Tyler Hamilton is a big liar head

[Appkiller]

Hamilton has been quoted as saying Ullrich was not going to wait for
Armstrong after the crash on Luz-Ardiden. But, as has been pointed
out to me by a number of people, Phil Liggett and an AP reporter in
NYC are better judges of what happened on that climb than he is, even
though Hamilton was there. And video is certainly better than the
statement of a rider in the race who was there.

I wonder why he would denigrate Ullrich's character so?

I bet he's lying about the collarbone too. The *******.

App

[Pat]

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"Appkiller" > wrote in message
om...
> Hamilton has been quoted as saying Ullrich was not going to wait for
> Armstrong after the crash on Luz-Ardiden. But, as has been pointed
> out to me by a number of people, Phil Liggett and an AP reporter in
> NYC are better judges of what happened on that climb than he is, even
> though Hamilton was there. And video is certainly better than the
> statement of a rider in the race who was there.
>
> I wonder why he would denigrate Ullrich's character so?
>
> I bet he's lying about the collarbone too. The *******.
>
> App

Jeez, give it a rest! You're getting your panties in a wad over nothing.

Pat in TX

[Karen M.]

Appkiller wrote:
> Hamilton has been quoted as saying Ullrich was not going to wait for
> Armstrong after the crash on Luz-Ardiden. But, as has been pointed
> out to me by a number of people, Phil Liggett and an AP reporter in
> NYC are better judges of what happened on that climb than he is, even
> though Hamilton was there. And video is certainly better than the
> statement of a rider in the race who was there.
>
> I wonder why he would denigrate Ullrich's character so?
>
> I bet he's lying about the collarbone too. The *******.


He's on drugs. (And entitled to be.)
X-ray photo is up at
http://www.cyclingnews.com/tour.php?id=photos/2003/tour03. Search for
it!

--Karen M.

[Luigi de Guzman]

(Appkiller) wrote in message >...
> Hamilton has been quoted as saying Ullrich was not going to wait for
> Armstrong after the crash on Luz-Ardiden. But, as has been pointed
> out to me by a number of people, Phil Liggett and an AP reporter in
> NYC are better judges of what happened on that climb than he is, even
> though Hamilton was there. And video is certainly better than the
> statement of a rider in the race who was there.
>
> I wonder why he would denigrate Ullrich's character so?

Denigration? maybe not. We'll never know what was in Ullrich's head.

>
> I bet he's lying about the collarbone too. The *******.

How about that stage win today though???

-Luigi

allez Tyler!

>
> App

[Tim McTeague]

What drugs? Where is your proof? Or do you just enjoy slander?

Tim McTeague

> >
> > I bet he's lying about the collarbone too. The *******.
>
>
> He's on drugs. (And entitled to be.)
> X-ray photo is up at
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/tour.php?id=photos/2003/tour03. Search for
> it!
>
> --Karen M.

[Mark Hickey]

(Appkiller) wrote:

>Hamilton has been quoted as saying Ullrich was not going to wait for
>Armstrong after the crash on Luz-Ardiden. But, as has been pointed
>out to me by a number of people, Phil Liggett and an AP reporter in
>NYC are better judges of what happened on that climb than he is, even
>though Hamilton was there. And video is certainly better than the
>statement of a rider in the race who was there.
>
>I wonder why he would denigrate Ullrich's character so?

He never said that about Ullrich, and I'll bet you you can't come up
with a single reference quoting him that says he did. Read his quote
- he was talking about the rest of the field.

Of course, maybe you can explain how after Armstrong crashed the
entire field (including Hamilton) who had all be soundly dropped was
instantly able to bridge the significant gap to the now-accelerating
Ullrich who had put the hammer down and was trying to ride away from
Lance? Yeah, THAT makes sense.

>I bet he's lying about the collarbone too. The *******.

Whatever, Mr. Troll.

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $695 ti frame

[Pat]

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"Tim McTeague"
> What drugs? Where is your proof? Or do you just enjoy slander?
>
> Tim McTeague


Why would it be slander for someone to recognize that a person with a broken
collarbone is taking pain medication?

Maybe you should stop shooting from the hip, Tim.

Pat in TX

[Hunrobe]

(Appkiller)

wrote in part:

>Hamilton has been quoted as saying Ullrich was not going to wait for
>Armstrong after the crash on Luz-Ardiden.

"Has been quoted as saying", huh? That's kinda like the phrase "everyone knows"
when in fact they don't. What's your source for this?

Regards,
Bob Hunt

[James Hodson]

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:45:01 -0400, "Tim McTeague"
> wrote:

>I am well aware it does not rise to the level of slander but when someone
>says a cyclist is "on drugs" I think the message is clear. Drug testing is
>so strict these days that Vaughters could not even take anything to control
>the massive swelling in his face when he was stung by a bee in a previous
>tour. I doubt that whatever Tyler is taking is not much up to the task of
>taking away broken collar bone pain. I'm just getting tired of the signal
>to noise ratio of these newsgroups. I'm on vacation this week and spending
>too much time on-line so its back to playing with my two new Siberian Husky
>puppies and riding my bike. As I climbed a very steep local hill I kept
>wondering just how touch it must be to stay at it for hours, even without a
>broken bone. The pros are just amazing.
>

Hi Tim

I was both unfortunate and stupid enough to break both my collar bones
about 18 months ago in two separate incidents. (Unfortunate, not my
fault. Stupid, entirely my fault.)

For quite a few days after each break I could hardly sleep or crawl
into my bed let alone ride a bike. Even mounting a bicycle was
extremely painful. However, once I was on the bike it all was less
painful. As a "bloke who rides a bike" I was, of course, allowed to
take whatever pain-killing drugs I liked, none of which really worked
too well.

The thought of pulling on the bars to help my climbing, such as it is
in my part of the UK, makes me wince even now. And, don't forget,
Tyler had hills a little more steep than the occasional railway
crossing or slight incline I find in the Southern part of England.

However, I do recall one TdeF cyclist either last year or the before
being denied anti-histamines or maybe a cortisone drug of of some
sort. He'd been stung by a wasp or a bee and his damaged eye closed
up. AFAIK, the active ingredient of the drug was illegal according to
the ICU rules.

Ignoring all of the above: Tyler should receive some sort of prize for
the most combatitive or brave rider.

Regards
James

PS I also smashed a shoulder around the same time as I bust both colar
bones.

--
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/c.butty/Larrau.jpg

[Karen M.]

Tim leapt to TH's defense:

> What drugs? Where is your proof? Or do you just enjoy slander?

The man has a broken collarbone, for heaven's sake. I was referring
to painkillers.

--Karen M.
jeeze!!

[Appkiller]

Mark Hickey > wrote in message >...
> (Appkiller) wrote:
>
> >Hamilton has been quoted as saying Ullrich was not going to wait for
> >Armstrong after the crash on Luz-Ardiden. But, as has been pointed
> >out to me by a number of people, Phil Liggett and an AP reporter in
> >NYC are better judges of what happened on that climb than he is, even
> >though Hamilton was there. And video is certainly better than the
> >statement of a rider in the race who was there.
> >
> >I wonder why he would denigrate Ullrich's character so?
>
> He never said that about Ullrich, and I'll bet you you can't come up
> with a single reference quoting him that says he did. Read his quote
> - he was talking about the rest of the field.
>
> Of course, maybe you can explain how after Armstrong crashed the
> entire field (including Hamilton) who had all be soundly dropped was
> instantly able to bridge the significant gap to the now-accelerating
> Ullrich who had put the hammer down and was trying to ride away from
> Lance? Yeah, THAT makes sense.
>
> >I bet he's lying about the collarbone too. The *******.
>
> Whatever, Mr. Troll.
>
> Mark Hickey
> Habanero Cycles
> http://www.habcycles.com
> Home of the $695 ti frame

Mark:

"LUZ-ARDIDEN, France (Reuters) - Overall leader Lance Armstrong had
former team mate Tyler Hamilton to thank for his victory on the 15th
stage of the Tour de France Monday.

Hamilton slowed down the favorites group, which included second-placed
German Jan Ullrich, after the defending champion crashed on the climb
to the finish.

Armstrong had just counter-attacked behind Iban Mayo when he appeared
to get a spectator's bag snagged in his brake lever, bringing himself
and the Basque rider crashing to the ground.

"There's an unwritten rule in cycling that when the yellow jersey
crashes or has a mechanical (problem) you wait for him," said
Hamilton, who was Armstrong's right-hand man at U.S. Postal until he
left the team at the end of 2001.

"I didn't feel like the riders were waiting and I felt a
responsibility to go to the front and make a hand gesture to slow
down...."


Yes, Mark, you are right, he didn't mention Ullrich by name. But
Ullrich was in the referenced group that the direct quote in the
Reuters article refers to. I take it that your contention is that
Ullrich was not physically present in the group slowed by Hamilton?.

This post was intended as sarcasm in response to "hunrobe the
penishead" who has doggedly ignored the statements of a rider who was
there with a bias toward seeing how much rage he can engender by
ignoring the realities of news reporting. That final comment about
Hamilton's collarbone was intended to be a sarcastic exclamation point
to the entire posting. If you examine my original post, I
congratulated Hamilton on his courage (wrt his collarbone) and
sportsmanship (wrt his concern for maintaining the chivalry of the
tour) and that was NOT intended to be sarcastic.

Whatever, Mr. Misinterpretation.

Mr. Troll.

[archer]

In article >,
says...
> (Appkiller) wrote:
>
> >"LUZ-ARDIDEN, France (Reuters) - Overall leader Lance Armstrong had
> >former team mate Tyler Hamilton to thank for his victory on the 15th
> >stage of the Tour de France Monday.
> >
> >Hamilton slowed down the favorites group, which included second-placed
> >German Jan Ullrich, after the defending champion crashed on the climb
> >to the finish.
> >
> >Armstrong had just counter-attacked behind Iban Mayo when he appeared
> >to get a spectator's bag snagged in his brake lever, bringing himself
> >and the Basque rider crashing to the ground.
> >
> >"There's an unwritten rule in cycling that when the yellow jersey
> >crashes or has a mechanical (problem) you wait for him," said
> >Hamilton, who was Armstrong's right-hand man at U.S. Postal until he
> >left the team at the end of 2001.
> >
> >"I didn't feel like the riders were waiting and I felt a
> >responsibility to go to the front and make a hand gesture to slow
> >down...."
> >
> >
> >Yes, Mark, you are right, he didn't mention Ullrich by name. But
> >Ullrich was in the referenced group that the direct quote in the
> >Reuters article refers to. I take it that your contention is that
> >Ullrich was not physically present in the group slowed by Hamilton?.
>
> Explain then how AFTER Ullrich had dropped everyone else (with
> Armstrong and Mayo) soundly, Hamilton found himself almost immediately
> AHEAD of Ullrich if he WASN'T waiting. The move by the top three was
> decisive and no one was going to hold their wheels. It's clear (from
> the video, from the interviews) that Ullrich did indeed wait. Trying
> to read that he didn't into the above excerpt, AND ignoring the fact
> that had Ullrich really put the hammer down, no one would have caught
> him, much less the entire group he had just dropped like a rock.

He hadn't dropped them; he was just behind Mayo; if you watch the video,
you can see him dodging to the left to avoid the crash. If you mean that
those 3 had dropped the rest, then you are correct.


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