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GoneBeforeMyTime

June 24th 10, 06:24 PM

GoneBeforeMyTime wrote:
> Tom_A wrote:
>
>> If not, what's up with the younger French women?
>
> Nothing, Longo is still as good at 51 as she was 25 years ago. Unlike
> others, her body has lasted, as well as her spirit to race and win.
> Longo always goes to win, nothing else matters to her.

First thing that came to my mind without checking was if Pitel and Bruneau
would be on the podium or close on the results. Sure enough, 2nd and 3rd. So
the French girls are good, those are two solid riders, it's just Longo is
better. The ridculous stigma that somehow the French women suck because
Longo beat them has been beaten to death for years. The fact is, Longo is
still the best, period.

http://courses.femininesassociees.over-blog.com/

thirty-six

June 24th 10, 07:17 PM

On 24 June, 17:51, "GoneBeforeMyTime" > wrote:
> Tom_A wrote:
> > If not, what's up with the younger French women?
>
> Nothing, Longo is still as good at 51 as she was 25 years ago. Unlike
> others, her body has lasted,

Some one who didn't take "**** to enhance recovery". You see in
reality "**** to enhance recovery", doesn't, it just prevents the
damage from interfering with continued training. The only real ways
to enhance recovery involve attention to diet, rest and activity.
It's a 24 hour job being a world class athlete. Short cuts do not pay
dividends in the long term. Now how are those BP shares doing?

> as well as her spirit to race and win. Longo
> always goes to win, nothing else matters to her.

Mike Jacoubowsky

June 24th 10, 10:53 PM

"Brad Anders" > wrote in message
...
On Jun 24, 6:35 am, Keith > wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 06:00:07 -0700 (PDT), Scott
>
> > wrote:
> >Longo wins French National TT championship.
>
> Aged 51, her 57th title and 3rd ITT in a row...
========
24.7 km in 34:51, 42.52 km/hr (26.4 mph). Pretty goddamn fast,
regardless of age. Impressive.

Brad Anders
========

Beryl Burton has been generally regarded as the greatest woman cyclist. Is
that now up for debate?

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

B. Lafferty[_3_]

June 24th 10, 11:28 PM

On 6/24/2010 5:53 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> "Brad Anders" > wrote in message
> ...
> On Jun 24, 6:35 am, Keith > wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 06:00:07 -0700 (PDT), Scott
>>
>> > wrote:
>> >Longo wins French National TT championship.
>>
>> Aged 51, her 57th title and 3rd ITT in a row...
> ========
> 24.7 km in 34:51, 42.52 km/hr (26.4 mph). Pretty goddamn fast,
> regardless of age. Impressive.
>
> Brad Anders
> ========
>
> Beryl Burton has been generally regarded as the greatest woman cyclist.
> Is that now up for debate?
>
> --Mike Jacoubowsky
> Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReaction.com
> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
Maybe Longo is channeling Beryl?

GoneBeforeMyTime

June 24th 10, 11:34 PM

Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> "Brad Anders" > wrote in message
> ...
> On Jun 24, 6:35 am, Keith > wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 06:00:07 -0700 (PDT), Scott
>>
>> > wrote:
>>> Longo wins French National TT championship.
>>
>> Aged 51, her 57th title and 3rd ITT in a row...
> ========
> 24.7 km in 34:51, 42.52 km/hr (26.4 mph). Pretty goddamn fast,
> regardless of age. Impressive.
>
> Brad Anders
> ========
>
> Beryl Burton has been generally regarded as the greatest woman
> cyclist. Is that now up for debate?
>
> --Mike Jacoubowsky

No debate, except if you want to argue with Uncle UK. Burton was a local
legend in the UK. Besides the world road and track championships, she never
rode at a high international level like Longo did for decades now. Longo won
every major classic and stage race worldwide many times over, except the
Giro. She never won the Giro, but clearly Longo is the greatest winning at
the highest level in track, road and even winning MB championships. If you
consider her hour record, and in fact every track record you can think of, I
can't see however anyone who has looked at the data could see it otherwise.
Burton never raced against world class competition like Longo did, except
the World Championships. She's a local legend, but the fact that Longo keeps
winning every year over the age of 50 continues to support Longo as being
the greatest.

RicodJour

June 25th 10, 12:32 AM

On Jun 24, 1:24*pm, "GoneBeforeMyTime" > wrote:
> GoneBeforeMyTime wrote:
> > Tom_A wrote:
>
> >> If not, what's up with the younger French women?
>
> > Nothing, Longo is still as good at 51 as she was 25 years ago. Unlike
> > others, her body has lasted, as well as her spirit to race and win.
> > Longo always goes to win, nothing else matters to her.
>
> First thing that came to my mind without checking was if Pitel and Bruneau
> would be on the podium or close on the results. Sure enough, 2nd and 3rd. So
> the French girls are good, those are two solid riders, it's just Longo is
> better. The ridculous stigma that somehow the French women suck because
> Longo beat them has been beaten to death for years. The fact is, Longo is
> still the best, period.
>
> http://courses.femininesassociees.over-blog.com/

Now we know where the French football mojo went.

R

Mike Jacoubowsky

June 25th 10, 02:38 AM

"GoneBeforeMyTime" > wrote in message
...
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> "Brad Anders" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> On Jun 24, 6:35 am, Keith > wrote:
>>> On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 06:00:07 -0700 (PDT), Scott
>>>
>>> > wrote:
>>>> Longo wins French National TT championship.
>>>
>>> Aged 51, her 57th title and 3rd ITT in a row...
>> ========
>> 24.7 km in 34:51, 42.52 km/hr (26.4 mph). Pretty goddamn fast,
>> regardless of age. Impressive.
>>
>> Brad Anders
>> ========
>>
>> Beryl Burton has been generally regarded as the greatest woman
>> cyclist. Is that now up for debate?
>>
>> --Mike Jacoubowsky
>
> No debate, except if you want to argue with Uncle UK. Burton was a local
> legend in the UK. Besides the world road and track championships, she
> never rode at a high international level like Longo did for decades now.
> Longo won every major classic and stage race worldwide many times over,
> except the Giro. She never won the Giro, but clearly Longo is the greatest
> winning at the highest level in track, road and even winning MB
> championships. If you consider her hour record, and in fact every track
> record you can think of, I can't see however anyone who has looked at the
> data could see it otherwise. Burton never raced against world class
> competition like Longo did, except the World Championships. She's a local
> legend, but the fact that Longo keeps winning every year over the age of
> 50 continues to support Longo as being the greatest.

+1

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

thirty-six

June 25th 10, 04:10 AM

On 24 June, 23:34, "GoneBeforeMyTime" > wrote:
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> > Beryl Burton has been generally regarded as the greatest woman
> > cyclist. Is that now up for debate?
>
> No debate, except if you want to argue with Uncle UK. Burton was a local
> legend in the UK

Interview from 1984 giving some of Beryl's history, a remakable story.
http://www.cyclorama.net/viewArticle.php?id=264

GoneBeforeMyTime

June 25th 10, 04:53 AM

Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> "GoneBeforeMyTime" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>>> "Brad Anders" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> On Jun 24, 6:35 am, Keith > wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 06:00:07 -0700 (PDT), Scott
>>>>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> Longo wins French National TT championship.
>>>>
>>>> Aged 51, her 57th title and 3rd ITT in a row...
>>> ========
>>> 24.7 km in 34:51, 42.52 km/hr (26.4 mph). Pretty goddamn fast,
>>> regardless of age. Impressive.
>>>
>>> Brad Anders
>>> ========
>>>
>>> Beryl Burton has been generally regarded as the greatest woman
>>> cyclist. Is that now up for debate?
>>>
>>> --Mike Jacoubowsky
>>
>> No debate, except if you want to argue with Uncle UK. Burton was a
>> local legend in the UK. Besides the world road and track
>> championships, she never rode at a high international level like
>> Longo did for decades now. Longo won every major classic and stage
>> race worldwide many times over, except the Giro. She never won the
>> Giro, but clearly Longo is the greatest winning at the highest level
>> in track, road and even winning MB championships. If you consider
>> her hour record, and in fact every track record you can think of, I
>> can't see however anyone who has looked at the data could see it
>> otherwise. Burton never raced against world class competition like
>> Longo did, except the World Championships. She's a local legend, but
>> the fact that Longo keeps winning every year over the age of 50
>> continues to support Longo as being the greatest.
>
> +1
>
> --Mike Jacoubowsky

Longo got over 1000 international victories to her credit. Deal with it.
There is nothing to debate. This myth was acceptable before Longo came on
the scene, but Burton is no longer the greatest.

GoneBeforeMyTime

June 25th 10, 04:58 AM

thirty-six wrote:
> On 24 June, 23:34, "GoneBeforeMyTime" > wrote:
>> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>>> Beryl Burton has been generally regarded as the greatest woman
>>> cyclist. Is that now up for debate?
>>
>> No debate, except if you want to argue with Uncle UK. Burton was a
>> local legend in the UK
>
> Interview from 1984 giving some of Beryl's history, a remakable story.
> http://www.cyclorama.net/viewArticle.php?id=264

And this...
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/444416/beryl-burton-british-legend.html

Mike Jacoubowsky

June 25th 10, 06:48 AM

"GoneBeforeMyTime" > wrote in message
...
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> "GoneBeforeMyTime" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>>>> "Brad Anders" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>> On Jun 24, 6:35 am, Keith > wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 06:00:07 -0700 (PDT), Scott
>>>>>
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>> Longo wins French National TT championship.
>>>>>
>>>>> Aged 51, her 57th title and 3rd ITT in a row...
>>>> ========
>>>> 24.7 km in 34:51, 42.52 km/hr (26.4 mph). Pretty goddamn fast,
>>>> regardless of age. Impressive.
>>>>
>>>> Brad Anders
>>>> ========
>>>>
>>>> Beryl Burton has been generally regarded as the greatest woman
>>>> cyclist. Is that now up for debate?
>>>>
>>>> --Mike Jacoubowsky
>>>
>>> No debate, except if you want to argue with Uncle UK. Burton was a
>>> local legend in the UK. Besides the world road and track
>>> championships, she never rode at a high international level like
>>> Longo did for decades now. Longo won every major classic and stage
>>> race worldwide many times over, except the Giro. She never won the
>>> Giro, but clearly Longo is the greatest winning at the highest level
>>> in track, road and even winning MB championships. If you consider
>>> her hour record, and in fact every track record you can think of, I
>>> can't see however anyone who has looked at the data could see it
>>> otherwise. Burton never raced against world class competition like
>>> Longo did, except the World Championships. She's a local legend, but
>>> the fact that Longo keeps winning every year over the age of 50
>>> continues to support Longo as being the greatest.
>>
>> +1
>>
>> --Mike Jacoubowsky
>
> Longo got over 1000 international victories to her credit. Deal with it.
> There is nothing to debate. This myth was acceptable before Longo came on
> the scene, but Burton is no longer the greatest.

What do you think "+1" means?

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

ronaldo_jeremiah

June 25th 10, 03:14 PM

On Jun 24, 10:53*pm, "GoneBeforeMyTime" > wrote:

> Deal with it.

Priceless.

-rj

Fred Flintstein

June 25th 10, 03:48 PM

On 6/24/2010 4:53 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> Beryl Burton has been generally regarded as the greatest woman cyclist.
> Is that now up for debate?

Burton competed at Worlds on a team with her daughter. In
order to do that she had to recognize that there were other
things in life besides racing bikes.

While I certainly respect Longo's immense accomplishments
as a cyclist, I'm not sure how I feel about someone that
doesn't have anything else going on with their life. There
are many others that could choose to compete at high levels
of competition as older athletes. But at some point they
conclude that it is time to move on and "because I can" is
not enough of a justification to do it.

But Longo never found that point. I'm not sure how I feel
about that. But admiration just isn't coming.

Fred Flintstein

Legendary Noob

June 25th 10, 03:51 PM

On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 22:48:38 -0700, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:

> "GoneBeforeMyTime" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> Longo got over 1000 international victories to her credit. Deal with it.
>> There is nothing to debate. This myth was acceptable before Longo came on
>> the scene, but Burton is no longer the greatest.
>
> What do you think "+1" means?
>

lol pwned

Anton Berlin

June 25th 10, 05:30 PM

On Jun 25, 9:48*am, Fred Flintstein >
wrote:
> On 6/24/2010 4:53 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>
> > Beryl Burton has been generally regarded as the greatest woman cyclist.
> > Is that now up for debate?
>
> Burton competed at Worlds on a team with her daughter. In
> order to do that she had to recognize that there were other
> things in life besides racing bikes.
>
> While I certainly respect Longo's immense accomplishments
> as a cyclist, I'm not sure how I feel about someone that
> doesn't have anything else going on with their life. There
> are many others that could choose to compete at high levels
> of competition as older athletes. But at some point they
> conclude that it is time to move on and "because I can" is
> not enough of a justification to do it.
>
> But Longo never found that point. I'm not sure how I feel
> about that. But admiration just isn't coming.
>
> Fred Flintstein

****ing freek - Longo plays the piano and plays it very well. Some
people have better things to do then to pollute the planet with clones
of themselves.

http://i46.tinypic.com/2hozp1h.jpg

GoneBeforeMyTime

June 25th 10, 06:14 PM

Anton Berlin wrote:
> On Jun 25, 9:48 am, Fred Flintstein >
> wrote:
>> On 6/24/2010 4:53 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>>
>>> Beryl Burton has been generally regarded as the greatest woman
>>> cyclist. Is that now up for debate?
>>
>> Burton competed at Worlds on a team with her daughter. In
>> order to do that she had to recognize that there were other
>> things in life besides racing bikes.
>>
>> While I certainly respect Longo's immense accomplishments
>> as a cyclist, I'm not sure how I feel about someone that
>> doesn't have anything else going on with their life. There
>> are many others that could choose to compete at high levels
>> of competition as older athletes. But at some point they
>> conclude that it is time to move on and "because I can" is
>> not enough of a justification to do it.
>>
>> But Longo never found that point. I'm not sure how I feel
>> about that. But admiration just isn't coming.
>>
>> Fred Flintstein
>
> ****ing freek - Longo plays the piano and plays it very well. Some
> people have better things to do then to pollute the planet with clones
> of themselves.
>
> http://i46.tinypic.com/2hozp1h.jpg

Longo also well connected, lots of friends in both USA and Europe,
especially France. From even short accounts, her life is full of fun and
meaning besides being the best ever at road racing. I've heard her play, not
bad. What I find most amazing is her military like discipline in the sport.
That's certainly one aspect of what you would expect from a pro. All Pros
know preparation is key, but I find it incredible that she was constantly on
the move all those years back and forth from Europe to America to race.
Traveling in itself is stressful, and I can't imagine how many plane trips
she has made in the last 30 years. My favorite attribute in Longo is her
ability to do several different races in one day and win them. Racing
perhaps in the morning, then getting in the car traveling many miles to race
in the afternoon, and she did it quite often for many years. That's got to
be incredibly stressful. What other women has even done that? Van Moorsel,
no, Luperini, no, no one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cBmwjz8Vng

Fred Flintstein

June 25th 10, 06:59 PM

On 6/25/2010 12:14 PM, GoneBeforeMyTime wrote:
> Anton Berlin wrote:
>> On Jun 25, 9:48 am, Fred >
>> wrote:
>>> On 6/24/2010 4:53 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>>>
>>>> Beryl Burton has been generally regarded as the greatest woman
>>>> cyclist. Is that now up for debate?
>>>
>>> Burton competed at Worlds on a team with her daughter. In
>>> order to do that she had to recognize that there were other
>>> things in life besides racing bikes.
>>>
>>> While I certainly respect Longo's immense accomplishments
>>> as a cyclist, I'm not sure how I feel about someone that
>>> doesn't have anything else going on with their life. There
>>> are many others that could choose to compete at high levels
>>> of competition as older athletes. But at some point they
>>> conclude that it is time to move on and "because I can" is
>>> not enough of a justification to do it.
>>>
>>> But Longo never found that point. I'm not sure how I feel
>>> about that. But admiration just isn't coming.
>>>
>>> Fred Flintstein
>>
>> ****ing freek - Longo plays the piano and plays it very well. Some
>> people have better things to do then to pollute the planet with clones
>> of themselves.
>>
>> http://i46.tinypic.com/2hozp1h.jpg
>
> Longo also well connected, lots of friends in both USA and Europe,
> especially France. From even short accounts, her life is full of fun and
> meaning besides being the best ever at road racing. I've heard her play, not
> bad. What I find most amazing is her military like discipline in the sport.
> That's certainly one aspect of what you would expect from a pro. All Pros
> know preparation is key, but I find it incredible that she was constantly on
> the move all those years back and forth from Europe to America to race.
> Traveling in itself is stressful, and I can't imagine how many plane trips
> she has made in the last 30 years. My favorite attribute in Longo is her
> ability to do several different races in one day and win them. Racing
> perhaps in the morning, then getting in the car traveling many miles to race
> in the afternoon, and she did it quite often for many years. That's got to
> be incredibly stressful. What other women has even done that? Van Moorsel,
> no, Luperini, no, no one.
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cBmwjz8Vng
>
>

Thanks. Without intending to, you've reinforced my point. Maybe
the reason no one lives the way Longo does is because that isn't
an intelligent way to live.

And yes, she is without peer as a bike racer.

Fred Flintstein

Brad Anders

June 25th 10, 07:11 PM

On Jun 25, 10:59*am, Fred Flintstein
> wrote:
> On 6/25/2010 12:14 PM, GoneBeforeMyTime wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Anton Berlin wrote:
> >> On Jun 25, 9:48 am, Fred >
> >> wrote:
> >>> On 6/24/2010 4:53 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>
> >>>> Beryl Burton has been generally regarded as the greatest woman
> >>>> cyclist. Is that now up for debate?
>
> >>> Burton competed at Worlds on a team with her daughter. In
> >>> order to do that she had to recognize that there were other
> >>> things in life besides racing bikes.
>
> >>> While I certainly respect Longo's immense accomplishments
> >>> as a cyclist, I'm not sure how I feel about someone that
> >>> doesn't have anything else going on with their life. There
> >>> are many others that could choose to compete at high levels
> >>> of competition as older athletes. But at some point they
> >>> conclude that it is time to move on and "because I can" is
> >>> not enough of a justification to do it.
>
> >>> But Longo never found that point. I'm not sure how I feel
> >>> about that. But admiration just isn't coming.
>
> >>> Fred Flintstein
>
> >> ****ing freek - Longo plays the piano and plays it very well. *Some
> >> people have better things to do then to pollute the planet with clones
> >> of themselves.
>
> >>http://i46.tinypic.com/2hozp1h.jpg
>
> > Longo also well connected, lots of friends in both USA and Europe,
> > especially France. From even short accounts, her life is full of fun and
> > meaning besides being the best ever at road racing. I've heard her play, not
> > bad. What I find most amazing is her military like discipline in the sport.
> > That's certainly one aspect of what you would expect from a pro. All Pros
> > know preparation is key, but I find it incredible that she was constantly on
> > the move all those years back and forth from Europe to America to race.
> > Traveling in itself is stressful, and I can't imagine how many plane trips
> > she has made in the last 30 years. My favorite attribute in Longo is her
> > ability to do several different races in one day and win them. Racing
> > perhaps in the morning, then getting in the car traveling many miles to race
> > in the afternoon, and she did it quite often for many years. That's got to
> > be incredibly stressful. What other women has even done that? Van Moorsel,
> > no, Luperini, no, no one.
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cBmwjz8Vng
>
> Thanks. Without intending to, you've reinforced my point. Maybe
> the reason no one lives the way Longo does is because that isn't
> an intelligent way to live.
>
> And yes, she is without peer as a bike racer.
>
> Fred Flintstein

I don't look to pro athletes when I'm looking for role models on how
to live my life in the first place. Or musicians. Or movie stars. Or
politicians.

So, if Longo wants to be childless, and spend her whole life racing
her bike, and playing the piano, I'm glad that's working for her.

Brad Anders

Fred Flintstein

June 25th 10, 07:13 PM

On 6/25/2010 11:30 AM, Anton Berlin wrote:
> On Jun 25, 9:48 am, Fred >
> wrote:
>> On 6/24/2010 4:53 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>>
>>> Beryl Burton has been generally regarded as the greatest woman cyclist.
>>> Is that now up for debate?
>>
>> Burton competed at Worlds on a team with her daughter. In
>> order to do that she had to recognize that there were other
>> things in life besides racing bikes.
>>
>> While I certainly respect Longo's immense accomplishments
>> as a cyclist, I'm not sure how I feel about someone that
>> doesn't have anything else going on with their life. There
>> are many others that could choose to compete at high levels
>> of competition as older athletes. But at some point they
>> conclude that it is time to move on and "because I can" is
>> not enough of a justification to do it.
>>
>> But Longo never found that point. I'm not sure how I feel
>> about that. But admiration just isn't coming.
>>
>> Fred Flintstein
>
> ****ing freek - Longo plays the piano and plays it very well. Some
> people have better things to do then to pollute the planet with clones
> of themselves.
>
> http://i46.tinypic.com/2hozp1h.jpg

Fockstick,

I wasn't just referring to starting a family. Linda Jackson
is an example of someone that could still be competitive in
women's racing if she so chose, but chose instead to move on
to one of the many other possibilities that are more
attractive to her at this stage of her life.

Fred Flintstein

GoneBeforeMyTime

June 25th 10, 07:30 PM

Brad Anders wrote:
> On Jun 25, 10:59 am, Fred Flintstein
> > wrote:
>> On 6/25/2010 12:14 PM, GoneBeforeMyTime wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Anton Berlin wrote:
>>>> On Jun 25, 9:48 am, Fred
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> On 6/24/2010 4:53 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>>
>>>>>> Beryl Burton has been generally regarded as the greatest woman
>>>>>> cyclist. Is that now up for debate?
>>
>>>>> Burton competed at Worlds on a team with her daughter. In
>>>>> order to do that she had to recognize that there were other
>>>>> things in life besides racing bikes.
>>
>>>>> While I certainly respect Longo's immense accomplishments
>>>>> as a cyclist, I'm not sure how I feel about someone that
>>>>> doesn't have anything else going on with their life. There
>>>>> are many others that could choose to compete at high levels
>>>>> of competition as older athletes. But at some point they
>>>>> conclude that it is time to move on and "because I can" is
>>>>> not enough of a justification to do it.
>>
>>>>> But Longo never found that point. I'm not sure how I feel
>>>>> about that. But admiration just isn't coming.
>>
>>>>> Fred Flintstein
>>
>>>> ****ing freek - Longo plays the piano and plays it very well. Some
>>>> people have better things to do then to pollute the planet with
>>>> clones of themselves.
>>
>>>> http://i46.tinypic.com/2hozp1h.jpg
>>
>>> Longo also well connected, lots of friends in both USA and Europe,
>>> especially France. From even short accounts, her life is full of
>>> fun and meaning besides being the best ever at road racing. I've
>>> heard her play, not bad. What I find most amazing is her military
>>> like discipline in the sport. That's certainly one aspect of what
>>> you would expect from a pro. All Pros know preparation is key, but
>>> I find it incredible that she was constantly on the move all those
>>> years back and forth from Europe to America to race. Traveling in
>>> itself is stressful, and I can't imagine how many plane trips she
>>> has made in the last 30 years. My favorite attribute in Longo is
>>> her ability to do several different races in one day and win them.
>>> Racing perhaps in the morning, then getting in the car traveling
>>> many miles to race in the afternoon, and she did it quite often for
>>> many years. That's got to be incredibly stressful. What other women
>>> has even done that? Van Moorsel, no, Luperini, no, no one.
>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cBmwjz8Vng
>>
>> Thanks. Without intending to, you've reinforced my point. Maybe
>> the reason no one lives the way Longo does is because that isn't
>> an intelligent way to live.
>>
>> And yes, she is without peer as a bike racer.
>>
>> Fred Flintstein
>
> I don't look to pro athletes when I'm looking for role models on how
> to live my life in the first place. Or musicians. Or movie stars. Or
> politicians.
>
> So, if Longo wants to be childless, and spend her whole life racing
> her bike, and playing the piano, I'm glad that's working for her.
>
> Brad Anders

I don't think she wanted to be childless. I believe at one time, they tried.
However role model wasn't on my radar either. I was just amazed by her
dedication in her racing career. Leontien certainly knew how to get it up,
but she wasn't always consistent. Longo had it up and kept it up for over 30
years now. That's admirable on the level with many great long term career
pros in other sports. Just a quick check, only Lance made this list for
cyclists.
http://www.thebest100lists.com/best100athletes/

Fred Flintstein

June 25th 10, 07:53 PM

On 6/25/2010 1:11 PM, Brad Anders wrote:
> I don't look to pro athletes when I'm looking for role models on how
> to live my life in the first place. Or musicians. Or movie stars. Or
> politicians.
>
> So, if Longo wants to be childless, and spend her whole life racing
> her bike, and playing the piano, I'm glad that's working for her.
>
> Brad Anders

Exactly so. It is no business of mine how she lives
her life. And I am sure she will get along just fine
without my admiration.

It wasn't just raising children specifically that I
was referring to. I think that dedicating your life
to racing bikes is OK for a while. But I think to not
have found a different path at her age is exceptional,
and not in a positive way.

Linda Jackson creates a new career for herself every
couple of years. I think that's every bit as
exceptional, in a positive way, as what Longo has
accomplished.

Fred Flintstein

Betty[_2_]

June 25th 10, 08:36 PM

GoneBeforeMyTime wrote:
>> Deal with it.

ronaldo_jeremiah wrote:
> Priceless.

Charge it to your rbr branded credit card.

Betty[_2_]

June 25th 10, 08:37 PM

Fred Flintstein wrote:
> While I certainly respect Longo's immense accomplishments
> as a cyclist, I'm not sure how I feel about someone that
> doesn't have anything else going on with their life. There
> are many others that could choose to compete at high levels
> of competition as older athletes. But at some point they
> conclude that it is time to move on and "because I can" is
> not enough of a justification to do it.

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho1yJwvWCrw>

KGring

June 25th 10, 09:25 PM

On Jun 25, 11:11*am, Brad Anders > wrote:
> On Jun 25, 10:59*am, Fred Flintstein
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> > On 6/25/2010 12:14 PM, GoneBeforeMyTime wrote:
>
> > > Anton Berlin wrote:
> > >> On Jun 25, 9:48 am, Fred >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>> On 6/24/2010 4:53 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>
> > >>>> Beryl Burton has been generally regarded as the greatest woman
> > >>>> cyclist. Is that now up for debate?
>
> > >>> Burton competed at Worlds on a team with her daughter. In
> > >>> order to do that she had to recognize that there were other
> > >>> things in life besides racing bikes.
>
> > >>> While I certainly respect Longo's immense accomplishments
> > >>> as a cyclist, I'm not sure how I feel about someone that
> > >>> doesn't have anything else going on with their life. There
> > >>> are many others that could choose to compete at high levels
> > >>> of competition as older athletes. But at some point they
> > >>> conclude that it is time to move on and "because I can" is
> > >>> not enough of a justification to do it.
>
> > >>> But Longo never found that point. I'm not sure how I feel
> > >>> about that. But admiration just isn't coming.
>
> > >>> Fred Flintstein
>
> > >> ****ing freek - Longo plays the piano and plays it very well. *Some
> > >> people have better things to do then to pollute the planet with clones
> > >> of themselves.
>
> > >>http://i46.tinypic.com/2hozp1h.jpg
>
> > > Longo also well connected, lots of friends in both USA and Europe,
> > > especially France. From even short accounts, her life is full of fun and
> > > meaning besides being the best ever at road racing. I've heard her play, not
> > > bad. What I find most amazing is her military like discipline in the sport.
> > > That's certainly one aspect of what you would expect from a pro. All Pros
> > > know preparation is key, but I find it incredible that she was constantly on
> > > the move all those years back and forth from Europe to America to race.
> > > Traveling in itself is stressful, and I can't imagine how many plane trips
> > > she has made in the last 30 years. My favorite attribute in Longo is her
> > > ability to do several different races in one day and win them. Racing
> > > perhaps in the morning, then getting in the car traveling many miles to race
> > > in the afternoon, and she did it quite often for many years. That's got to
> > > be incredibly stressful. What other women has even done that? Van Moorsel,
> > > no, Luperini, no, no one.
>
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cBmwjz8Vng
>
> > Thanks. Without intending to, you've reinforced my point. Maybe
> > the reason no one lives the way Longo does is because that isn't
> > an intelligent way to live.
>
> > And yes, she is without peer as a bike racer.
>
> > Fred Flintstein
>
> I don't look to pro athletes when I'm looking for role models on how
> to live my life in the first place. Or musicians. Or movie stars. Or
> politicians.
>
> So, if Longo wants to be childless, and spend her whole life racing
> her bike, and playing the piano, I'm glad that's working for her.

Dumbass -

Longo plays the piano?

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

KGring

June 25th 10, 09:26 PM

On Jun 25, 11:11*am, Brad Anders > wrote:
> On Jun 25, 10:59*am, Fred Flintstein
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> > On 6/25/2010 12:14 PM, GoneBeforeMyTime wrote:
>
> > > Anton Berlin wrote:
> > >> On Jun 25, 9:48 am, Fred >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>> On 6/24/2010 4:53 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>
> > >>>> Beryl Burton has been generally regarded as the greatest woman
> > >>>> cyclist. Is that now up for debate?
>
> > >>> Burton competed at Worlds on a team with her daughter. In
> > >>> order to do that she had to recognize that there were other
> > >>> things in life besides racing bikes.
>
> > >>> While I certainly respect Longo's immense accomplishments
> > >>> as a cyclist, I'm not sure how I feel about someone that
> > >>> doesn't have anything else going on with their life. There
> > >>> are many others that could choose to compete at high levels
> > >>> of competition as older athletes. But at some point they
> > >>> conclude that it is time to move on and "because I can" is
> > >>> not enough of a justification to do it.
>
> > >>> But Longo never found that point. I'm not sure how I feel
> > >>> about that. But admiration just isn't coming.
>
> > >>> Fred Flintstein
>
> > >> ****ing freek - Longo plays the piano and plays it very well. *Some
> > >> people have better things to do then to pollute the planet with clones
> > >> of themselves.
>
> > >>http://i46.tinypic.com/2hozp1h.jpg
>
> > > Longo also well connected, lots of friends in both USA and Europe,
> > > especially France. From even short accounts, her life is full of fun and
> > > meaning besides being the best ever at road racing. I've heard her play, not
> > > bad. What I find most amazing is her military like discipline in the sport.
> > > That's certainly one aspect of what you would expect from a pro. All Pros
> > > know preparation is key, but I find it incredible that she was constantly on
> > > the move all those years back and forth from Europe to America to race.
> > > Traveling in itself is stressful, and I can't imagine how many plane trips
> > > she has made in the last 30 years. My favorite attribute in Longo is her
> > > ability to do several different races in one day and win them. Racing
> > > perhaps in the morning, then getting in the car traveling many miles to race
> > > in the afternoon, and she did it quite often for many years. That's got to
> > > be incredibly stressful. What other women has even done that? Van Moorsel,
> > > no, Luperini, no, no one.
>
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cBmwjz8Vng
>
> > Thanks. Without intending to, you've reinforced my point. Maybe
> > the reason no one lives the way Longo does is because that isn't
> > an intelligent way to live.
>
> > And yes, she is without peer as a bike racer.
>
> > Fred Flintstein
>
> I don't look to pro athletes when I'm looking for role models on how
> to live my life in the first place. Or musicians. Or movie stars. Or
> politicians.

<snip>

Dumbass -

I look to models when it comes to where I'd like to live my life.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.