Should we make people pass a cycling/motorcycle test before a drivingtest?

[ComandanteBanana]

Case in point is how we should make people pass a cycling/motorcycle
test and if they fail that test they won't have a chance with the
driving test! Why? Because it's better to knock a few cones with a
bicycle, than with a car, where those cones are bound to be cyclists
or pedestrians in real life.

Simply some people should not be driving!


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
WHY THE BANANA REVOLUTION?
(reason #103: because bananas will never be biofuel for cars!)

http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution

[Tom Sherman[_2_]]

ComandanteBanana wrote:
> Case in point is how we should make people pass a cycling/motorcycle
> test and if they fail that test they won't have a chance with the
> driving test! Why? Because it's better to knock a few cones with a
> bicycle, than with a car, where those cones are bound to be cyclists
> or pedestrians in real life.
>
How about needing to pass a test and get licensed to post to Usenet?

> Simply some people should not be driving!
>
Simply, some people should not be posting to Usenet.

--
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
If you are not a part of the solution, you are a part of the precipitate.

[Tom Keats]

In article >,
Tom Sherman > writes:
> ComandanteBanana wrote:
>> Case in point is how we should make people pass a cycling/motorcycle
>> test and if they fail that test they won't have a chance with the
>> driving test! Why? Because it's better to knock a few cones with a
>> bicycle, than with a car, where those cones are bound to be cyclists
>> or pedestrians in real life.
>>
> How about needing to pass a test and get licensed to post to Usenet?
>
>> Simply some people should not be driving!
>>
> Simply, some people should not be posting to Usenet.

Au contraire, mon frere! The freedoms we have left
/must/ be kept open. As wuzzhisname once paraphrasedly
said: "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll
defend to the death your right to say it."

That's what makes our Western culture so much more
progressive than those Old World cultures that get
a collective hair up their collective ass about
newspaper cartoons depicting Muhammet, and books by
Salman Rushdie et al.

So I see Banana Boy is now resorting to the ancient,
wearisome, cyclists-should-be-licensed argument.
That car-drivers' anti-bicycle canard is over a
century old. You'd think people would get a clue
by now.

At least we're free to rebut.

Without getting decapitated. Just investigated ;-)

And that's what's better about Western/New World society.


cheers,
Tom
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[[email protected]]

On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:03:00 -0700 (PDT)
ComandanteBanana > wrote:

> Case in point is how we should make people pass a cycling/motorcycle
> test and if they fail that test they won't have a chance with the
> driving test! Why? Because it's better to knock a few cones with a
> bicycle, than with a car, where those cones are bound to be cyclists
> or pedestrians in real life.
>
I've been riding bicycles since I was about 4 and motorcycles since I
was about 10, but I keep crashing my car into other cars because it
won't fit through gaps - I reckon I should drive trucks for a while.

[S'mee]

On Oct 10, 4:03*pm, ComandanteBanana >
wrote:
> Case in point is how we should make people pass a cycling/motorcycle
> test and if they fail that test they won't have a chance with the
> driving test! Why? Because it's better to knock a few cones with a
> bicycle, than with a car, where those cones are bound to be cyclists
> or pedestrians in real life.

Yeah and? You are stating the obvious...tha's why the unwashed masses
wont go for it.

> Simply some people should not be driving!

Thankyou Cpt. Obvious.

[S'mee]

On Oct 10, 8:43*pm, (Tom Keats) wrote:
> In article >,
> * * * * Tom Sherman > writes:
>
> > ComandanteBanana wrote:
> >> Case in point is how we should make people pass a cycling/motorcycle
> >> test and if they fail that test they won't have a chance with the
> >> driving test! Why? Because it's better to knock a few cones with a
> >> bicycle, than with a car, where those cones are bound to be cyclists
> >> or pedestrians in real life.
>
> > How about needing to pass a test and get licensed to post to Usenet?
>
> >> Simply some people should not be driving!
>
> > Simply, some people should not be posting to Usenet.
>
> Au contraire, mon frere! *The freedoms we have left
> /must/ be kept open. *As wuzzhisname once paraphrasedly
> said: "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll
> defend to the death your right to say it."
>
> That's what makes our Western culture so much more
> progressive than those Old World cultures that get
> a collective hair up their collective ass about
> newspaper cartoons depicting Muhammet, and books by
> Salman Rushdie et al.
>
> So I see Banana Boy is now resorting to the ancient,
> wearisome, cyclists-should-be-licensed argument.
> That car-drivers' anti-bicycle canard is over a
> century old. *You'd think people would get a clue
> by now.

Uh you obviously FAILED at both critical reading and thinking. He said
if you can't ride a bicycle(pushbike in barbarian lands) or ride a
motorcycle you shouldn't be aloud to drive anything at all...not a bad
idea too bad I thought of it back when I started riding back in '76.

> At least we're free to rebut.
>
> Without getting decapitated. *Just investigated *;-)

Water boarded, violated (just searching for contraband comrad)

> And that's what's better about Western/New World society.

I thought it was the beer and single malt whiskeys. mmm, single malt,
mmm hic.
--
Keith

[Tom Keats]

In article >,
"S'mee" > writes:

> Uh you obviously FAILED at both critical reading and thinking. He said
> if you can't ride a bicycle(pushbike in barbarian lands) or ride a
> motorcycle you shouldn't be aloud to drive anything at all...not a bad
^^^^^

Go back to bed.

> idea too bad I thought of it back when I started riding back in '76.

Good for you.

>> At least we're free to rebut.
>>
>> Without getting decapitated. *Just investigated *;-)
> Water boarded, violated (just searching for contraband comrad)
>> And that's what's better about Western/New World society.
> I thought it was the beer and single malt whiskeys. mmm, single malt,
> mmm hic.

Go back to bed.

Maybe have a tomato juice in the morning.


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[Tom Sherman[_2_]]

Tom Keats wrote:
> In article >,
> Tom Sherman > writes:
>> ComandanteBanana wrote:
>>> Case in point is how we should make people pass a cycling/motorcycle
>>> test and if they fail that test they won't have a chance with the
>>> driving test! Why? Because it's better to knock a few cones with a
>>> bicycle, than with a car, where those cones are bound to be cyclists
>>> or pedestrians in real life.
>>>
>> How about needing to pass a test and get licensed to post to Usenet?
>>
>>> Simply some people should not be driving!
>>>
>> Simply, some people should not be posting to Usenet.
>
> Au contraire, mon frere! The freedoms we have left
> /must/ be kept open. As wuzzhisname once paraphrasedly
> said: "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll
> defend to the death your right to say it."
> [...]

This was a hint, not an advocation for newsgroup moderation.

--
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
If you are not a part of the solution, you are a part of the precipitate.

[BrianNZ]

wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:03:00 -0700 (PDT)
> ComandanteBanana > wrote:
>
>> Case in point is how we should make people pass a cycling/motorcycle
>> test and if they fail that test they won't have a chance with the
>> driving test! Why? Because it's better to knock a few cones with a
>> bicycle, than with a car, where those cones are bound to be cyclists
>> or pedestrians in real life.
>>
> I've been riding bicycles since I was about 4 and motorcycles since I
> was about 10, but I keep crashing my car into other cars because it
> won't fit through gaps - I reckon I should drive trucks for a while.
>


LOL....Thats the attitude! More speed before the gaps helps......

[Tom Keats]

In article >,
Tom Sherman > writes:

>>> Simply, some people should not be posting to Usenet.
>>
>> Au contraire, mon frere! The freedoms we have left
>> /must/ be kept open. As wuzzhisname once paraphrasedly
>> said: "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll
>> defend to the death your right to say it."
>> [...]
>
> This was a hint, not an advocation for newsgroup moderation.

No, that was more than a hint. I'm pretty tired of
his blather too. But y'know what? He's like those
stoopid false teeth things that ya wind up, and they
chatter across a tabletop for a while, and it's
supposed to be amusing, but it isn't because it's
so old. That's what CommandanteBanana _is_. That's
/all/ he is, and all he ever will be -- an annoying
kibbitzer with nothing meaningful or useful to say.

Annoying houseflies you can swat. But annoying
kibbitzers? <shrug> The only way to get rid of them
is to direct them toward something else they can pester
even worse.


cheers,
Tom

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I'm really at:
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[Mike A Schwab]

On Oct 10, 6:03*pm, ComandanteBanana >
wrote:
> Case in point is how we should make people pass a cycling/motorcycle
> test and if they fail that test they won't have a chance with the
> driving test! Why? Because it's better to knock a few cones with a
> bicycle, than with a car, where those cones are bound to be cyclists
> or pedestrians in real life.
>
> Simply some people should not be driving!
>
I would say a bicycling test once a year in grades 3-10 ages 8-16,
call it pre-drivers education. Then when you are old enough to get a
car drivers license, you just need to learn about cars, you already
know the rules of the road.

[Tom Keats]

In article >,
Mike A Schwab > writes:
> On Oct 10, 6:03*pm, ComandanteBanana >
> wrote:
>> Case in point is how we should make people pass a cycling/motorcycle
>> test and if they fail that test they won't have a chance with the
>> driving test! Why? Because it's better to knock a few cones with a
>> bicycle, than with a car, where those cones are bound to be cyclists
>> or pedestrians in real life.
>>
>> Simply some people should not be driving!
>>
> I would say a bicycling test once a year in grades 3-10 ages 8-16,
> call it pre-drivers education. Then when you are old enough to get a
> car drivers license, you just need to learn about cars, you already
> know the rules of the road.

If you're proceeding in a straight line along a highway,
you have the right to expect nobody will obtrusively
interfere with your line of travel (your ROW.) But they
might, so watch out.

Slower traffic keeps to the right (North America,) allowing
faster traffic to pass on the left.

Unlit intersections are dealt with on a first-come/first
served basis -- if a vehicle or bicycle operator is already
in the intersection, they should be ceded ROW. When crossing
vehicles simultaneously arrive at an intersection, the leftward
vehicle cedes ROW to the rightward vehicle.

When opposing vehicles meet at an intersection and one is going
straight through while the other is making a left turn, the
left-turner should cede ROW to the straight-through vehicle.

These are the rules of the road I learned at age 7.

Since then, i learned that when you're riding your bike on
the streets & roads you can be as law-abiding as all get-out,
and you won't get credit for being some kind of traffic saint.

There are no traffic saints.

So there are no holds barred.


cheers,
Tom

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[Peter Cole[_2_]]

Tom Keats wrote:

> That's what makes our Western culture so much more
> progressive than those Old World cultures that get
> a collective hair up their collective ass about
> newspaper cartoons depicting Muhammet, and books by
> Salman Rushdie et al.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/****_Christ

[S'mee]

On Oct 10, 9:30*pm, (Tom Keats) wrote:
> In article >,
> * * * * "S'mee" > writes:
>
> > Uh you obviously FAILED at both critical reading and thinking. He said
> > if you can't ride a bicycle(pushbike in barbarian lands) or ride a
> > motorcycle you shouldn't be aloud to drive anything at all...not a bad
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ^^^^^
>
> Go back to bed.

Sleep is for the weak and my spelling is notorious. 8^/

> > idea too bad I thought of it back when I started riding back in '76.
>
> Good for you.

Yabbut nobody listens to the ideas of a kid.

> >> At least we're free to rebut.
>
> >> Without getting decapitated. *Just investigated *;-)
> > Water boarded, violated (just searching for contraband comrad)
> >> And that's what's better about Western/New World society.
> > I thought it was the beer and single malt whiskeys. mmm, single malt,
> > mmm hic.
>
> Go back to bed.

I was still up from a nice 6am start that day.

> Maybe have a tomato juice in the morning.

Why I've coffee, a piece of tail and no hangover...some of us are
responsible. Unlike over half of america.

[S'mee]

On Oct 11, 8:06*am, Peter Cole > wrote:
> Tom Keats wrote:
> > That's what makes our Western culture so much more
> > progressive than those Old World cultures that get
> > a collective hair up their collective ass about
> > newspaper cartoons depicting Muhammet, and books by
> > Salman Rushdie et al.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/****_Christ

You mean people still belong to those cults? DAMN! My hero was right
"there is a sucker born every second"
p.s. that's not modern art...that is dada
--
Keith

[Road Glidin' Don[_2_]]

On Oct 10, 4:03*pm, ComandanteBanana >
wrote:
> Case in point is how we should make people pass a cycling/motorcycle
> test and if they fail that test they won't have a chance with the
> driving test! Why? Because it's better to knock a few cones with a
> bicycle, than with a car, where those cones are bound to be cyclists
> or pedestrians in real life.
>
> Simply some people should not be driving!
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------*-----
> WHY THE BANANA REVOLUTION?
> (reason #103: because bananas will never be biofuel for cars!)
>
> http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution

Oh, it's the ****ing idiot again. Take your cross-posting ****
elsewhere.

[Tim McNamara]

In article
>,
"Road Glidin' Don" > wrote:

> On Oct 10, 4:03*pm, ComandanteBanana >
> wrote:
> > Case in point is how we should make people pass a
> > cycling/motorcycle test and if they fail that test they won't have
> > a chance with the driving test! Why? Because it's better to knock a
> > few cones with a bicycle, than with a car, where those cones are
> > bound to be cyclists or pedestrians in real life.
> >
> > Simply some people should not be driving!
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > -------* ----- WHY THE BANANA REVOLUTION? (reason #103: because
> > bananas will never be biofuel for cars!)
> >
> > http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution
>
> Oh, it's the ****ing idiot again. Take your cross-posting ****
> elsewhere.

I only see posts form this idiot when someone responds to him (like
you). Put him in your killfile, life is much too short to waste telling
trolls to shut up.

[Road Glidin' Don]

On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:41:48 -0500, Tim McNamara
> wrote:

>In article
>,
> "Road Glidin' Don" > wrote:
>
>> On Oct 10, 4:03*pm, ComandanteBanana >
>> wrote:
>> > Case in point is how we should make people pass a
>> > cycling/motorcycle test and if they fail that test they won't have
>> > a chance with the driving test! Why? Because it's better to knock a
>> > few cones with a bicycle, than with a car, where those cones are
>> > bound to be cyclists or pedestrians in real life.
>> >
>> > Simply some people should not be driving!
>> >
>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > -------* ----- WHY THE BANANA REVOLUTION? (reason #103: because
>> > bananas will never be biofuel for cars!)
>> >
>> > http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution
>>
>> Oh, it's the ****ing idiot again. Take your cross-posting ****
>> elsewhere.
>
>I only see posts form this idiot when someone responds to him (like
>you). Put him in your killfile, life is much too short to waste telling
>trolls to shut up.

**** off and follow your own advice.

[Tom Keats]

In article >,
Peter Cole > writes:
> Tom Keats wrote:
>
>> That's what makes our Western culture so much more
>> progressive than those Old World cultures that get
>> a collective hair up their collective ass about
>> newspaper cartoons depicting Muhammet, and books by
>> Salman Rushdie et al.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/****_Christ

And then there's Chaim Potok and his "Asher Lev."

Heh. I guess my own knee-jerk reactions to the
notion that bicyclists should be licensed/restricted
is akin to other people's reactions to their own
belief-systems/world-views being dis'd.

It sure is hard to not be an hyprocrite in some way
or other. And realizing ~that~ is pretty humbling.

But it's still worthless, pointless and just plain wrong
to inflict licenses and further restrictions upon
bicycle riders. Not just because operating a bicycle is
so different from operating a motor vehicle, but because
we humans need elbow room, breathing space and freedom.
We have to keep the walls from closing in on us.

You know what I mean, and I'm not telling you or anyone
anything you don't already know.

I just /have/ to rebut the idea that bicycling should
be restricted or proscribed.


cheers,
Tom


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[Halmyre]

In article >, says...
> "ComandanteBanana" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Case in point is how we should make people pass a cycling/motorcycle
> > test and if they fail that test they won't have a chance with the
> > driving test! Why? Because it's better to knock a few cones with a
> > bicycle, than with a car, where those cones are bound to be cyclists
> > or pedestrians in real life.
> >
> > Simply some people should not be driving!
>
>
> uk.rec.driving
>
> meet the obsessed, militant footsoldiers you share the road with.
>
> I think you all need to talk this through
>
>
>

Trouble is, there's no such thing as a cycling test, which is blatantly
obvious when you observe the behaviour of cyclists.

--
Halmyre

That's you that is.

[[email protected]]

On Oct 11, 12:23*am, Mike A Schwab > wrote:
> On Oct 10, 6:03*pm, ComandanteBanana >
> wrote:> Case in point is how we should make people pass a cycling/motorcycle
> > test and if they fail that test they won't have a chance with the
> > driving test! Why? Because it's better to knock a few cones with a
> > bicycle, than with a car, where those cones are bound to be cyclists
> > or pedestrians in real life.
>
> > Simply some people should not be driving!
>
> I would say a bicycling test once a year in grades 3-10 ages 8-16,
> call it pre-drivers education. *Then when you are old enough to get a
> car drivers license, you just need to learn about cars, you already
> know the rules of the road.

By the way, http://www.bikelib.org/ has a good 2007 rules of the road
video, free to watch or burn to CD.
A 1963 movie is on http://www.youtube.com/ and seach for 'One Got
Fat'.

[Jym Dyer]

[Removed from rec.bicycles.rides where this was NEVER on-topic.]

=v= The potential and actual damages of bicycles don't come
anywhere near those of motorized vehicles. It's simply not
worth the price of the bureaucracy involved.

=v= If the world's most repressive regimes can get by without
demanding licensing of bicyclists, I think free countries could
somehow manage to muddle through without it as well.
<_Jym_>

[Peter Hucker]

On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 19:15:35 +0100, Jym Dyer > wrote:

> [Removed from rec.bicycles.rides where this was NEVER on-topic.]

And removed from others too. Only trolls use the followup header.

[plonk]

> =v= The potential and actual damages of bicycles don't come
> anywhere near those of motorized vehicles. It's simply not
> worth the price of the bureaucracy involved.
>
> =v= If the world's most repressive regimes can get by without
> demanding licensing of bicyclists, I think free countries could
> somehow manage to muddle through without it as well.
> <_Jym_>
>
>



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[Jym Dyer]

> Trouble is, there's no such thing as a cycling test, which is
> blatantly obvious when you observe the behaviour of cyclists.

=v= I suppose that if we were to undergo testing then we could
then aspire to the sterling achievements of motorists, who kill
and maim far greater numbers of people and destroy communities
and ecosystems far more effectively than bicyclists do.
<_Jym_>

[Eeyore]

Halmyre wrote:

> Trouble is, there's no such thing as a cycling test, which is blatantly
> obvious when you observe the behaviour of cyclists.

I think you mean misbehaviour.

Graham

[Halmyre]

In article >, says...
> > Trouble is, there's no such thing as a cycling test, which is
> > blatantly obvious when you observe the behaviour of cyclists.
>
> =v= I suppose that if we were to undergo testing then we could
> then aspire to the sterling achievements of motorists, who kill
> and maim far greater numbers of people and destroy communities
> and ecosystems far more effectively than bicyclists do.
> <_Jym_>
>
>

Try as I might, I can't think of one single community or ecosystem that I've
destroyed. Please provide more details, I could do with a laugh.

--
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That's you that is.

[BOFH]

> [Removed from rec.bicycles.rides where this was NEVER on-topic.]

With that sig file, you have a nerve...are you GOD ;-)

[alan.holmes]

"BOFH" > wrote in message
...
> "ComandanteBanana" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Case in point is how we should make people pass a cycling/motorcycle
>> test and if they fail that test they won't have a chance with the
>> driving test! Why? Because it's better to knock a few cones with a
>> bicycle, than with a car, where those cones are bound to be cyclists
>> or pedestrians in real life.
>>
>> Simply some people should not be driving!
>
>
> uk.rec.driving
>
> meet the obsessed, militant footsoldiers you share the road with.
>
> I think you all need to talk this through

ALL car drivers shold have to ride a cycle for at least a year on the road
every day before getting a driving licence for a car.

Alan

>
>

[alan.holmes]

"BOFH" > wrote in message
...
> "ComandanteBanana" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Case in point is how we should make people pass a cycling/motorcycle
>> test and if they fail that test they won't have a chance with the
>> driving test! Why? Because it's better to knock a few cones with a
>> bicycle, than with a car, where those cones are bound to be cyclists
>> or pedestrians in real life.
>>
>> Simply some people should not be driving!
>
>
> uk.rec.driving
>
> meet the obsessed, militant footsoldiers you share the road with.
>
> I think you all need to talk this through

ALL car drivers shold have to ride a cycle for at least a year on the road
every day before getting a driving licence for a car.

Alan

>
>

[ComandanteBanana]

On Oct 10, 10:20*pm, Tom Sherman >
wrote:
> ComandanteBanana wrote:
> > Case in point is how we should make people pass a cycling/motorcycle
> > test and if they fail that test they won't have a chance with the
> > driving test! Why? Because it's better to knock a few cones with a
> > bicycle, than with a car, where those cones are bound to be cyclists
> > or pedestrians in real life.
>
> How about needing to pass a test and get licensed to post to Usenet?
>
> > Simply some people should not be driving!
>
> Simply, some people should not be posting to Usenet.
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
> If you are not a part of the solution, you are a part of the precipitate.

My Internet License #1,030,155 is in order until 2015 or until the
revolution is completed, whichever comes first.

[ComandanteBanana]

On Oct 10, 10:47*pm, wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:03:00 -0700 (PDT)
>
> ComandanteBanana > wrote:
> > Case in point is how we should make people pass a cycling/motorcycle
> > test and if they fail that test they won't have a chance with the
> > driving test! Why? Because it's better to knock a few cones with a
> > bicycle, than with a car, where those cones are bound to be cyclists
> > or pedestrians in real life.
>
> I've been riding bicycles since I was about 4 and motorcycles since I
> was about 10, but I keep crashing my car into other cars because it
> won't fit through gaps - I reckon I should drive trucks for a while.

Have you tried SUVs? They brave their way around, even when they are
busy on the phone.

[ComandanteBanana]

On Oct 10, 10:43*pm, (Tom Keats) wrote:
> In article >,
> * * * * Tom Sherman > writes:
>
> > ComandanteBanana wrote:
> >> Case in point is how we should make people pass a cycling/motorcycle
> >> test and if they fail that test they won't have a chance with the
> >> driving test! Why? Because it's better to knock a few cones with a
> >> bicycle, than with a car, where those cones are bound to be cyclists
> >> or pedestrians in real life.
>
> > How about needing to pass a test and get licensed to post to Usenet?
>
> >> Simply some people should not be driving!
>
> > Simply, some people should not be posting to Usenet.
>
> Au contraire, mon frere! *The freedoms we have left
> /must/ be kept open. *As wuzzhisname once paraphrasedly
> said: "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll
> defend to the death your right to say it."
>
> That's what makes our Western culture so much more
> progressive than those Old World cultures that get
> a collective hair up their collective ass about
> newspaper cartoons depicting Muhammet, and books by
> Salman Rushdie et al.
>
> So I see Banana Boy is now resorting to the ancient,
> wearisome, cyclists-should-be-licensed argument.
> That car-drivers' anti-bicycle canard is over a
> century old. *You'd think people would get a clue
> by now.
>
> At least we're free to rebut.
>
> Without getting decapitated. *Just investigated *;-)
>
> And that's what's better about Western/New World society.

Yeah, your culture is simply much more open than Muslim culture as
witnessed in the Middle East under those regimes supported by the West
because it simply gets good deals.

But in light of some tendencies witnessed in the last few years, we
may soon be there.

[ComandanteBanana]

On Oct 10, 10:43 pm, (Tom Keats) wrote:
> In article >,
> Tom Sherman > writes:
>
> > ComandanteBanana wrote:
> >> Case in point is how we should make people pass a cycling/motorcycle
> >> test and if they fail that test they won't have a chance with the
> >> driving test! Why? Because it's better to knock a few cones with a
> >> bicycle, than with a car, where those cones are bound to be cyclists
> >> or pedestrians in real life.
>
> > How about needing to pass a test and get licensed to post to Usenet?
>
> >> Simply some people should not be driving!
>
> > Simply, some people should not be posting to Usenet.
>
> Au contraire, mon frere! The freedoms we have left
> /must/ be kept open. As wuzzhisname once paraphrasedly
> said: "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll
> defend to the death your right to say it."
>
> That's what makes our Western culture so much more
> progressive than those Old World cultures that get
> a collective hair up their collective ass about
> newspaper cartoons depicting Muhammet, and books by
> Salman Rushdie et al.
>
> So I see Banana Boy is now resorting to the ancient,
> wearisome, cyclists-should-be-licensed argument.
> That car-drivers' anti-bicycle canard is over a
> century old. You'd think people would get a clue
> by now.
>
> At least we're free to rebut.
>
> Without getting decapitated. Just investigated ;-)
>
> And that's what's better about Western/New World society.

Yeah, our culture is simply much more open than Muslim culture as
witnessed in the Middle East under those regimes supported by the West
because it simply gets good deals.

But in light of some tendencies common in the last few years, we may
soon be there.

[ComandanteBanana]

On Oct 10, 11:57 pm, (Tom Keats) wrote:
> In article >,
> Tom Sherman > writes:
>
> >>> Simply, some people should not be posting to Usenet.
>
> >> Au contraire, mon frere! The freedoms we have left
> >> /must/ be kept open. As wuzzhisname once paraphrasedly
> >> said: "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll
> >> defend to the death your right to say it."
> >> [...]
>
> > This was a hint, not an advocation for newsgroup moderation.
>
> No, that was more than a hint. I'm pretty tired of
> his blather too. But y'know what? He's like those
> stoopid false teeth things that ya wind up, and they
> chatter across a tabletop for a while, and it's
> supposed to be amusing, but it isn't because it's
> so old. That's what CommandanteBanana _is_. That's
> /all/ he is, and all he ever will be -- an annoying
> kibbitzer with nothing meaningful or useful to say.
>
> Annoying houseflies you can swat. But annoying
> kibbitzers? <shrug> The only way to get rid of them
> is to direct them toward something else they can pester
> even worse.
>

Imagine how boring life would be with the usual news. Terrorism,
financial crisis, SUV commercials, and the 2008 elections...

That's why we are here, right? ;)

[ComandanteBanana]

On Oct 10, 11:12*pm, "S'mee" > wrote:
> On Oct 10, 4:03*pm, ComandanteBanana >
> wrote:
>
> > Case in point is how we should make people pass a cycling/motorcycle
> > test and if they fail that test they won't have a chance with the
> > driving test! Why? Because it's better to knock a few cones with a
> > bicycle, than with a car, where those cones are bound to be cyclists
> > or pedestrians in real life.
>
> Yeah and? You are stating the obvious...tha's why the unwashed masses
> wont go for it.
>
> > Simply some people should not be driving!
>
> Thankyou Cpt. Obvious.

"It's important to push for the obvious, because they push for the
things that make a profit, and that's obviously stupid."

-Great Thoughts by Comandante Banana

[ComandanteBanana]

On Oct 11, 12:23*am, Mike A Schwab > wrote:
> On Oct 10, 6:03*pm, ComandanteBanana >
> wrote:> Case in point is how we should make people pass a cycling/motorcycle
> > test and if they fail that test they won't have a chance with the
> > driving test! Why? Because it's better to knock a few cones with a
> > bicycle, than with a car, where those cones are bound to be cyclists
> > or pedestrians in real life.
>
> > Simply some people should not be driving!
>
> I would say a bicycling test once a year in grades 3-10 ages 8-16,
> call it pre-drivers education. *Then when you are old enough to get a
> car drivers license, you just need to learn about cars, you already
> know the rules of the road.

Yeah, and you'd learn the rules, not from the viewpoint of the
predator (car, SUV), but the viewpoint of the prey (bicycle,
motorcycle).

[ComandanteBanana]

On Oct 11, 1:00*am, (Tom Keats) wrote:
> In article >,
> * * * * Mike A Schwab > writes:
>
> > On Oct 10, 6:03*pm, ComandanteBanana >
> > wrote:
> >> Case in point is how we should make people pass a cycling/motorcycle
> >> test and if they fail that test they won't have a chance with the
> >> driving test! Why? Because it's better to knock a few cones with a
> >> bicycle, than with a car, where those cones are bound to be cyclists
> >> or pedestrians in real life.
>
> >> Simply some people should not be driving!
>
> > I would say a bicycling test once a year in grades 3-10 ages 8-16,
> > call it pre-drivers education. *Then when you are old enough to get a
> > car drivers license, you just need to learn about cars, you already
> > know the rules of the road.
>
> If you're proceeding in a straight line along a highway,
> you have the right to expect nobody will obtrusively
> interfere with your line of travel (your ROW.) *But they
> might, so watch out.
>
> Slower traffic keeps to the right (North America,) allowing
> faster traffic to pass on the left.
..
>
> These are the rules of the road I learned at age 7.

Then at age 21 you learn the only law out there is the law of physics,
ie. the big vehicles bullies the little one.

[ComandanteBanana]

On Oct 11, 10:06*am, Peter Cole > wrote:
> Tom Keats wrote:
> > That's what makes our Western culture so much more
> > progressive than those Old World cultures that get
> > a collective hair up their collective ass about
> > newspaper cartoons depicting Muhammet, and books by
> > Salman Rushdie et al.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/****_Christ

Western Culture has advanced quite a bit in the last four centuries.
But still insists in the obscure worship of some semi-naked guy that
wouldn't have survived for long in our cities.

Unless he went to a homeless shelter.

[ComandanteBanana]

On Oct 11, 11:29*am, "S'mee" > wrote:
> On Oct 10, 9:30*pm, (Tom Keats) wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > * * * * "S'mee" > writes:
>
> > > Uh you obviously FAILED at both critical reading and thinking. He said
> > > if you can't ride a bicycle(pushbike in barbarian lands) or ride a
> > > motorcycle you shouldn't be aloud to drive anything at all...not a bad
>
> > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ^^^^^
>
> > Go back to bed.
>
> Sleep is for the weak and my spelling is notorious. 8^/
>
> > > idea too bad I thought of it back when I started riding back in '76.
>
> > Good for you.
>
> Yabbut nobody listens to the ideas of a kid.
>
> > >> At least we're free to rebut.
>
> > >> Without getting decapitated. *Just investigated *;-)
> > > Water boarded, violated (just searching for contraband comrad)
> > >> And that's what's better about Western/New World society.
> > > I thought it was the beer and single malt whiskeys. mmm, single malt,
> > > mmm hic.
>
> > Go back to bed.
>
> I was still up from a nice 6am start that day.
>
> > Maybe have a tomato juice in the morning.
>
> Why I've coffee, a piece of tail and no hangover...some of us are
> responsible. Unlike over half of america.

The ones voting the same old ****, or the ones voting for the new ****?

[ComandanteBanana]

On Oct 11, 5:41 pm, Tim McNamara > wrote:
> In article
> >,
> "Road Glidin' Don" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 10, 4:03 pm, ComandanteBanana >
> > wrote:
> > > Case in point is how we should make people pass a
> > > cycling/motorcycle test and if they fail that test they won't have
> > > a chance with the driving test! Why? Because it's better to knock a
> > > few cones with a bicycle, than with a car, where those cones are
> > > bound to be cyclists or pedestrians in real life.
>
> > > Simply some people should not be driving!
>
> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > -------* ----- WHY THE BANANA REVOLUTION? (reason #103: because
> > > bananas will never be biofuel for cars!)
>
> > >http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution
>
> > Oh, it's the ****ing idiot again. Take your cross-posting ****
> > elsewhere.
>
> I only see posts form this idiot when someone responds to him (like
> you). Put him in your killfile, life is much too short to waste telling
> trolls to shut up.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

You should go and listen to the presidential debates. Or perhaps Tom
and Jerry, which are quite fun, but never dangerous.

[ComandanteBanana]

On Oct 12, 4:55*am, (Tom Keats) wrote:
> In article >,
> * * * * Peter Cole > writes:
>
> > Tom Keats wrote:
>
> >> That's what makes our Western culture so much more
> >> progressive than those Old World cultures that get
> >> a collective hair up their collective ass about
> >> newspaper cartoons depicting Muhammet, and books by
> >> Salman Rushdie et al.
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/****_Christ
>
> And then there's Chaim Potok and his "Asher Lev."
>
> Heh. *I guess my own knee-jerk reactions to the
> notion that bicyclists should be licensed/restricted
> is akin to other people's reactions to their own
> belief-systems/world-views being dis'd.
>
> It sure is hard to not be an hyprocrite in some way
> or other. *And realizing ~that~ is pretty humbling.
>
> But it's still worthless, pointless and just plain wrong
> to inflict licenses and further restrictions upon
> bicycle riders. *Not just because operating a bicycle is
> so different from operating a motor vehicle, but because
> we humans need elbow room, breathing space and freedom.
> We have to keep the walls from closing in on us.
>
> You know what I mean, and I'm not telling you or anyone
> anything you don't already know.
>
> I just /have/ to rebut the idea that bicycling should
> be restricted or proscribed.

You are putting the name of Canada to shame. I've never said that. I
said, before you inflict great pain upon the world, you should learn
how fall from a bicycle safely.

Some people just learn the hard way.

[ComandanteBanana]

On Oct 12, 6:27 am, "Road_Hog" > wrote:
> "BOFH" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "ComandanteBanana" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> Case in point is how we should make people pass a cycling/motorcycle
> >> test and if they fail that test they won't have a chance with the
> >> driving test! Why? Because it's better to knock a few cones with a
> >> bicycle, than with a car, where those cones are bound to be cyclists
> >> or pedestrians in real life.
>
> >> Simply some people should not be driving!
>
> > uk.rec.driving
>
> > meet the obsessed, militant footsoldiers you share the road with.
>
> > I think you all need to talk this through
>
> All cyclists should be shot on site, except the lycra wearing ones, who
> should be hung, drawn and quartered.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

These would be spared, right?

http://www.phatcycles.com/soon.htm

The lady is cute, but the bicycle looks like a stupid motorcycle. ;)

[ComandanteBanana]

On Oct 12, 7:02 am, Halmyre > wrote:
> In article >, says...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "ComandanteBanana" > wrote in message
> ...
> > > Case in point is how we should make people pass a cycling/motorcycle
> > > test and if they fail that test they won't have a chance with the
> > > driving test! Why? Because it's better to knock a few cones with a
> > > bicycle, than with a car, where those cones are bound to be cyclists
> > > or pedestrians in real life.
>
> > > Simply some people should not be driving!
>
> > uk.rec.driving
>
> > meet the obsessed, militant footsoldiers you share the road with.
>
> > I think you all need to talk this through
>
> Trouble is, there's no such thing as a cycling test, which is blatantly
> obvious when you observe the behaviour of cyclists.

I think cyclists are left anarchists by nature, unlike motorcyclists
who are right Libertarians.

[ComandanteBanana]

On Oct 12, 2:15 pm, Jym Dyer > wrote:
> [Removed from rec.bicycles.rides where this was NEVER on-topic.]
>
> =v= The potential and actual damages of bicycles don't come
> anywhere near those of motorized vehicles. It's simply not
> worth the price of the bureaucracy involved.
>
> =v= If the world's most repressive regimes can get by without
> demanding licensing of bicyclists, I think free countries could
> somehow manage to muddle through without it as well.
> <_Jym_>

The most repressive regimes allow cyclists to be fair game for the
SUVs.

Hunting season usually is in the summer time.

[KingOfTheApes]

On Oct 12, 5:08 pm, "alan.holmes" > wrote:
> "BOFH" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "ComandanteBanana" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> Case in point is how we should make people pass a cycling/motorcycle
> >> test and if they fail that test they won't have a chance with the
> >> driving test! Why? Because it's better to knock a few cones with a
> >> bicycle, than with a car, where those cones are bound to be cyclists
> >> or pedestrians in real life.
>
> >> Simply some people should not be driving!
>
> > uk.rec.driving
>
> > meet the obsessed, militant footsoldiers you share the road with.
>
> > I think you all need to talk this through
>
> ALL car drivers shold have to ride a cycle for at least a year on the road
> every day before getting a driving licence for a car.

It would better that they drive first an SUV, and then all the way
down to a bicycle.

The drivers of the former have a lower IQ than those on two wheels.

(KingOfTheApes=ComandanteBanana, but I don't mean any offense to
anyone here)

[KingOfTheApes]

On Oct 12, 7:25*pm, Phil W Lee <phil(at)lee-family(dot)me(dot)uk>
wrote:
> ComandanteBanana > considered Fri, 10 Oct
> 2008 15:03:00 -0700 (PDT) the perfect time to write:
>
> >Case in point is how we should make people pass a cycling/motorcycle
> >test and if they fail that test they won't have a chance with the
> >driving test! Why? Because it's better to knock a few cones with a
> >bicycle, than with a car, where those cones are bound to be cyclists
> >or pedestrians in real life.
>
> >Simply some people should not be driving!
>
> I'd go further, and have a mandatory route through increasing weight
> of vehicle, starting with a bicycle, then moped, small motorcycle,
> performance motorcycle, small car, high performance car, larger car or
> van, SUV, rigid truck or bus, articulated truck or bus.
> Use for hire or reward an additional test, at any level (but
> separately testable for each subsequent level attained).
> Trailers to be an additional test, at any appropriate level (but
> separately testable for each subsequent level attained).
> The only optional classes should be the performance ones, other than
> that, the preceding one is the only way of obtaining a provisional
> licence for the next class up.
> Possible disability exemptions, but drivers so exempted should be
> identifiable, so people can make allowances.
> Put a branch in for agricultural vehicles, alongside SUVs.
>
> So everyone would start on a bicycle, and once they had been using it
> long enough, they could take a test that would qualify them to learn
> to use a moped (if they wanted to).
> Once they'd passed the moped test, they would become eligable to learn
> to ride a small motorcycle.
> etc. etc. up through the grades.
>
> I'd also adopt the "assumed liability" laws from the Netherlands,
> where in the absence of evidence to the contrary, the driver of the
> larger vehicle in any incident is assumed to be at fault.
>
> As well as safety benefits, this licencing scheme would provide a
> relatively soft landing for road users when the oil runs out or
> becomes too expensive to waste on non-essential travel.

It makes so much sense. Now do we convince our candidates that such an
idea should be a presidential issue?

It should right up there with the designer glasses worn by Ms. Palin.


Look, they're all eyeing those Palin glasses

A self-confessed "pitbull in lipstick" and "hockey mum", Palin is
finding her niche in the fashion industry with her Kazuo Kawasaki
rimless eyeglasses.

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Tuesday/National/2374613/Article/index_html

"Pitbull in lipstick" almost sounds like "lion in lipstick." They are
real hungry. ;)

[S'mee]

On Oct 13, 5:41*pm, ComandanteBanana >
wrote:
> On Oct 11, 11:29*am, "S'mee" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 10, 9:30*pm, (Tom Keats) wrote:
>
> > > In article >,
> > > * * * * "S'mee" > writes:
>
> > > > Uh you obviously FAILED at both critical reading and thinking. He said
> > > > if you can't ride a bicycle(pushbike in barbarian lands) or ride a
> > > > motorcycle you shouldn't be aloud to drive anything at all...not a bad
>
> > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ^^^^^
>
> > > Go back to bed.
>
> > Sleep is for the weak and my spelling is notorious. 8^/
>
> > > > idea too bad I thought of it back when I started riding back in '76..
>
> > > Good for you.
>
> > Yabbut nobody listens to the ideas of a kid.
>
> > > >> At least we're free to rebut.
>
> > > >> Without getting decapitated. *Just investigated *;-)
> > > > Water boarded, violated (just searching for contraband comrad)
> > > >> And that's what's better about Western/New World society.
> > > > I thought it was the beer and single malt whiskeys. mmm, single malt,
> > > > mmm hic.
>
> > > Go back to bed.
>
> > I was still up from a nice 6am start that day.
>
> > > Maybe have a tomato juice in the morning.
>
> > Why I've coffee, a piece of tail and no hangover...some of us are
> > responsible. Unlike over half of america.
>
> The ones voting the same old ****, or the ones voting for the new ****?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Yes...I vote that nobody votes for either party. Anyway we need MORE
parties...even if they are socialist democratic christians. We need
some parties fun to laugh at not easy.
--
Keith

[BrianNZ]

S'mee wrote:
> On Oct 13, 5:41 pm, ComandanteBanana >
> wrote:
>> On Oct 11, 11:29 am, "S'mee" > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Oct 10, 9:30 pm, (Tom Keats) wrote:
>>>> In article >,
>>>> "S'mee" > writes:
>>>>> Uh you obviously FAILED at both critical reading and thinking. He said
>>>>> if you can't ride a bicycle(pushbike in barbarian lands) or ride a
>>>>> motorcycle you shouldn't be aloud to drive anything at all...not a bad
>>>> ^^^^^
>>>> Go back to bed.
>>> Sleep is for the weak and my spelling is notorious. 8^/
>>>>> idea too bad I thought of it back when I started riding back in '76.
>>>> Good for you.
>>> Yabbut nobody listens to the ideas of a kid.
>>>>>> At least we're free to rebut.
>>>>>> Without getting decapitated. Just investigated ;-)
>>>>> Water boarded, violated (just searching for contraband comrad)
>>>>>> And that's what's better about Western/New World society.
>>>>> I thought it was the beer and single malt whiskeys. mmm, single malt,
>>>>> mmm hic.
>>>> Go back to bed.
>>> I was still up from a nice 6am start that day.
>>>> Maybe have a tomato juice in the morning.
>>> Why I've coffee, a piece of tail and no hangover...some of us are
>>> responsible. Unlike over half of america.
>> The ones voting the same old ****, or the ones voting for the new ****?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Yes...I vote that nobody votes for either party. Anyway we need MORE
> parties...even if they are socialist democratic christians. We need
> some parties fun to laugh at not easy.
> --
> Keith


be careful, you might get what you wish for......we have MMP with
minority parties joining coalitions with the major parties to grab as
much power as they can.....a real tail wagging the dog situation.

[Tom Keats]

In article >,
"S'mee" > writes:

> Yes...I vote that nobody votes for either party. Anyway we need MORE
> parties...even if they are socialist democratic christians. We need
> some parties fun to laugh at not easy.

A party sounds good to me.

'Xcept I gotta go to work tomorrow.

What the heck -- I vote we have a party!
With whores d'ouevres and absinthe cocktails
and deli platters and good tunes and dancing,
and a scientific guy to fascinatedly listen to
for a brief while, and then walk away from in
the throes of ennui.

And valet bicycle parking.


cheers, & the situation is hopeless but not serious,
Tom


--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

[ComandanteBanana]

On Oct 13, 10:38 pm, "S'mee" > wrote:
> On Oct 13, 5:41 pm, ComandanteBanana >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 11, 11:29 am, "S'mee" > wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 10, 9:30 pm, (Tom Keats) wrote:
>
> > > > In article >,
> > > > "S'mee" > writes:
>
> > > > > Uh you obviously FAILED at both critical reading and thinking. He said
> > > > > if you can't ride a bicycle(pushbike in barbarian lands) or ride a
> > > > > motorcycle you shouldn't be aloud to drive anything at all...not a bad
>
> > > > ^^^^^
>
> > > > Go back to bed.
>
> > > Sleep is for the weak and my spelling is notorious. 8^/
>
> > > > > idea too bad I thought of it back when I started riding back in '76.
>
> > > > Good for you.
>
> > > Yabbut nobody listens to the ideas of a kid.
>
> > > > >> At least we're free to rebut.
>
> > > > >> Without getting decapitated. Just investigated ;-)
> > > > > Water boarded, violated (just searching for contraband comrad)
> > > > >> And that's what's better about Western/New World society.
> > > > > I thought it was the beer and single malt whiskeys. mmm, single malt,
> > > > > mmm hic.
>
> > > > Go back to bed.
>
> > > I was still up from a nice 6am start that day.
>
> > > > Maybe have a tomato juice in the morning.
>
> > > Why I've coffee, a piece of tail and no hangover...some of us are
> > > responsible. Unlike over half of america.
>
> > The ones voting the same old ****, or the ones voting for the new ****?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Yes...I vote that nobody votes for either party. Anyway we need MORE
> parties...even if they are socialist democratic christians. We need
> some parties fun to laugh at not easy.
> --
> Keith- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I say a vote for Obama may be a mistake, but a vote for McPain would
be a unforgiveable.

I'm with the majority that does NOT vote. ;)

[ComandanteBanana]

On Oct 13, 11:22 pm, (Tom Keats) wrote:
> In article >,
> "S'mee" > writes:
>
> > Yes...I vote that nobody votes for either party. Anyway we need MORE
> > parties...even if they are socialist democratic christians. We need
> > some parties fun to laugh at not easy.
>
> A party sounds good to me.
>
> 'Xcept I gotta go to work tomorrow.
>
> What the heck -- I vote we have a party!
> With whores d'ouevres and absinthe cocktails
> and deli platters and good tunes and dancing,
> and a scientific guy to fascinatedly listen to
> for a brief while, and then walk away from in
> the throes of ennui.
>
> And valet bicycle parking.
>
> cheers, & the situation is hopeless but not serious,
> Tom
>
> --
> Nothing is safe from me.
> I'm really at:
> tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

Then come to Miami on Nov. 9th, bike celebration time! Some new bike
lanes and valet parking for bikes. The hookers you have to get on your
own, but Biscayne Blvd is nearby. Just be ready to put with Banana
Republic politics.

With the Banana Revolution we plan to have the girls free, since we
plan to bring the Dutch model over here. Yes, the bike facilities are
included. ;)

[ComandanteBanana]

On Oct 12, 5:08 pm, "alan.holmes" > wrote:
> "BOFH" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "ComandanteBanana" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> Case in point is how we should make people pass a cycling/motorcycle
> >> test and if they fail that test they won't have a chance with the
> >> driving test! Why? Because it's better to knock a few cones with a
> >> bicycle, than with a car, where those cones are bound to be cyclists
> >> or pedestrians in real life.
>
> >> Simply some people should not be driving!
>
> > uk.rec.driving
>
> > meet the obsessed, militant footsoldiers you share the road with.
>
> > I think you all need to talk this through
>
> ALL car drivers shold have to ride a cycle for at least a year on the road
> every day before getting a driving licence for a car.
>
> Alan

And then if the survive they'll get points toward the Driver's
License. Makes sense. ;)

It also makes sense that we adopt the British system by which the new
licensees get to bear the letter L for learner. And then if they never
learn they should bear the letter S for stupid.

A lot of them in America.

[ComandanteBanana]

> plan to bring the Dutch model over here. Yes, the bike facilities are
> included. ;)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Sorry, I didn't provide more info...

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=474893

No, I won't be there because the bike lanes won't be anywhere near
where I live. ;(

(I quote here)

I could not believe my eyes when I read this article in the paper this
morning. Is this the same Miami I live and bike in? Miami,
acknowledged road rage capital of the US, where cars aim at cyclists
on the street, where I get yelled at on a weekly basis to "get the
f@ck off the road!"

[ComandanteBanana]

Originally Posted by Szczuldo
"the OP's "test" is completely moronic, it will not teach a driver
anything about cyclists and how to react when they are on the same
road. If anything, new drivers need to spend a certain amount of time
on a bike on the road. Quite possibly on a tandem with an instructor
as the stoker except he also has access to the brakes. If new drivers
do not understand what it's like to be a cyclist on the road, then as
drivers they will not know where to look for them and could quite
possibly hit them. If they spend enough time on a bike and see how
drivers disrespect bike riders maybe they'll learn and not do it
themselves. The amount of time spent on a bike with an instructor
should be 1.5 or 2x as much as time with an instructor spent in a car,
and of course should also be done first."

As opposed to licensing people "factory style," where the instructor
and the test provider all work to produce as many drivers as
possible. ;)

[ComandanteBanana]

Originally Posted by daven1986

"in light of this, in order to be able to learn to drive you should
have to have ridden both a bike and motorbike for a certain amount of
time. this will raise peoples' awareness of what it is like to be on
those vehicles and should make them more aware of people using bikes /
motorbikes when they are driving.

also they need to make the driving test much harder. too many people
can drive at the moment, and many of them are retarded. if they made
the test harder they would reduce pollution, reduce congestion, reduce
road accidents, reduce road maintenance costs, improve peoples'
health, etc."



Finally some common sense here. And to think that the others are
capable of driving while DUI (Driving Under Idiocy).

If you enforced DUI as defined above America's roads would be suddenly
empty, and roads would be safe for cyclists.

Rule #1 is that there's NO TESTING IN AUTOMATIC CARS. Learn to drive
like in Europe or ride a bike.

[Jym Dyer]

>> ... the sterling achievements of motorists, who kill and
>> maim far greater numbers of people and destroy communities
>> and ecosystems far more effectively than bicyclists do.
> Try as I might, I can't think of one single community or
> ecosystem that I've destroyed.

=v= Which just illustrates the problem. Communities and
ecosystems are destroyed by cars, but it's nobody's fault.
Nobody's fault at all. It just sort of dimwittedly happens.
<_Jym_>

[BrianNZ]

Jym Dyer wrote:
>>> ... the sterling achievements of motorists, who kill and
>>> maim far greater numbers of people and destroy communities
>>> and ecosystems far more effectively than bicyclists do.
>> Try as I might, I can't think of one single community or
>> ecosystem that I've destroyed.
>
> =v= Which just illustrates the problem. Communities and
> ecosystems are destroyed by cars, but it's nobody's fault.
> Nobody's fault at all. It just sort of dimwittedly happens.
> <_Jym_>
>


Slums are an ecosystem....think of it as accelerated evolution.

[Geoff Lane[_3_]]

On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 07:36:30 -0700 (PDT), ComandanteBanana
> wrote:

>On Oct 12, 5:08 pm, "alan.holmes" > wrote:
>> "BOFH" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > "ComandanteBanana" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> Case in point is how we should make people pass a cycling/motorcycle
>> >> test and if they fail that test they won't have a chance with the
>> >> driving test! Why? Because it's better to knock a few cones with a
>> >> bicycle, than with a car, where those cones are bound to be cyclists
>> >> or pedestrians in real life.
>>
>> >> Simply some people should not be driving!
>>
>> > uk.rec.driving
>>
>> > meet the obsessed, militant footsoldiers you share the road with.
>>
>> > I think you all need to talk this through
>>
>> ALL car drivers shold have to ride a cycle for at least a year on the road
>> every day before getting a driving licence for a car.
>>
>> Alan
>
>And then if the survive they'll get points toward the Driver's
>License. Makes sense. ;)
>
>It also makes sense that we adopt the British system by which the new
>licensees get to bear the letter L for learner. And then if they never
>learn they should bear the letter S for stupid.
>
>A lot of them in America.

A lot of the trolls on uk.rec.cycling think that all motorists (except
them) should bear the letter "C" for "c**t". Not that they'll ever
admit it, of course.

[Rob Kleinschmidt]

On Oct 12, 11:31*am, Halmyre > wrote:
> In article >, says...
> > motorists, who kill
> > and maim far greater numbers of people and destroy communities
> > and ecosystems far more effectively than bicyclists do.
> > * * <_Jym_>
>
> Try as I might, I can't think of one single community or ecosystem that I've
> destroyed. Please provide more details, I could do with a laugh.

Do you deny the wanton ecosystem destruction
caused every day by thoughtless mountain bikers ?

Not surprising that you would wish to ignore it I guess.

[Halmyre]

In article <1701542f-8513-4f7d-a520-59d2488c1477
@i20g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, says...
> On Oct 12, 11:31*am, Halmyre > wrote:
> > In article >, says....
> > > motorists, who kill
> > > and maim far greater numbers of people and destroy communities
> > > and ecosystems far more effectively than bicyclists do.
> > > * * <_Jym_>
> >
> > Try as I might, I can't think of one single community or ecosystem that I've
> > destroyed. Please provide more details, I could do with a laugh.
>
> Do you deny the wanton ecosystem destruction
> caused every day by thoughtless mountain bikers ?
>
> Not surprising that you would wish to ignore it I guess.
>

On the contrary, I am appalled by the damage done to the ecosystem by
mountain bikes.

--
Halmyre

That's you that is.

[Tom Sherman[_2_]]

Halmyre wrote:
> In article <1701542f-8513-4f7d-a520-59d2488c1477
> @i20g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, says...
>> On Oct 12, 11:31 am, Halmyre > wrote:
>>> In article >, says...
>>>> motorists, who kill
>>>> and maim far greater numbers of people and destroy communities
>>>> and ecosystems far more effectively than bicyclists do.
>>>> <_Jym_>
>>> Try as I might, I can't think of one single community or ecosystem that I've
>>> destroyed. Please provide more details, I could do with a laugh.
>> Do you deny the wanton ecosystem destruction
>> caused every day by thoughtless mountain bikers ?
>>
>> Not surprising that you would wish to ignore it I guess.
>>
>
> On the contrary, I am appalled by the damage done to the ecosystem by
> mountain bikes.
>
Drinking Kool-Aid at Mikey Vandeman's place?

--
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
If you are not a part of the solution, you are a part of the precipitate.

[KingOfTheApes]

On Oct 16, 11:09*am, Geoff Lane > wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 07:36:30 -0700 (PDT), ComandanteBanana
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> >On Oct 12, 5:08 pm, "alan.holmes" > wrote:
> >> "BOFH" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> >> > "ComandanteBanana" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >> Case in point is how we should make people pass a cycling/motorcycle
> >> >> test and if they fail that test they won't have a chance with the
> >> >> driving test! Why? Because it's better to knock a few cones with a
> >> >> bicycle, than with a car, where those cones are bound to be cyclists
> >> >> or pedestrians in real life.
>
> >> >> Simply some people should not be driving!
>
> >> > uk.rec.driving
>
> >> > meet the obsessed, militant footsoldiers you share the road with.
>
> >> > I think you all need to talk this through
>
> >> ALL car drivers shold have to ride a cycle for at least a year on the road
> >> every day before getting a driving licence for a car.
>
> >> Alan
>
> >And then if the survive they'll get points toward the Driver's
> >License. Makes sense. ;)
>
> >It also makes sense that we adopt the British system by which the new
> >licensees get to bear the letter L for learner. And then if they never
> >learn they should bear the letter S for stupid.
>
> >A lot of them in America.
>
> A lot of the trolls on uk.rec.cycling think that all motorists (except
> them) should bear the letter "C" for "c**t". *Not that they'll ever
> admit it, of course.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I think motorists are somewhere between down the path of evolution,
past the SUV (alpha monkey) but not fully evolved (civilized man on
bicycle).

http://images.cafepress.com/product/58368890v11_240x240_Front.jpg

[It's Chris]

...And based on many of the wayward cyclists I've seen in my many years
on the road, some shouldn't even be riding.

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