He's just zis guy, you know?

[Mike Jacoubowsky]

So my son and I head up to Nevada City, to get in a ride and catch the
race (he wants to get more experience with photographing bike races
before heading to France in July). Nice day, got in a
not-too-challenging 45 mile ride which he didn't particularly enjoy (too
many "junk" climbs, the type that you can't sink your teeth into), as if
all climbs are going to be like Page Mill or the Aubisque or West Alpine
or whatever.

But the surprise of the day was seeing Floyd Landis in the main event.
It was honestly difficult to tell if he was holding back, intentionally
settling for 4th to avoid the podium and not create a stir... he
definitely looked very strong. But geez, the feelings this guy brings
out in me, and many others, feelings regarding the type of person who
not only hides behind a lie for several years (as, obviously, many do)
but cons other people into supporting that lie with their own time &
money... you see him after the race and you want to ask him about that,
how he rationalizes is.

But you don't, because in the end, he's just this guy trying to work out
his life on a bike and, for good or bad, the fact that he's still trying
to make the bike thing happen, something changes. If he'd left cycling
(as a profession) and gone on to other things, if I met him at some
conference somewhere, yeah, I'd feel comfortable asking uncomfortable
questions. But not today, not when I had the chance, after the race, on
a side road he was very slowly riding past on, because... because what?
Because he's still one of us somehow?

Or maybe it's just that "watching a train wreck" thing, you can't take
your eyes off it, but you also don't want to in any way be responsible
for it.

In the end I'm a passionately-rabid about the way he treated his friends
and conned others to believe in his story (big deal, many do that sort
of thing) and get people to spend their time and literally their money
promoting his con. But I don't need to heckle him or even ask tough
questions at a bike race. Journalists should be doing that job. But near
as I can tell, they aren't.

Sorry for the ramble. Long day.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

[Anton Berlin]

All of us are just trying to make our way through this thing called
life.

[NoDannyNo]

On Jun 21, 3:07*am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" >
wrote:
> So my son and I head up to Nevada City, to get in a ride and catch the
> race (he wants to get more experience with photographing bike races
> before heading to France in July). Nice day, got in a
> not-too-challenging 45 mile ride which he didn't particularly enjoy (too
> many "junk" climbs, the type that you can't sink your teeth into), as if
> all climbs are going to be like Page Mill or the Aubisque or West Alpine
> or whatever.
>
> But the surprise of the day was seeing Floyd Landis in the main event.
> It was honestly difficult to tell if he was holding back, intentionally
> settling for 4th to avoid the podium and not create a stir... he
> definitely looked very strong. But geez, the feelings this guy brings
> out in me, and many others, feelings regarding the type of person who
> not only hides behind a lie for several years (as, obviously, many do)
> but cons other people into supporting that lie with their own time &
> money... you see him after the race and you want to ask him about that,
> how he rationalizes is.
>
> But you don't, because in the end, he's just this guy trying to work out
> his life on a bike and, for good or bad, the fact that he's still trying
> to make the bike thing happen, something changes. If he'd left cycling
> (as a profession) and gone on to other things, if I met him at some
> conference somewhere, yeah, I'd feel comfortable asking uncomfortable
> questions. But not today, not when I had the chance, after the race, on
> a side road he was very slowly riding past on, because... because what?
> Because he's still one of us somehow?
>
> Or maybe it's just that "watching a train wreck" thing, you can't take
> your eyes off it, but you also don't want to in any way be responsible
> for it.
>
> In the end I'm a passionately-rabid about the way he treated his friends
> and conned others to believe in his story (big deal, many do that sort
> of thing) and get people to spend their time and literally their money
> promoting his con. But I don't need to heckle him or even ask tough
> questions at a bike race. Journalists should be doing that job. But near
> as I can tell, they aren't.
>
> Sorry for the ramble. Long day.
>
> --Mike-- * * Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com

It is, of course, right not to heckle or otherwise insert yourself
into the sad, pathetic life of Fraud Landis. But, he is most
definitely not "one of us" and deserves no sympathy or forgiveness.
He got caught stealing the greatest prize in professional cycling and
then perpetrated a con-game that even a Hollywood D-list scriptwriter
couldn't conceive. After all of that, the fact that he is still out
there "racing for 4th" instead of picking up litter in an orange
jumpsuit is beyond galling.

[NoDannyNo]

On Jun 21, 7:59*am, Anton Berlin > wrote:
> All of us are just trying to make our way through this thing called
> life.

And some of us are even able to do that without stealing, lying, or
running confidence games.

[--D-y]

On Jun 21, 6:59*am, Anton Berlin > wrote:
> All of us are just trying to make our way through this thing called
> life.

Any of us might have done the same. Many have denied doping even when
"caught", for starters. Once the ball starts rolling...

I'd like to think I'd have been smart enough to take the testo-patch
off my nut sack according to established, timely protocols; but then,
sometimes I forget what day it is, and why I'm standing in front of
the refrigerator with the door open.
--D-y

[Fred Flintstein]

On 6/21/2010 2:07 AM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> But the surprise of the day was seeing Floyd Landis in the main event.
> It was honestly difficult to tell if he was holding back, intentionally
> settling for 4th to avoid the podium and not create a stir... he
> definitely looked very strong.

I doubt he was holding back. His post-transplant career has
not been very heavy with exceptional performances. People
seem to have the expectation that you can replace a hip and
come back 100%. But that really isn't a reasonable
expectation. I think 4th at Nevada City is a good result for
him.

If anyone is going to follow this up and mention Bo Jackson
I just ask that you look up his pre and post hip replacement
stolen base stats before doing that.

I wouldn't lose any sleep over not dumping on him for being a
dirtbag. I'm sure he already knows that, or has rationalized
it away.

Fred Flintstein

[Mike Jacoubowsky]

"Fred Flintstein" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/21/2010 2:07 AM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> But the surprise of the day was seeing Floyd Landis in the main
>> event.
>> It was honestly difficult to tell if he was holding back,
>> intentionally
>> settling for 4th to avoid the podium and not create a stir... he
>> definitely looked very strong.
>
> I doubt he was holding back. His post-transplant career has
> not been very heavy with exceptional performances. People
> seem to have the expectation that you can replace a hip and
> come back 100%. But that really isn't a reasonable
> expectation. I think 4th at Nevada City is a good result for
> him.
>
> If anyone is going to follow this up and mention Bo Jackson
> I just ask that you look up his pre and post hip replacement
> stolen base stats before doing that.
>
> I wouldn't lose any sleep over not dumping on him for being a
> dirtbag. I'm sure he already knows that, or has rationalized
> it away.
>
> Fred Flintstein

But why do the questions about him conning other people out of time &
money not get asked by the press? Because it's not a story with wings
that fly off in untold directions?

I'll look closely at the photos I took and try and get a better read on
his current fitness.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

[Ben Trovato]

On Jun 21, 9:06*am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" >
wrote:
> "Fred Flintstein" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > On 6/21/2010 2:07 AM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> >> But the surprise of the day was seeing Floyd Landis in the main
> >> event.
> >> It was honestly difficult to tell if he was holding back,
> >> intentionally
> >> settling for 4th to avoid the podium and not create a stir... he
> >> definitely looked very strong.
>
> > I doubt he was holding back. His post-transplant career has
> > not been very heavy with exceptional performances. People
> > seem to have the expectation that you can replace a hip and
> > come back 100%. But that really isn't a reasonable
> > expectation. I think 4th at Nevada City is a good result for
> > him.
>
> > If anyone is going to follow this up and mention Bo Jackson
> > I just ask that you look up his pre and post hip replacement
> > stolen base stats before doing that.
>
> > I wouldn't lose any sleep over not dumping on him for being a
> > dirtbag. I'm sure he already knows that, or has rationalized
> > it away.
>
> > Fred Flintstein
>
> But why do the questions about him conning other people out of time &
> money not get asked by the press? Because it's not a story with wings
> that fly off in untold directions?
>
> I'll look closely at the photos I took and try and get a better read on
> his current fitness.
>
> --Mike-- * * Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com

I thought I read that Floyd still maintains that he didn't commit the
infraction for which he got busted; he's confessing to all those other
offenses for which he was never caught. But there's no point in
heckling the man, unless you like kicking injured dogs.

[GoneBeforeMyTime]

Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> "Fred Flintstein" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 6/21/2010 2:07 AM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>>> But the surprise of the day was seeing Floyd Landis in the main
>>> event.
>>> It was honestly difficult to tell if he was holding back,
>>> intentionally
>>> settling for 4th to avoid the podium and not create a stir... he
>>> definitely looked very strong.
>>
>> I doubt he was holding back. His post-transplant career has
>> not been very heavy with exceptional performances. People
>> seem to have the expectation that you can replace a hip and
>> come back 100%. But that really isn't a reasonable
>> expectation. I think 4th at Nevada City is a good result for
>> him.
>>
>> If anyone is going to follow this up and mention Bo Jackson
>> I just ask that you look up his pre and post hip replacement
>> stolen base stats before doing that.
>>
>> I wouldn't lose any sleep over not dumping on him for being a
>> dirtbag. I'm sure he already knows that, or has rationalized
>> it away.
>>
>> Fred Flintstein
>
> But why do the questions about him conning other people out of time &
> money not get asked by the press? Because it's not a story with wings
> that fly off in untold directions?
>
> I'll look closely at the photos I took and try and get a better read
> on his current fitness.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

Why don't you tell us who won the friggin race, male and female pros, not
the lower stuff. Also this was the 50th, clue us in on the festive part. Was
there a big turnout, lot of barbe, what was different about it being the
50th? There was buzz about Lance coming back, great matchup, Lance and
Floyd!

[GoneBeforeMyTime]

GoneBeforeMyTime wrote:
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> "Fred Flintstein" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 6/21/2010 2:07 AM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>>>> But the surprise of the day was seeing Floyd Landis in the main
>>>> event.
>>>> It was honestly difficult to tell if he was holding back,
>>>> intentionally
>>>> settling for 4th to avoid the podium and not create a stir... he
>>>> definitely looked very strong.
>>>
>>> I doubt he was holding back. His post-transplant career has
>>> not been very heavy with exceptional performances. People
>>> seem to have the expectation that you can replace a hip and
>>> come back 100%. But that really isn't a reasonable
>>> expectation. I think 4th at Nevada City is a good result for
>>> him.
>>>
>>> If anyone is going to follow this up and mention Bo Jackson
>>> I just ask that you look up his pre and post hip replacement
>>> stolen base stats before doing that.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't lose any sleep over not dumping on him for being a
>>> dirtbag. I'm sure he already knows that, or has rationalized
>>> it away.
>>>
>>> Fred Flintstein
>>
>> But why do the questions about him conning other people out of time &
>> money not get asked by the press? Because it's not a story with wings
>> that fly off in untold directions?
>>
>> I'll look closely at the photos I took and try and get a better read
>> on his current fitness.
>>
>> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
>> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
> Why don't you tell us who won the friggin race, male and female pros,
> not the lower stuff. Also this was the 50th, clue us in on the
> festive part. Was there a big turnout, lot of barbe, what was
> different about it being the 50th? There was buzz about Lance coming
> back, great matchup, Lance and Floyd!

Well, surprised to see USAC get the results up so quickly. Better turnout
then I expected, many do not use Sportsbaseline.

[Anton Berlin]

On Jun 21, 8:29*am, Fred Flintstein >
wrote:
> On 6/21/2010 2:07 AM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>
> > But the surprise of the day was seeing Floyd Landis in the main event.
> > It was honestly difficult to tell if he was holding back, intentionally
> > settling for 4th to avoid the podium and not create a stir... he
> > definitely looked very strong.
>
> I doubt he was holding back. His post-transplant career has
> not been very heavy with exceptional performances. People
> seem to have the expectation that you can replace a hip and
> come back 100%. But that really isn't a reasonable
> expectation. I think 4th at Nevada City is a good result for
> him.
>
> If anyone is going to follow this up and mention Bo Jackson
> I just ask that you look up his pre and post hip replacement
> stolen base stats before doing that.
>
> I wouldn't lose any sleep over not dumping on him for being a
> dirtbag. I'm sure he already knows that, or has rationalized
> it away.
>
> Fred Flintstein

Oh Henry....

[Frederick the Great[_2_]]

In article
>,
Ben Trovato > wrote:

> On Jun 21, 9:06Â*am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" >
> wrote:
> > "Fred Flintstein" > wrote in message
> >
> > ...
> >
> >
> >
> > > On 6/21/2010 2:07 AM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> > >> But the surprise of the day was seeing Floyd Landis in the main
> > >> event.
> > >> It was honestly difficult to tell if he was holding back,
> > >> intentionally
> > >> settling for 4th to avoid the podium and not create a stir... he
> > >> definitely looked very strong.
> >
> > > I doubt he was holding back. His post-transplant career has
> > > not been very heavy with exceptional performances. People
> > > seem to have the expectation that you can replace a hip and
> > > come back 100%. But that really isn't a reasonable
> > > expectation. I think 4th at Nevada City is a good result for
> > > him.
> >
> > > If anyone is going to follow this up and mention Bo Jackson
> > > I just ask that you look up his pre and post hip replacement
> > > stolen base stats before doing that.
> >
> > > I wouldn't lose any sleep over not dumping on him for being a
> > > dirtbag. I'm sure he already knows that, or has rationalized
> > > it away.
> >
> > But why do the questions about him conning other people out of time &
> > money not get asked by the press? Because it's not a story with wings
> > that fly off in untold directions?
> >
> > I'll look closely at the photos I took and try and get a better read on
> > his current fitness.
>
> I thought I read that Floyd still maintains that he didn't commit the
> infraction for which he got busted; he's confessing to all those other
> offenses for which he was never caught. But there's no point in
> heckling the man, unless you like kicking injured dogs.

Floyd attacks people.
A dog that attacks people is killed.
Therefore your metaphor fails.

--
Old Fritz

[K. Fred Gauss[_6_]]

Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> So my son and I head up to Nevada City, to get in a ride and catch the
> race (he wants to get more experience with photographing bike races
> before heading to France in July). Nice day, got in a
> not-too-challenging 45 mile ride which he didn't particularly enjoy (too
> many "junk" climbs, the type that you can't sink your teeth into), as if
> all climbs are going to be like Page Mill or the Aubisque or West Alpine
> or whatever.
>
> But the surprise of the day was seeing Floyd Landis in the main event.
> It was honestly difficult to tell if he was holding back, intentionally
> settling for 4th to avoid the podium and not create a stir... he
> definitely looked very strong. But geez, the feelings this guy brings
> out in me, and many others, feelings regarding the type of person who
> not only hides behind a lie for several years (as, obviously, many do)
> but cons other people into supporting that lie with their own time &
> money... you see him after the race and you want to ask him about that,
> how he rationalizes is.
>
> But you don't, because in the end, he's just this guy trying to work out
> his life on a bike and, for good or bad, the fact that he's still trying
> to make the bike thing happen, something changes. If he'd left cycling
> (as a profession) and gone on to other things, if I met him at some
> conference somewhere, yeah, I'd feel comfortable asking uncomfortable
> questions. But not today, not when I had the chance, after the race, on
> a side road he was very slowly riding past on, because... because what?
> Because he's still one of us somehow?
>
> Or maybe it's just that "watching a train wreck" thing, you can't take
> your eyes off it, but you also don't want to in any way be responsible
> for it.
>
> In the end I'm a passionately-rabid about the way he treated his friends
> and conned others to believe in his story (big deal, many do that sort
> of thing) and get people to spend their time and literally their money
> promoting his con. But I don't need to heckle him or even ask tough
> questions at a bike race. Journalists should be doing that job. But near
> as I can tell, they aren't.
>
> Sorry for the ramble. Long day.
>
>

Just because Floyd behaved badly, that doesn't justify my own
judgmental, self-righteous bull****. I wouldn't heckle him either.

[z, fred]

Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> So my son and I head up to Nevada City, to get in a ride and catch the
> race (he wants to get more experience with photographing bike races
> before heading to France in July). Nice day, got in a
> not-too-challenging 45 mile ride which he didn't particularly enjoy (too
> many "junk" climbs, the type that you can't sink your teeth into), as if
> all climbs are going to be like Page Mill or the Aubisque or West Alpine
> or whatever.
>
> But the surprise of the day was seeing Floyd Landis in the main event.
> It was honestly difficult to tell if he was holding back, intentionally
> settling for 4th to avoid the podium and not create a stir... he
> definitely looked very strong. But geez, the feelings this guy brings
> out in me, and many others, feelings regarding the type of person who
> not only hides behind a lie for several years (as, obviously, many do)
> but cons other people into supporting that lie with their own time &
> money... you see him after the race and you want to ask him about that,
> how he rationalizes is.
>
> But you don't, because in the end, he's just this guy trying to work out
> his life on a bike and, for good or bad, the fact that he's still trying
> to make the bike thing happen, something changes. If he'd left cycling
> (as a profession) and gone on to other things, if I met him at some
> conference somewhere, yeah, I'd feel comfortable asking uncomfortable
> questions. But not today, not when I had the chance, after the race, on
> a side road he was very slowly riding past on, because... because what?
> Because he's still one of us somehow?
>
> Or maybe it's just that "watching a train wreck" thing, you can't take
> your eyes off it, but you also don't want to in any way be responsible
> for it.
>
> In the end I'm a passionately-rabid about the way he treated his friends
> and conned others to believe in his story (big deal, many do that sort
> of thing) and get people to spend their time and literally their money
> promoting his con. But I don't need to heckle him or even ask tough
> questions at a bike race. Journalists should be doing that job. But near
> as I can tell, they aren't.
>
> Sorry for the ramble. Long day.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
>
>

This guy?

<http://groups.google.com/groups/search?hl=en&as_q=&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&num=10&scoring=&lr=&as_sitesearch=&as_qdr=&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=2010&as_maxd=1&as_maxm=1&as_maxy=2010&as_ugroup=rec.bicycles.racing&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=uce%40ftc.gov&safe=off>

http://preview.tinyurl.com/23b5odq

[Nuxx Bar]

On Jun 22, 3:35*am, "z, fred" > wrote:
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> > So my son and I head up to Nevada City, to get in a ride and catch the
> > race (he wants to get more experience with photographing bike races
> > before heading to France in July). Nice day, got in a
> > not-too-challenging 45 mile ride which he didn't particularly enjoy (too
> > many "junk" climbs, the type that you can't sink your teeth into), as if
> > all climbs are going to be like Page Mill or the Aubisque or West Alpine
> > or whatever.
>
> > But the surprise of the day was seeing Floyd Landis in the main event.
> > It was honestly difficult to tell if he was holding back, intentionally
> > settling for 4th to avoid the podium and not create a stir... he
> > definitely looked very strong. But geez, the feelings this guy brings
> > out in me, and many others, feelings regarding the type of person who
> > not only hides behind a lie for several years (as, obviously, many do)
> > but cons other people into supporting that lie with their own time &
> > money... you see him after the race and you want to ask him about that,
> > how he rationalizes is.
>
> > But you don't, because in the end, he's just this guy trying to work out
> > his life on a bike and, for good or bad, the fact that he's still trying
> > to make the bike thing happen, something changes. If he'd left cycling
> > (as a profession) and gone on to other things, if I met him at some
> > conference somewhere, yeah, I'd feel comfortable asking uncomfortable
> > questions. But not today, not when I had the chance, after the race, on
> > a side road he was very slowly riding past on, because... because what?
> > Because he's still one of us somehow?
>
> > Or maybe it's just that "watching a train wreck" thing, you can't take
> > your eyes off it, but you also don't want to in any way be responsible
> > for it.
>
> > In the end I'm a passionately-rabid about the way he treated his friends
> > and conned others to believe in his story (big deal, many do that sort
> > of thing) and get people to spend their time and literally their money
> > promoting his con. But I don't need to heckle him or even ask tough
> > questions at a bike race. Journalists should be doing that job. But near
> > as I can tell, they aren't.
>
> > Sorry for the ramble. Long day.
>
> > --Mike-- * * Chain Reaction Bicycles
> >www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
> This guy?
>
> <http://groups.google.com/groups/search?hl=en&as_q=&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_...>
>
> http://preview.tinyurl.com/23b5odq

Actually that person got told off by the Feds for using
(especially amusing considering how sanctimonious he is about others
not using their real details), so now he uses .

In any event he's a dishonest car-hating piece of **** who is deeply
despised all over the Internet, not so much for his freedom-hating,
control freak opinions and agendas, but for never admitting when he's
been beaten (and using disingenuous tactics to avoid doing so), trying
to gag those who dare to disagree with him, repeatedly causing
unprovoked friction between him and his opponents, and *definitely*
never answering difficult questions (try asking him whether he's ever
posted as Lou Knee: he won't answer because "Yes" would make him look
bad, and "No" would be a lie, which apparently means that some
fairytale invention in the sky would strike him down immediately...sad
that a 50-something would live his life in fear of such things, but
with him it's not really surprising).

[Fred Flintstein]

On 6/22/2010 12:29 PM, nmp wrote:
> NoDannyNo wrote:
>
>> It is, of course, right not to heckle or otherwise insert yourself into
>> the sad, pathetic life of Fraud Landis. But, he is most definitely not
>> "one of us" and deserves no sympathy or forgiveness.
>
> Power-abusing politicians do not deserve sympathy or forgiveness. The
> rest of humankind, does.

The more cynical of us might hold out for heartfelt regret.
One of the components of forgiveness is an understanding
that the subject has done something wrong.

Apparently Floyd checked with the organizer before showing
up in Nevada City. If I would have gotten a call like that
I would have told him that it would be better for everyone,
himself included, to move on from cycling. His ability to
make a living racing a bike is done and drawing that process
out to it's painful and inevitable conclusion is not a well
thought out plan.

But I'll bet that's what he does.

Fred Flintstein

[[email protected]]

On 22 Jun 2010 17:29:51 GMT, nmp > wrote:

>Power-abusing politicians do not deserve sympathy or forgiveness. The
>rest of humankind, does.

Obviously you have never met a psychopath. Outside of rbr, that is...

Curtis L. Russell
My psychiatrist accused me of being a homicidal psychopath. And I'm
sure I regret his unfortunate demise as much as the next person.

[NoDannyNo]

On Jun 22, 1:29*pm, nmp > wrote:
> NoDannyNo wrote:
> > It is, of course, *right not to heckle or otherwise insert yourself into
> > the sad, pathetic life of Fraud Landis. *But, he is most definitely not
> > "one of us" and deserves no sympathy or forgiveness.
>
> Power-abusing politicians do not deserve sympathy or forgiveness. The
> rest of humankind, does.

Bull****.

[Mr. Benn[_4_]]

"Nuxx Bar" > wrote in message
...
>> This guy?
>>
>> <http://groups.google.com/groups/search?hl=en&as_q=&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_...>
>>
>> http://preview.tinyurl.com/23b5odq
>
> Actually that person got told off by the Feds for using
> (especially amusing considering how sanctimonious he is about others
> not using their real details), so now he uses .

Where is your evidence for that or did you just make it up?

[Just zis Guy, you know?[_2_]]

On Jun 23, 9:23*am, "Mr. Benn" > wrote:

> > Actually that person got told off by the Feds for using
> > (especially amusing considering how sanctimonious he is about others
> > not using their real details), so now he uses .

> Where is your evidence for that or did you just make it up?

He made it up, of course (and of course got the domain name wrong in
the process). I don't think they publish that address any more, it was
for reporting spam. It was temporarily amusing to think of harvesters
picking it up and sending spam to the FTC's spam reporting address.
--
Guy

[Frederick the Great[_2_]]

In article >,
wrote:

> On 22 Jun 2010 17:29:51 GMT, nmp > wrote:
>
> >Power-abusing politicians do not deserve sympathy or forgiveness. The
> >rest of humankind, does.
>
> Obviously you have never met a psychopath. Outside of rbr, that is...

People meet them all the time.
The trick is recognizing them;
then having the tools, resources,
and will to keep them from hurting
you and yours.

--
Old Fritz

[Frederick the Great[_2_]]

In article >,
wrote:

> On 22 Jun 2010 17:29:51 GMT, nmp > wrote:
>
> >Power-abusing politicians do not deserve sympathy or forgiveness. The
> >rest of humankind, does.
>
> My psychiatrist accused me of being a homicidal psychopath. And I'm
> sure I regret his unfortunate demise as much as the next person.

I went to my psychiatrist. He told me I'm crazy. I said
"I want a second opinion." He said "Okay, your ugly too."

--
Old Fritz

[Henry[_4_]]

On Jun 21, 7:07*pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" >
wrote:
> So my son and I head up to Nevada City, to get in a ride and catch the
> race (he wants to get more experience with photographing bike races
> before heading to France in July). Nice day, got in a
> not-too-challenging 45 mile ride which he didn't particularly enjoy (too
> many "junk" climbs, the type that you can't sink your teeth into), as if
> all climbs are going to be like Page Mill or the Aubisque or West Alpine
> or whatever.
>
> But the surprise of the day was seeing Floyd Landis in the main event.
> It was honestly difficult to tell if he was holding back, intentionally
> settling for 4th to avoid the podium and not create a stir... he
> definitely looked very strong. But geez, the feelings this guy brings
> out in me, and many others, feelings regarding the type of person who
> not only hides behind a lie for several years (as, obviously, many do)
> but cons other people into supporting that lie with their own time &
> money... you see him after the race and you want to ask him about that,
> how he rationalizes is.
>
> But you don't, because in the end, he's just this guy trying to work out
> his life on a bike and, for good or bad, the fact that he's still trying
> to make the bike thing happen, something changes. If he'd left cycling
> (as a profession) and gone on to other things, if I met him at some
> conference somewhere, yeah, I'd feel comfortable asking uncomfortable
> questions. But not today, not when I had the chance, after the race, on
> a side road he was very slowly riding past on, because... because what?
> Because he's still one of us somehow?
>
> Or maybe it's just that "watching a train wreck" thing, you can't take
> your eyes off it, but you also don't want to in any way be responsible
> for it.
>
> In the end I'm a passionately-rabid about the way he treated his friends
> and conned others to believe in his story (big deal, many do that sort
> of thing) and get people to spend their time and literally their money
> promoting his con. But I don't need to heckle him or even ask tough
> questions at a bike race. Journalists should be doing that job. But near
> as I can tell, they aren't.
>
> Sorry for the ramble. Long day.
>
> --Mike-- * * Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com

we had a similar thing happen here (in NZL).
One of our top racers got banned for 2 years
http://tvnz.co.nz/view/sport_story_skin/461203

because his ban had not started for this (our most high profile race,
10 000 participants) , the organisers had no choice.
I did the event, and it was very, very hard not to go "boo you
cheating c*nt" when he got the winners cheque.
Same as Floyd, if there was going to be some genuine redemption, he
should have donated it to the race (or any) charity.

I think Floyd can still earn money going in non-team races, or could
even switch codes to triathlon.
Of course, if he just wants to keep being a drugs cheat, couldn't he
switch to baseball, basketball or American football?

[Fred Flintstein]

On 6/25/2010 1:19 AM, Henry wrote:
> Of course, if he just wants to keep being a drugs cheat, couldn't he
> switch to baseball, basketball or American football?

They're all clean, no one ever comes up positive. Just like
the World Cup, everyone is clean and all the attention is
on the sporting spectacle.

Cycling could learn a lot from that crowd.

Fred Flintstein