UUU website redeisgn

[delcypher]

Hi I've finally started working on a layout for a redesigned website for
the UUU and I was wondering if I could get a little feed back on what
I've done so far

There are still alot of issues, the sub menus don't quite work right in
Firefox yet and I haven't built the context box yet. But still if people
would like to give me feedback anyway that would great (e.g. colour
theme or banner ok? Maybe white back ground instead?).

http://www.unicycle.org.uk/dev


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[rob.northcott]

I think it looks quite nice. Personally I'd avoid too much
script-driven menus and stuff because of all the cross-browser
compatibility issues, but they do look good and plenty of people use
them. Also, if you're using divs for positioning it's a bit odd to use
tables as well, but it could be just because that code was generated by
a menu builder or something?

I like the black background, but I have had people moaning at me before
about sites I've done with black backgrounds when they want to print a
page. In the end I had to write a script to load the page using another
stylesheet with black text on white for printing. Worth thinking about
for event calendars etc (people will insist on printing them).

Don't try to make it too flashy.

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[Eddbmxdude]

I think it looks pretty good.
The only thing I would say is that when you roll over a style under the
'Ride' tab, the menu that appears covers up the rest of the options in
that menu. The only way to get rid of the box seems to be to click
anywhere off of it, which closes all of the boxes, not just the menu for
that style of riding.
If you followed any of that!


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[joemarshall]

It is sort of okay, but a few things about it:

It looks a bit Commodore 64. The logo/splash screen at the top looks
okay, but maybe something much simpler and cleaner, like the logo on the
current site would make more sense. I think the black background and the
'computer text' is probably the bit that makes it look dodgy though,
black backgrounds just scream teenage hacker / myspace.

Why does it have a 'loading, click here to skip' thing that pops up. If
you're intending to put in a stupid intro animation, it's probably a
good idea not to, they do always suck, and slow down getting to the
content. The reason people come to a website is to get the information
on the site, putting in intro screens just means that you put a stupid
extra step in the way of them getting to the actual good stuff.

If it is just that the page takes a long time to load sometimes, then
don't bung in a loading screen, fix the page so that it loads quickly -
it is just a simple page with a set of links - it should not take so
long to load that a wait screen is required, if it does, there's
something wrong - check out how quick the current uuu page loads.

The mouseover and menus on the buttons are weird - they seem to take
ages to fade in on my PC (which is quite a fast one), and then the
button text flashes a couple of times. Can't you use standard links, and
things you click on, rather than the mouseover menus - they're very
fiddly to work on a laptop touchpad, especially when you have to get
into a submenu. If you're going to use menus, scrap the submenus -
they're not really needed, and they just make navigation fiddly, you can
bring in subsections once they click through, for example hockey rules,
and hockey results can come off the main hockey page. Also, menus fading
in is kind of fun looking, but does make the site harder and slower to
navigate.

You need to do something that works with javascript disabled - as a
minimum making each of the top level menus a clickable link to an
overview page for that section. Oh and have alternative text for all
your images. Things like this are really important nowadays, as more
people use wacky mobile phone browsers and the like. The current site
just crashes on the loading screen with a tiny message at the bottom
saying 'warning, javascript is off, this won't work'

Also, I would use normal text for the menu titles - they do weird
things if you play with text size, and the pretend computer font is a
bit unprofessional looking.

What content management system are you using for this? Or are you not
using one? If you aren't using one, you really should - there is no
point hand coding content for a website without a CMS, it means only the
web developer can actually update anything, and inevitably nothing gets
updated, which was the problem with the old UUU site. We use Joomla at
work. It does the job. There are lots of other alternatives. They also
tend to come with templates, that you can use to make a site look
professional without having all the hassle of hand coding menus etc. and
which get things right, like what happens when javascript is off, or if
images aren't loaded.

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[rob.northcott]

joemarshall;1129936 wrote:
> What content management system are you using for this? Or are you not
> using one? If you aren't using one, you really should - there is no
> point hand coding content for a website without a CMS, it means only the
> web developer can actually update anything, and inevitably nothing gets
> updated, which was the problem with the old UUU site.


I agree with most of what Joe said (that's what I meant by "not too
flashy"), but I think a CMS is a bit over the top really. The "nothing
gets updated" argument was what was discussed at the UUU meeting at BUC,
and is how Dan ended up with the job in the first place - somebody else
I think was given the job of collecting data and making sure it gets to
Dan for posting.

And I still like the black background, and I'm not a teenager, hacker
or myspace user :p
It's true though that most business sites these days don't use dark
backgrounds, and some gadget freaks will always try to look at things on
their phones ;)

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[delcypher]

Well you'll be glad to know I'll be starting the design from scratch.
I'm working on a completly CSS based navigation system now.

I'll bear CMS in mind, but not sure if Rich would let me implement it
on his server.


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[paul royle]

Hi Dan,

Thanks for putting the page up. I like the layout, but I'm not a fan of
the colour scheme. I'm with Joe on the background colour and menu text.
I think a light background is a must.

I'd like a red/white/blue colour scheme because they're the colours of
the UK Unicon t-shirts. The colour scheme on the 'British Cycling
website' (http://tinyurl.com/64smzz) is along the lines I was thinking.
I don't think we need should copy their layout, it's too busy, but the
colours work.

How will the navigation work when you move from the front page? Will
the menu bar across the top stay the same? I'm not sure about the drop
down menus, I think a simpler system would be better.

The site needs to appeal to as many different people as possible, it's
one of the top hits when you search for unicycling in the UK, so the
impression it gives is important to how people perceive our sport. How
do we want to be perceived?

Have a look at other national organisations pages for some ideas, try
the Lawn Tennis Association, British Gymnastics, British Swimming,
British Cycling. They all look fairly official and have a nice clean
look, and are relatively easy to navigate.

Thanks for all the work so far.

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[Danny Colyer]

delcypher;1129911 wrote:
> Hi I've finally started working on a layout for a redesigned website for
> the UUU and I was wondering if I could get a little feed back on what
> I've done so far

First impression is mostly good (I CBA to click around and look at the
rest of the site right now to see if it works).

I like the image at the top, but there are two things I'd change about
it:

1) The UUU logo at the left hand edge doesn't stand out. Perhaps make
the logo a lighter colour (red might work).

2) I really don't like the "l" in that font. Looks too much like an
'e'. Shame, because the font works quite well apart from that.


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[brendan]

i'm not sure why you havent gone for a premade opensource CMS solution
Joomla style or Xoops. It's easier faster and looks awesome in 5
seconds..

and then you can get your users to update their own content and make it
a much more dynamic site. Maybe even including a wiki for an events page
so people can add their own stuff.

Havent actually seen the site though, the page was replaced too quickly
;-)

and i think it's hilarious that your code for your placeholder page
doesnt pass w3c strict ;-) sorry i had to tell you that!
learn to close your tags in the right order!

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[rob.northcott]

Give him a chance - he's keen, even if the style isn't to everybody's
taste at the moment. And let's face it, none of the rest of us could be
arsed to do it :o

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[gkmac]

rob.northcott;1130440 wrote:
> And let's face it, none of the rest of us could be arsed to do it :o

Ahem!


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[joemarshall]

rob.northcott;1130440 wrote:
> Give him a chance - he's keen, even if the style isn't to everybody's
> taste at the moment. And let's face it, none of the rest of us could be
> arsed to do it :o
>
> Rob



Yeah, definitely, something needed doing, and having someone who can be
bothered to do it is great. As for style etc. you can never get these
things right first time. I know my first web page (which thankfully is
not easily findable google any more), was really really bad - whereas
this is at least a basically functional skeleton site.

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[delcypher]

Hey could a few opinions about the banner on the site now?

The site still looks quite ugly as i haven't implemented a lot of the
css code yet, but thoughts?


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[rob.northcott]

I like the new logo/flag thing. The rest of it is looking much more
"conventional" now, so should please more people. Could do with a
border around the text so it doesn't touch the edge of the coloured
boxes (but you did say you hadn't dealt with that sort of thing yet).
And for some reason I feel like the linky menu thing should be on the
left - but that's probably just me!

And the text is just rubbish ;)

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[semach.the.monkey]

delcypher;1132548 wrote:
> Hey could a few opinions about the banner on the site now?
>
> The site still looks quite ugly as i haven't implemented a lot of the
> css code yet, but thoughts?



It looks better than it was, so that's good.

I do a lot of my browsing on my mobile though (Windows Mobile 6), and
although it displays fine, none of the links at the top except for FAQ
work on there.

STM


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[tim_desmet]

looks good :D


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[delcypher]

@Rob - Thanks, I'll probably re-arrange that. It's probably more logical
that way round because if the user is using a low screen resolution they
will still see it.

@Semac the monkey - Interesting problem. I'm going to blame IE on that
one. When you say the links don't work... do you mean the sub menus
don't appear? When you hover the mouse over anything but "FAQ" a sub
menu should appear (It's been tested on IE7, Firefox and Opera so far
and they all work).

The easiest fix I can think of is having a site map on the bottom of
the page that users can also use to navigate (which I was going to have
anyway). But i'd like to look into this problem more. Do you have
anymore details (I assume Windows mobile uses some customised version of
Internet explorer)?


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[semach.the.monkey]

delcypher;1132622 wrote:
>
> @Semac the monkey - Interesting problem. I'm going to blame IE on that
> one. When you say the links don't work... do you mean the sub menus
> don't appear? When you hover the mouse over anything but "FAQ" a sub
> menu should appear (It's been tested on IE7, Firefox and Opera so far
> and they all work).
>
> The easiest fix I can think of is having a site map on the bottom of
> the page that users can also use to navigate (which I was going to have
> anyway). But i'd like to look into this problem more. Do you have
> anymore details (I assume Windows mobile uses some customised version of
> Internet explorer)?



Yeah, Windows Mobile uses a cut down version of IE. I think most sites
treat it like IE5. Because there's no mouse on a mobile phone I don't
have the option of hovering over anything, but the direction pad is used
to move up, down, left or right to the next clickable hyperlink. The
FAQ page is the only one I can select as it treats the other links as
static text.

A site map page would work fine though.

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[delcypher]

> A site map page would work fine though.



Ok, I'll do a site map as well then. Thanks for taking the time to test
it for me STM.


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[sarah.miller]

reading black text on such a bright blue backgroud hurts my eyes. in all
seroiousness I find it very hard to read text on coloured back grounds
unless light/ pastal clours.


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[captainkrunk61]

Lower the saturation of every color you have on that page, that will
tone down the Commodore 64 or neon-ness of the page. Go for deeper or
richer tones, or the other direction with pale tones, it will improve it
greatly.


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[Danny Colyer]

delcypher;1132548 wrote:
> Hey could a few opinions about the banner on the site now?

The banner looks good.



> The site still looks quite ugly as i haven't implemented a lot of the
> css code yet, but thoughts?

I'll second Rob on the position of the menus, and I'll second Sarah on
the colour scheme (black text on a blue background really doesn't work
well).

I'd also suggest using English as the site's language, and if you want
a hockey picture on the menu then a ball would seem more suitable than a
puck.

The right-hand menu renders badly in FF3.0.4. Here's a screen shot:
http://www.redpedals.co.uk/temp/z-uuu.jpg


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[delcypher]

@Danny
Ok thanks. I'm going to get rid of the icons on the horizontal drop
down menu. Just to say the horrible blue and grey boxes are by no way
permanent. There for me to see where I've arranged my elements on the
page and what width they are.

I know the right hand menu renders badly (in all browsers) because I
haven't the CSS code to arrange it yet.


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[delcypher]

Hi guys. I've been working on the design a little more tell me what you
think!

http://www.unicycle.org.uk/dev/

Note: There's currently a major flaw which the functionality of
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[annaats]

Looks good, none of the links are working for me in Firefox, though
again, that could be my computer having issues as I'm at work not home.
I'm sure lots of people will come in with better input soon though! Keep
up the good work :) Do you have information for all of the pages that
will be there? I guess there is stuff that can be used from the old
site, but if you need new stuff written give us a shout.


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[rob.northcott]

That's looking nice Dan. Perhaps the red is a bit bright for my taste
(but then I'd prefer all black anyway!)

None of the links work for me either (in IE7), but I'm assuming that's
because they aren't supposed to work yet.

And I don't know why Anna's moaning about the content - nothing wrong
with lorum ipsum ;)

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[joemarshall]

That looks really good, and the menus are much easier to use now.

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[delcypher]

Just applied some fixes this morning to fix some serious issues with IE
(can't click links) and it appears to work correctly now if FF 2 &3 and
IE7.

The most important things I need to know now are

1. Does the page render correctly in everyone's browser (and the links
in the link box work)?

2. Does the layout seem logical, i.e. the organisation of the drop down
menu and the 3 left hand side boxes (Links, News, Events)?

@Anna - Yes I'm going to need a lot of help compiling information on
the site as a lot of it will be new content (FAQ section, the new sub
sections for each type of unicycling). Yes none of the links work right
now as I have nothing to link to, however the links in the LINKS box on
the left-hand site should work (uk forum, unicyclist.com forum,
unicycle.com, BUC 16)

@Rob - Thanks, I just fixed some IE issues this morning try the links
in the link box now :)

@joemarshall - Thanks, still a lot of work to go though... like
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[rob.northcott]

delcypher;1138502 wrote:
> @Rob - Thanks, I just fixed some IE issues this morning try the links in
> the link box now :)


Those links work for me now in IE7.

I would have the links open in a new window (a href="..."
target=_blank) rather than on top of the UUU site.

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[delcypher]

Thanks Rob good idea, I've implemented it. I have also added a small
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[Danny Colyer]

delcypher;1138502 wrote:
> 1. Does the page render correctly in everyone's browser (and the links
> in the link box work)?

Looks good to me in FF3.0.4, although I think "Unicyclists" in the name
of the organisation should start with a capital "U".



> 2. Does the layout seem logical, i.e. the organisation of the drop down
> menu and the 3 left hand side boxes (Links, News, Events)?

Yes.

Did you know that neither Google nor Babel Fish gives the option to
translate a web page from Latin?


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[delcypher]

Ok I've capitalised the U in the UUU banner for you Danny.

quote]

Did you know that neither Google nor Babel Fish gives the option to
translate a web page from Latin?



LOL no they probably wouldn't, it's "Lorem Ipsum" the traditional filler
text (which is in latin, well spotted) . Have a look at
http://www.lipsum.com/ if you're interested.

Good to know it's rendering good for people so far :)


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[paul royle]

Looks really good. I like it.

Layout seems logical to me. I like the colour scheme.

I'll reply to your content email later.

Thanks for all the work so far!

Paul


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[captainkrunk61]

That looks much better than the first run.


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