over the rest of him beforehand.

[nully]

Doug wrote:

> On 17 Apr, 13:27, "nully" > wrote:
> > Doug wrote:
> > > On 17 Apr, 09:13, " cupra" > wrote:
> > > > Doug wrote:
> > > > > Doesn't this say it all about the mentality of the average car
> > > > > addict?
> >
> > > > > "Motorists who left a cyclist to die in the road after he was
> > > > > knocked over by a stolen car were described as inhuman
> > > > > yesterday.
> >
> > > > > Instead of stopping, they simply swerved around him, and
> > > > > detectives believe that one may even have driven over the
> > > > > badly injured Stephen Wills, breaking both his legs.
> >
> > > > Terrible
> >
> > > > > By the time a passer-by finally raised the alarm, Mr Wills,
> > > > > 55, who had been riding home from a dinner, was already dead.
> >
> > > > > The self-employed plasterer was cycling down a dual
> > > > > carriageway in Manchester at about 3.30am last Saturday when
> > > > > he was knocked over by a stolen VW Golf. The car was later
> > > > > found burnt-out nearby.
> >
> > > > > Witnesses said that instead of stopping to help Mr Wills as
> > > > > crucial minutes ticked by, other motorists steered around his
> > > > > body, and police believe one actually drove over him.
> >
> > > > So what were the witnesses doing in these crucial minutes, and
> > > > who were they?
> >
> > > Shouldn't you be more concerned about the motorists who just
> > > drove on regardless?
> >
> > > There seems to be a typical mindset among motorists that nothing
> > > should get in their way and they should get to where they are
> > > going as quickly as possible regardless.
> >
> > For once, Duhg is right. As a motorist I confirm that I wouldn't
> > interrupt my journey to aid Duhg if I passed him laid by the side of
> > the road. Well, actually, I might just possibly detour a little to
> > run over the old bastids head.
> >
> Well there you go then, a typical motorist's mindset, which places no
> value at all on human life, except their own, and where the right to
> drive as fast as possible takes precedence over everything else.

But Duhggie old chap, you repeatedly *approve* of people taking the law
into their own hands! I personally dont think that xenophobic
scrounging whiny old *******s like you should be allowed to live, but
unfortunately the police dont permit despatching you to your
long-overdue grave. No matter, time is on my side and you'll soon be
poisoning the soil somewhere!

[Phil Bradshaw]

Doug wrote:

> Doesn't this say it all about the mentality of the average car addict?
>
> "Motorists who left a cyclist to die in the road after he was knocked
> over by a stolen car were described as inhuman yesterday.
>
Given the location and time this doesn't surprise me.

[Phil Bradshaw]

Steve Firth wrote:
>
> I do find it slightly gobsmacking that the police are complaining that
> no motorist stopped to help when the police themselves will not enter
> Moss Side unless they are in pairs, have bulletproof vests and an exit
> strategy.

Wail snap looks like Princess Road just north of Alexandra Park, these days
not a good place to stop in the wee small hours without some serious
back-up.

[John Clayton]

"®i©ardo" > wrote in message
...

>>> For once, Duhg is right. As a motorist I confirm that I wouldn't
>>> interrupt my journey to aid Duhg if I passed him laid by the side of
>>> the road. Well, actually, I *might* just possibly detour a little to
>>> run over the old bastids head.
>>>
>> Well there you go then, a typical motorist's mindset, which places no
>> value at all on human life, except their own, and where the right to
>> drive as fast as possible takes precedence over everything else.
>>
>
> Where did he say anything about driving as fast as possible? He may wish
> to run over your head driving very, very slowly.
>
> --
> Moving things in still pictures!


I've taken the "cross" to uk.transport off as I don't want to start the
plainly unfeeling tosspots up again.
But, aren't some of them utterly brain dead halfwits?
A view confirmed every day by the stupid behaviour I see every day I drive
or cycle.

John

[John Wright]

Doug wrote:
> Doesn't this say it all about the mentality of the average car addict?

No, it describes the behaviour of one person.


--
John Wright

I feel like an insane person with the ability to mimic sanity

[®i©ardo]

John Wright wrote:
> Doug wrote:
>> Doesn't this say it all about the mentality of the average car addict?
>
> No, it describes the behaviour of one person.
>
>
But it does speak volumes about the mentality of one person who would
use an incident like this to condemn millions of motorists, of whom few,
if any, would condone such actions!

--
Moving things in still pictures!

[Doug[_3_]]

On 26 Apr, 09:29, John Wright > wrote:
> Doug wrote:
> > Doesn't this say it all about the mentality of the average car addict?
>
> No, it describes the behaviour of one person.
>
It says 'Inhuman motorists' plural.

--
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http://www.worldcarfree.net/
Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.

[Brimstone[_4_]]

Doug wrote:
> On 26 Apr, 09:29, John Wright > wrote:
>> Doug wrote:
>>> Doesn't this say it all about the mentality of the average car
>>> addict?
>>
>> No, it describes the behaviour of one person.
>>
> It says 'Inhuman motorists' plural.

Are motorists not people?

[Sue White]

Brimstone > whizzed past me shouting
>Doug wrote:
>> On 26 Apr, 09:29, John Wright > wrote:
>>> Doug wrote:
>>>> Doesn't this say it all about the mentality of the average car
>>>> addict?
>>>
>>> No, it describes the behaviour of one person.
>>>
>> It says 'Inhuman motorists' plural.
>
>Are motorists not people?
>

That's what we're discussing. Do please try to keep up at the back!

--
Sue ];(:)

The bicycle is just as good company as most husbands,
and when it gets old and shabby a woman can dispose of it and get a new one.