Trek owns peloton a Tof G

[Evan Evans]

At least 4 teams at the TofG are on Trek made bikes.

[psycholist]

"Evan Evans" > wrote in message
om...
> At least 4 teams at the TofG are on Trek made bikes.

That having been said, I was noting while watching Fleche Wallone today,
that there's hardly a conventional frame left in the peloton. they're
almost all compacts now. And the closest thing to a conventional frame
seems to be the USPS Treks. Strange.

Bob C.

[psycholist]

"Evan Evans" > wrote in message
om...
> At least 4 teams at the TofG are on Trek made bikes.

That having been said, I was noting while watching Fleche Wallone today,
that there's hardly a conventional frame left in the peloton. they're
almost all compacts now. And the closest thing to a conventional frame
seems to be the USPS Treks. Strange.

Bob C.

[Qui si parla Campagnolo]

gevans-<< At least 4 teams at the TofG are on Trek made bikes. >><BR><BR>


'Owns' is an appropriate word..With the $$ they are throwing around. These pros
would ride anything...if paid enough.

Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria
1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

[Qui si parla Campagnolo]

gevans-<< At least 4 teams at the TofG are on Trek made bikes. >><BR><BR>


'Owns' is an appropriate word..With the $$ they are throwing around. These pros
would ride anything...if paid enough.

Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria
1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

[psycholist]

"Qui si parla Campagnolo " > wrote in message
...
> gevans-<< At least 4 teams at the TofG are on Trek made bikes. >><BR><BR>
>
>
> 'Owns' is an appropriate word..With the $$ they are throwing around. These
pros
> would ride anything...if paid enough.
>
> Peter Chisholm
> Vecchio's Bicicletteria
> 1833 Pearl St.
> Boulder, CO, 80302
> (303)440-3535
> http://www.vecchios.com
> "Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

With the pressure on them to win, do you think they'd use something they
knew was clearly inferior?

Bob C.

[psycholist]

"Qui si parla Campagnolo " > wrote in message
...
> gevans-<< At least 4 teams at the TofG are on Trek made bikes. >><BR><BR>
>
>
> 'Owns' is an appropriate word..With the $$ they are throwing around. These
pros
> would ride anything...if paid enough.
>
> Peter Chisholm
> Vecchio's Bicicletteria
> 1833 Pearl St.
> Boulder, CO, 80302
> (303)440-3535
> http://www.vecchios.com
> "Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

With the pressure on them to win, do you think they'd use something they
knew was clearly inferior?

Bob C.

[David Kerber]

In article >, says...
>
> "Qui si parla Campagnolo " > wrote in message
> ...
> > gevans-<< At least 4 teams at the TofG are on Trek made bikes. >><BR><BR>
> >
> >
> > 'Owns' is an appropriate word..With the $$ they are throwing around. These
> pros
> > would ride anything...if paid enough.
> >
> > Peter Chisholm
> > Vecchio's Bicicletteria
> > 1833 Pearl St.
> > Boulder, CO, 80302
> > (303)440-3535
> > http://www.vecchios.com
> > "Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"
>
> With the pressure on them to win, do you think they'd use something they
> knew was clearly inferior?

Of course not, but there's very little difference between the high ends
of any mfr's bikes, so whomever pays the best gets the best riders.

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[David Kerber]

In article >, says...
>
> "Qui si parla Campagnolo " > wrote in message
> ...
> > gevans-<< At least 4 teams at the TofG are on Trek made bikes. >><BR><BR>
> >
> >
> > 'Owns' is an appropriate word..With the $$ they are throwing around. These
> pros
> > would ride anything...if paid enough.
> >
> > Peter Chisholm
> > Vecchio's Bicicletteria
> > 1833 Pearl St.
> > Boulder, CO, 80302
> > (303)440-3535
> > http://www.vecchios.com
> > "Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"
>
> With the pressure on them to win, do you think they'd use something they
> knew was clearly inferior?

Of course not, but there's very little difference between the high ends
of any mfr's bikes, so whomever pays the best gets the best riders.

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[Qui si parla Campagnolo]

Bob-<< With the pressure on them to win, do you think they'd use something they
knew was clearly inferior? >><BR><BR>

Never said it was...hard to find a truly inferior frameset these days..But
whether they use a Trek or not depends on the sponsor, not the frameset.

Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria
1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

[Qui si parla Campagnolo]

Bob-<< With the pressure on them to win, do you think they'd use something they
knew was clearly inferior? >><BR><BR>

Never said it was...hard to find a truly inferior frameset these days..But
whether they use a Trek or not depends on the sponsor, not the frameset.

Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria
1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

[Ryan Cousineau]

In article >,
"psycholist" > wrote:

> "Qui si parla Campagnolo " > wrote in message
> ...
> > gevans-<< At least 4 teams at the TofG are on Trek made bikes. >><BR><BR>
> >
> >
> > 'Owns' is an appropriate word..With the $$ they are throwing around. These
> pros
> > would ride anything...if paid enough.

> With the pressure on them to win, do you think they'd use something they
> knew was clearly inferior?

No, but they might paint it to match the sponsor-correct style.

This once-common phenomenon seems to becoming rarer. You'll still see
some teams "cheating" (it's not really cheating, but would you buy a
bike that paid endorsers wouldn't ride?) by using their pet TT or
climbiing bikes, or non-sponsor wheels for climbs or TTs, but most of
the sponsoring makers these days do a pretty good job of covering all
the needs of their riders.

I think some CSCers used Cervelo's TT bikes even before they were a
sponsor, and of course there's the whole Huffy Team bikes thing, where
they simply farmed out the frame-making to a boutique company and
painted them up. Did Huffy sell team replicas at any point?

If anyone wants to give me a free road bike in my size, I promise to
race it at least once,
--
Ryan Cousineau, http://www.sfu.ca/~rcousine/wiredcola/
President, Fabrizio Mazzoleni Fan Club

[Ryan Cousineau]

In article >,
"psycholist" > wrote:

> "Qui si parla Campagnolo " > wrote in message
> ...
> > gevans-<< At least 4 teams at the TofG are on Trek made bikes. >><BR><BR>
> >
> >
> > 'Owns' is an appropriate word..With the $$ they are throwing around. These
> pros
> > would ride anything...if paid enough.

> With the pressure on them to win, do you think they'd use something they
> knew was clearly inferior?

No, but they might paint it to match the sponsor-correct style.

This once-common phenomenon seems to becoming rarer. You'll still see
some teams "cheating" (it's not really cheating, but would you buy a
bike that paid endorsers wouldn't ride?) by using their pet TT or
climbiing bikes, or non-sponsor wheels for climbs or TTs, but most of
the sponsoring makers these days do a pretty good job of covering all
the needs of their riders.

I think some CSCers used Cervelo's TT bikes even before they were a
sponsor, and of course there's the whole Huffy Team bikes thing, where
they simply farmed out the frame-making to a boutique company and
painted them up. Did Huffy sell team replicas at any point?

If anyone wants to give me a free road bike in my size, I promise to
race it at least once,
--
Ryan Cousineau, http://www.sfu.ca/~rcousine/wiredcola/
President, Fabrizio Mazzoleni Fan Club

[Mike Jacoubowsky]

> I think some CSCers used Cervelo's TT bikes even before they were a
> sponsor, and of course there's the whole Huffy Team bikes thing, where
> they simply farmed out the frame-making to a boutique company and
> painted them up. Did Huffy sell team replicas at any point?

Replicas? Why own a replica when you can own the real thing? Ron Hardin
(who doesn't seem to frequent these parts as often as in the past) has
gotten amazing performance out of stock Huffy bikes. I mean maybe they're
selling hopped-up stuff to Ron that even the pros can't get, but it sounds
like any normal person can just walk into a *mart store and buy one off the
shelf!

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
http://www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

[Mike Jacoubowsky]

> I think some CSCers used Cervelo's TT bikes even before they were a
> sponsor, and of course there's the whole Huffy Team bikes thing, where
> they simply farmed out the frame-making to a boutique company and
> painted them up. Did Huffy sell team replicas at any point?

Replicas? Why own a replica when you can own the real thing? Ron Hardin
(who doesn't seem to frequent these parts as often as in the past) has
gotten amazing performance out of stock Huffy bikes. I mean maybe they're
selling hopped-up stuff to Ron that even the pros can't get, but it sounds
like any normal person can just walk into a *mart store and buy one off the
shelf!

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
http://www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

[ZeeExSixAre]

Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> I think some CSCers used Cervelo's TT bikes even before they were a
>> sponsor, and of course there's the whole Huffy Team bikes thing,
>> where they simply farmed out the frame-making to a boutique company
>> and painted them up. Did Huffy sell team replicas at any point?
>
> Replicas? Why own a replica when you can own the real thing? Ron
> Hardin (who doesn't seem to frequent these parts as often as in the
> past) has gotten amazing performance out of stock Huffy bikes. I

We should see Carl Fogel in these races soon then ;)
--
Phil, Squid-in-Training

[ZeeExSixAre]

Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> I think some CSCers used Cervelo's TT bikes even before they were a
>> sponsor, and of course there's the whole Huffy Team bikes thing,
>> where they simply farmed out the frame-making to a boutique company
>> and painted them up. Did Huffy sell team replicas at any point?
>
> Replicas? Why own a replica when you can own the real thing? Ron
> Hardin (who doesn't seem to frequent these parts as often as in the
> past) has gotten amazing performance out of stock Huffy bikes. I

We should see Carl Fogel in these races soon then ;)
--
Phil, Squid-in-Training

[DiabloScott]

Zeeexsixare wrote:
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> >> I think some CSCers used Cervelo's TT bikes even before they were a
> >> sponsor, and of course there's the whole Huffy Team bikes thing,
> >> where they simply farmed out the frame-making to a boutique company
> >> and painted them up. Did Huffy sell team replicas at any point?
> >
> > Replicas? Why own a replica when you can own the real thing? Ron
> > Hardin (who doesn't seem to frequent these parts as often as in the
> > past) has gotten amazing performance out of stock Huffy bikes. I
> We should see Carl Fogel in these races soon then ;)
> --
> Phil, Squid-in-Training


There's a guy I've seen on Mt. Diablo a lot recently with a 7-Eleve
"Huffy" in perfect condition - he gets a lot of "knowing nods" but h
never sticks around to talk

It always stumped me why Huffy would sponsor a pro bike team since I'
sure no real cycling fans would buy one thinking it was hot stuff, an
the folks who would buy Huffys probably never saw any bike racing
especially in those days when TV coverage was almost nonexistent. An
Murray sponsored Team 7-Eleven too for a while - I'm double stumped
Maybe the CEO's were just magnanimous philanthropists


-

[DiabloScott]

Zeeexsixare wrote:
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> >> I think some CSCers used Cervelo's TT bikes even before they were a
> >> sponsor, and of course there's the whole Huffy Team bikes thing,
> >> where they simply farmed out the frame-making to a boutique company
> >> and painted them up. Did Huffy sell team replicas at any point?
> >
> > Replicas? Why own a replica when you can own the real thing? Ron
> > Hardin (who doesn't seem to frequent these parts as often as in the
> > past) has gotten amazing performance out of stock Huffy bikes. I
> We should see Carl Fogel in these races soon then ;)
> --
> Phil, Squid-in-Training


There's a guy I've seen on Mt. Diablo a lot recently with a 7-Eleve
"Huffy" in perfect condition - he gets a lot of "knowing nods" but h
never sticks around to talk

It always stumped me why Huffy would sponsor a pro bike team since I'
sure no real cycling fans would buy one thinking it was hot stuff, an
the folks who would buy Huffys probably never saw any bike racing
especially in those days when TV coverage was almost nonexistent. An
Murray sponsored Team 7-Eleven too for a while - I'm double stumped
Maybe the CEO's were just magnanimous philanthropists


-

[David Kerber]

In article >,
says...
> Zeeexsixare wrote:
> > Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> > >> I think some CSCers used Cervelo's TT bikes even before they were a
> > >> sponsor, and of course there's the whole Huffy Team bikes thing,
> > >> where they simply farmed out the frame-making to a boutique company
> > >> and painted them up. Did Huffy sell team replicas at any point?
> > >
> > > Replicas? Why own a replica when you can own the real thing? Ron
> > > Hardin (who doesn't seem to frequent these parts as often as in the
> > > past) has gotten amazing performance out of stock Huffy bikes. I
> > We should see Carl Fogel in these races soon then ;)
> > --
> > Phil, Squid-in-Training
>
>
>
> There's a guy I've seen on Mt. Diablo a lot recently with a 7-Eleven
> "Huffy" in perfect condition - he gets a lot of "knowing nods" but he
> never sticks around to talk.
>
> It always stumped me why Huffy would sponsor a pro bike team since I'm
> sure no real cycling fans would buy one thinking it was hot stuff, and
> the folks who would buy Huffys probably never saw any bike racing -
> especially in those days when TV coverage was almost nonexistent. And
> Murray sponsored Team 7-Eleven too for a while - I'm double stumped.
> Maybe the CEO's were just magnanimous philanthropists.

More likely they _thought_ they would get some gain from it, but dropped
the sponsorship when the sales increses didn't materialize.

....

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[David Kerber]

In article >,
says...
> Zeeexsixare wrote:
> > Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> > >> I think some CSCers used Cervelo's TT bikes even before they were a
> > >> sponsor, and of course there's the whole Huffy Team bikes thing,
> > >> where they simply farmed out the frame-making to a boutique company
> > >> and painted them up. Did Huffy sell team replicas at any point?
> > >
> > > Replicas? Why own a replica when you can own the real thing? Ron
> > > Hardin (who doesn't seem to frequent these parts as often as in the
> > > past) has gotten amazing performance out of stock Huffy bikes. I
> > We should see Carl Fogel in these races soon then ;)
> > --
> > Phil, Squid-in-Training
>
>
>
> There's a guy I've seen on Mt. Diablo a lot recently with a 7-Eleven
> "Huffy" in perfect condition - he gets a lot of "knowing nods" but he
> never sticks around to talk.
>
> It always stumped me why Huffy would sponsor a pro bike team since I'm
> sure no real cycling fans would buy one thinking it was hot stuff, and
> the folks who would buy Huffys probably never saw any bike racing -
> especially in those days when TV coverage was almost nonexistent. And
> Murray sponsored Team 7-Eleven too for a while - I'm double stumped.
> Maybe the CEO's were just magnanimous philanthropists.

More likely they _thought_ they would get some gain from it, but dropped
the sponsorship when the sales increses didn't materialize.

....

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[gwhite]

DiabloScott > wrote:

> It always stumped me why Huffy would sponsor a pro bike team...

Because marketing executives sometimes have their heads up their ass?

[gwhite]

DiabloScott > wrote:

> It always stumped me why Huffy would sponsor a pro bike team...

Because marketing executives sometimes have their heads up their ass?

[Donald Gillies]

DiabloScott > writes:

>There's a guy I've seen on Mt. Diablo a lot recently with a 7-Eleven
>"Huffy" in perfect condition - he gets a lot of "knowing nods" but he
>never sticks around to talk.

>It always stumped me why Huffy would sponsor a pro bike team since I'm
>sure no real cycling fans would buy one thinking it was hot stuff.

Huffy has always had aspirations in the high-end bicycle market. They
just never had any success.

Back in the 1960's, Huffy imported Carlton Handmade Cycles from
Britain, which was one of the largest custom builders in the UK at the
time, having just been bought by Raleigh. These were high quality 531
bikes with British, French, and Italian parts.

Carlton Cycles, ridden by the TI-Raleigh Cycling Team, won the tour de
france team standings in 1978, riding Raleigh Team Pros, which were
full super-record bikes made by Carlton in Workshop (or Ilkeston)
England.

- Don Gillies
San Diego, CA

[Donald Gillies]

DiabloScott > writes:

>There's a guy I've seen on Mt. Diablo a lot recently with a 7-Eleven
>"Huffy" in perfect condition - he gets a lot of "knowing nods" but he
>never sticks around to talk.

>It always stumped me why Huffy would sponsor a pro bike team since I'm
>sure no real cycling fans would buy one thinking it was hot stuff.

Huffy has always had aspirations in the high-end bicycle market. They
just never had any success.

Back in the 1960's, Huffy imported Carlton Handmade Cycles from
Britain, which was one of the largest custom builders in the UK at the
time, having just been bought by Raleigh. These were high quality 531
bikes with British, French, and Italian parts.

Carlton Cycles, ridden by the TI-Raleigh Cycling Team, won the tour de
france team standings in 1978, riding Raleigh Team Pros, which were
full super-record bikes made by Carlton in Workshop (or Ilkeston)
England.

- Don Gillies
San Diego, CA

[Doki]

Donald Gillies wrote:
> DiabloScott > writes:
>
>> There's a guy I've seen on Mt. Diablo a lot recently with a 7-Eleven
>> "Huffy" in perfect condition - he gets a lot of "knowing nods" but he
>> never sticks around to talk.
>
>> It always stumped me why Huffy would sponsor a pro bike team since
>> I'm sure no real cycling fans would buy one thinking it was hot
>> stuff.
>
> Huffy has always had aspirations in the high-end bicycle market. They
> just never had any success.
>
> Back in the 1960's, Huffy imported Carlton Handmade Cycles from
> Britain, which was one of the largest custom builders in the UK at the
> time, having just been bought by Raleigh. These were high quality 531
> bikes with British, French, and Italian parts.
>
> Carlton Cycles, ridden by the TI-Raleigh Cycling Team, won the tour de
> france team standings in 1978, riding Raleigh Team Pros, which were
> full super-record bikes made by Carlton in Workshop (or Ilkeston)
> England.

The town's called Worksop, not Workshop. It's a few miles up the road from
me, and is now the skag addict capital of the universe according to the
telly...

[Doki]

Donald Gillies wrote:
> DiabloScott > writes:
>
>> There's a guy I've seen on Mt. Diablo a lot recently with a 7-Eleven
>> "Huffy" in perfect condition - he gets a lot of "knowing nods" but he
>> never sticks around to talk.
>
>> It always stumped me why Huffy would sponsor a pro bike team since
>> I'm sure no real cycling fans would buy one thinking it was hot
>> stuff.
>
> Huffy has always had aspirations in the high-end bicycle market. They
> just never had any success.
>
> Back in the 1960's, Huffy imported Carlton Handmade Cycles from
> Britain, which was one of the largest custom builders in the UK at the
> time, having just been bought by Raleigh. These were high quality 531
> bikes with British, French, and Italian parts.
>
> Carlton Cycles, ridden by the TI-Raleigh Cycling Team, won the tour de
> france team standings in 1978, riding Raleigh Team Pros, which were
> full super-record bikes made by Carlton in Workshop (or Ilkeston)
> England.

The town's called Worksop, not Workshop. It's a few miles up the road from
me, and is now the skag addict capital of the universe according to the
telly...