Isn't this getting ridiculous?

[Patrick Lamb]

OK, I can see the advertising power of a bicycle-branded coffee cup:

<http://store.trekbikes.com/jump.jsp?itemID=821&itemType=PRODUCT&path=1%2C2%2C15%2C385&iProductID=821&bShopOnline=1>

But isn't it a bit ridiculous to buy a bike to get a coffee mug?

http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/urban/soho/soho/

And whatever happened to the coffee shop ride? I always thought it
was the American version of the Brit's tea shop rides, although the
Brits sometimes seem to ride to more than one shop in a day's ride.

Pat

Email address works as is.

[Paul M. Hobson[_2_]]

Patrick Lamb wrote:
> OK, I can see the advertising power of a bicycle-branded coffee cup:
>
> <http://store.trekbikes.com/jump.jsp?itemID=821&itemType=PRODUCT&path=1%2C2%2C15%2C385&iProductID=821&bShopOnline=1>
>
> But isn't it a bit ridiculous to buy a bike to get a coffee mug?
>
> http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/urban/soho/soho/

It it weren't so damn ugly, that'd be a damn cool bike!

--
Paul M. Hobson
..:change the f to ph to reply:.

[Dane Buson]

nmp > wrote:
> Paul M. Hobson wrote:
>
>> Patrick Lamb wrote:
>
> [..]
>
>>> http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/urban/soho/soho/
>>
>> It it weren't so damn ugly, that'd be a damn cool bike!
>
> What is so ugly about it? I like it.

It's kind of battleship grey? And I'm not fond of flat bars for
anything other than straight MTBs. It's not the ugliest bike I've seen
admittedly - even today.

http://www.fixedgeargallery.com/2008/nov/3/OlliErkkila.htm

--
Dane Buson -
I have a rock garden. Last week three of them died.
-- Richard Diran

[DennisTheBald]

I don't think the coffee cup is the big draw...
It's the belt and the roller brakes. They just killed my two biggest
maintenance tasks. I guess I'll spend the recovered time drinking
coffee (or tea - does it really take a different cup?)

[[email protected]]

On Nov 20, 3:39*pm, Dane Buson > wrote:
> nmp > wrote:
> > Paul M. Hobson wrote:
>
> >> Patrick Lamb wrote:
>
> > [..]
>
> >>>http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/urban/soho/soho/
>
> >> It it weren't so damn ugly, that'd be a damn cool bike!
>
> > What is so ugly about it? I like it.
>
> It's kind of battleship grey? *And I'm not fond of flat bars for
> anything other than straight MTBs. *It's not the ugliest bike I've seen
> admittedly - even today.
>
> http://www.fixedgeargallery.com/2008/nov/3/OlliErkkila.htm
>
> --
> Dane Buson -
> I have a rock garden. *Last week three of them died.
> * * * * * * * * -- Richard Diran

Man, that is a shame. Dude went through the trouble to custom build
(assuming he's not full of it) a frame that'd take some real nice wide
snow/sand tires, and it ended up like that in the end? Man... rough
deal. I'd love a bike that'd take tires that wide, especially
something I built myself. I'd rather pay for 3 Pugsleys than ride
that thing though.

[Tom Sherman[_2_]]

"nmp" wrote:
> Paul M. Hobson wrote:
>
>> Patrick Lamb wrote:
>
> [..]
>
>>> http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/urban/soho/soho/
>> It it weren't so damn ugly, that'd be a damn cool bike!
>
> What is so ugly about it? I like it.

Silly not to have a generator hub. Real commuters typically need to ride
in the dark from late fall to early spring. Otherwise, a perfectly
sensible city bike, which is good to see from a large and high profile
US manufacturer.

--
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
If you are not a part of the solution, you are a part of the precipitate.

[[email protected]]

Too short cutsteer tube so the handlebars willbe too low. $1000 for
an urban cruiser?


On Nov 20, 9:18*am, nmp > wrote:
> Paul M. Hobson wrote:
> > Patrick Lamb wrote:
>
> [..]
>
> >>http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/urban/soho/soho/
>
> > It it weren't so damn ugly, that'd be a damn cool bike!
>
> What is so ugly about it? I like it.

[Paul M. Hobson[_2_]]

Tom Sherman wrote:
> "nmp" wrote:
>> Paul M. Hobson wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick Lamb wrote:
>>
>> [..]
>>
>>>> http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/urban/soho/soho/
>>> It it weren't so damn ugly, that'd be a damn cool bike!
>>
>> What is so ugly about it? I like it.
>
> Silly not to have a generator hub. Real commuters typically need to ride
> in the dark from late fall to early spring. Otherwise, a perfectly
> sensible city bike, which is good to see from a large and high profile
> US manufacturer.
>

I just don't like the shape of the tubes. Too racy for me. What's
wrong with circular cross sections?

Drop outs are interesting though.

--
Paul M. Hobson
..:change the f to ph to reply:.

[Luigi de Guzman]

On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:09:16 -0800, DennisTheBald wrote:

> I don't think the coffee cup is the big draw... It's the belt and the
> roller brakes. They just killed my two biggest maintenance tasks. I
> guess I'll spend the recovered time drinking coffee (or tea - does it
> really take a different cup?)

The belt? really? Surely they could have gone a bit more conventional
and used a regular chain with a full chaincase. Not so impressive, yeah,
but I imagine cheaper.

I'd just as soon get a Flying Pigeon and rebuild the rear wheel to take a
sturmey-archer AWC 3-speed coaster-brake hub.

-L



--
Luigi de Guzman
http://ouij.livejournal.com

[landotter]

On Nov 20, 8:43*pm, wrote:
> Too short cutsteer tube so the handlebars willbe too low. *$1000 for
> an urban cruiser?

No, for transportation. What's with this "cruiser" word? Looks a lot
like my last city bike with one more gear and an additional roller
brake. Bars are exactly where they want to be for an athletic cyclist.
It's still upright. Price is very fair considering the spec. Add a
rack and that's a perfect urban scoot.

[[email protected]]

There is NO adjustability of the bars- for a few people the bars may
be at a good height. For most they will be too low. The market they
are selling to want a comfortable non racy position

On Nov 20, 11:12*pm, landotter > wrote:
> On Nov 20, 8:43*pm, wrote:
>
> > Too short cutsteer tube so the handlebars willbe too low. *$1000 for
> > an urban cruiser?
>
> No, for transportation. What's with this "cruiser" word? Looks a lot
> like my last city bike with one more gear and an additional roller
> brake. Bars are exactly where they want to be for an athletic cyclist.
> It's still upright. Price is very fair considering the spec. Add a
> rack and that's a perfect urban scoot.

[[email protected]]

On Nov 21, 6:48*am, nmp > wrote:
> bigjimpack wrote:
> > On Nov 20, 11:12*pm, landotter > wrote:
> >> On Nov 20, 8:43*pm, wrote:
>
> >> > Too short cutsteer tube so the handlebars willbe too low. *$1000 for
> >> > an urban cruiser?
>
> >> No, for transportation. What's with this "cruiser" word? Looks a lot
> >> like my last city bike with one more gear and an additional roller
> >> brake. Bars are exactly where they want to be for an athletic cyclist.
> >> It's still upright. Price is very fair considering the spec. Add a rack
> >> and that's a perfect urban scoot.
> > There is NO adjustability of the bars- for a few people the bars may be
> > at a good height. *For most they will be too low. *The market they are
> > selling to want a comfortable non racy *position
>
> The bike we are talking about is marketed as an "Urban Assault Vehicle",
> i.e. not a comfortable grocery getter. I think the name is quite silly,
> but it does give a hint of a sturdy bicycle that will be used for fast
> and agressive riding.

<snip>

That thing, urban assault? When I think urban assault I think
dropping off walls, bombing down staircases, maybe stopping by the
skate park. I don't think that thing would last for 1 nigth of "urban
assault".

[[email protected]]

On Nov 21, 2:17*pm, nmp > wrote:
> wrote:
> > On Nov 21, 6:48*am, nmp > wrote:
>
> [..]
>
> >> The bike we are talking about is marketed as an "Urban Assault
> >> Vehicle", i.e. not a comfortable grocery getter. I think the name is
> >> quite silly, but it does give a hint of a sturdy bicycle that will be
> >> used for fast and agressive riding.
>
> > <snip>
>
> > That thing, urban assault? *When I think urban assault I think dropping
> > off walls, bombing down staircases, maybe stopping by the skate park. *I
> > don't think that thing would last for 1 nigth of "urban assault".
>
> I had no idea that silly phrase had such a specific meaning to anyone. In
> my ears it is just a "cool" sounding marketing blurb. You know, that's
> what marketing people do. Perhaps I was associating the title with some
> sort of military vehicle. In the way one would expect the marketing
> people to describe a bicycle as a "Leopard tank" or something.
>
> Oh well.

I first heard it at a bike shop, and it was not something they sold,
it was something one of the shop guys had built. He said something
like "this is my urban assault bike" and I said something like "wait,
your what?" He then explained what he meant, and I said "oh. I've
got a bike that would kinda work for that stuff, but it sounds more
like my city runs on the BMX". He basically told me his was the adult
equivalent of a BMX. I've since met quite a few people with "urban
assault" bikes, and they all have prettymuch the same definition.
Depending on who I'm going out on an "urban assault" with, I grab my
BMX or my hardtail MTB. 90% BMX, since I can’t hurt that monster.

From what I can tell "urban assault" riding is, to everyone I know
that uses the term, what "street riding" is for BMXers only toned down
a couple notches and without the pegs. Incidentally, the "urban
assault" guys tend to be amazed by pretty trivial BMX stuff, like
jumping 1/2 way down a flight of stairs and riding the rest out or peg
stalls. I've tried convincing many of them that the stair jump would
be much easier with their bigger wheels, but as of yet nobody has said
"oh, that makes sense" and gone for it. Spending some time at skate
parks and thinking back on the better kids I used to BMX with, I've
yet to be impressed by anyone's "urban assault" riding.

Come to think of it, "urban assault" might just be "riding street" for
people who are no good on the 20", and don't care or don’t have the
ability to learn. Not that I’m very good on a 20”, but I can
certainly do a whole lot more than the “urban assault” guys I know.
Reflecting on the amount of stitches and broken bones I got acquiring
my mediocre-at-best 20” street riding skill level, I suppose I can see
why grown adults would prefer an “urban assault” than the 20” street
riding learning curve.

[Dane Buson]

> wrote:
> On Nov 20, 3:39*pm, Dane Buson > wrote:
>>
>> It's kind of battleship grey? *And I'm not fond of flat bars for
>> anything other than straight MTBs. *It's not the ugliest bike I've seen
>> admittedly - even today.
>>
>> http://www.fixedgeargallery.com/2008/nov/3/OlliErkkila.htm
>
> Man, that is a shame. Dude went through the trouble to custom build
> (assuming he's not full of it) a frame that'd take some real nice wide
> snow/sand tires, and it ended up like that in the end? Man... rough
> deal. I'd love a bike that'd take tires that wide, especially
> something I built myself. I'd rather pay for 3 Pugsleys than ride
> that thing though.

The pugsleys are fun to ride. A couple of my friends have them. But
not really my sort of thing I guess. I'll admit to being somewhat of a
speed junky.

--
Dane Buson -
"There is only one honest impulse at the bottom of Puritanical
religion, and that is the impulse to punish the man with a
superior capacity for happiness." -H. L. Mencken

[[email protected]]

This is what ****es me off about the threadless thing- Why cant bike
makers ship the steer tubes uncut (or at least a couple inclhes
longer) to allow easy customization.


On Nov 21, 6:48*am, nmp > wrote:
> bigjimpack wrote:
> > On Nov 20, 11:12*pm, landotter > wrote:
> >> On Nov 20, 8:43*pm, wrote:
>
> >> > Too short cutsteer tube so the handlebars willbe too low. *$1000 for
> >> > an urban cruiser?
>
> >> No, for transportation. What's with this "cruiser" word? Looks a lot
> >> like my last city bike with one more gear and an additional roller
> >> brake. Bars are exactly where they want to be for an athletic cyclist.
> >> It's still upright. Price is very fair considering the spec. Add a rack
> >> and that's a perfect urban scoot.
> > There is NO adjustability of the bars- for a few people the bars may be
> > at a good height. *For most they will be too low. *The market they are
> > selling to want a comfortable non racy *position
>
> The bike we are talking about is marketed as an "Urban Assault Vehicle",
> i.e. not a comfortable grocery getter. I think the name is quite silly,
> but it does give a hint of a sturdy bicycle that will be used for fast
> and agressive riding.
>
> If still needed, any hobbyist could swap the stem for an adjustable one
> in about 5 minutes. Have you ever *not* modified a bike you bought to
> make it fit or suit you better?

[Dane Buson]

nmp > wrote:
> Dane Buson wrote:
>
>> It's kind of battleship grey?
>
> Yes, lovely. I might do my next bike in that colour.
>
>> And I'm not fond of flat bars for anything other than straight MTBs.
>> It's not the ugliest bike I've seen admittedly - even today.
>>
>> http://www.fixedgeargallery.com/2008/nov/3/OlliErkkila.htm
>
> I think we can assume that one is not even meant to be pretty... It aims
> to impress in another way :)

Hey, it takes all kinds of folks. If it makes him happy. I'd even
enjoy a quick spin around the block on it. I just think I'd want to
ride it very far.

> But the forward-sloping top tube is ridiculous, yes. He should have kept
> it horizontal.
>
> I wonder about the tyres and rims. Are they motorcycle parts?

I'm assuming it's the Large Marge / Endomorph stuff from Surly:

http://surlybikes.com/parts/largemarge_pop.html
http://surlybikes.com/pugsley.html

--
Dane Buson -
X windows. Even your dog won't like it.

[[email protected]]

On Nov 21, 3:30*pm, wrote:
> This is what ****es me off about the threadless thing- Why cant bike
> makers ship the steer tubes uncut (or at least a couple inclhes
> longer) to allow easy customization.
>
> On Nov 21, 6:48*am, nmp > wrote:
>
>
>
> > bigjimpack wrote:
> > > On Nov 20, 11:12*pm, landotter > wrote:
> > >> On Nov 20, 8:43*pm, wrote:
>
> > >> > Too short cutsteer tube so the handlebars willbe too low. *$1000 for
> > >> > an urban cruiser?
>
> > >> No, for transportation. What's with this "cruiser" word? Looks a lot
> > >> like my last city bike with one more gear and an additional roller
> > >> brake. Bars are exactly where they want to be for an athletic cyclist.

[Tom Keats]

In article >,
" > writes:
> On Nov 21, 2:17=A0pm, nmp > wrote:
>> wrote:
>> > On Nov 21, 6:48=A0am, nmp > wrote:
>>
>> [..]
>>
>> >> The bike we are talking about is marketed as an "Urban Assault
>> >> Vehicle", i.e. not a comfortable grocery getter. I think the name is
>> >> quite silly, but it does give a hint of a sturdy bicycle that will be
>> >> used for fast and agressive riding.
>>
>> > <snip>
>>
>> > That thing, urban assault? =A0When I think urban assault I think droppi=
> ng
>> > off walls, bombing down staircases, maybe stopping by the skate park. =
> =A0I
>> > don't think that thing would last for 1 nigth of "urban assault".
>>
>> I had no idea that silly phrase had such a specific meaning to anyone. In
>> my ears it is just a "cool" sounding marketing blurb. You know, that's
>> what marketing people do. Perhaps I was associating the title with some
>> sort of military vehicle. In the way one would expect the marketing
>> people to describe a bicycle as a "Leopard tank" or something.
>>
>> Oh well.
>
> I first heard it at a bike shop, and it was not something they sold,
> it was something one of the shop guys had built. He said something
> like "this is my urban assault bike" and I said something like "wait,
> your what?" He then explained what he meant, and I said "oh. I've
> got a bike that would kinda work for that stuff, but it sounds more
> like my city runs on the BMX". He basically told me his was the adult
> equivalent of a BMX. I've since met quite a few people with "urban
> assault" bikes, and they all have prettymuch the same definition.
> Depending on who I'm going out on an "urban assault" with, I grab my
> BMX or my hardtail MTB. 90% BMX, since I can=92t hurt that monster.
>
> From what I can tell "urban assault" riding is, to everyone I know
> that uses the term, what "street riding" is for BMXers only toned down
> a couple notches and without the pegs. Incidentally, the "urban
> assault" guys tend to be amazed by pretty trivial BMX stuff, like
> jumping 1/2 way down a flight of stairs and riding the rest out or peg
> stalls. I've tried convincing many of them that the stair jump would
> be much easier with their bigger wheels, but as of yet nobody has said
> "oh, that makes sense" and gone for it. Spending some time at skate
> parks and thinking back on the better kids I used to BMX with, I've
> yet to be impressed by anyone's "urban assault" riding.
>
> Come to think of it, "urban assault" might just be "riding street" for
> people who are no good on the 20", and don't care or don=92t have the
> ability to learn. Not that I=92m very good on a 20=94, but I can
> certainly do a whole lot more than the =93urban assault=94 guys I know.
> Reflecting on the amount of stitches and broken bones I got acquiring
> my mediocre-at-best 20=94 street riding skill level, I suppose I can see
> why grown adults would prefer an =93urban assault=94 than the 20=94 street
> riding learning curve.

The first time I heard (or rather, read) the phrase:
"Urban Assault Vehicle" was around '96/'97, in a
Trek catalog. Words like "grind" or "shred" weren't
used. It was just implied the bike would do all that
stuff for you, and all you've gotta do is buy the bike
and look like the guy in the glossy photos.

If you wanna see some really superb Street, look up
Chris (Kris?) Holm, if you're not already aware of
him -- chances are, you indeed are.

But anyway, he's renowned for his off-road freeride antics,
but his Street and Flatland stylings are simply astounding.
And he does it all on a unicycle. Maybe unicycles are the
paradigm of Urban Assault Vehicles.


cheers,
Tom

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

[Chalo]

Dane Buson wrote:
>
> nmp wrote:
> >
> > Dane Buson wrote:
> >>
> >> It's kind of battleship grey?
> >
> > Yes, lovely. I might do my next bike in that colour.
> >
> >> And I'm not fond of flat bars for anything other than straight MTBs.
> >> It's not the ugliest bike I've seen admittedly - even today.
> >>
> >>http://www.fixedgeargallery.com/2008/nov/3/OlliErkkila.htm
> >
> > I think we can assume that one is not even meant to be pretty... It aims
> > to impress in another way :)
>
> Hey, it takes all kinds of folks. *If it makes him happy. *I'd even
> enjoy a quick spin around the block on it. *I just think I'd want to
> ride it very far.
>
> > But the forward-sloping top tube is ridiculous, yes. He should have kept
> > it horizontal.
> >
> > I wonder about the tyres and rims. Are they motorcycle parts?
>
> I'm assuming it's the Large Marge / Endomorph stuff from Surly:
>
> http://surlybikes.com/parts/largemarge_pop.htmlhttp://surlybikes.com/pugsley.html

Nope. Olli says the rims are by Rigida. They might be motorcycle
parts; they sure look it and I'd not be surprised to find that
20" (ISO 507) is an available M/C rim size. The tires are 24 x
3" (75-507) Nokian Gazzaloddis-- I had my own custom MTB frame
designed with the 26 x 3" size in mind, long before Endomorph was even
a gleam in his obese daddy's eye. Gazzaloddis are _much_ knobbier,
stiffer, and heavier than Endomorphs. They were designed for downhill
MTB racing. They are a bitch to mount and frankly, a bitch to ride on
too.

Appropriately stupid-wide rims that make Large Marge look svelte are
available here:

http://www.choppersus.com/store/category/3/71/Rims-Only/

Chalo

[Chalo]

wrote:
>
> Too short cutsteer tube so the handlebars willbe too low. *$1000 for
> an urban cruiser?
>
> > >>http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/urban/soho/soho/

Then mentally add BMX bars, man. It would look much more badass that
way anyway.

Chalo

[[email protected]]

On Nov 21, 9:02*pm, (Tom Keats) wrote:
> In article >,
> * * * * " > writes:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 21, 2:17=A0pm, nmp > wrote:
> >> wrote:
> >> > On Nov 21, 6:48=A0am, nmp > wrote:
>
> >> [..]
>
> >> >> The bike we are talking about is marketed as an "Urban Assault
> >> >> Vehicle", i.e. not a comfortable grocery getter. I think the name is
> >> >> quite silly, but it does give a hint of a sturdy bicycle that will be
> >> >> used for fast and agressive riding.
>
> >> > <snip>
>
> >> > That thing, urban assault? =A0When I think urban assault I think droppi=
> > ng
> >> > off walls, bombing down staircases, maybe stopping by the skate park.. =
> > =A0I
> >> > don't think that thing would last for 1 nigth of "urban assault".
>
> >> I had no idea that silly phrase had such a specific meaning to anyone. In
> >> my ears it is just a "cool" sounding marketing blurb. You know, that's
> >> what marketing people do. Perhaps I was associating the title with some
> >> sort of military vehicle. In the way one would expect the marketing
> >> people to describe a bicycle as a "Leopard tank" or something.
>
> >> Oh well.
>
> > I first heard it at a bike shop, and it was not something they sold,
> > it was something one of the shop guys had built. *He said something
> > like "this is my urban assault bike" and I said something like "wait,
> > your what?" *He then explained what he meant, and I said "oh. *I've
> > got a bike that would kinda work for that stuff, but it sounds more
> > like my city runs on the BMX". *He basically told me his was the adult
> > equivalent of a BMX. *I've since met quite a few people with "urban
> > assault" bikes, and they all have prettymuch the same definition.
> > Depending on who I'm going out on an "urban assault" with, I grab my
> > BMX or my hardtail MTB. *90% BMX, since I can=92t hurt that monster..
>
> > From what I can tell "urban assault" riding is, to everyone I know
> > that uses the term, what "street riding" is for BMXers only toned down
> > a couple notches and without the pegs. *Incidentally, the "urban
> > assault" guys tend to be amazed by pretty trivial BMX stuff, like
> > jumping 1/2 way down a flight of stairs and riding the rest out or peg
> > stalls. *I've tried convincing many of them that the stair jump would
> > be much easier with their bigger wheels, but as of yet nobody has said
> > "oh, that makes sense" and gone for it. *Spending some time at skate
> > parks and thinking back on the better kids I used to BMX with, I've
> > yet to be impressed by anyone's "urban assault" riding.
>
> > Come to think of it, "urban assault" might just be "riding street" for
> > people who are no good on the 20", and don't care or don=92t have the
> > ability to learn. *Not that I=92m very good on a 20=94, but I can
> > certainly do a whole lot more than the =93urban assault=94 guys I know.
> > Reflecting on the amount of stitches and broken bones I got acquiring
> > my mediocre-at-best 20=94 street riding skill level, I suppose I can see
> > why grown adults would prefer an =93urban assault=94 than the 20=94 street
> > riding learning curve.
>
> The first time I heard (or rather, read) the phrase:
> "Urban Assault Vehicle" was around '96/'97, in a
> Trek catalog. *Words like "grind" or "shred" weren't
> used. *It was just implied the bike would do all that
> stuff for you, and all you've gotta do is buy the bike
> and look like the guy in the glossy photos.
>
> If you wanna see some really superb Street, look up
> Chris (Kris?) Holm, if you're not already aware of
> him -- chances are, you indeed are.
>
> But anyway, he's renowned for his off-road freeride antics,
> but his Street and Flatland stylings are simply astounding.
> And he does it all on a unicycle. *Maybe unicycles are the
> paradigm of Urban Assault Vehicles.
>
> cheers,
> * * * * Tom
>
> --
> Nothing is safe from me.
> I'm really at:
> tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

You're correct on all counts. I am familiar, and he is nasty. Some
of that uni stuff is pretty sick. Personally I like bikes with 2
wheels, even if I'm only using 1 at a time.

[Tom Keats]

In article >,
Zoot Katz > writes:
> On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:02:56 -0800, (Tom
> Keats) wrote:
>
>>If you wanna see some really superb Street, look up
>>Chris (Kris?) Holm, if you're not already aware of
>>him -- chances are, you indeed are.
>
> Kris Holm is our local whacko who does, on one wheel, the crazy kinda
> **** our other local whacko, Ryan Leech, does on two.

Heh heh heh! :-) :-) :-)

I guess it's not all happening at The Zoo, after all.
Some of it happens in other places.

"I wish I was in Tiajuana
eating barbqued iguana ..."

Actually I'd rather be in Katmandu, eating
something-or-other vindaloo. Or anything with
masala gravy on it. Or be in Jakarta, sinking
dark-&-stormies. Anything to escape the
upcoming bleak months. I /so/ detest winter.


cheers,
Tom

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

[Dane Buson]

Chalo > wrote:
> Dane Buson wrote:
>>
>> nmp wrote:
>> >
>> > Dane Buson wrote:
>>
>> I'm assuming it's the Large Marge / Endomorph stuff from Surly:
>>
>> http://surlybikes.com/parts/largemarge_pop.htmlhttp://surlybikes.com/pugsley.html
>
> Nope. Olli says the rims are by Rigida. They might be motorcycle
> parts; they sure look it and I'd not be surprised to find that
> 20" (ISO 507) is an available M/C rim size.

I suppose that's what I get for only glancing at the page.

> The tires are 24 x 3" (75-507) Nokian Gazzaloddis-- I had my own
> custom MTB frame designed with the 26 x 3" size in mind, long before
> Endomorph was even a gleam in his obese daddy's eye. Gazzaloddis are
> _much_ knobbier, stiffer, and heavier than Endomorphs. They were
> designed for downhill MTB racing. They are a bitch to mount and
> frankly, a bitch to ride on too.
>
> Appropriately stupid-wide rims that make Large Marge look svelte are
> available here:
>
> http://www.choppersus.com/store/category/3/71/Rims-Only/

So other than riding on sand and snow and riding straight *up* curbs,
what's the appeal of the ludicrously wide tires? I mean, I'm sure some
people are doing the things I mentioned, but is the rest a style thing?

--
Dane Buson -
If you don't have a nasty obituary you probably didn't matter.
-- Freeman Dyson

[Dane Buson]

Chalo > wrote:
> wrote:
>>
>> Too short cutsteer tube so the handlebars willbe too low. *$1000 for
>> an urban cruiser?
>>
>> > >>http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/urban/soho/soho/
>
> Then mentally add BMX bars, man. It would look much more badass that
> way anyway.

I'd go fredlier and put butterfly touring bars or something. Though if
I was going for badass I'd probably put on a pair of H-bars. They're
functional, but look a bit different and kind of stand out. A quick
search only shows Jonesbikes' version (at $500). I'm pretty sure I saw
some elsewhere for *much* cheaper.

--
Dane Buson -
"Never hit a man with glasses; hit him with your fist."

[[email protected]]

On Nov 24, 2:39*pm, Dane Buson > wrote:
> Chalo > wrote:
> > Dane Buson wrote:
>
> >> nmp wrote:
>
> >> > Dane Buson wrote:
>
> >> I'm assuming it's the Large Marge / Endomorph stuff from Surly:
>
> >>http://surlybikes.com/parts/largemarge_pop.htmlhttp://surlybikes.com/....
>
> > Nope. *Olli says the rims are by Rigida. *They might be motorcycle
> > parts; they sure look it and I'd not be surprised to find that
> > 20" (ISO 507) is an available M/C rim size.
>
> I suppose that's what I get for only glancing at the page.
>
> > *The tires are 24 x 3" (75-507) Nokian Gazzaloddis-- I had my own
> > *custom MTB frame designed with the 26 x 3" size in mind, long before
> > *Endomorph was even a gleam in his obese daddy's eye. *Gazzaloddis are
> > *_much_ knobbier, stiffer, and heavier than Endomorphs. *They were
> > *designed for downhill MTB racing. *They are a bitch to mount and
> > *frankly, a bitch to ride on too.
>
> > Appropriately stupid-wide rims that make Large Marge look svelte are
> > available here:
>
> >http://www.choppersus.com/store/category/3/71/Rims-Only/
>
> So other than riding on sand and snow and riding straight *up* curbs,
> what's the appeal of the ludicrously wide tires? *I mean, I'm sure some
> people are doing the things I mentioned, but is the rest a style thing?
>
> --
> Dane Buson -
> If you don't have a nasty obituary you probably didn't matter.
> * * * * * * * * -- Freeman Dyson

The only reasons I've heard people using them is for snow and sand.
Since I spend quite a bit of time around both, I wouldn't mind one -
but those are the only things I'd use it for.

[Chalo]

Dane Buson wrote:
>
> Chalo wrote:
> >
> > Appropriately stupid-wide rims that make Large Marge look svelte are
> > available here:
>
> >http://www.choppersus.com/store/category/3/71/Rims-Only/
>
> So other than riding on sand and snow and riding straight *up* curbs,
> what's the appeal of the ludicrously wide tires? *

It's the simplest suspension ever. I use 26 x 3" tires on my MTB for
that reason.

Fat tires tolerate high weights better than narrower tires.

Fat tires offer much better traction on any surface than narrower
tires inflated to offer the same ride firmness.

Fat tires have less rolling resistance at a given pressure than
narrower tires of equal construction. (They also have a harder ride
at the same pressure.)

They don't sink into soft surfaces (as you point out), but they also
are much gentler than narrow tires on damage-prone surfaces like
grass.

Fat tires are just plain fun and bouncy.

> I mean, I'm sure some
> people are doing the things I mentioned, but is the rest a style thing?

At choppersus.com? I would expect so.

Chalo

[Dane Buson]

Tom Keats > wrote:
> In article >,
> Zoot Katz > writes:
>> On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:02:56 -0800, (Tom
>> Keats) wrote:
>>
>>>If you wanna see some really superb Street, look up
>>>Chris (Kris?) Holm, if you're not already aware of
>>>him -- chances are, you indeed are.
>>
>> Kris Holm is our local whacko who does, on one wheel, the crazy kinda
>> **** our other local whacko, Ryan Leech, does on two.
>
> Heh heh heh! :-) :-) :-)
>
> I guess it's not all happening at The Zoo, after all.
> Some of it happens in other places.
>
> "I wish I was in Tiajuana
> eating barbqued iguana ..."

I've often wondered how that would taste...

> Actually I'd rather be in Katmandu, eating
> something-or-other vindaloo. Or anything with
> masala gravy on it. Or be in Jakarta, sinking
> dark-&-stormies. Anything to escape the
> upcoming bleak months. I /so/ detest winter.

Awwww, the winter's not so bad. But it does cut into the picnic with a
blanket sort of dates, which has been vexing me.

Also, mmmmmm, vindaloo.

--
Dane Buson -
"The genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut
stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us
wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them
which we are missing." -Gamal Abdel Nasser

[Dane Buson]

Luigi de Guzman > wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:09:16 -0800, DennisTheBald wrote:
>
>> I don't think the coffee cup is the big draw... It's the belt and the
>> roller brakes. They just killed my two biggest maintenance tasks. I
>> guess I'll spend the recovered time drinking coffee (or tea - does it
>> really take a different cup?)
>
> The belt? really? Surely they could have gone a bit more conventional
> and used a regular chain with a full chaincase. Not so impressive, yeah,
> but I imagine cheaper.

I really need to build/buy a bike with a full chain-case. Of course, I
should get rid of some of the crud in my garage first. And finish a
couple other bike projects...

> I'd just as soon get a Flying Pigeon and rebuild the rear wheel to take a
> sturmey-archer AWC 3-speed coaster-brake hub.

For Seattle I'd probably substitute the SA 8 speed. It would probably
make a suitable 'guest bike' then.

--
Dane Buson -
"The chief obstacle to the progress of the human race
is the human race." -Don Marquis

[Dennis Ferguson]

On 2008-11-24, Dane Buson > wrote:
> Tom Keats > wrote:
>> "I wish I was in Tiajuana
>> eating barbqued iguana ..."
>
> I've often wondered how that would taste...

I've eaten it curried (that's what happens when you spend
time in Mexico with people from the West Indies). It has
a lot on bones but is pretty tasty.

Dennis Ferguson

[[email protected]]

On Nov 24, 5:59*pm, Dane Buson > wrote:
> Awwww, the winter's not so bad. *But it does cut into the picnic with a
> blanket sort of dates, which has been vexing me. *

It doesn't have to. Many a woman will enjoy the hike through the snow
to a scenic vista, a fire, a bottle of something nice to drink and a
snack. It's yet to snow here this season, but I find that routine to
be a relaxing escape from the norm, as have some of my dates. The
hike, the clear skies of a winter night (seems there are more stars
and you can see farther), the views from a nice overlook, scavenging
for dry wood, and staying close by the fire - it all makes for quite
the evening. Rivals summer in some ways, although I wouldn't trade
summer for winter by any means. Bring trash bags to lay out under the
blankets to keep them dry, and plan on a couple layers of blanket so
the cold doesn't penetrate right through. One of those U-haul
furniture moving blankets makes a good base layer over the trash bags,
and is nice and compact to pack up. A soft warm blanket over that and
you're set.


Building the fire. Hard to tell but right past me is the drop off the
side of the mountain. Killer view, but we couldn't get it with the
camera.
http://tinyurl.com/56b2q9

Fire
http://tinyurl.com/64r3b8

More Fire
http://tinyurl.com/5s3jnd

[Luigi de Guzman]

On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:04:23 -0800, Dane Buson wrote:

> Luigi de Guzman > wrote:
>> On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:09:16 -0800, DennisTheBald wrote:
>>
>>> I don't think the coffee cup is the big draw... It's the belt and the
>>> roller brakes. They just killed my two biggest maintenance tasks. I
>>> guess I'll spend the recovered time drinking coffee (or tea - does it
>>> really take a different cup?)
>>
>> The belt? really? Surely they could have gone a bit more conventional
>> and used a regular chain with a full chaincase. Not so impressive,
>> yeah, but I imagine cheaper.
>
> I really need to build/buy a bike with a full chain-case. Of course, I
> should get rid of some of the crud in my garage first. And finish a
> couple other bike projects...
>
>> I'd just as soon get a Flying Pigeon and rebuild the rear wheel to take
>> a sturmey-archer AWC 3-speed coaster-brake hub.
>
> For Seattle I'd probably substitute the SA 8 speed. It would probably
> make a suitable 'guest bike' then.

you *do* know that the LOW gear on the S-A 8 speed is direct drive,
right?



--
Luigi de Guzman
http://ouij.livejournal.com

[Dane Buson]

Luigi de Guzman > wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:04:23 -0800, Dane Buson wrote:
>> Luigi de Guzman > wrote:
>>
>>> I'd just as soon get a Flying Pigeon and rebuild the rear wheel to take
>>> a sturmey-archer AWC 3-speed coaster-brake hub.
>>
>> For Seattle I'd probably substitute the SA 8 speed. It would probably
>> make a suitable 'guest bike' then.
>
> you *do* know that the LOW gear on the S-A 8 speed is direct drive,
> right?

Hmmm, now that you mention it, I do recall reading something like that.
Maybe a SRAM 7 speed then. IIRC the middle gear is direct drive on
that.

--
Dane Buson -
PHB: "According to M$ Project, your utilization level is 1850%."
CS: "You mean I have a load average of 18.5?" -- Charlie Stross

[Dane Buson]

> wrote:
> On Nov 24, 5:59*pm, Dane Buson > wrote:
>> Awwww, the winter's not so bad. *But it does cut into the picnic with a
>> blanket sort of dates, which has been vexing me. *
>
> It doesn't have to. Many a woman will enjoy the hike through the snow
> to a scenic vista, a fire, a bottle of something nice to drink and a
> snack. It's yet to snow here this season, but I find that routine to
> be a relaxing escape from the norm, as have some of my dates. The
> hike, the clear skies of a winter night (seems there are more stars
> and you can see farther), the views from a nice overlook, scavenging
> for dry wood, and staying close by the fire - it all makes for quite
> the evening. Rivals summer in some ways, although I wouldn't trade
> summer for winter by any means. Bring trash bags to lay out under the
> blankets to keep them dry, and plan on a couple layers of blanket so
> the cold doesn't penetrate right through. One of those U-haul
> furniture moving blankets makes a good base layer over the trash bags,
> and is nice and compact to pack up. A soft warm blanket over that and
> you're set.

/me takes notes

I actually know a number of good spots in the city for a fire. My elite
bicycle hobo brethren make a practice of building a fire whenever we can
find an excuse to. I'm not sure how many are romantic, I'll have to
give it some consideration.

> Building the fire. Hard to tell but right past me is the drop off the
> side of the mountain. Killer view, but we couldn't get it with the
> camera.
> http://tinyurl.com/56b2q9
>
> Fire
> http://tinyurl.com/64r3b8
>
> More Fire
> http://tinyurl.com/5s3jnd

*cough* Among other earthly delights in the album.

/grin

--
Dane Buson -
The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of
altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their
views ... which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the
facts that needs altering.
-- Doctor Who, "Face of Evil"

[Dane Buson]

Tom Sherman > wrote:
> Dane Buson wrote:
>> [...]
>> I really need to build/buy a bike with a full chain-case. Of course, I
>> should get rid of some of the crud in my garage first. And finish a
>> couple other bike projects...
>> [...]
>
> When you feel your garage is too cluttered with bike stuff, take a look
> at these:
> <http://www.outsideconnection.com/gallant/hpv/joe/Mvc-035s.jpg>,
> <http://www.outsideconnection.com/gallant/hpv/joe/Mvc-040s.jpg>,
> <http://www.outsideconnection.com/gallant/hpv/joe/Mvc-037s.jpg>,
> <http://www.outsideconnection.com/gallant/hpv/joe/Mvc-038s.jpg>,
> <http://www.outsideconnection.com/gallant/hpv/joe/Mvc-039s.jpg>,
> <http://www.outsideconnection.com/gallant/hpv/joe/Mvc-036s.jpg>.

Hey, just because someone is *loonier* than I am, doesn't make my
afflication less severe. It just means they'll point and make sidelong
glances and comments about him first. Besides I know plenty of people
who are worse than me, some delightfully so.

I do congratulate him on his optimization of packing fractions though.

--
Dane Buson -
Arithmetic:
An obscure art no longer practiced in the world's developed countries.

[Dane Buson]

Dennis Ferguson > wrote:
> On 2008-11-24, Dane Buson > wrote:
>> Tom Keats > wrote:
>>> "I wish I was in Tiajuana
>>> eating barbqued iguana ..."
>>
>> I've often wondered how that would taste...
>
> I've eaten it curried (that's what happens when you spend
> time in Mexico with people from the West Indies). It has
> a lot on bones but is pretty tasty.

I really do need to get a passport now that border rules have become
sillier.

/sigh

--
Dane Buson -
"Americans are broad-minded people. They'll accept the fact that a
person can be an alcoholic, a dope fiend, a wife beater, and even a
newspaperman, but if a man doesn't drive there's something wrong with him."
Art Buchwald

[[email protected]]

On Nov 25, 2:29*am, Dane Buson > wrote:
> > wrote:
> > On Nov 24, 5:59*pm, Dane Buson > wrote:
> >> Awwww, the winter's not so bad. *But it does cut into the picnic with a
> >> blanket sort of dates, which has been vexing me. *
>
> > It doesn't have to. *Many a woman will enjoy the hike through the snow
> > to a scenic vista, a fire, a bottle of something nice to drink and a
> > snack. *It's yet to snow here this season, but I find that routine to
> > be a relaxing escape from the norm, as have some of my dates. *The
> > hike, the clear skies of a winter night (seems there are more stars
> > and you can see farther), the views from a nice overlook, scavenging
> > for dry wood, and staying close by the fire - it all makes for quite
> > the evening. *Rivals summer in some ways, although I wouldn't trade
> > summer for winter by any means. Bring trash bags to lay out under the
> > blankets to keep them dry, and plan on a couple layers of blanket so
> > the cold doesn't penetrate right through. *One of those U-haul
> > furniture moving blankets makes a good base layer over the trash bags,
> > and is nice and compact to pack up. *A soft warm blanket over that and
> > you're set.
>
> /me takes notes
>
> I actually know a number of good spots in the city for a fire. *My elite
> bicycle hobo brethren make a practice of building a fire whenever we can
> find an excuse to. *I'm not sure how many are romantic, I'll have to
> give it some consideration.

A half decent view and some privacy are all you need. Not sure what
city you're in, but maybe you could catch a train out of the city and
closer to a more rural area if you can't pull it off in the city?


> > Building the fire. *Hard to tell but right past me is the drop off the
> > side of the mountain. *Killer view, but we couldn't get it with the
> > camera.
> >http://tinyurl.com/56b2q9
>
> > Fire
> >http://tinyurl.com/64r3b8
>
> > More Fire
> >http://tinyurl.com/5s3jnd
>
> *cough* *Among other earthly delights in the album.
>
> /grin

Oops... lmao. That folder is labeled "private", and is not supposed
to show up except by direct link. I didn't think that by linking to
one or two pics it would allow others to see the entire album.
Whoops :)

[Tom Keats]

In article >,
Dane Buson > writes:

>> "I wish I was in Tiajuana
>> eating barbqued iguana ..."
>
> I've often wondered how that would taste...

I've heard that rattlesnake tastes somewhat like
chicken. So I figure iguana probably tastes
like rattlesnake.

>> Actually I'd rather be in Katmandu, eating
>> something-or-other vindaloo. Or anything with
>> masala gravy on it. Or be in Jakarta, sinking
>> dark-&-stormies. Anything to escape the
>> upcoming bleak months. I /so/ detest winter.
>
> Awwww, the winter's not so bad. But it does cut into the picnic with a
> blanket sort of dates, which has been vexing me.

I hate freezing my goods off.

Waiting for the bus to work at 5:30 AM in winter weather
is not my favourite passtime. Alas, my workplace is now
too far for cycle-commuting to be viable, and the public
transit is just a shade too convenient for multi-modal
commuting.

My monthly public transit fare passes cost me $136.oo/month,
and I feel compelled to squeeze every last drop of value out
of them. Even though I'm told I can submit them at tax return
time for a full rebate. Nevertheless I miss the warmth
provided by winter cycle-commuting. When I've had jobs
to which I could cycle-commute, I've marveled at observing
shivering cow-orkers huddling around space heaters in their
offices or cubicles when they arrive at work, and being
reluctant to doff their outdoor clothing.

> Also, mmmmmm, vindaloo.

At least winter's a good time for comfort food.
I'd like to concoct a pheasant vindaloo some time.

My local vindaloo provider always asks me: "Spicy,
or not so spicy?" I say: "Spicy." He always gives
me not-so-spicy anyway. I guess it's like that woman
at Pita House, who won't give me a Halifax donair,
because she thinks I wouldn't like it. And that
waitress at now-defunct Reuben's on Granville St,
who'd always bring me what she thought I needed,
instead of what I ordered.

It's nice, having people saving me from myself.

I suppose.


cheers,
Tom

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

[Tom Keats]

In article >,
" > writes:
> On Nov 24, 5:59*pm, Dane Buson > wrote:
>> Awwww, the winter's not so bad. *But it does cut into the picnic with a
>> blanket sort of dates, which has been vexing me. *
> It doesn't have to. Many a woman will enjoy the hike through the snow
> to a scenic vista, a fire, a bottle of something nice to drink and a
> snack. It's yet to snow here this season, but I find that routine to
> be a relaxing escape from the norm, as have some of my dates.

What's snow?

We get mud, puddles, and mud-puddles here.
Sometimes they're enormous and partially frozen.
They like to accumulate adjacent to bus stops,
so passing car drivers can merrily speed through
them and splash them onto folks waiting for the bus.

You just can't happily picnic in the midst of a
partially frozen body of water, unless you're
a narwhal or sumpthin'.


cheers,
Tom

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

[Tom Sherman[_3_]]

Dane Buson wrote:
> [...]
> I really need to build/buy a bike with a full chain-case. Of course, I
> should get rid of some of the crud in my garage first. And finish a
> couple other bike projects...
> [...]

When you feel your garage is too cluttered with bike stuff, take a look
at these:
<http://www.outsideconnection.com/gallant/hpv/joe/Mvc-035s.jpg>,
<http://www.outsideconnection.com/gallant/hpv/joe/Mvc-040s.jpg>,
<http://www.outsideconnection.com/gallant/hpv/joe/Mvc-037s.jpg>,
<http://www.outsideconnection.com/gallant/hpv/joe/Mvc-038s.jpg>,
<http://www.outsideconnection.com/gallant/hpv/joe/Mvc-039s.jpg>,
<http://www.outsideconnection.com/gallant/hpv/joe/Mvc-036s.jpg>.

--
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
If you are not a part of the solution, you are a part of the precipitate.

[Paul M. Hobson[_2_]]

Dane Buson wrote:
> > wrote:
>> On Nov 25, 2:29 am, Dane Buson > wrote:
>>> /me takes notes
>>>
>>> I actually know a number of good spots in the city for a fire. My elite
>>> bicycle hobo brethren make a practice of building a fire whenever we can
>>> find an excuse to. I'm not sure how many are romantic, I'll have to
>>> give it some consideration.
>> A half decent view and some privacy are all you need. Not sure what
>> city you're in, but maybe you could catch a train out of the city and
>> closer to a more rural area if you can't pull it off in the city?
>
> I'm dead smack in the middle of Seattle. Though if I was taking a train
> out of town, I'd be more likely to just end up in Portland.

I'd grab a beer with ya

--
Paul M. Hobson
..:change the f to ph to reply:.

[[email protected]]

On Nov 25, 9:50 pm, (Tom Keats) wrote:
> In article >,
> " > writes:
>
> > On Nov 24, 5:59 pm, Dane Buson > wrote:
> >> Awwww, the winter's not so bad. But it does cut into the picnic with a
> >> blanket sort of dates, which has been vexing me.
> > It doesn't have to. Many a woman will enjoy the hike through the snow
> > to a scenic vista, a fire, a bottle of something nice to drink and a
> > snack. It's yet to snow here this season, but I find that routine to
> > be a relaxing escape from the norm, as have some of my dates.
>
> What's snow?

At first assessment, it appears to be a cruel joke played by Mother
Nature. It’s cold, wet, and has the ability to stick around far
longer than rain. Upon further investigation it turns out that while
it is still cold, wet, sometimes miserable and almost certainly a
cruel joke by Mother Nature, it does have a few advantages. If
properly prepared for it (I believe the best preparation is plane
tickets to Jamaica, but proper clothing, drink and fire can work in a
budget or scheduling pinch – I’ve yet to try the Jamaica routine as I
routinely live in both said pinches) it’s not so bad. It’s fun to
drive in, especially with RWD, gives campfires and bonfires an extra
nice edge, encourages the sharing of body heat and can be fun to ride
in as well. I hear there are some spots designed especially for it,
such as cold weather versions of water skiing and wakeboarding, in
which the boat is replaces by a hill, but that’s a little too nuts for
me. I’ll happily hike up the other side of the same hill, build a
fire in the snow, and enjoy a picnic. All the while calling _them_
crazy.


> We get mud, puddles, and mud-puddles here.
> Sometimes they're enormous and partially frozen.
> They like to accumulate adjacent to bus stops,
> so passing car drivers can merrily speed through
> them and splash them onto folks waiting for the bus.

Sounds like fun! We get sand/salt/slush puddles here from the towns
employees trying to take the fun out of driving in the snow. Same end
result.


> You just can't happily picnic in the midst of a
> partially frozen body of water, unless you're
> a narwhal or sumpthin'.

Note to self: continue to check rbt with morning coffee. Any morning
that starts off laughing out loud is a good one, and this is the
second day in a row rbt has brought me such enjoyment. That said, I
must be a narwhal or sumpthin’, although I don’t think some dates
who’ve enjoyed said picnics with me would appreciate the
classification. We’ll just file them under “or sumpthin’” and not
tell them about it.

[SMS]

Dane Buson wrote:

> Ah, I might have to see if the Sports Authority near me stocks it. It
> looks like it might be suitable. I never use my cage for water bottles
> (for the most part), so it's not like I need a great one.

Here it is as well: "http://tinyurl.com/5wh8l8"

You might want to straighten the top part out with a mallet.

These are good cages for carrying wine. For wine, note that there are
now many higher quality wines that use screw tops; screw tops aren't
just for jug wine. So for drinking wine while riding, select a good
Merlot or Cabernet with a screw top. If you're a Mac user, or ride an
aluminum framed bicycle, then choose a white wine with a screw top.

[[email protected]]

On Nov 26, 9:00*am, SMS > wrote:
> Dane Buson wrote:
> > Ah, I might have to see if the Sports Authority near me stocks it. *It
> > looks like it might be suitable. *I never use my cage for water bottles
> > (for the most part), so it's not like I need a great one. *
>
> Here it is as well: "http://tinyurl.com/5wh8l8"
>
> You might want to straighten the top part out with a mallet.
>
> These are good cages for carrying wine. For wine, note that there are
> now many higher quality wines that use screw tops; screw tops aren't
> just for jug wine. So for drinking wine while riding, select a good
> Merlot or Cabernet with a screw top. If you're a Mac user, or ride an
> aluminum framed bicycle, then choose a white wine with a screw top.

Last summer (or maybe the summer before) I was amazed by a decent wine
that actually came in a foldable box type container. It wasn't a $300
label, but it wasn't a $5 gallon box o' wine. A Sauvignon Blanc
IIRC. 750ml box, fit handily in a backpack without worries of
breaking, and folded up as you drank part or all of it, for even
easier packing out. It became the go-to wine for hiking, taking the
inflatable to the islands, kayaking, etc. for the lady & I. Shame
they haven’t done that with a decent scotch yet.

[Dane Buson]

Paul M. Hobson > wrote:
> Dane Buson wrote:
>>
>> I'm dead smack in the middle of Seattle. Though if I was taking a train
>> out of town, I'd be more likely to just end up in Portland.
>
> I'd grab a beer with ya

Well I'm flattered but I normally like my dates with less Y chromosomes.
;-)

Are you in Oregon now? I thought you were still east and south of the
Mason-Dixon line.

Also, feel free to get a hold of me if you're ever near Seattle. If
you're out on a Thursday, I'll find you a loaner bike and drag you all
over the city with point83.

--
Dane Buson -
You should emulate your heros, but don't carry it too far.
Especially if they are dead.

[Dane Buson]

Tom Keats > wrote:
> In article >,
> Dane Buson > writes:
>
>>> "I wish I was in Tiajuana
>>> eating barbqued iguana ..."
>>
>> I've often wondered how that would taste...
>
> I've heard that rattlesnake tastes somewhat like
> chicken. So I figure iguana probably tastes
> like rattlesnake.

"To understand recursion, you must first understand recursion."

>> Awwww, the winter's not so bad. But it does cut into the picnic with a
>> blanket sort of dates, which has been vexing me.
>
> I hate freezing my goods off.

I get cold more easily than I used to, but I still prefer freezing to
frying personally. All that said, some days when I squelch in from a
soaking ride in just above freezing temperatures I go "Man what was I
thinking?" Though usually I answer "Oh yeah, driving to work sucks."

>> Also, mmmmmm, vindaloo.
>
> At least winter's a good time for comfort food.
> I'd like to concoct a pheasant vindaloo some time.

That might be interesting. I mostly end up cooking chana masala, maybe
throwing in some chicken. Though I have a really good Gujarat egg curry
that I'm probably overdue for making again. Eggs, tomatoes, some spices
and not much else. It's so good on some nice naan.

> My local vindaloo provider always asks me: "Spicy,
> or not so spicy?" I say: "Spicy." He always gives
> me not-so-spicy anyway. I guess it's like that woman
> at Pita House, who won't give me a Halifax donair,
> because she thinks I wouldn't like it. And that
> waitress at now-defunct Reuben's on Granville St,
> who'd always bring me what she thought I needed,
> instead of what I ordered.

Much like the Chinese ladies who were surprised and asked me if I really
wanted 'that' when I ordered Mapo Dofu and Chou Dofu [1].

> It's nice, having people saving me from myself.
>
> I suppose.

Well, in their defense, most people are severely deficient of clue. So
they probably do need saving from themselves. OTOH, if you're a repeat
customer, they should probably figure out you know what you want.

[1] Stinky Tofu - not something Anglos order often I guess.

--
Dane Buson -
Somewhere, there was a rich vein of power in OS/2... But no easy way to tap it.
Unix presents you with dozens of rich veins and dozens of different types of
needles to use on it. -- Shal'Nath

[Dane Buson]

SMS > wrote:
> Dane Buson wrote:
>
>> Ah, I might have to see if the Sports Authority near me stocks it. It
>> looks like it might be suitable. I never use my cage for water bottles
>> (for the most part), so it's not like I need a great one.
>
> Here it is as well: "http://tinyurl.com/5wh8l8"
>
> You might want to straighten the top part out with a mallet.

Good point, it's not necessry to have that lip since I wouldn't be using
it for bike bottles.

> These are good cages for carrying wine. For wine, note that there are
> now many higher quality wines that use screw tops; screw tops aren't
> just for jug wine. So for drinking wine while riding, select a good
> Merlot or Cabernet with a screw top. If you're a Mac user, or ride an
> aluminum framed bicycle, then choose a white wine with a screw top.

I'm fine with screwtops, but my usual table wines are all (synthetic)
cork sealed. Not that that's really an obstacle. I generally prefer a
Shiraz to Merlots or Cabernet though.

As for Macs, I might have to stoop to buying one since the child
processes school encourages their use.

--
Dane Buson -
"Since the perception of confidence and decisiveness is much more important
to the American leadership style than actual intelligence or competence, we
have become a nation of brilliant peons frantically covering for the blunders
of our leaders." - phantom309 on Ars

[Dane Buson]

> wrote:
> On Nov 26, 9:00*am, SMS > wrote:
>>
>> These are good cages for carrying wine. For wine, note that there are
>> now many higher quality wines that use screw tops; screw tops aren't
>> just for jug wine. So for drinking wine while riding, select a good
>> Merlot or Cabernet with a screw top. If you're a Mac user, or ride an
>> aluminum framed bicycle, then choose a white wine with a screw top.
>
> Last summer (or maybe the summer before) I was amazed by a decent wine
> that actually came in a foldable box type container. It wasn't a $300
> label, but it wasn't a $5 gallon box o' wine. A Sauvignon Blanc
> IIRC. 750ml box, fit handily in a backpack without worries of
> breaking, and folded up as you drank part or all of it, for even
> easier packing out. It became the go-to wine for hiking, taking the
> inflatable to the islands, kayaking, etc. for the lady & I. Shame
> they haven???t done that with a decent scotch yet.

The higher alcohol content in hard alcohol tends to draw out 'plasticy'
tastes more than other liquids do, so the same bladder material probably
wouldn't work that well. I'm sure it's doable with some sort
of nano-age plastic wonder-material.

--
Dane Buson -
"It's good for young people to be angry about something."
-Former President Bill Clinton, after he was egged in Poland

[[email protected]]

On Nov 26, 1:17*pm, Dane Buson > wrote:
> > wrote:
> > On Nov 26, 9:00*am, SMS > wrote:
>
> >> These are good cages for carrying wine. For wine, note that there are
> >> now many higher quality wines that use screw tops; screw tops aren't
> >> just for jug wine. So for drinking wine while riding, select a good
> >> Merlot or Cabernet with a screw top. If you're a Mac user, or ride an
> >> aluminum framed bicycle, then choose a white wine with a screw top.
>
> > Last summer (or maybe the summer before) I was amazed by a decent wine
> > that actually came in a foldable box type container. *It wasn't a $300
> > label, but it wasn't a $5 gallon box o' wine. *A Sauvignon Blanc
> > IIRC. *750ml box, fit handily in a backpack without worries of
> > breaking, and folded up as you drank part or all of it, for even
> > easier packing out. *It became the go-to wine for hiking, taking the
> > inflatable to the islands, kayaking, etc. for the lady & I. *Shame
> > they haven???t done that with a decent scotch yet.
>
> The higher alcohol content in hard alcohol tends to draw out 'plasticy'
> tastes more than other liquids do, so the same bladder material probably
> wouldn't work that well. *I'm sure it's doable with some sort
> of nano-age plastic wonder-material.
>
> --
> Dane Buson -
> "It's good for young people to be angry about something."
> -Former President Bill Clinton, after he was egged in Poland- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Good point. Until then, the trusty flasks will have to remain the
standard. On that note, avoid putting anything sugary (i.e. schnopps,
even if 100 proof) in those things. The tiny hole makes cleaning them
a nightmare. A good scotch, however, almost seems to serve as it's
own cleaning agent. Some hot water, touch of soap, rinse and it's
like new.

[SMS]

Dane Buson wrote:

> I'm fine with screwtops, but my usual table wines are all (synthetic)
> cork sealed. Not that that's really an obstacle. I generally prefer a
> Shiraz to Merlots or Cabernet though.

Well you want to transfer it to a water bottle anyway. Use one of the
one's from Soma Fabrications that don't add plastic flavor.
"http://www.somafab.com/bottle.html"

But don't drink and drive. You might hit a bump and spill your drink.

> As for Macs, I might have to stoop to buying one since the child
> processes school encourages their use.

Heh, same here. It would be politically incorrect for the schools in my
district to not use Apple's. My daughter's middles school was about a 30
second walk from Apple's HQ. When they were naming the school, I thought
that maybe if they named it after Jobs they could get a better discount
on computers, but the naming committee didn't like my idea. At least
they didn't name it after Reagan, as one committee member proposed.

[SMS]

wrote:

> Good point. Until then, the trusty flasks will have to remain the
> standard. On that note, avoid putting anything sugary (i.e. schnopps,
> even if 100 proof) in those things. The tiny hole makes cleaning them
> a nightmare. A good scotch, however, almost seems to serve as it's
> own cleaning agent. Some hot water, touch of soap, rinse and it's
> like new.

Bacardi 151 and grain alcohol keeps bottles clean. They don't sell it in
California any more. I saw it in Montana earlier this year. It's a very
efficient way to carry alcohol while camping. Ensure that you have the
six essential food groups while bicycling:

Salt
Sugar
Fat
Caffeine
Alcohol
Chocolate

[Tom Keats]

In article >,
Dane Buson > writes:

>>> Awwww, the winter's not so bad. But it does cut into the picnic with a
>>> blanket sort of dates, which has been vexing me.
>>
>> I hate freezing my goods off.
>
> I get cold more easily than I used to, but I still prefer freezing to
> frying personally. All that said, some days when I squelch in from a
> soaking ride in just above freezing temperatures I go "Man what was I
> thinking?" Though usually I answer "Oh yeah, driving to work sucks."

I've found that, for myself at least, riding in colder weather
is a good way to keep warm -- not just during the ride itself,
but for quite a while afterward. Even a quick little spin around
the neighbourhood helps shake off that initial chilly feeling
when I get up in the morning. The trouble is, there's a temptation
to keep riding instead of going to work. And my commute is just
too long to do by bicycle (it takes two 15 minute public transit
bus rides and one 1/2-hour rapid transit SkyTrain ride.)

But I can find other excuses to ride, besides going to work.
Keeping warm is a good enough excuse. It's more a case of
the weather being too cold to /not/ ride, than being too
cold to ride.

At any rate, I'm sure riding helps keep many cyclists' home
thermostats turned down, thereby reducing heating expenses.


cheers,
Tom

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

[Paul M. Hobson[_2_]]

Dane Buson wrote:
> Paul M. Hobson > wrote:
>> Dane Buson wrote:
>>> I'm dead smack in the middle of Seattle. Though if I was taking a train
>>> out of town, I'd be more likely to just end up in Portland.
>> I'd grab a beer with ya
>
> Well I'm flattered but I normally like my dates with less Y chromosomes.
> ;-)
>
> Are you in Oregon now? I thought you were still east and south of the
> Mason-Dixon line.
>
> Also, feel free to get a hold of me if you're ever near Seattle. If
> you're out on a Thursday, I'll find you a loaner bike and drag you all
> over the city with point83.
>

Yeah I took a job in PDX. Lovin' it so far. Don't think I'll be in
Seattle on Thursday, but I was thinking about packing up the bike and
heading there on Saturday to go exploring.

Maybe not too practical though since a wrist injury and recently
finished thesis has kept me off the bike until about now. I still need
to explore Portland!

I'd definitely enjoy a point83 ride at some point in time, though.
Y'all's website reminds of my own ATL crew: fastermustache.org
....except probably cooler these days :/

\\paul

--
Paul M. Hobson
..:change the f to ph to reply:.

[Dane Buson]

Paul M. Hobson > wrote:
> Dane Buson wrote:
>>
>> Are you in Oregon now? I thought you were still east and south of the
>> Mason-Dixon line.
>>
>> Also, feel free to get a hold of me if you're ever near Seattle. If
>> you're out on a Thursday, I'll find you a loaner bike and drag you all
>> over the city with point83.
>>
>
> Yeah I took a job in PDX. Lovin' it so far. Don't think I'll be in
> Seattle on Thursday, but I was thinking about packing up the bike and
> heading there on Saturday to go exploring.

There are also regular Sunday rides and sporadic Saturday rides and
races. Even if they're not the same people, they're usually worth
doing.

> Maybe not too practical though since a wrist injury and recently
> finished thesis has kept me off the bike until about now. I still need
> to explore Portland!

Next time I'm down there, we can explore it some together. I've only
been down twice, and didn't see as much as I'd like have.

> I'd definitely enjoy a point83 ride at some point in time, though.
> Y'all's website reminds of my own ATL crew: fastermustache.org
> ...except probably cooler these days :/

Excellent. Just ping me before you come up.

--
Dane Buson -
> What would one call a complete gym bike (not a spinning bike)
> where you don't add your bike?

A stationary bicycle. One of the great things about the English language
is that if a concept invites the use of an oxymoron, the oxymoron
probably the correct term for that concept.
- Ryan Cousineau, , seen in r.b.misc

[Dane Buson]

SMS > wrote:
> wrote:
>
>> Good point. Until then, the trusty flasks will have to remain the
>> standard. On that note, avoid putting anything sugary (i.e. schnopps,
>> even if 100 proof) in those things. The tiny hole makes cleaning them
>> a nightmare. A good scotch, however, almost seems to serve as it's
>> own cleaning agent. Some hot water, touch of soap, rinse and it's
>> like new.
>
> Bacardi 151 and grain alcohol keeps bottles clean. They don't sell it in
> California any more. I saw it in Montana earlier this year. It's a very
> efficient way to carry alcohol while camping. Ensure that you have the
> six essential food groups while bicycling:
>
> Salt
> Sugar
> Fat
> Caffeine
> Alcohol
> Chocolate

Your list is fairly comprehensive, but I'm almost positive you're
missing at least one green leafy plant that seems to be consumed by
cyclists. Not that I partake myself, but it seems rather popular
(though that might be because I live in Seattle).

--
Dane Buson -
> What would one call a complete gym bike (not a spinning bike)
> where you don't add your bike?

A stationary bicycle. One of the great things about the English language
is that if a concept invites the use of an oxymoron, the oxymoron
probably the correct term for that concept.
- Ryan Cousineau, , seen in r.b.misc

[Ryan Cousineau]

In article >,
Dane Buson > wrote:

> --
> Dane Buson -
> > What would one call a complete gym bike (not a spinning bike)
> > where you don't add your bike?
>
> A stationary bicycle. One of the great things about the English language
> is that if a concept invites the use of an oxymoron, the oxymoron
> probably the correct term for that concept.
> - Ryan Cousineau, , seen in r.b.misc

I'm internet famous!

<http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.misc/browse_thread/thread/20
331a3cfd7b57f0/e1d6f382209d3cf0?lnk=gst&q=cousineau+oxymoron#e1d6f382209d
3cf0>

How delightful that you've preserved my brainless typo. put "[is]" in
there to preserve my sanity.

Five years ago...

--
Ryan Cousineau http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

[Dane Buson]

Ryan Cousineau > wrote:
> In article >,
> Dane Buson > wrote:
>
>> --
>> Dane Buson -
>> > What would one call a complete gym bike (not a spinning bike)
>> > where you don't add your bike?
>>
>> A stationary bicycle. One of the great things about the English language
>> is that if a concept invites the use of an oxymoron, the oxymoron
>> probably the correct term for that concept.
>> - Ryan Cousineau, , seen in r.b.misc
>
> I'm internet famous!
>
> <http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.misc/browse_thread/thread/20
> 331a3cfd7b57f0/e1d6f382209d3cf0?lnk=gst&q=cousineau+oxymoron#e1d6f382209d
> 3cf0>

No way! Next you'll tell you're famous in France!

> How delightful that you've preserved my brainless typo. put "[is]" in
> there to preserve my sanity.

Fixed.

> Five years ago...

There's a few other rbm people and what-not in there.

--
Dane Buson -
"Ireland has the honor of being the only country which never
persecuted the Jews because they never let any in."
-James Joyce

[Luigi de Guzman]

On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:40:21 -0800, Dane Buson wrote:

>
> Your list is fairly comprehensive, but I'm almost positive you're
> missing at least one green leafy plant that seems to be consumed by
> cyclists. Not that I partake myself, but it seems rather popular
> (though that might be because I live in Seattle).

Surely you mean cabbage.

"Cabbage is the most outstanding of all vegetables. This you should eat,
whether cooked or raw. If you should eat it raw, dip it in some
vinegar. It is marvellously digested, and makes for a good stomach, and
its juice is healthy for all purposes. If you wish to drink and dine
liberally at a party: before dinner, eat however much cabbage as you
wish, raw, with vinegar. And likewise, when you dine, eat some 5 or so
leaves; this will make it as if you had eaten nothing, though you may
drink however much you wish. . . "

M. Porcius Cato the Elder, "On Agriculture," section 156. Cato
presumably means that his cabbage regimen will render the Roman partygoer
immune to the nausea of overindulgence in wine.


--
Luigi de Guzman
http://ouij.livejournal.com

[Dane Buson]

Luigi de Guzman > wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:40:21 -0800, Dane Buson wrote:
>
>>
>> Your list is fairly comprehensive, but I'm almost positive you're
>> missing at least one green leafy plant that seems to be consumed by
>> cyclists. Not that I partake myself, but it seems rather popular
>> (though that might be because I live in Seattle).
>
> Surely you mean cabbage.
>
> "Cabbage is the most outstanding of all vegetables. This you should eat,
> whether cooked or raw. If you should eat it raw, dip it in some
> vinegar. It is marvellously digested, and makes for a good stomach, and
> its juice is healthy for all purposes. If you wish to drink and dine
> liberally at a party: before dinner, eat however much cabbage as you
> wish, raw, with vinegar. And likewise, when you dine, eat some 5 or so
> leaves; this will make it as if you had eaten nothing, though you may
> drink however much you wish. . . "
>
> M. Porcius Cato the Elder, "On Agriculture," section 156. Cato
> presumably means that his cabbage regimen will render the Roman partygoer
> immune to the nausea of overindulgence in wine.

Tonight I have been convinced that Russian (peasant) food despite being
composed of 56% cabbage (approximately) is very tasty. Copious amounts
of red wine and good company (as well as very nice pickles) certainly
didn't hurt my decision making progress.

*cough* And of course I meant cabbage, what other green leafy
vegetation could I possibly mean?

--
Dane Buson -
"He is not only dull himself, he is the cause of dullness in others."
-Samuel Johnson

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On Dec 1, 11:25 pm, Luigi de Guzman > wrote:

> M. Porcius Cato the Elder, "On Agriculture," section 156. Cato
> presumably means that his cabbage regimen will render the Roman partygoer
> immune to the nausea of overindulgence in wine.

That's an awesome tome. Lengthy discussion of when it makes economic
sense to kill your slaves.