Is the lack of healthcare coverage keeping you away from biking?

[ComandanteBanana]

Listen guys, you talk and talk about bicycles as if it were the only
thing wrong with this country. No! There are many thing that need
fixing besides our chaotic roads. And how about if you get hit by a
car (hit and run) and you don't have insurance? How about if you fall?
How about the physical therapy and the job that won't wait for you
after the accident? That alone will keep many Americans from riding a
bike.

(I answer at bottom)

On Oct 8, 11:48 pm, Answer_42 > wrote:
> On Oct 8, 6:45 pm, Chris > wrote:
>
> > it's not communism, it's the fact that socialized medicine sucks. Talk
> > to Kitty Hundal, or just read her blog entry. Canadians will tell you
> > strait up that there implementation is nightmarish. I've heard this
> > from Canadians years ago, then some idiot socialist New Jerseyites try
> > to convince me that Canadians love it.
> > Some might say that for the sniffles and other totally unnecessary
> > doctor visits, *free* healthcare is a panacea. But when you actually
> > need a critical operation such as an organ or whatever, you get put on
> > a list, and are forced to cross the border to have your life saved.
>
> You have no idea what the **** you are talking about.
>
> I live in Canada.
>
> My oldest son was rushed to the post-natal intensive care unit of a
> hospital specialized in children care 18 hours after his birth. The
> ambulance was escorted by 5 police cars to cut through traffic
> because he was in a very serious condition. He spent 10 days in the
> unit.
> If I had been in America, because of my situation at the time, I would
> not have been insured. He would have died. As simple as that.
> My mom, who could not afford insurance if she were in the good ole
> USA, has diabetes. She had a heart attack and then breast cancer. She
> got all the operations and treatment necessary for her to live happily
> another 10 years. She is still going strong. She would have died in
> the USA.
> This is only two people in my life. There are plenty more stories like
> that.
>
> Nobody ever died in Canada because of those so called lists ignorant
> Americans like to mention. It is all bull****. In fact, you can often
> get faster service in an emergecny ward in Canada then you do in
> America, epsecially when compared to an American who has cheap
> coverage.
> European countries are even more advanced than Canada in that regard,
> and they are not communists.
>
> You are spouting propaganda designed to scare you into accepting a
> below-par service while the government ****s you up the ass as they
> (and the Insurance/Pharmaceutical companies) get rich on your back...
> Don't believe me? Do some research and try to find out how much these
> companies have "contributed" to politician campaigns...
>
> Hell, even Cuba takes care of its people better than the USA does...
> Why do you think life expectancy is THREE years lower in the States
> when compared to Canada? And even more behind European countries. The
> infant mortality rate is higher in the US than in Canada, any West-
> European country and some South American ones. The list goes on.
>
> So stick to the facts, please, and stop showing us that you have been
> properly brainwashed.
> ________________________________________
> Scepticism is the first step towards truth.
> -- Denis Diderot

Americans truly believe they are #1, but hardly know any details about
the outside world.

Well, they hear things are real bad in Africa and make them feel good.
But if our politicians travel so much why don't they ever go to Europe
or even cross the border into Canada?

COMING OUT OF THE JUNGLE
(healthcare and bike proposals included)
http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote1

[Peter Clinch]

ComandanteBanana wrote:
> Listen guys, you talk and talk about bicycles as if it were the only
> thing wrong with this country.

If you are going to talk about specific non-UK countries it's pretty
daft to post your stuff into the UK-specific uk.rec.cycling.

It's rude, and since /we/have universal healthcare coverage in any case
it's also completely irrelevant.

So please desist from posting the likes of it into urc.
Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

[Frank Krygowski[_2_]]

On Oct 9, 11:15*am, Peter Clinch > wrote:
> ComandanteBanana wrote:
> > Listen guys, you talk and talk about bicycles as if it were the only
> > thing wrong with this country.
>
> If you are going to talk about specific non-UK countries it's pretty
> daft to post your stuff into the UK-specific uk.rec.cycling.
>
> It's rude, and since /we/have universal healthcare coverage in any case
> it's also completely irrelevant.
>
> So please desist from posting the likes of it into urc.
> Pete.
> --
> Peter Clinch * * * * * * * * * *Medical Physics IT Officer

Unfortunately, telling this guy to stop inappropriate posting is like
telling a skunk to stop stinking.

- Frank Krygowski

[ComandanteBanana]

On Oct 9, 11:15 am, Peter Clinch > wrote:
> ComandanteBanana wrote:
> > Listen guys, you talk and talk about bicycles as if it were the only
> > thing wrong with this country.
>
> If you are going to talk about specific non-UK countries it's pretty
> daft to post your stuff into the UK-specific uk.rec.cycling.
>
> It's rude, and since /we/have universal healthcare coverage in any case
> it's also completely irrelevant.
>
> So please desist from posting the likes of it into urc.
> Pete.

I don't know. Somehow the UK is responsible for starting this thing
that later became "America"... ;)

Now please, how do you handle those injuries under the UK's universal
healthcare? Thanks!

[ComandanteBanana]

On Oct 9, 1:37 pm, Frank Krygowski > wrote:
> On Oct 9, 11:15 am, Peter Clinch > wrote:
>
> > ComandanteBanana wrote:
> > > Listen guys, you talk and talk about bicycles as if it were the only
> > > thing wrong with this country.
>
> > If you are going to talk about specific non-UK countries it's pretty
> > daft to post your stuff into the UK-specific uk.rec.cycling.
>
> > It's rude, and since /we/have universal healthcare coverage in any case
> > it's also completely irrelevant.
>
> > So please desist from posting the likes of it into urc.
> > Pete.
> > --
> > Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
>
> Unfortunately, telling this guy to stop inappropriate posting is like
> telling a skunk to stop stinking.

You can always wear a mask, right?

[ComandanteBanana]

Originally Posted by Roughstuff

I use my cycling as part of an overall health/training regimen. I have
alot of problems with minor scoliosis and numbness in my hands and
legs, and find that cycling actually improves how I feel because your
posture on a bike---you arms fully extended, etc---is one therapy that
is commonly recommended. Furthermore, my style of cycling is aerobic,
keeps me trim and fit, and lubricates the joints.

roughstuff

***

So your cycling falls under PREVENTION, right?

I guess Obama is for biking then. Everybody here voting for him or not
voting at all, right?

[Peter Clinch]

ComandanteBanana wrote:

> Now please, how do you handle those injuries under the UK's universal
> healthcare? Thanks!

You turn up at the doctor's or A&E and say "ouch" and the NHS takes over.

Now go away.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

[Jym Dyer]

"Comandante" Banana a.k.a. No Lion No Problem writes:

> I don't know. Somehow the UK is responsible for starting this
> thing that later became "America"... ;)

=x= I realize that you're a slack-jawed idiot and all, but try
to rub two neurons together for a change. What you wrote is
TOTALLY OFF-TOPIC for uk.rec.cycling, and you were called out
on it. Get a grip.

=x= Try listening for a change. Cross-posting everywhere is
idiotic and only gets you *plonk*ed. You could at least attempt
to be on-topic for the newsgroups you inflict your blithering
idiocy on.
<_Jym_>

--
Arugula Bay Steelers for Truth

[ComandanteBanana]

On Oct 10, 5:04 am, Jym Dyer > wrote:
> >> Unfortunately, telling this guy to stop inappropriate posting
> >> is like telling a skunk to stop stinking.
> > You can always wear a mask, right?
>
> =x= Advice to wear a [gas] mask seems to be an admission that
> you stink. You stink like ****.
>
> =x= You are *plonk*ed by many, in part because of your idiotic
> cross-posting and in part because of the idiotic content of
> anything and everything you write. You now, "*plonk*" is
> the sound of **** plopping into toilet water, which further
> underscores how badly you stink: in particular, your idiocy
> and failure to abide by the most rudimentary etiquette by
> inconsiderately cross-posting your off-topic drivel.
> <_Jym_>

Is that your whole point, that people dismiss me because I cross post?
If people are stupid enough to ignore the jungle I'm talking about...
they may get eaten by the lion. ;)

[PatTX]

:: ComandanteBanana wrote:
::: Now please, how do you handle those injuries under the UK's
::: universal healthcare? Thanks!




:: You turn up at the doctor's or A&E and say "ouch" and the NHS takes
:: over.
::
:: Now go away.
:: --
:: Peter Clinch

You wish....Just killfile him as the rest of us have done.

Pat in TX

[[email protected]]

LAck of insurance doesnt keep the illegal "wrong way jose's" from
riding around here. They ride against traffic,no lights, etc. If
they get hit guess who pays? You and I . The wonderful medicaid plan
to keep illegals and indigents alive drains the economy. I work and
have insurance so dont really worry about getting hit.


On Oct 9, 11:01*am, ComandanteBanana >
wrote:
> Listen guys, you talk and talk about bicycles as if it were the only
> thing wrong with this country. No! There are many thing that need
> fixing besides our chaotic roads. And how about if you get hit by a
> car (hit and run) and you don't have insurance? How about if you fall?
> How about the physical therapy and the job that won't wait for you
> after the accident? That alone will keep many Americans from riding a
> bike.
>
> (I answer at bottom)
>
> On Oct 8, 11:48 pm, Answer_42 > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 8, 6:45 pm, Chris > wrote:
>
> > > it's not communism, it's the fact that socialized medicine sucks. Talk
> > > to Kitty Hundal, or just read her blog entry. Canadians will tell you
> > > strait up that there implementation is nightmarish. I've heard this
> > > from Canadians years ago, then some idiot socialist New Jerseyites try
> > > to convince me that Canadians love it.
> > > *Some might say that for the sniffles and other totally unnecessary
> > > doctor visits, *free* healthcare is a panacea. But when you actually
> > > need a critical operation such as an organ or whatever, you get put on
> > > a list, and are forced to cross the border to have your life saved.
>
> > You have no idea what the **** you are talking about.
>
> > I live in Canada.
>
> > My oldest son was rushed to the post-natal intensive care unit of a
> > hospital specialized in children care 18 hours after his birth. The
> > ambulance was escorted *by 5 police cars to cut through traffic
> > because he was in a very serious condition. He spent 10 days in the
> > unit.
> > If I had been in America, because of my situation at the time, I would
> > not have been insured. He would have died. As simple as that.
> > My mom, who could not afford insurance if she were in the good ole
> > USA, has diabetes. She had a heart attack and then breast cancer. She
> > got all the operations and treatment necessary for her to live happily
> > another 10 years. She is still going strong. She would have died in
> > the USA.
> > This is only two people in my life. There are plenty more stories like
> > that.
>
> > Nobody ever died in Canada because of those so called lists ignorant
> > Americans like to mention. It is all bull****. In fact, you can often
> > get faster service in an emergecny ward in Canada then you do in
> > America, epsecially when compared to an American who has cheap
> > coverage.
> > European countries are even more advanced than Canada in that regard,
> > and they are not communists.
>
> > You are spouting propaganda designed to scare you into accepting a
> > below-par service while the government ****s you up the ass as they
> > (and the Insurance/Pharmaceutical companies) get rich on your back...
> > Don't believe me? Do some research and try to find out how much these
> > companies have "contributed" to politician campaigns...
>
> > Hell, even Cuba takes care of its people better than the USA does...
> > Why do you think life expectancy is THREE years lower in the States
> > when compared to Canada? And even more behind European countries. The
> > infant mortality rate is higher in the US than in Canada, any West-
> > European country and some South American ones. The list goes on.
>
> > So stick to the facts, please, and stop showing us that you have been
> > properly brainwashed.
> > ________________________________________
> > Scepticism is the first step towards truth.
> > -- Denis Diderot
>
> Americans truly believe they are #1, but hardly know any details about
> the outside world.
>
> Well, they hear things are real bad in Africa and make them feel good.
> But if our politicians travel so much why don't they ever go to Europe
> or even cross the border into Canada?
>
> COMING OUT OF THE JUNGLE
> (healthcare and bike proposals included)http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote1- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[ComandanteBanana]

On Oct 12, 8:50*am, wrote:
> LAck of insurance doesnt keep the illegal "wrong way jose's" from
> riding around here. *They ride against traffic,no lights, etc. *If
> they get hit guess who pays? You and I . *The wonderful medicaid plan
> to keep illegals and indigents alive drains the economy. * I work and
> have insurance so dont really worry about getting hit.

I think you are getting ripped off, not because the illegal
immigrants, but because you spend the most money for having covered
the least amount of people in the civilized world. Somebody must be to
blame beside the wetbacks: INSURANCE COMPANIES, BUREAUCRACIES, GREEDY
DOCTORS, etc, etc.

[[email protected]]

I am an AMERICAN. Not one of the emasculated Eurpoeans that are
afraid to fight. America was founded by independent patriots who did
not believe in the government caring for everyone from cradle to
grave. I like many others wish hey would ELIMINATE all social
programs. Work or you dont eat. Dont eat and you die. Fewer
criminals in our society and fewer wastes of skin. I dont care how
much doctors etc get paid if I only pay $35for a hospital stay!!!


On Oct 12, 1:00*pm, ComandanteBanana >
wrote:
> On Oct 12, 8:50*am, wrote:
>
> > LAck of insurance doesnt keep the illegal "wrong way jose's" from
> > riding around here. *They ride against traffic,no lights, etc. *If
> > they get hit guess who pays? You and I . *The wonderful medicaid plan
> > to keep illegals and indigents alive drains the economy. * I work and
> > have insurance so dont really worry about getting hit.
>
> I think you are getting ripped off, not because the illegal
> immigrants, but because you spend the most money for having covered
> the least amount of people in the civilized world. Somebody must be to
> blame beside the wetbacks: INSURANCE COMPANIES, BUREAUCRACIES, GREEDY
> DOCTORS, etc, etc.

[Tom Sherman[_2_]]

aka Little Jimmy wrote:
> I am an AMERICAN. Not one of the emasculated Eurpoeans that are
> afraid to fight. America was founded by independent patriots who did
> not believe in the government caring for everyone from cradle to
> grave.

The USian founders also believed in stealing land from the indigenous
population. Since there is no more land left to steal, that alters the
responsibilities of the government.

> I like many others wish hey would ELIMINATE all social
> programs. Work or you dont eat. Dont eat and you die. Fewer
> criminals in our society and fewer wastes of skin.

So people who are willing to work should die when private enterprise
fails to provide enough work?

Of course, "Little Jimmy" can not see that his advocated policy will
lead to more crime and eventually insurrection, as it has in practically
every country without a social safety net.

--
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
If you are not a part of the solution, you are a part of the precipitate.

[ComandanteBanana]

On Oct 12, 1:59*pm, wrote:
> I am an AMERICAN. *Not one of the emasculated Eurpoeans that are
> afraid to fight. *America was founded by independent patriots who did
> not believe in the government caring for everyone from cradle to
> grave. *I like many others wish hey would ELIMINATE all social
> programs. *Work or you dont eat. *Dont eat and you die. Fewer
> criminals in our society and fewer wastes of skin. *I dont care how
> much doctors etc get paid if I only pay $35for a hospital stay!!!

Are you doing the actual fight, or you just rely on the children of
the poor to do the fight for your kind so they can enjoy the same
benefits (education and health) the other young people get for free in
the civilized world?

Why then you called your system DEMOCRACY, and not something far more
honest like JUNGLE?

[Sir Jeremy]

On 12 Oct, 18:59, wrote:
> I am an AMERICAN. *Not one of the emasculated Eurpoeans that are
> afraid to fight. *America was founded by independent patriots who did
> not believe in the government caring for everyone from cradle to
> grave. *I like many others wish hey would ELIMINATE all social
> programs. *Work or you dont eat. *Dont eat and you die. Fewer
> criminals in our society and fewer wastes of skin. *I dont care how
> much doctors etc get paid if I only pay $35for a hospital stay!!!
>
> On Oct 12, 1:00*pm, ComandanteBanana >
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 12, 8:50*am, wrote:
>
> > > LAck of insurance doesnt keep the illegal "wrong way jose's" from
> > > riding around here. *They ride against traffic,no lights, etc. *If
> > > they get hit guess who pays? You and I . *The wonderful medicaid plan
> > > to keep illegals and indigents alive drains the economy. * I work and
> > > have insurance so dont really worry about getting hit.
>
> > I think you are getting ripped off, not because the illegal
> > immigrants, but because you spend the most money for having covered
> > the least amount of people in the civilized world. Somebody must be to
> > blame beside the wetbacks: INSURANCE COMPANIES, BUREAUCRACIES, GREEDY
> > DOCTORS, etc, etc.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


Us Brits aren't afraid to fight, you Yanks are always last in

[ComandanteBanana]

On Oct 13, 1:46*pm, Sir Jeremy > wrote:
> On 12 Oct, 18:59, wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I am an AMERICAN. *Not one of the emasculated Eurpoeans that are
> > afraid to fight. *America was founded by independent patriots who did
> > not believe in the government caring for everyone from cradle to
> > grave. *I like many others wish hey would ELIMINATE all social
> > programs. *Work or you dont eat. *Dont eat and you die. Fewer
> > criminals in our society and fewer wastes of skin. *I dont care how
> > much doctors etc get paid if I only pay $35for a hospital stay!!!
>
> > On Oct 12, 1:00*pm, ComandanteBanana >
> > wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 12, 8:50*am, wrote:
>
> > > > LAck of insurance doesnt keep the illegal "wrong way jose's" from
> > > > riding around here. *They ride against traffic,no lights, etc. *If
> > > > they get hit guess who pays? You and I . *The wonderful medicaid plan
> > > > to keep illegals and indigents alive drains the economy. * I work and
> > > > have insurance so dont really worry about getting hit.
>
> > > I think you are getting ripped off, not because the illegal
> > > immigrants, but because you spend the most money for having covered
> > > the least amount of people in the civilized world. Somebody must be to
> > > blame beside the wetbacks: INSURANCE COMPANIES, BUREAUCRACIES, GREEDY
> > > DOCTORS, etc, etc.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Us Brits aren't afraid to fight, you Yanks are always last in- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I wonder if if the Brits wonder why they are fighing along the United
Selfish of America. Well, no wonder you are pulling out of Iraq. ;)

(back to the original subject)

On Oct 11, 7:18 pm, trog69 > wrote:
> And once again, the Christian is found to be a lying sack of ****. Far
> more Canadians are happy with their health care than the US is of
> theirs. Since the lowliest tree-dwelling drunken stew bum in Canada
> can still get treated for a health condition, I can see why.
>
> Nice little Christian "Screw you; I got mine" attitude we see so
> frequently, authoritarian boy.

I see something fundamentally wrong with that mentality prevalent in
United Selfish of America.

I think is the SELFISH GENE wich leads to the big fish eating the
little fish.

[ComandanteBanana]

On Oct 15, 7:57 pm, thea > wrote:

> One of my older doctors when to England to see how their medicine worked.
> He informed me that I wouldn't be happy with that either. He said it was
> like the people were trying to push their way in for care, and the physician
> was pushing back because he was on his way to play golf.
> So much for Universal Health Care -- but something does have to give in
> America. It costs way to much to have anything done -- the doctors charge
> an arm and a leg just to see you for 15 minutes, and then if you need more
> time - tough!

Well, your doctor caught the wrong plane... He should have gone to
Taiwan. ;)

Health Care in Taiwan
My last foray into international health care systems focused on
Singapore, a tiny island nation whose much-lauded health care system
represents an interesting public-private mix. But there’s another
island, not too far away, that also makes for a compelling case study
in health care -- in this instance through a single-payer system:
Taiwan.

A handful of commentators have already hooked onto the fact that
Taiwan’s health care system provides an instructive example of single-
payer: Merrill Goozner and Ezra Klein both noted a well-written
Congressional Quarterly article on Taiwan’s system earlier this year,
and British analyst Ian Williams writes lauds Taiwanese health care in
the winter 2008 edition of Dissent magazine.

The buzz around Taiwan’s National Health Insurance (NHI) system stems
from the fact that some of its vital stats are stunning, particularly
in comparison to the United States. NHI covers 99 percent of the
Taiwanese population; in the U.S., 15 percent of the population lacks
health insurance. Taiwan spends a mere 6.2 percent of its GDP on
health care; the U.S., 16.3 percent. Administrative costs make up only
1.5 percent of NHI’s budget, while administration accounts for about
7.5 percent of American health care expenditures.

Single-payer critics habitually fret about long wait times, but a 2005
article in the journal International Medical Management (IMM) reports
that wait-times are almost non-existent in Taiwan, and that Taiwanese
doctors cycle through patients speedily enough to “see approximately
50 percent more patients than their counterparts in the U.S. on a
weekly basis.” All in all, Taiwanese are far happier with their health
care system than we Americans are with ours: last year the national
satisfaction rate with health care in Taiwan was 77.5 percent. By way
of contrast, an August Commonwealth Fund poll shows that 82 percent of
Americans think that the U.S. healthcare system should be
fundamentally changed or completely rebuilt.

Admittedly, Taiwan’s single-payer system certainly isn’t all sunshine
and rainbows--but it is instructive for those thinking about how to
best reform the U.S. system.

http://www.healthbeatblog.org/2008/09/health-care-in.html

[[email protected]]

Asians are healthier cuz theyre skinny

On Oct 16, 12:02*pm, ComandanteBanana >
wrote:
> On Oct 15, 7:57 pm, thea > wrote:
>
> > One of my older doctors when to England to see how their medicine worked.
> > He informed me that I wouldn't be happy with that either. *He said it was
> > like the people were trying to push their way in for care, and the physician
> > was pushing back because he was on his way to play golf.
> > So much for Universal Health Care -- but something does have to give in
> > America. *It costs way to much to have anything done -- the doctors charge
> > an arm and a leg just to see you for 15 minutes, and then if you need more
> > time - tough!
>
> Well, your doctor caught the wrong plane... He should have gone to
> Taiwan. ;)
>
> Health Care in Taiwan
> My last foray into international health care systems focused on
> Singapore, a tiny island nation whose much-lauded health care system
> represents an interesting public-private mix. But there’s another
> island, not too far away, that also makes for a compelling case study
> in health care -- in this instance through a single-payer system:
> Taiwan.
>
> A handful of commentators have already hooked onto the fact that
> Taiwan’s health care system provides an instructive example of single-
> payer: Merrill Goozner and Ezra Klein both noted a well-written
> Congressional Quarterly article on Taiwan’s system earlier this year,
> and British analyst Ian Williams writes lauds Taiwanese health care in
> the winter 2008 edition of Dissent magazine.
>
> The buzz around Taiwan’s National Health Insurance (NHI) system stems
> from the fact that some of its vital stats are stunning, particularly
> in comparison to the United States. NHI covers 99 percent of the
> Taiwanese population; in the U.S., 15 percent of the population lacks
> health insurance. Taiwan spends a mere 6.2 percent of its GDP on
> health care; the U.S., 16.3 percent. Administrative costs make up only
> 1.5 percent of NHI’s budget, while administration accounts for about
> 7.5 percent of American health care expenditures.
>
> Single-payer critics habitually fret about long wait times, but a 2005
> article in the journal International Medical Management (IMM) reports
> that wait-times are almost non-existent in Taiwan, and that Taiwanese
> doctors cycle through patients speedily enough to “see approximately
> 50 percent more patients than their counterparts in the U.S. on a
> weekly basis.” All in all, Taiwanese are far happier with their health
> care system than we Americans are with ours: last year the national
> satisfaction rate with health care in Taiwan was 77.5 percent. By way
> of contrast, an August Commonwealth Fund poll shows that 82 percent of
> Americans think that the U.S. healthcare system should be
> fundamentally changed or completely rebuilt.
>
> Admittedly, Taiwan’s single-payer system certainly isn’t all sunshine
> and rainbows--but it is instructive for those thinking about how to
> best reform the U.S. system.
>
> http://www.healthbeatblog.org/2008/09/health-care-in.html

[KingOfTheApes]

On Oct 16, 4:50*pm, wrote:
> Asians are healthier cuz theyre skinny
>
> On Oct 16, 12:02*pm, ComandanteBanana >
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 15, 7:57 pm, thea > wrote:
>
> > > One of my older doctors when to England to see how their medicine worked.
> > > He informed me that I wouldn't be happy with that either. *He said it was
> > > like the people were trying to push their way in for care, and the physician
> > > was pushing back because he was on his way to play golf.
> > > So much for Universal Health Care -- but something does have to give in
> > > America. *It costs way to much to have anything done -- the doctors charge
> > > an arm and a leg just to see you for 15 minutes, and then if you need more
> > > time - tough!
>
> > Well, your doctor caught the wrong plane... He should have gone to
> > Taiwan. ;)
>
> > Health Care in Taiwan
> > My last foray into international health care systems focused on
> > Singapore, a tiny island nation whose much-lauded health care system
> > represents an interesting public-private mix. But there’s another
> > island, not too far away, that also makes for a compelling case study
> > in health care -- in this instance through a single-payer system:
> > Taiwan.
>
> > A handful of commentators have already hooked onto the fact that
> > Taiwan’s health care system provides an instructive example of single-
> > payer: Merrill Goozner and Ezra Klein both noted a well-written
> > Congressional Quarterly article on Taiwan’s system earlier this year,
> > and British analyst Ian Williams writes lauds Taiwanese health care in
> > the winter 2008 edition of Dissent magazine.
>
> > The buzz around Taiwan’s National Health Insurance (NHI) system stems
> > from the fact that some of its vital stats are stunning, particularly
> > in comparison to the United States. NHI covers 99 percent of the
> > Taiwanese population; in the U.S., 15 percent of the population lacks
> > health insurance. Taiwan spends a mere 6.2 percent of its GDP on
> > health care; the U.S., 16.3 percent. Administrative costs make up only
> > 1.5 percent of NHI’s budget, while administration accounts for about
> > 7.5 percent of American health care expenditures.
>
> > Single-payer critics habitually fret about long wait times, but a 2005
> > article in the journal International Medical Management (IMM) reports
> > that wait-times are almost non-existent in Taiwan, and that Taiwanese
> > doctors cycle through patients speedily enough to “see approximately
> > 50 percent more patients than their counterparts in the U.S. on a
> > weekly basis.” All in all, Taiwanese are far happier with their health
> > care system than we Americans are with ours: last year the national
> > satisfaction rate with health care in Taiwan was 77.5 percent. By way
> > of contrast, an August Commonwealth Fund poll shows that 82 percent of
> > Americans think that the U.S. healthcare system should be
> > fundamentally changed or completely rebuilt.
>
> > Admittedly, Taiwan’s single-payer system certainly isn’t all sunshine
> > and rainbows--but it is instructive for those thinking about how to
> > best reform the U.S. system.
>
> >http://www.healthbeatblog.org/2008/09/health-care-in.html- Hide quoted text -
>
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And they also may be smarter. At least in Taiwan they ride fun,
thrifty scooters.

[Tom Sherman[_2_]]

KingOfTheApes wrote:
> On Oct 16, 4:50 pm, wrote:
>> Asians are healthier cuz theyre skinny
>>
> And they also may be smarter. At least in Taiwan they ride fun,
> thrifty scooters.

Try riding a motor scooter in the cold and snow. One needs to pedal the
cycle to keep warm in winter.

--
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
If you are not a part of the solution, you are a part of the precipitate.

[ComandanteBanana]

On Oct 18, 8:51*pm, Tom Sherman >
wrote:
> KingOfTheApes wrote:
> > On Oct 16, 4:50 pm, wrote:
> >> Asians are healthier cuz theyre skinny
>
> > And they also may be smarter. At least in Taiwan they ride fun,
> > thrifty scooters.
>
> Try riding a motor scooter in the cold and snow. One needs to pedal the
> cycle to keep warm in winter.
>

Having fun 6 months a year is better than ever having any fun at all.

Some scooting is nice in the summer time.

[ComandanteBanana]

On Oct 18, 2:35 pm, Chris > wrote:
> you didn't answer the question (that I posed indirectly) - should it
> be up to some bureaucrat to decide how many procedures a doctor can
> perform in a given time period, which could lessen your ability to
> receive required treatment?
> If you're not going to answer, simply refrain from Bolshevik-style
> anti-capitalist jargon. Comrade.

Nyet (pardon my Russian), no bureaucracy (America is still #1 when it
comes to administrative costs), but no people being denied healthcare
either, or such that they have to fill out so much paperwork, that
they rather die without attention.

Obama mentions PREVENTION (not that I trust him) and that comes from
having, among things, the opportunity to ride a bike in safety,
something very rear in America. But, of course, the revolution offers
that and more...

PRACTICAL SOLUTIONS
http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote1

[KingOfTheApes]

Hey Mr McCain/Obama, now that we know about Joe Plumber, HOW ABOUT JOE
BIKER? Yeah, that one that can't afford a car, let alone gas and
insurance, and who simply wants to ride a bicycle to help himself and
the environment?

He's not anywhere in your pretty speeches, even though he could be the
first step toward PREVENTIVE MEDICINE and POLLUTION PAINS...

I sincerely think both of you are feeding the pipe dream... ;)