Does America have the best sidewalks to ride in the world?

[ComandanteBanana]

Who needs bike lanes?

I guess, having sidewalk ramps just about every corner, you can cross
easily from sidewalk to sidewalk. I think they were originally
intended for wheelchairs, but I'm sure bikers outnumber handicap users
at least 10 to 1.

True that the American suburb where the well-to-do live, often lacks
sidewalks at all, but chances are that if you live there you own an
SUV.

So it is that sidewalks in America carry a good chunk of cyclists that
otherwise would not have a chance to ride since are our roads remain
no-man's land.

Yep, we probably have the best sidewalks in the world.


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[KingOfTheApes]

Originally Posted by genec

"BS

Even our sidewalks are often narrow and filled with all sorts of junk
from traffic light control boxes to mail boxes to bus benches and
light poles...

And then there are the pedestrians..."


Damned, I forgot about the pedestrians!

But the obstacles on the way you may consider like an obstacle
course.

[KingOfTheApes]

Originally Posted by uke

"Our sidewalks are rubbish, and there aren't any to speak of in small
towns."


That word (rubbish) sounds like Queen's English. In the States you'd
say crappy or garbage.

One question, if there's no sidewalks, how can pedestrians get around?
Or they'd have to wear hiking shoes to walk over the grass?


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[Edward Dolan]

"ComandanteBanana" > wrote in message
...
> Who needs bike lanes?
>
> I guess, having sidewalk ramps just about every corner, you can cross
> easily from sidewalk to sidewalk. I think they were originally
> intended for wheelchairs, but I'm sure bikers outnumber handicap users
> at least 10 to 1.
>
> True that the American suburb where the well-to-do live, often lacks
> sidewalks at all, but chances are that if you live there you own an
> SUV.
>
> So it is that sidewalks in America carry a good chunk of cyclists that
> otherwise would not have a chance to ride since are our roads remain
> no-man's land.
>
> Yep, we probably have the best sidewalks in the world.

Sidewalks belong to pedestrians, not cyclists. If a cyclist is on a
sidewalk, he should be walking his bike, not riding it.

There are plenty of roads in the land that have good shoulders. Also, most
residential streets are suitable for cyclists. Just stay off of unsuitable
roads and high speed highways with no shoulders and you will be fine.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[KingOfTheApes]

On Nov 6, 3:42*pm, "Edward Dolan" > wrote:
> "ComandanteBanana" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Who needs bike lanes?
>
> > I guess, having sidewalk ramps just about every corner, you can cross
> > easily from sidewalk to sidewalk. I think they were originally
> > intended for wheelchairs, but I'm sure bikers outnumber handicap users
> > at least 10 to 1.
>
> > True that the American suburb where the well-to-do live, often lacks
> > sidewalks at all, but chances are that if you live there you own an
> > SUV.
>
> > So it is that sidewalks in America carry a good chunk of cyclists that
> > otherwise would not have a chance to ride since are our roads remain
> > no-man's land.
>
> > Yep, we probably have the best sidewalks in the world.
>
> Sidewalks belong to pedestrians, not cyclists. If a cyclist is on a
> sidewalk, he should be walking his bike, not riding it.
>
> There are plenty of roads in the land that have good shoulders. Also, most
> residential streets are suitable for cyclists. Just stay off of unsuitable
> roads and high speed highways with no shoulders and you will be fine.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Minnesota is too far from the real world to know what's going on. In
the American cities, the poor and the not so poor ride the sidewalks
because they are afraid to ride on the road. Either sidewalks or don't
ride at all, wich is what the 99.6% of Americans do when they choose
NOT to ride a bike to work.

It's a simple survival strategy. But you keep denying the model of the
jungle, and even the existence of the beasts out there.

[Edward Dolan]

"KingOfTheApes" > wrote in message
...
On Nov 6, 3:42 pm, "Edward Dolan" > wrote:
> "ComandanteBanana" > wrote in message
[...]
> > So it is that sidewalks in America carry a good chunk of cyclists that
> > otherwise would not have a chance to ride since are our roads remain
> > no-man's land.
>
> > Yep, we probably have the best sidewalks in the world.
>
> Sidewalks belong to pedestrians, not cyclists. If a cyclist is on a
> sidewalk, he should be walking his bike, not riding it.
>
> There are plenty of roads in the land that have good shoulders. Also, most
> residential streets are suitable for cyclists. Just stay off of unsuitable
> roads and high speed highways with no shoulders and you will be fine.

>>> Minnesota is too far from the real world to know what's going on. In
the American cities, the poor and the not so poor ride the sidewalks
because they are afraid to ride on the road. Either sidewalks or don't
ride at all, wich is what the 99.6% of Americans do when they choose
NOT to ride a bike to work.

Minnesota is as ****ed-up as any other state in the union, including the
****ed-up state of Florida. Sidewalks are for pedestrians, streets are for
bicycles - you poor dumb stupid *******! If you want to do something useful,
advocate for bike paths.

>>> It's a simple survival strategy. But you keep denying the model of the
jungle, and even the existence of the beasts out there.

You are too dumb to ever leave your house. I suggest you stay there hiding
under your bed. That way only the cockroaches will get you!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[ComandanteBanana]

On Nov 6, 4:44*pm, "Edward Dolan" > wrote:
> "KingOfTheApes" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Nov 6, 3:42 pm, "Edward Dolan" > wrote:
>
> > "ComandanteBanana" > wrote in message
> [...]
> > > So it is that sidewalks in America carry a good chunk of cyclists that
> > > otherwise would not have a chance to ride since are our roads remain
> > > no-man's land.
>
> > > Yep, we probably have the best sidewalks in the world.
>
> > Sidewalks belong to pedestrians, not cyclists. If a cyclist is on a
> > sidewalk, he should be walking his bike, not riding it.
>
> > There are plenty of roads in the land that have good shoulders. Also, most
> > residential streets are suitable for cyclists. Just stay off of unsuitable
> > roads and high speed highways with no shoulders and you will be fine.
> >>> Minnesota is too far from the real world to know what's going on. In
>
> the American cities, the poor and the not so poor ride the sidewalks
> because they are afraid to ride on the road. Either sidewalks or don't
> ride at all, wich is what the 99.6% of Americans do when they choose
> NOT to ride a bike to work.
>
> Minnesota is as ****ed-up as any other state in the union, including the
> ****ed-up state of Florida. Sidewalks are for pedestrians, streets are for
> bicycles - you poor dumb stupid *******! If you want to do something useful,
> advocate for bike paths.

Bike paths... Just mention that name here... and you'll be cursed by
the elite cyclists.

It's hard to understand, but so is your belief that we can make bike
paths when the stupid war and all the predatory lending drained all
the money we had. So now there's "no dinero"... Comprende? We are
broke, and for all his good intentions, not even Obama can pick us
from our sad state of affairs.

You'll be lucky if you can get to your dream nursing home. Of course,
they've got stationary bikes, so go for it. ;)

>
> >>> It's a simple survival strategy. But you keep denying the model of the
>
> jungle, and even the existence of the beasts out there.
>
> You are too dumb to ever leave your house. I suggest you stay there hiding
> under your bed. That way only the cockroaches will get you!
>

Believe it or not I declared war on the roaches using simple Boric
Acid, and they went away.

That's a good metaphor that jungle can be conquered. Roaches, beware!

[Edward Dolan]

"ComandanteBanana" > wrote in message
...
On Nov 6, 4:44 pm, "Edward Dolan" > wrote:
> "KingOfTheApes" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Nov 6, 3:42 pm, "Edward Dolan" > wrote:
>
> > "ComandanteBanana" > wrote in message
> [...]
> > > So it is that sidewalks in America carry a good chunk of cyclists that
> > > otherwise would not have a chance to ride since are our roads remain
> > > no-man's land.
>
> > > Yep, we probably have the best sidewalks in the world.
>
> > Sidewalks belong to pedestrians, not cyclists. If a cyclist is on a
> > sidewalk, he should be walking his bike, not riding it.
>
> > There are plenty of roads in the land that have good shoulders. Also,
> > most
> > residential streets are suitable for cyclists. Just stay off of
> > unsuitable
> > roads and high speed highways with no shoulders and you will be fine.
> >>> Minnesota is too far from the real world to know what's going on. In
>
> the American cities, the poor and the not so poor ride the sidewalks
> because they are afraid to ride on the road. Either sidewalks or don't
> ride at all, wich is what the 99.6% of Americans do when they choose
> NOT to ride a bike to work.
>
> Minnesota is as ****ed-up as any other state in the union, including the
> ****ed-up state of Florida. Sidewalks are for pedestrians, streets are for
> bicycles - you poor dumb stupid *******! If you want to do something
> useful,
> advocate for bike paths.

>>>> Bike paths... Just mention that name here... and you'll be cursed by
the elite cyclists.

Elite cyclists are a miniscule minority of cyclists. You are an idiot if you
ever pay the slightest attention to them.

>>>> It's hard to understand, but so is your belief that we can make bike
paths when the stupid war and all the predatory lending drained all
the money we had. So now there's "no dinero"... Comprende? We are
broke, and for all his good intentions, not even Obama can pick us
from our sad state of affairs.

Yes, I fear you are right. I think the day of the bike path has come and
gone too.

>>> You'll be lucky if you can get to your dream nursing home. Of course,
they've got stationary bikes, so go for it. ;)

In the end, we all end up walking, the one thing that nature designed us to
do. When I can no longer walk, I want to be dead.

> >>> It's a simple survival strategy. But you keep denying the model of the
> jungle, and even the existence of the beasts out there.
>
> You are too dumb to ever leave your house. I suggest you stay there hiding
> under your bed. That way only the cockroaches will get you!

>>> Believe it or not I declared war on the roaches using simple Boric
Acid, and they went away.

>>> That's a good metaphor that jungle can be conquered. Roaches, beware!

Well, you are not easy to insult I must admit so maybe I will stop doing it.
Just stay off the liberal asshole nonsense and we can most likely get along.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[KingOfTheApes]

On Nov 6, 8:06*pm, "Edward Dolan" > wrote:
> "ComandanteBanana" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Nov 6, 4:44 pm, "Edward Dolan" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "KingOfTheApes" > wrote in message
>
> ....
> > On Nov 6, 3:42 pm, "Edward Dolan" > wrote:
>
> > > "ComandanteBanana" > wrote in message
> > [...]
> > > > So it is that sidewalks in America carry a good chunk of cyclists that
> > > > otherwise would not have a chance to ride since are our roads remain
> > > > no-man's land.
>
> > > > Yep, we probably have the best sidewalks in the world.
>
> > > Sidewalks belong to pedestrians, not cyclists. If a cyclist is on a
> > > sidewalk, he should be walking his bike, not riding it.
>
> > > There are plenty of roads in the land that have good shoulders. Also,
> > > most
> > > residential streets are suitable for cyclists. Just stay off of
> > > unsuitable
> > > roads and high speed highways with no shoulders and you will be fine.
> > >>> Minnesota is too far from the real world to know what's going on. In
>
> > the American cities, the poor and the not so poor ride the sidewalks
> > because they are afraid to ride on the road. Either sidewalks or don't
> > ride at all, wich is what the 99.6% of Americans do when they choose
> > NOT to ride a bike to work.
>
> > Minnesota is as ****ed-up as any other state in the union, including the
> > ****ed-up state of Florida. Sidewalks are for pedestrians, streets are for
> > bicycles - you poor dumb stupid *******! If you want to do something
> > useful,
> > advocate for bike paths.
> >>>> Bike paths... Just mention that name here... and you'll be cursed by
>
> the elite cyclists.
>
> Elite cyclists are a miniscule minority of cyclists. You are an idiot if you
> ever pay the slightest attention to them.
>
> >>>> It's hard to understand, but so is your belief that we can make bike
>
> paths when the stupid war and all the predatory lending drained all
> the money we had. So now there's "no dinero"... Comprende? We are
> broke, and for all his good intentions, not even Obama can pick us
> from our sad state of affairs.
>
> Yes, I fear you are right. I think the day of the bike path has come and
> gone too.
>
> >>> You'll be lucky if you can get to your dream nursing home. Of course,
>
> they've got stationary bikes, so go for it. ;)
>
> In the end, we all end up walking, the one thing that nature designed us to
> do. When I can no longer walk, I want to be dead.
>
> > >>> It's a simple survival strategy. But you keep denying the model of the
> > jungle, and even the existence of the beasts out there.
>
> > You are too dumb to ever leave your house. I suggest you stay there hiding
> > under your bed. That way only the cockroaches will get you!
> >>> Believe it or not I declared war on the roaches using simple Boric
>
> Acid, and they went away.
>
> >>> That's a good metaphor that jungle can be conquered. Roaches, beware!
>
> Well, you are not easy to insult I must admit so maybe I will stop doing it.
> Just stay off the liberal asshole nonsense and we can most likely get along.

See, there's the rub... And it ain't that I'm liberal, just that I
believe that I find ridiculous that we lack BIKE LANES, BIKE PATHS,
AND ALL KINDS OF BIKE FACILITIES... Why? Because they don't make
enough money for the system... Yeah, IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY, my friend.
We are trashing the planet and risking nuclear war so we can make
money and more money. IT'S NOT ABOUT RACE ANYM0RE... IT'S ABOUT MONEY!

(Somebody questions here that cyclists are discriminated when even
blacks can make it to the White House)

Veloire wrote:
“we are also the victim of discrimination and abuse”

> I don’t think any of us ever been discriminated all the way to the oval office…

(I say)

Discrimination today is based on economic status, not race. Well,
sometimes they go together, but riding a bike for practical purposes
signals that you are at the bottom of the food chain, where not only
you get discriminated against (drivers often blast the horn at you to
get out… and go unpunished), but also you can get killed.

The weak must join the strong --or stay home.

[Edward Dolan]

"KingOfTheApes" > wrote in message
...
On Nov 6, 8:06 pm, "Edward Dolan" > wrote:
[...]
> Well, you are not easy to insult I must admit so maybe I will stop doing
> it.
> Just stay off the liberal asshole nonsense and we can most likely get
> along.

>> See, there's the rub... And it ain't that I'm liberal, just that I
believe that I find ridiculous that we lack BIKE LANES, BIKE PATHS,
AND ALL KINDS OF BIKE FACILITIES... Why? Because they don't make
enough money for the system... Yeah, IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY, my friend.
We are trashing the planet and risking nuclear war so we can make
money and more money. IT'S NOT ABOUT RACE ANYM0RE... IT'S ABOUT MONEY!
[...]

>> Discrimination today is based on economic status, not race. Well,
sometimes they go together, but riding a bike for practical purposes
signals that you are at the bottom of the food chain, where not only
you get discriminated against (drivers often blast the horn at you to
get out… and go unpunished), but also you can get killed.

>> The weak must join the strong --or stay home.

You need to get out of Florida. The roads there are narrow and too much
traffic. Cyclists need their own bike paths. That is the alpha and the omega
of it all. Too many people - not enough space.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[JimmyMac]

On Nov 6, 12:21*pm, ComandanteBanana >
wrote:
> Who needs bike lanes?
>
> I guess, having sidewalk ramps just about every corner, you can cross
> easily from sidewalk to sidewalk. I think they were originally
> intended for wheelchairs, but I'm sure bikers outnumber handicap users
> at least 10 to 1.
>
> True that the American suburb where the well-to-do live, often lacks
> sidewalks at all, but chances are that if you live there you own an
> SUV.
>
> So it is that sidewalks in America carry a good chunk of cyclists that
> otherwise would not have a chance to ride since are our roads remain
> no-man's land.
>
> Yep, we probably have the best sidewalks in the world.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> WHY THE BANANA REVOLUTION?
> (home of the Dutch model!)
>
> http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution

Throughout the US (remember America is both a north and south
reference), the law specifically states that by the age of 12 or 13,
cyclists are no longer permitted to ride bicycles on the sidewalk
unless posted signs specifically indicate otherwise and this is the
exception rather than the rule.

[KingOfTheApes]

On Nov 7, 10:05*am, JimmyMac > wrote:
> On Nov 6, 12:21*pm, ComandanteBanana >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Who needs bike lanes?
>
> > I guess, having sidewalk ramps just about every corner, you can cross
> > easily from sidewalk to sidewalk. I think they were originally
> > intended for wheelchairs, but I'm sure bikers outnumber handicap users
> > at least 10 to 1.
>
> > True that the American suburb where the well-to-do live, often lacks
> > sidewalks at all, but chances are that if you live there you own an
> > SUV.
>
> > So it is that sidewalks in America carry a good chunk of cyclists that
> > otherwise would not have a chance to ride since are our roads remain
> > no-man's land.
>
> > Yep, we probably have the best sidewalks in the world.
>
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------*-----
> > WHY THE BANANA REVOLUTION?
> > (home of the Dutch model!)
>
> >http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution
>
> Throughout the US (remember America is both a north and south
> reference), the law specifically states that by the age of 12 or 13,
> cyclists are no longer permitted to ride bicycles on the sidewalk
> unless posted signs specifically indicate otherwise and this is the
> exception rather than the rule.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The most prevalent law on American roads you should be able to learn
before getting a driver's license...

THE LAW OF THE JUNGLE

Ignoring it may cost you your life.

[KingOfTheApes]

Originally Posted by crhilton
"It's none of those. It's:
1. Because we're different.
2. Because they believe we slow them down (whether or not we do
doesn't matter, perception matters).

Bike discrimination isn't a big political thing. We're just a small
minority within the overall population so we are largely ignored. Not
terribly surprising or interesting."

***

You are wrong my friend... EVERYTHING IS POLITICAL.

We don't dare ride bikes because there's NO POLITICAL WILL to make it
happen.

Whatever the puppeteer wants, the puppets do.