Nuxx Bar
June 22nd 10, 06:59 PM
On Jun 22, 3:35*am, "z, fred" > wrote:
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> > So my son and I head up to Nevada City, to get in a ride and catch the
> > race (he wants to get more experience with photographing bike races
> > before heading to France in July). Nice day, got in a
> > not-too-challenging 45 mile ride which he didn't particularly enjoy (too
> > many "junk" climbs, the type that you can't sink your teeth into), as if
> > all climbs are going to be like Page Mill or the Aubisque or West Alpine
> > or whatever.
>
> > But the surprise of the day was seeing Floyd Landis in the main event.
> > It was honestly difficult to tell if he was holding back, intentionally
> > settling for 4th to avoid the podium and not create a stir... he
> > definitely looked very strong. But geez, the feelings this guy brings
> > out in me, and many others, feelings regarding the type of person who
> > not only hides behind a lie for several years (as, obviously, many do)
> > but cons other people into supporting that lie with their own time &
> > money... you see him after the race and you want to ask him about that,
> > how he rationalizes is.
>
> > But you don't, because in the end, he's just this guy trying to work out
> > his life on a bike and, for good or bad, the fact that he's still trying
> > to make the bike thing happen, something changes. If he'd left cycling
> > (as a profession) and gone on to other things, if I met him at some
> > conference somewhere, yeah, I'd feel comfortable asking uncomfortable
> > questions. But not today, not when I had the chance, after the race, on
> > a side road he was very slowly riding past on, because... because what?
> > Because he's still one of us somehow?
>
> > Or maybe it's just that "watching a train wreck" thing, you can't take
> > your eyes off it, but you also don't want to in any way be responsible
> > for it.
>
> > In the end I'm a passionately-rabid about the way he treated his friends
> > and conned others to believe in his story (big deal, many do that sort
> > of thing) and get people to spend their time and literally their money
> > promoting his con. But I don't need to heckle him or even ask tough
> > questions at a bike race. Journalists should be doing that job. But near
> > as I can tell, they aren't.
>
> > Sorry for the ramble. Long day.
>
> > --Mike-- * * Chain Reaction Bicycles
> >www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
> This guy?
>
> <http://groups.google.com/groups/search?hl=en&as_q=&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_...>
>
> http://preview.tinyurl.com/23b5odq
Actually that person got told off by the Feds for using
(especially amusing considering how sanctimonious he is about others
not using their real details), so now he uses .
In any event he's a dishonest car-hating piece of **** who is deeply
despised all over the Internet, not so much for his freedom-hating,
control freak opinions and agendas, but for never admitting when he's
been beaten (and using disingenuous tactics to avoid doing so), trying
to gag those who dare to disagree with him, repeatedly causing
unprovoked friction between him and his opponents, and *definitely*
never answering difficult questions (try asking him whether he's ever
posted as Lou Knee: he won't answer because "Yes" would make him look
bad, and "No" would be a lie, which apparently means that some
fairytale invention in the sky would strike him down immediately...sad
that a 50-something would live his life in fear of such things, but
with him it's not really surprising).
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> > So my son and I head up to Nevada City, to get in a ride and catch the
> > race (he wants to get more experience with photographing bike races
> > before heading to France in July). Nice day, got in a
> > not-too-challenging 45 mile ride which he didn't particularly enjoy (too
> > many "junk" climbs, the type that you can't sink your teeth into), as if
> > all climbs are going to be like Page Mill or the Aubisque or West Alpine
> > or whatever.
>
> > But the surprise of the day was seeing Floyd Landis in the main event.
> > It was honestly difficult to tell if he was holding back, intentionally
> > settling for 4th to avoid the podium and not create a stir... he
> > definitely looked very strong. But geez, the feelings this guy brings
> > out in me, and many others, feelings regarding the type of person who
> > not only hides behind a lie for several years (as, obviously, many do)
> > but cons other people into supporting that lie with their own time &
> > money... you see him after the race and you want to ask him about that,
> > how he rationalizes is.
>
> > But you don't, because in the end, he's just this guy trying to work out
> > his life on a bike and, for good or bad, the fact that he's still trying
> > to make the bike thing happen, something changes. If he'd left cycling
> > (as a profession) and gone on to other things, if I met him at some
> > conference somewhere, yeah, I'd feel comfortable asking uncomfortable
> > questions. But not today, not when I had the chance, after the race, on
> > a side road he was very slowly riding past on, because... because what?
> > Because he's still one of us somehow?
>
> > Or maybe it's just that "watching a train wreck" thing, you can't take
> > your eyes off it, but you also don't want to in any way be responsible
> > for it.
>
> > In the end I'm a passionately-rabid about the way he treated his friends
> > and conned others to believe in his story (big deal, many do that sort
> > of thing) and get people to spend their time and literally their money
> > promoting his con. But I don't need to heckle him or even ask tough
> > questions at a bike race. Journalists should be doing that job. But near
> > as I can tell, they aren't.
>
> > Sorry for the ramble. Long day.
>
> > --Mike-- * * Chain Reaction Bicycles
> >www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
> This guy?
>
> <http://groups.google.com/groups/search?hl=en&as_q=&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_...>
>
> http://preview.tinyurl.com/23b5odq
Actually that person got told off by the Feds for using
(especially amusing considering how sanctimonious he is about others
not using their real details), so now he uses .
In any event he's a dishonest car-hating piece of **** who is deeply
despised all over the Internet, not so much for his freedom-hating,
control freak opinions and agendas, but for never admitting when he's
been beaten (and using disingenuous tactics to avoid doing so), trying
to gag those who dare to disagree with him, repeatedly causing
unprovoked friction between him and his opponents, and *definitely*
never answering difficult questions (try asking him whether he's ever
posted as Lou Knee: he won't answer because "Yes" would make him look
bad, and "No" would be a lie, which apparently means that some
fairytale invention in the sky would strike him down immediately...sad
that a 50-something would live his life in fear of such things, but
with him it's not really surprising).