Used or NOS Campy Mirage/Veloce/Daytona 36 hole Rear hub needed

[Cultofthumpers]

Does anyone have a 10 speed 36 hole rear hub for sale or do you know
of a local bike shop that carries used Campy components? I am having a
devil of a time locating a 10 speed 36 hole rear hub except new Record
and I can't afford that right now.
Any help is appreciated

[jim beam[_5_]]

Cultofthumpers wrote:
> Does anyone have a 10 speed 36 hole rear hub for sale or do you know
> of a local bike shop that carries used Campy components? I am having a
> devil of a time locating a 10 speed 36 hole rear hub except new Record
> and I can't afford that right now.
> Any help is appreciated

why do you think you need 36 hole??? with modern rim options, you can
safely and reliably go with a much lower spoke count.

[Brewster Fong]

On May 25, 8:49*am, jim beam > wrote:
> Cultofthumpers wrote:
> > Does anyone have a 10 speed 36 hole rear hub for sale or do you know
> > of a local bike shop that carries used Campy components? I am having a
> > devil of a time locating a 10 speed 36 hole rear hub except new Record
> > and I can't afford that right now.
> > Any help is appreciated
>
> why do you think you need 36 hole??? *with modern rim options, you can
> safely and reliably go with a much lower spoke count.

Agree, if you don't need 36h and can use 32h, Nashbar has a great
deal on a Campy 32h Centaur rear hub for $75:

http://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product_10053_10052_215281_-1_10000__11501

Btw, the reason you can only find Record rear hub is that for 2009,
Campy only sells one road hubset - a black (ugly!) Record rear hub.
The only other hubset is the still beautiful, at least for now, silver
track hubs. Good Luck!

[Hank Wirtz]

On May 25, 8:49*am, jim beam > wrote:
> Cultofthumpers wrote:
> > Does anyone have a 10 speed 36 hole rear hub for sale or do you know
> > of a local bike shop that carries used Campy components? I am having a
> > devil of a time locating a 10 speed 36 hole rear hub except new Record
> > and I can't afford that right now.
> > Any help is appreciated
>
> why do you think you need 36 hole??? *with modern rim options, you can
> safely and reliably go with a much lower spoke count.

While I don't agree with what jim is saying here (I ride 36es because
I'm not extraordinarily skinny), Nashbar does have 32h 2006 Centaur
rear hubs for $75. At that price, you might be able to replace your
rim while you're at it. Spokes really should not be reused.

[landotter]

On May 25, 11:49*am, jim beam > wrote:
> Cultofthumpers wrote:
> > Does anyone have a 10 speed 36 hole rear hub for sale or do you know
> > of a local bike shop that carries used Campy components? I am having a
> > devil of a time locating a 10 speed 36 hole rear hub except new Record
> > and I can't afford that right now.
> > Any help is appreciated
>
> why do you think you need 36 hole??? *with modern rim options

You mean the great "improvement" over the past? Heavier rims? 36 hole
rear is nothing radical and a good choice for 622mm wheel reliability.

[jim beam[_5_]]

landotter wrote:
> On May 25, 11:49�am, jim beam > wrote:
>> Cultofthumpers wrote:
>>> Does anyone have a 10 speed 36 hole rear hub for sale or do you know
>>> of a local bike shop that carries used Campy components? I am having a
>>> devil of a time locating a 10 speed 36 hole rear hub except new Record
>>> and I can't afford that right now.
>>> Any help is appreciated
>> why do you think you need 36 hole??? �with modern rim options
>
> You mean the great "improvement" over the past? Heavier rims? 36 hole
> rear is nothing radical and a good choice for 622mm wheel reliability.

who says "heavier"? deep section means stiffer, but not necessarily
heavier. stiffer means fewer spokes are needed.

[Tom Sherman °_°]

"jim beam" wrote:
> landotter wrote:
>> On May 25, 11:49�am, jim beam > wrote:
>>> Cultofthumpers wrote:
>>>> Does anyone have a 10 speed 36 hole rear hub for sale or do you know
>>>> of a local bike shop that carries used Campy components? I am having a
>>>> devil of a time locating a 10 speed 36 hole rear hub except new Record
>>>> and I can't afford that right now.
>>>> Any help is appreciated
>>> why do you think you need 36 hole??? �with modern rim options
>>
>> You mean the great "improvement" over the past? Heavier rims? 36 hole
>> rear is nothing radical and a good choice for 622mm wheel reliability.
>
> who says "heavier"? deep section means stiffer, but not necessarily
> heavier. stiffer means fewer spokes are needed.

Low spoke count wheels are prone to squirrel intrusion.

--
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
LOCAL CACTUS EATS CYCLIST - datakoll

[jim beam[_5_]]

Tom Sherman °_° wrote:
> "jim beam" wrote:
>> landotter wrote:
>>> On May 25, 11:49�am, jim beam > wrote:
>>>> Cultofthumpers wrote:
>>>>> Does anyone have a 10 speed 36 hole rear hub for sale or do you know
>>>>> of a local bike shop that carries used Campy components? I am having a
>>>>> devil of a time locating a 10 speed 36 hole rear hub except new Record
>>>>> and I can't afford that right now.
>>>>> Any help is appreciated
>>>> why do you think you need 36 hole??? �with modern rim options
>>>
>>> You mean the great "improvement" over the past? Heavier rims? 36 hole
>>> rear is nothing radical and a good choice for 622mm wheel reliability.
>>
>> who says "heavier"? deep section means stiffer, but not necessarily
>> heavier. stiffer means fewer spokes are needed.
>
> Low spoke count wheels are prone to squirrel intrusion.
>

so use carbon disks then.

[someone]

On 25 May, 18:49, Tom Sherman °_° >
wrote:
> "jim beam" wrote:
> > landotter wrote:
> >> On May 25, 11:49 am, jim beam > wrote:
> >>> Cultofthumpers wrote:
> >>>> Does anyone have a 10 speed 36 hole rear hub for sale or do you know
> >>>> of a local bike shop that carries used Campy components? I am having a
> >>>> devil of a time locating a 10 speed 36 hole rear hub except new Record
> >>>> and I can't afford that right now.
> >>>> Any help is appreciated
> >>> why do you think you need 36 hole??? with modern rim options
>
> >> You mean the great "improvement" over the past? Heavier rims? 36 hole
> >> rear is nothing radical and a good choice for 622mm wheel reliability.
>
> > who says "heavier"? *deep section means stiffer, but not necessarily
> > heavier. *stiffer means fewer spokes are needed.
>
> Low spoke count wheels are prone to squirrel intrusion.

and does not fit with Ezekiel's vision of rims with many eyes.

[AMuzi]

Cultofthumpers wrote:
> Does anyone have a 10 speed 36 hole rear hub for sale or do you know
> of a local bike shop that carries used Campy components? I am having a
> devil of a time locating a 10 speed 36 hole rear hub except new Record
> and I can't afford that right now.
> Any help is appreciated

Velocity road hub in Campagnolo cassette format, black or
silver $110

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[RonSonic]

On Mon, 25 May 2009 10:47:53 -0700, jim beam > wrote:

>landotter wrote:
>> On May 25, 11:49?am, jim beam > wrote:
>>> Cultofthumpers wrote:
>>>> Does anyone have a 10 speed 36 hole rear hub for sale or do you know
>>>> of a local bike shop that carries used Campy components? I am having a
>>>> devil of a time locating a 10 speed 36 hole rear hub except new Record
>>>> and I can't afford that right now.
>>>> Any help is appreciated
>>> why do you think you need 36 hole??? ?with modern rim options
>>
>> You mean the great "improvement" over the past? Heavier rims? 36 hole
>> rear is nothing radical and a good choice for 622mm wheel reliability.
>
>who says "heavier"? deep section means stiffer, but not necessarily
>heavier. stiffer means fewer spokes are needed.

But in practice they are either heavier or way more expensive.

[jim beam[_5_]]

RonSonic wrote:
> On Mon, 25 May 2009 10:47:53 -0700, jim beam > wrote:
>
>> landotter wrote:
>>> On May 25, 11:49?am, jim beam > wrote:
>>>> Cultofthumpers wrote:
>>>>> Does anyone have a 10 speed 36 hole rear hub for sale or do you know
>>>>> of a local bike shop that carries used Campy components? I am having a
>>>>> devil of a time locating a 10 speed 36 hole rear hub except new Record
>>>>> and I can't afford that right now.
>>>>> Any help is appreciated
>>>> why do you think you need 36 hole??? ?with modern rim options
>>> You mean the great "improvement" over the past? Heavier rims? 36 hole
>>> rear is nothing radical and a good choice for 622mm wheel reliability.
>> who says "heavier"? deep section means stiffer, but not necessarily
>> heavier. stiffer means fewer spokes are needed.
>
> But in practice they are either heavier or way more expensive.

so use a cheap crappy rim with an expensive hub?

[Brewster Fong]

On May 25, 11:27*am, AMuzi > wrote:
> Cultofthumpers wrote:
> > Does anyone have a 10 speed 36 hole rear hub for sale or do you know
> > of a local bike shop that carries used Campy components? I am having a
> > devil of a time locating a 10 speed 36 hole rear hub except new Record
> > and I can't afford that right now.
> > Any help is appreciated
>
> Velocity road hub in Campagnolo cassette format, black or
> silver $110
>
How do you like the Veloce road hub compared to the 1999-2006 Centaur/
Daytona* rear hub with oversized axle? *Note, I don't believe the
98/99 Athena ever came with the oversized axle, but I could be wrong.
Thanks!

[Hank Wirtz]

On May 25, 2:10*pm, Brewster Fong > wrote:
> On May 25, 11:27*am, AMuzi > wrote:> Cultofthumpers wrote:
> > > Does anyone have a 10 speed 36 hole rear hub for sale or do you know
> > > of a local bike shop that carries used Campy components? I am having a
> > > devil of a time locating a 10 speed 36 hole rear hub except new Record
> > > and I can't afford that right now.
> > > Any help is appreciated
>
> > Velocity road hub in Campagnolo cassette format, black or
> > silver $110
>
> How do you like the Veloce road hub compared to the 1999-2006 Centaur/
> Daytona* rear hub with oversized axle? *Note, I don't believe the
> 98/99 Athena ever came with the oversized axle, but I could be wrong.
> Thanks!

That's "Velocity" as in the Australian rim manufacturer. They do hubs,
too.

[AMuzi]

>> Cultofthumpers wrote:
>>> Does anyone have a 10 speed 36 hole rear hub for sale or do you know
>>> of a local bike shop that carries used Campy components? I am having a
>>> devil of a time locating a 10 speed 36 hole rear hub except new Record
>>> and I can't afford that right now.

> AMuzi > wrote:
>> Velocity road hub in Campagnolo cassette format, black or
>> silver $110

Brewster Fong wrote:
> How do you like the Veloce road hub compared to the 1999-2006 Centaur/
> Daytona* rear hub with oversized axle? *Note, I don't believe the
> 98/99 Athena ever came with the oversized axle, but I could be wrong.


Compared to the similar Veloce sealed unit it's OK, lighter
too. Quick change cassette body between Campagnolo and
Shimano format is kinda clever. At least for a shop, maybe
less compelling a feature for the end user.

Campagnolo's 'big bearing' DAY-CEN-CHR-REC is IMHO the best
hub format ever designed. If you can swing a new 32h Record
for your purpose, buy one:
http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/CANEWHUB.JPG

In re concurrent thread about hub cups:
We replace worn/damaged cups in bicycle hubs although not
every application passes a cost/benefit analysis. On Record
hubs, of any era, certainly.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[AMuzi]

AMuzi wrote:
>>> Cultofthumpers wrote:
>>>> Does anyone have a 10 speed 36 hole rear hub for sale or do you know
>>>> of a local bike shop that carries used Campy components? I am having a
>>>> devil of a time locating a 10 speed 36 hole rear hub except new Record
>>>> and I can't afford that right now.
>
>> AMuzi > wrote:
>>> Velocity road hub in Campagnolo cassette format, black or
>>> silver $110
>
> Brewster Fong wrote:
>> How do you like the Veloce road hub compared to the 1999-2006 Centaur/
>> Daytona* rear hub with oversized axle? *Note, I don't believe the
>> 98/99 Athena ever came with the oversized axle, but I could be wrong.
>
>
> Compared to the similar Veloce sealed unit it's OK, lighter too. Quick
> change cassette body between Campagnolo and Shimano format is kinda
> clever. At least for a shop, maybe less compelling a feature for the end
> user.
>
> Campagnolo's 'big bearing' DAY-CEN-CHR-REC is IMHO the best hub format
> ever designed. If you can swing a new 32h Record for your purpose, buy one:
> http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/CANEWHUB.JPG


As Mr Wirtz notes, I was referring to the current Velocity
sealed hub.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[AMuzi]

jim beam wrote:
> Chalo wrote:
>> jim beam wrote:
>>> Chalo wrote:
>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>> A Muzi wrote:
>>>>>> In re concurrent thread about hub cups:
>>>>>> We replace worn/damaged cups in bicycle hubs although not every
>>>>>> application passes a cost/benefit analysis.
>>>>> or possibility analysis. campy, yes. shimano, no.
>>>> So what about this Shimano hub would make it impossible to extract and
>>>> replace the cups?
>>>>
>>>> http://i39.tinypic.com/2sbk2on.jpg
>>>>
>>>> I understand that it's just an old Shimano hub, so in most
>>>> circumstances it would not be worth the trouble of finding a donor hub
>>>> and doing the swap. �But if it were already part of a nice wheel, say
>>>> with a desirable old Mavic MA2 rim and swaged spokes that had been
>>>> well stress-relieved at the time of building, then you might want to
>>>> keep it going even if the cups had become pitted.
>>>>
>>>> Folks can get up to hundreds of thousands of kilometers out of a
>>>> single set of wheels if they build expertly and take good care of
>>>> them.
>>> trying to recycle all the button-push misnomers and mistakes there
>>> chalo? �tired of being the circus clown? �passive-aggressive is
>>> the new
>>> "you"?
>>
>> You didn't answer my question.
>>
>
> what's to answer about a circus clown passive-aggressively recycling
> bull****, presumably to provoke a reaction? if you want a serious
> answer, play it straight. if you just want to **** about, go find
> someone else to **** about with.

Perhaps I missed the point but why the heck, if nothing else
is damaged, would I not rebuild a hub with a new cone, cup
and gr 25 balls? It's quicker than a wheel build with a new hub.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[jim beam[_5_]]

AMuzi wrote:
> jim beam wrote:
>> Chalo wrote:
>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>> Chalo wrote:
>>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>>> A Muzi wrote:
>>>>>>> In re concurrent thread about hub cups:
>>>>>>> We replace worn/damaged cups in bicycle hubs although not every
>>>>>>> application passes a cost/benefit analysis.
>>>>>> or possibility analysis. campy, yes. shimano, no.
>>>>> So what about this Shimano hub would make it impossible to extract and
>>>>> replace the cups?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://i39.tinypic.com/2sbk2on.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> I understand that it's just an old Shimano hub, so in most
>>>>> circumstances it would not be worth the trouble of finding a donor hub
>>>>> and doing the swap. �But if it were already part of a nice wheel, say
>>>>> with a desirable old Mavic MA2 rim and swaged spokes that had been
>>>>> well stress-relieved at the time of building, then you might want to
>>>>> keep it going even if the cups had become pitted.
>>>>>
>>>>> Folks can get up to hundreds of thousands of kilometers out of a
>>>>> single set of wheels if they build expertly and take good care of
>>>>> them.
>>>> trying to recycle all the button-push misnomers and mistakes there
>>>> chalo? �tired of being the circus clown? �passive-aggressive is the new
>>>> "you"?
>>>
>>> You didn't answer my question.
>>>
>>
>> what's to answer about a circus clown passive-aggressively recycling
>> bull****, presumably to provoke a reaction? if you want a serious
>> answer, play it straight. if you just want to **** about, go find
>> someone else to **** about with.
>
> Perhaps I missed the point but why the heck, if nothing else is damaged,
> would I not rebuild a hub with a new cone, cup and gr 25 balls? It's
> quicker than a wheel build with a new hub.
>

but how would you get the cups out of this?

http://i44.tinypic.com/111s13n.jpg

[Hank Wirtz]

On May 25, 5:11*pm, jim beam > wrote:
> Tom Sherman °_° wrote:
> > "jim" beam wrote:
> >> wrote:
> >>> [...]
>
> >> any chance you can switch back to utf-8? *some of that widoze char-set
> >> you're using doesn't render properly.
>
> > I am using the ISO 8859-1 character set - no one else seems to have
> > problems with it.
>
> not saying anything doesn't mean they don't have the problem - it simply
> means they're not saying anything!

Hey jim, you seem to be using a character set that doesn't use upper-
case letters. Any chance you can switch to one that does?

[Tom Sherman °_°]

Hank Wirtz wrote:
> On May 25, 5:11 pm, jim beam > wrote:
>> Tom Sherman °_° wrote:
>>> "jim" beam wrote:
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> [...]
>>>> any chance you can switch back to utf-8? some of that widoze char-set
>>>> you're using doesn't render properly.
>>> I am using the ISO 8859-1 character set - no one else seems to have
>>> problems with it.
>> not saying anything doesn't mean they don't have the problem - it simply
>> means they're not saying anything!
>
> Hey jim, you seem to be using a character set that doesn't use upper-
> case letters. Any chance you can switch to one that does?

I switched from the Mozilla default ISO 8859-1 to UTF-8, so it seems
only fair that "jim" return the favor.

--
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
LOCAL CACTUS EATS CYCLIST - datakoll

[jim beam[_5_]]

� wrote:
> Hank Wirtz wrote:
>> On May 25, 5:11 pm, jim beam > wrote:
>>> Tom Sherman �_� wrote:
>>>> "jim" beam wrote:
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>> any chance you can switch back to utf-8? some of that widoze char-set
>>>>> you're using doesn't render properly.
>>>> I am using the ISO 8859-1 character set - no one else seems to have
>>>> problems with it.
>>> not saying anything doesn't mean they don't have the problem - it simply
>>> means they're not saying anything!
>>
>> Hey jim, you seem to be using a character set that doesn't use upper-
>> case letters. Any chance you can switch to one that does?
>
> I switched from the Mozilla default ISO 8859-1 to UTF-8, so it seems
> only fair that "jim" return the favor.
>

but you seem to be able to read my character set - i can't read yours.

[phs123@gmail.com]

On 25 Maj, 20:27, AMuzi > wrote:

> Velocity road hub in Campagnolo cassette format, black or
> silver $110

Looks very nice. Doesn't seem to be imported to Europe though.

For 36H silver Campagnolo compatible hubs available in Europe:

Ambrosio UK: Ambrosio Zenith:
http://www.ambrosio.co.uk/Images/Hubs_Zenith_silver.jpg
They are probably rebranded hubs from eg. novatec

Miche: Miche Racing Box:
http://www.miche.it/scheda.php?id=466&idCat=248
Silver, but not as classic looking as the Ambrosio hubs.

For some reason these hubs can only be bought in pairs.

--
Regards

[Michael Press]

In article >,
jim beam > wrote:

> ? wrote:
> > Hank Wirtz wrote:
> >> On May 25, 5:11 pm, jim beam > wrote:
> >>> Tom Sherman ?_? wrote:
> >>>> "jim" beam wrote:
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> [...]
> >>>>> any chance you can switch back to utf-8? some of that widoze char-set
> >>>>> you're using doesn't render properly.
> >>>> I am using the ISO 8859-1 character set - no one else seems to have
> >>>> problems with it.
> >>> not saying anything doesn't mean they don't have the problem - it simply
> >>> means they're not saying anything!
> >>
> >> Hey jim, you seem to be using a character set that doesn't use upper-
> >> case letters. Any chance you can switch to one that does?
> >
> > I switched from the Mozilla default ISO 8859-1 to UTF-8, so it seems
> > only fair that "jim" return the favor.
> >
>
> but you seem to be able to read my character set - i can't read yours.

You can if you want to.

--
Michael Press

[Michael Press]

In article
>,
wrote:

> On 25 Maj, 20:27, AMuzi > wrote:
>
> > Velocity road hub in Campagnolo cassette format, black or
> > silver $110
>
> Looks very nice. Doesn't seem to be imported to Europe though.
>
> For 36H silver Campagnolo compatible hubs available in Europe:
>
> Ambrosio UK: Ambrosio Zenith:
> http://www.ambrosio.co.uk/Images/Hubs_Zenith_silver.jpg
> They are probably rebranded hubs from eg. novatec

The quick release skewer needs replacing.

> Miche: Miche Racing Box:
> http://www.miche.it/scheda.php?id=466&idCat=248

Same here.

--
Michael Press

[Ben C]

On 2009-05-26, Tom Sherman °_° > wrote:
> Hank Wirtz wrote:
>> On May 25, 5:11 pm, jim beam > wrote:
>>> Tom Sherman °_° wrote:
>>>> "jim" beam wrote:
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>> any chance you can switch back to utf-8? some of that widoze char-set
>>>>> you're using doesn't render properly.

It's not a widoze char-set. "Windows-1252" is the widoze version of
ISO-8859-1. Long and boring story.

>>>> I am using the ISO 8859-1 character set - no one else seems to have
>>>> problems with it.
>>> not saying anything doesn't mean they don't have the problem - it simply
>>> means they're not saying anything!
>>
>> Hey jim, you seem to be using a character set that doesn't use upper-
>> case letters. Any chance you can switch to one that does?
>
> I switched from the Mozilla default ISO 8859-1 to UTF-8, so it seems
> only fair that "jim" return the favor.

You still seem to have this in your headers:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

It shouldn't matter whether you use ISO-8859-1 or UTF-8 (although
there's no good reason not to use UTF-8 for everything these days, but
not all software does), but the header has to match whatever you are
using in your editor.

[Tom Sherman °_°]

Ben C wrote:
> On 2009-05-26, Tom Sherman °_° > wrote:
>> Hank Wirtz wrote:
>>> On May 25, 5:11 pm, jim beam > wrote:
>>>> Tom Sherman °_° wrote:
>>>>> "jim" beam wrote:
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>> any chance you can switch back to utf-8? some of that widoze char-set
>>>>>> you're using doesn't render properly.
>
> It's not a widoze char-set. "Windows-1252" is the widoze version of
> ISO-8859-1. Long and boring story.
>
>>>>> I am using the ISO 8859-1 character set - no one else seems to have
>>>>> problems with it.
>>>> not saying anything doesn't mean they don't have the problem - it simply
>>>> means they're not saying anything!
>>> Hey jim, you seem to be using a character set that doesn't use upper-
>>> case letters. Any chance you can switch to one that does?
>> I switched from the Mozilla default ISO 8859-1 to UTF-8, so it seems
>> only fair that "jim" return the favor.
>
> You still seem to have this in your headers:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> It shouldn't matter whether you use ISO-8859-1 or UTF-8 (although
> there's no good reason not to use UTF-8 for everything these days, but
> not all software does), but the header has to match whatever you are
> using in your editor.

Maybe this will work?

--
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
LOCAL CACTUS EATS CYCLIST - datakoll

[Hank Wirtz]

On May 26, 2:14*pm, Michael Press > wrote:
> In article
> >,
>
> wrote:
> > On 25 Maj, 20:27, AMuzi > wrote:
>
> > > Velocity road hub in Campagnolo cassette format, black or
> > > silver $110
>
> > Looks very nice. Doesn't seem to be imported to Europe though.
>
> > For 36H silver Campagnolo compatible hubs available in Europe:
>
> > Ambrosio UK: Ambrosio Zenith:
> >http://www.ambrosio.co.uk/Images/Hubs_Zenith_silver.jpg
> > They are probably rebranded hubs from eg. novatec
>
> The quick release skewer needs replacing.
>

Absolutely true, if you have horizontal dropouts, anyway. I had a set
of Ambrosio Sonar wheelzinnabox that came with these hubs, and I don't
know how many times the rear slid forward in the dropouts while taking
off from a dead stop. Usually in the middle of an intersection while I
was taking a left turn.

They were fine once I swapped the skewer for a Shimano internal-cam.

And I believe the hubs are fabbed by Formula, not Novatec, but close
enough.

[Tom Sherman °_°]

Tom Sherman °_° wrote:
> Ben C wrote:
>> On 2009-05-26, Tom Sherman °_° > wrote:
>>> Hank Wirtz wrote:
>>>> On May 25, 5:11 pm, jim beam > wrote:
>>>>> Tom Sherman °_° wrote:
>>>>>> "jim" beam wrote:
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>> any chance you can switch back to utf-8? some of that widoze
>>>>>>> char-set
>>>>>>> you're using doesn't render properly.
>>
>> It's not a widoze char-set. "Windows-1252" is the widoze version of
>> ISO-8859-1. Long and boring story.
>>
>>>>>> I am using the ISO 8859-1 character set - no one else seems to have
>>>>>> problems with it.
>>>>> not saying anything doesn't mean they don't have the problem - it
>>>>> simply
>>>>> means they're not saying anything!
>>>> Hey jim, you seem to be using a character set that doesn't use upper-
>>>> case letters. Any chance you can switch to one that does?
>>> I switched from the Mozilla default ISO 8859-1 to UTF-8, so it seems
>>> only fair that "jim" return the favor.
>>
>> You still seem to have this in your headers:
>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> It shouldn't matter whether you use ISO-8859-1 or UTF-8 (although
>> there's no good reason not to use UTF-8 for everything these days, but
>> not all software does), but the header has to match whatever you are
>> using in your editor.
>
> Maybe this will work?
>
Found the right place to change in T-Bird.

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Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
LOCAL CACTUS EATS CYCLIST - datakoll

[Lou Holtman[_3_]]

Hank Wirtz schreef:
> On May 26, 2:14 pm, Michael Press > wrote:
>> In article
>> >,
>>
>> wrote:
>>> On 25 Maj, 20:27, AMuzi > wrote:
>>>> Velocity road hub in Campagnolo cassette format, black or
>>>> silver $110
>>> Looks very nice. Doesn't seem to be imported to Europe though.
>>> For 36H silver Campagnolo compatible hubs available in Europe:
>>> Ambrosio UK: Ambrosio Zenith:
>>> http://www.ambrosio.co.uk/Images/Hubs_Zenith_silver.jpg
>>> They are probably rebranded hubs from eg. novatec
>> The quick release skewer needs replacing.
>>
>
> Absolutely true, if you have horizontal dropouts, anyway. I had a set
> of Ambrosio Sonar wheelzinnabox that came with these hubs, and I don't
> know how many times the rear slid forward in the dropouts while taking
> off from a dead stop. Usually in the middle of an intersection while I
> was taking a left turn.
>
> They were fine once I swapped the skewer for a Shimano internal-cam.


The problem is not that they can not generate enough clamping force, but
when closing those external cam skewers you don't have any idea what
it is because they have so much friction. Simple black Shimano 105 or
Deore skwewers are better that all the fancy color anodizes external crap.

Lou

[phs123@gmail.com]

On 26 Maj, 23:14, Michael Press > wrote:

> The quick release skewer needs replacing.

I also prefer the look of traditional closed cam Campagnolo or Shimano
skewers ;-)
According to Sheldon Brown, the traditional style is also more secure
than the exposed cam type. New Shimano closed skewers doesn't cost
that much, and are probably worth it if one does hard riding, since
eg. a lot of MTB'ers seems to have problem with exposed cam skewers. I
wonder if it was possible to make an experiment that could determine a
minimum clamping force that was acceptable for all skewers so one
could make a minimum standard, or if design and material of the
knurled nut meant that every particular skewer model would have to be
tested to determine if it was safe for a particular load. When the EU
made rules that said that all forks sold would have to pass some
standard test, there was a lot of factory recalls afterward,
presumably because several fork models failed this test.

> > Miche: Miche Racing Box:
> >http://www.miche.it/scheda.php?id=466&idCat=248
>
> Same here.

The exposed cam skewer just seem to be the norm outside Shimano and
Campagnolo. Campagnolo /Fulcrum makes a closed cam skewer that looks
like an exposed cam skewer because it is attached to both sides. So it
ought to be as functional as the closed cam type, but I still prefer
the look of the traditional skewers.

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Regards

[Dre[_3_]]

"jim beam" > wrote in message
t...
>? wrote:
>> Chalo Colina wrote:
>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>> A Muzi wrote:
>>>>> In re concurrent thread about hub cups:
>>>>> We replace worn/damaged cups in bicycle hubs although not every
>>>>> application passes a cost/benefit analysis.
>>>> or possibility analysis. campy, yes. shimano, no.
>>>
>>> So what about this Shimano hub would make it impossible to extract and
>>> replace the cups?
>>>
>>> http://i39.tinypic.com/2sbk2on.jpg
>>>
>>> I understand that it's just an old Shimano hub, so in most
>>> circumstances it would not be worth the trouble of finding a donor hub
>>> and doing the swap. But if it were already part of a nice wheel, say
>>> with a desirable old Mavic MA2 rim and swaged spokes that had been
>>> well stress-relieved at the time of building, then you might want to
>>> keep it going even if the cups had become pitted.
>>>
>>> Folks can get up to hundreds of thousands of kilometers out of a
>>> single set of wheels if they build expertly and take good care of
>>> them.
>>>
>> ROTFLMAO!
>>
>> Definitely POTM quality.
>>
>
> any chance you can switch back to utf-8? some of that widoze char-set
> you're using doesn't render properly.
>

Actually Jim its you that appears wrong to me and everybody else appears
correct! Everytime I get one of your posts the text gets bigger and looks
****...

Cheers Dre

[Ben C]

On 2009-05-26, Tom Sherman °_° > wrote:
> Ben C wrote:
[...]
>> You still seem to have this in your headers:
>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> It shouldn't matter whether you use ISO-8859-1 or UTF-8 (although
>> there's no good reason not to use UTF-8 for everything these days, but
>> not all software does), but the header has to match whatever you are
>> using in your editor.
>
> Maybe this will work?

Yes you've got the right header, and I can see your smiley made out of
U+00B0 degree signs (°_°) which is presumably why we're going to all
this trouble in the first place.

It probably won't work in _this_ post from me though.