One for Doug

[Derek C]

Apparently some Lexus (offshoot of Toyota) models have a fault that
may cause the engine to stall or run erratically.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/jul/01/toyota-faces-lexus-safety-recall

A recall is being arranged to fix the fault.

I just thought I would get in before Doug comes out with another
'killer car' posting!

Derek C

[Doug[_10_]]

On 3 July, 01:41, Derek C > wrote:
> Apparently some Lexus (offshoot of Toyota) models have a fault that
> may cause the engine to stall or run erratically.
>
> *http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/jul/01/toyota-faces-lexus-saf....
>
> A recall is being arranged to fix the fault.
>
> I just thought I would get in before Doug comes out with another
> 'killer car' posting!
>
Thanks but I had spotted it and realised that there are now so many
faulty cars on our roads that it must be obvious to everyone by now
and the serious danger they present to vulnerable road users like
myself all too obvious..

-- .
UK Radical Campaigns.
http://www.zing.icom43.net
A driving licence is a licence to kill.

[Derek C]

On Jul 3, 7:16*am, Doug > wrote:
> On 3 July, 01:41, Derek C > wrote:> Apparently some Lexus (offshoot of Toyota) models have a fault that
> > may cause the engine to stall or run erratically.
>
> > *http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/jul/01/toyota-faces-lexus-saf...
>
> > A recall is being arranged to fix the fault.
>
> > I just thought I would get in before Doug comes out with another
> > 'killer car' posting!
>
> Thanks but I had spotted it and realised that there are now so many
> faulty cars on our roads that it must be obvious to everyone by now
> and the serious danger they present to vulnerable road users like
> myself all too obvious..
>
Why? Is there a danger that your illegal electric bike might run into
the back of a Lexus if the engine stalls? That would be your fault
anyway!

[FrengaX]

On Jul 3, 7:16*am, Doug > wrote:
> On 3 July, 01:41, Derek C > wrote:> Apparently some Lexus (offshoot of Toyota) models have a fault that
> > may cause the engine to stall or run erratically.
>
> > *http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/jul/01/toyota-faces-lexus-saf...
>
> > A recall is being arranged to fix the fault.
>
> > I just thought I would get in before Doug comes out with another
> > 'killer car' posting!
>
> Thanks but I had spotted it and realised that there are now so many
> faulty cars on our roads that it must be obvious to everyone by now
> and the serious danger they present to vulnerable road users like
> myself all too obvious..

But the issue here is that the car might stall. Hardly something that
poses a great danger.

Anyway, here's another one for you. Have you been on the YourFreedom
web site? Here's a barmy idea thats right up your street:
http://yourfreedom.hmg.gov.uk/restoring-civil-liberties/to-re-balance-fair-road-and-pavement-use-for-pedestrians-bicycles-and-vehicles-in-accident-the-bigger-vehicle-should-always-be-blamed
http://tinyurl.com/2u22ou2

[Derek C]

On Jul 3, 8:07*am, FrengaX > wrote:
> On Jul 3, 7:16*am, Doug > wrote:
>
> > On 3 July, 01:41, Derek C > wrote:> Apparently some Lexus (offshoot of Toyota) models have a fault that
> > > may cause the engine to stall or run erratically.
>
> > > *http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/jul/01/toyota-faces-lexus-saf...
>
> > > A recall is being arranged to fix the fault.
>
> > > I just thought I would get in before Doug comes out with another
> > > 'killer car' posting!
>
> > Thanks but I had spotted it and realised that there are now so many
> > faulty cars on our roads that it must be obvious to everyone by now
> > and the serious danger they present to vulnerable road users like
> > myself all too obvious..
>
> But the issue here is that the car might stall. Hardly something that
> poses a great danger.
>
> Anyway, here's another one for you. Have you been on the YourFreedom
> web site? Here's a barmy idea thats right up your street:http://yourfreedom.hmg.gov.uk/restoring-civil-liberties/to-re-balance...http://tinyurl.com/2u22ou2

I see that most of the people who added comments think that the idea
that the driver/rider of the larger heavier vehicle is always
responsible is as bonkers as Doug is! What happens if two equally
sized vehicles or cyclists get into conflict with each other?
Although having said that, it would also mean that Doug and other
cyclists would become responsible for the safety of pedestrians, so
maybe not such a bad idea after all!

[Tony Dragon]

FrengaX wrote:
> On Jul 3, 7:16 am, Doug > wrote:
>> On 3 July, 01:41, Derek C > wrote:> Apparently some Lexus (offshoot of Toyota) models have a fault that
>>> may cause the engine to stall or run erratically.
>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/jul/01/toyota-faces-lexus-saf...
>>> A recall is being arranged to fix the fault.
>>> I just thought I would get in before Doug comes out with another
>>> 'killer car' posting!
>> Thanks but I had spotted it and realised that there are now so many
>> faulty cars on our roads that it must be obvious to everyone by now
>> and the serious danger they present to vulnerable road users like
>> myself all too obvious..
>
> But the issue here is that the car might stall. Hardly something that
> poses a great danger.
>
> Anyway, here's another one for you. Have you been on the YourFreedom
> web site? Here's a barmy idea thats right up your street:
> http://yourfreedom.hmg.gov.uk/restoring-civil-liberties/to-re-balance-fair-road-and-pavement-use-for-pedestrians-bicycles-and-vehicles-in-accident-the-bigger-vehicle-should-always-be-blamed
> http://tinyurl.com/2u22ou2
>
>
>
>
Just one of the comments added.

"Er, so if I drive into the back of a bus, it is the bus's fault? "

--
Tony Dragon

[Stephen Bagwell]

On 3 July, 09:14, Tony Dragon > wrote:
> FrengaX wrote:
> > On Jul 3, 7:16 am, Doug > wrote:
> >> On 3 July, 01:41, Derek C > wrote:> Apparently some Lexus (offshoot of Toyota) models have a fault that
> >>> may cause the engine to stall or run erratically.
> >>> *http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/jul/01/toyota-faces-lexus-saf...
> >>> A recall is being arranged to fix the fault.
> >>> I just thought I would get in before Doug comes out with another
> >>> 'killer car' posting!
> >> Thanks but I had spotted it and realised that there are now so many
> >> faulty cars on our roads that it must be obvious to everyone by now
> >> and the serious danger they present to vulnerable road users like
> >> myself all too obvious..
>
> > But the issue here is that the car might stall. Hardly something that
> > poses a great danger.
>
> > Anyway, here's another one for you. Have you been on the YourFreedom
> > web site? Here's a barmy idea thats right up your street:
> >http://yourfreedom.hmg.gov.uk/restoring-civil-liberties/to-re-balance...
> >http://tinyurl.com/2u22ou2
>
> Just one of the comments added.
>
> "Er, so if I drive into the back of a bus, it is the bus's fault? "
>
> --
> Tony Dragon- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Anyone see Police Stop on ITV 4 today?

An erratic cyclist on a bike with a "Chopper" seat and extended forks
went through a temporary traffic light on red and as he rode over the
cable it tipped the bike up.

[Ian Jackson[_2_]]

In message
>,
Stephen Bagwell > writes
>

>
>Anyone see Police Stop on ITV 4 today?
>
>An erratic cyclist on a bike with a "Chopper" seat and extended forks
>went through a temporary traffic light on red and as he rode over the
>cable it tipped the bike up.

Digressing slightly, do temporary traffic lights - the type erected by
contractors mending the roads - have any legal force?

These days, it seems that no roadworks are complete without all the
paraphernalia of a set of lights and diesel generator. Often, the only
real obstruction to the two-way flow of traffic is the presence of the
generator itself (which is invariably parked on the carriageway), and
countless traffic cones guarding the whole project.

There's a 50/50 chance that the infrared/radar sensors (placed at each
end of the roadworks to indicate the approach and presence of vehicles)
are not working or, if they are, then they are pointing anywhere but
where they are likely to be able to detect anything as small as a normal
family car. As a result, you can be kept waiting for several minutes
before the lights turn green for you, which is particularly annoying
when there is completely clear visibility through and past the roadworks
(especially if the lights are only, say, 10 or 15 yards apart), and it
is obvious that there is no 'real' reason why you should not proceed
through them. [Whenever possible, why oh why can't they simply can't put
up the 'give way to oncoming traffic' signs, as used at 'chicanes'?]

In such circumstances, are temporary traffic lights essentially
advisory, or do they have the same standing in law as 'normal' lights?
--
Ian

[Nick Finnigan]

Ian Jackson wrote:
>> cable it tipped the bike up.
>
> Digressing slightly, do temporary traffic lights - the type erected by
> contractors mending the roads - have any legal force?

Yes. http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2002/20023113.htm#35

> In such circumstances, are temporary traffic lights essentially
> advisory, or do they have the same standing in law as 'normal' lights?

They have the same standing in real life as 'normal' speed limits.

[Ian Smith]

On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 19:46:22 +0100, Nick Finnigan > wrote:
> Ian Jackson wrote:
> >
> > Digressing slightly, do temporary traffic lights - the type erected by
> > contractors mending the roads - have any legal force?
>
> Yes. http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2002/20023113.htm#35
>
> > In such circumstances, are temporary traffic lights essentially
> > advisory, or do they have the same standing in law as 'normal' lights?
>
> They have the same standing in real life as 'normal' speed limits.

Normal speed limits do not apply to bicycles, so such a statement is
confusing in context.

Temporary traffic lights have the same standing as permanent ones. If
there's no painted line, the red "when red light shows..." sign
defines the stop line. If there isn't one of them, the signals
themselves (the box with lights in) define the line.

Regarding the detectors on temporary lights - most contractors I've
worked with prefer to turn them off, because they are flaky at the
best of times. Yes, that sometimes means a car waits most of a light
cycle to get through even when there's nothing coming the other way,
but at least they get through in one timed cycle. If you run on the
detectors and the detector hasn't noticed, you'll be sat there much
longer than one timed cycle of the lights.

regards, Ian SMith

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[Nick Finnigan]

Ian Smith wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 19:46:22 +0100, Nick Finnigan > wrote:
>> Ian Jackson wrote:
>>> Digressing slightly, do temporary traffic lights - the type erected by
>>> contractors mending the roads - have any legal force?
>> Yes. http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2002/20023113.htm#35
>>
>>> In such circumstances, are temporary traffic lights essentially
>>> advisory, or do they have the same standing in law as 'normal' lights?
>> They have the same standing in real life as 'normal' speed limits.
>
> Normal speed limits do not apply to bicycles,

Well spotted.

> so such a statement is confusing in context.

I hope most readers can see the meaning.

[Doug[_10_]]

On 3 July, 08:07, FrengaX > wrote:
> On Jul 3, 7:16*am, Doug > wrote:
>
> > On 3 July, 01:41, Derek C > wrote:> Apparently some Lexus (offshoot of Toyota) models have a fault that
> > > may cause the engine to stall or run erratically.
>
> > > *http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/jul/01/toyota-faces-lexus-saf...
>
> > > A recall is being arranged to fix the fault.
>
> > > I just thought I would get in before Doug comes out with another
> > > 'killer car' posting!
>
> > Thanks but I had spotted it and realised that there are now so many
> > faulty cars on our roads that it must be obvious to everyone by now
> > and the serious danger they present to vulnerable road users like
> > myself all too obvious..
>
> But the issue here is that the car might stall. Hardly something that
> poses a great danger.
>
No the driver might dangerously lose control due to a sudden lack of
engine power.
>
> Anyway, here's another one for you. Have you been on the YourFreedom
> web site? Here's a barmy idea thats right up your street:http://yourfreedom.hmg.gov.uk/restoring-civil-liberties/to-re-balance...http://tinyurl.com/2u22ou2
>
It is an idea that I completely agree with. It has been mooted many
times in the EU but is yet to be implemented here, unfortunately. Due
no doubt to the political clout of the car culture.

-- .
UK Radical Campaigns.
http://www.zing.icom43.net
A driving licence is a licence to kill.

[Derek C]

On Jul 5, 5:20*am, Doug > wrote:
> On 3 July, 08:07, FrengaX > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 3, 7:16*am, Doug > wrote:
>
> > > On 3 July, 01:41, Derek C > wrote:> Apparently some Lexus (offshoot of Toyota) models have a fault that
> > > > may cause the engine to stall or run erratically.
>
> > > > *http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/jul/01/toyota-faces-lexus-saf...
>
> > > > A recall is being arranged to fix the fault.
>
> > > > I just thought I would get in before Doug comes out with another
> > > > 'killer car' posting!
>
> > > Thanks but I had spotted it and realised that there are now so many
> > > faulty cars on our roads that it must be obvious to everyone by now
> > > and the serious danger they present to vulnerable road users like
> > > myself all too obvious..
>
> > But the issue here is that the car might stall. Hardly something that
> > poses a great danger.
>
> No the driver might dangerously lose control due to a sudden lack of
> engine power.

Only if he is in the middle of a maximum Jeremy Clarkson type power
slide round a corner. Otherwise it will just gently roll to a halt.
>
> > Anyway, here's another one for you. Have you been on the YourFreedom
> > web site? Here's a barmy idea thats right up your street:http://yourfreedom.hmg.gov.uk/restoring-civil-liberties/to-re-balance...
>
> It is an idea that I completely agree with. It has been mooted many
> times in the EU but is yet to be implemented here, unfortunately. Due
> no doubt to the political clout of the car culture.
>
> -- .
Yes that is a fine idea Doug, but would you like to be held
responsible for injuring a pedestrian who unexpectedly steps out onto
the road in front of your electric bike without looking, when he is at
fault.

[Ian Smith]

On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 02:22:07 +0100, Phil W Lee > wrote:
> Nick Finnigan > considered Sun, 04 Jul 2010 19:46:22
> >
> > Yes. http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2002/20023113.htm#35
>
> While they may or may not have legal force, the regulation linked to
> only describes the standards they are required to meet.

And you didn't think to read the next regulation too? The one that
is titled "Significance of light signals prescribed by regulations 33
to 35"?

Here, just for you:

Yes.
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2002/20023113.htm#35
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2002/20023113.htm#36


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[Brimstone]

"Derek C" > wrote in message
...
> On Jul 5, 5:20 am, Doug > wrote:
>> On 3 July, 08:07, FrengaX > wrote:

>> > Anyway, here's another one for you. Have you been on the YourFreedom
>> > web site? Here's a barmy idea thats right up your
>> > street:http://yourfreedom.hmg.gov.uk/restoring-civil-liberties/to-re-balance...
>>
>> It is an idea that I completely agree with. It has been mooted many
>> times in the EU but is yet to be implemented here, unfortunately. Due
>> no doubt to the political clout of the car culture.
>>
..
> Yes that is a fine idea Doug, but would you like to be held
> responsible for injuring a pedestrian who unexpectedly steps out onto
> the road in front of your electric bike without looking, when he is at
> fault.

I think you're overlooking the point that Doug always practices what he
preaches and therefore is always travelling at a speed from which he can
stop before hitting anyone who is feeling unwell and loses their balance
causing them to step in to Doug's path.

I only phrase it like that because Doug has told us that pedestrians and
cyclists never, ever do any wrong whilst out and about.

[Brimstone]

"Doug" > wrote in message
...
> On 3 July, 08:07, FrengaX > wrote:
>> On Jul 3, 7:16 am, Doug > wrote:
>>
>> > On 3 July, 01:41, Derek C > wrote:>
>> > Apparently some Lexus (offshoot of Toyota) models have a fault that
>> > > may cause the engine to stall or run erratically.
>>
>> > >
>> > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/jul/01/toyota-faces-lexus-saf...
>>
>> > > A recall is being arranged to fix the fault.
>>
>> > > I just thought I would get in before Doug comes out with another
>> > > 'killer car' posting!
>>
>> > Thanks but I had spotted it and realised that there are now so many
>> > faulty cars on our roads that it must be obvious to everyone by now
>> > and the serious danger they present to vulnerable road users like
>> > myself all too obvious..
>>
>> But the issue here is that the car might stall. Hardly something that
>> poses a great danger.
>>
> No the driver might dangerously lose control due to a sudden lack of
> engine power.

What sort of danger would arise from a sudden loss of engine power Doug?

[Ian Jackson[_2_]]

In message >, Brimstone
> writes
>
>"Doug" > wrote in message
...
>> On 3 July, 08:07, FrengaX > wrote:
>>> On Jul 3, 7:16 am, Doug > wrote:
>>>
>>> > On 3 July, 01:41, Derek C > wrote:>
>>> >Apparently some Lexus (offshoot of Toyota) models have a fault that
>>> > > may cause the engine to stall or run erratically.
>>>
>>> > >
>>> > >http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/jul/01/toyota-faces-lexus-saf...
>>>
>>> > > A recall is being arranged to fix the fault.
>>>
>>> > > I just thought I would get in before Doug comes out with another
>>> > > 'killer car' posting!
>>>
>>> > Thanks but I had spotted it and realised that there are now so many
>>> > faulty cars on our roads that it must be obvious to everyone by now
>>> > and the serious danger they present to vulnerable road users like
>>> > myself all too obvious..
>>>
>>> But the issue here is that the car might stall. Hardly something that
>>> poses a great danger.
>>>
>> No the driver might dangerously lose control due to a sudden lack of
>> engine power.
>
>What sort of danger would arise from a sudden loss of engine power Doug?
>
You've obviously never suddenly run out of fuel while driving in the
outside lane of a 3 or 4 lane motorway!
--
Ian

[Brimstone]

"Ian Jackson" > wrote in message
...
> In message >, Brimstone
> > writes
>>
>>"Doug" > wrote in message
...
>>> On 3 July, 08:07, FrengaX > wrote:
>>>> On Jul 3, 7:16 am, Doug > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On 3 July, 01:41, Derek C > wrote:>
>>>> > Apparently some Lexus (offshoot of Toyota) models have a fault that
>>>> > > may cause the engine to stall or run erratically.
>>>>
>>>> > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/jul/01/toyota-faces-lexus-saf...
>>>>
>>>> > > A recall is being arranged to fix the fault.
>>>>
>>>> > > I just thought I would get in before Doug comes out with another
>>>> > > 'killer car' posting!
>>>>
>>>> > Thanks but I had spotted it and realised that there are now so many
>>>> > faulty cars on our roads that it must be obvious to everyone by now
>>>> > and the serious danger they present to vulnerable road users like
>>>> > myself all too obvious..
>>>>
>>>> But the issue here is that the car might stall. Hardly something that
>>>> poses a great danger.
>>>>
>>> No the driver might dangerously lose control due to a sudden lack of
>>> engine power.
>>
>>What sort of danger would arise from a sudden loss of engine power Doug?
>>
> You've obviously never suddenly run out of fuel while driving in the
> outside lane of a 3 or 4 lane motorway!
>
You're not looking at the question from Doug's perspective.

[PeterG]

On Jul 5, 5:20*am, Doug > wrote:
> On 3 July, 08:07, FrengaX > wrote:
>
> > On Jul 3, 7:16*am, Doug > wrote:
>
> > > On 3 July, 01:41, Derek C > wrote:> Apparently some Lexus (offshoot of Toyota) models have a fault that
> > > > may cause the engine to stall or run erratically.
>
> > > > *http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/jul/01/toyota-faces-lexus-saf...
>
> > > > A recall is being arranged to fix the fault.
>
> > > > I just thought I would get in before Doug comes out with another
> > > > 'killer car' posting!
>
> > > Thanks but I had spotted it and realised that there are now so many
> > > faulty cars on our roads that it must be obvious to everyone by now
> > > and the serious danger they present to vulnerable road users like
> > > myself all too obvious..
>
> > But the issue here is that the car might stall. Hardly something that
> > poses a great danger.
>
> No the driver might dangerously lose control due to a sudden lack of
> engine power.
>
> > Anyway, here's another one for you. Have you been on the YourFreedom
> > web site? Here's a barmy idea thats right up your street:http://yourfreedom.hmg.gov.uk/restoring-civil-liberties/to-re-balance...
>
> It is an idea that I completely agree with. It has been mooted many
> times in the EU but is yet to be implemented here, unfortunately. Due
> no doubt to the political clout of the car culture.
>
> -- .
> UK Radical Campaigns.http://www.zing.icom43.net
> A driving licence is a licence to kill.

Great, I think I might travel to London for the next CM.
I'll walk into a few cyclists (by accident while crossing on the green
man) & it will be their fault.

[Derek C]

On Jul 5, 8:29*am, Ian Jackson
> wrote:

>
> You've obviously never suddenly run out of fuel while driving in the
> outside lane of a 3 or 4 lane motorway!
> --
> Ian- Hide quoted text -
>
No, because I am not stupid enough to enter a Motorway without having
enough fuel to reach my turn off point!

Derek C

[Ian Jackson[_2_]]

In message
>, Derek
C > writes
>On Jul 5, 8:29*am, Ian Jackson
> wrote:
>
>>
>> You've obviously never suddenly run out of fuel while driving in the
>> outside lane of a 3 or 4 lane motorway!
>> --
>> Ian- Hide quoted text -
>>
>No, because I am not stupid enough to enter a Motorway without having
>enough fuel to reach my turn off point!
>
Even when you set out with apparently a good quantity of fuel and, when
you are less than 1 mile from your intended exit from the motorway, when
the fuel suddenly runs out, the gauge is still showing nearly 1/4 full?
Or do you never let the level drop before 3/4 full, 'just in case'?
--
Ian

[Brimstone]

"Ian Jackson" > wrote in message
...
> In message
> >, Derek C
> > writes
>>On Jul 5, 8:29 am, Ian Jackson
> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> You've obviously never suddenly run out of fuel while driving in the
>>> outside lane of a 3 or 4 lane motorway!
>>> --
>>> Ian- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>No, because I am not stupid enough to enter a Motorway without having
>>enough fuel to reach my turn off point!
>>
> Even when you set out with apparently a good quantity of fuel and, when
> you are less than 1 mile from your intended exit from the motorway, when
> the fuel suddenly runs out, the gauge is still showing nearly 1/4 full? Or
> do you never let the level drop before 3/4 full, 'just in case'?
>
Only a moron goes on the motorway with a knackered fuel gauge and not enough
fuel.

[Ian Jackson[_2_]]

In message >, Brimstone
> writes
>
>"Ian Jackson" > wrote in message
...
>> In message
>,
>>Derek C > writes
>>>On Jul 5, 8:29 am, Ian Jackson
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> You've obviously never suddenly run out of fuel while driving in the
>>>> outside lane of a 3 or 4 lane motorway!
>>>> --
>>>> Ian- Hide quoted text -
>>>>
>>>No, because I am not stupid enough to enter a Motorway without having
>>>enough fuel to reach my turn off point!
>>>
>> Even when you set out with apparently a good quantity of fuel and,
>>when you are less than 1 mile from your intended exit from the
>>motorway, when the fuel suddenly runs out, the gauge is still showing
>>nearly 1/4 full? Or do you never let the level drop before 3/4 full,
>>'just in case'?
>>
>Only a moron goes on the motorway with a knackered fuel gauge and not
>enough fuel.
>
Well, I would agree with you if you re-arranged the words to "Only a
moron who knows that he has a knackered fuel gauge goes on the motorway
with not enough fuel".
--
Ian

[Derek C]

On Jul 5, 2:06*pm, Ian Jackson
> wrote:
> In message >, Brimstone
> > writes
>
>
>
>
>
> >"Ian Jackson" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> In message
> >,
> >>Derek C > writes
> >>>On Jul 5, 8:29 am, Ian Jackson
> > wrote:
>
> >>>> You've obviously never suddenly run out of fuel while driving in the
> >>>> outside lane of a 3 or 4 lane motorway!
> >>>> --
> >>>> Ian- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>>No, because I am not stupid enough to enter a Motorway without having
> >>>enough fuel to reach my turn off point!
>
> >> Even when you set out with apparently a good quantity of fuel and,
> >>when you are less than 1 mile from your intended exit from the
> >>motorway, when the fuel suddenly runs out, the gauge is still showing
> >>nearly 1/4 full? Or *do you never let the level drop before 3/4 full,
> >>'just in case'?
>
> >Only a moron goes on the motorway with a knackered fuel gauge and not
> >enough fuel.
>
> Well, I would agree with you if you re-arranged the words to "Only a
> moron who knows that he has a knackered fuel gauge goes on the motorway
> with not enough fuel".
> --
> Ian- Hide quoted text -
>
Wriggle, wriggle!

[Bagpuss]

On 5 July, 08:29, Ian Jackson >
wrote:
> In message >, Brimstone
> > writes
>
>
>
> >"Doug" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> On 3 July, 08:07, FrengaX > wrote:
> >>> On Jul 3, 7:16 am, Doug > wrote:
>
> >>> > On 3 July, 01:41, Derek C > wrote:>
> >>> >Apparently some Lexus (offshoot of Toyota) models have a fault that
> >>> > > may cause the engine to stall or run erratically.
>
> >>> > >http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/jul/01/toyota-faces-lexus-saf...
>
> >>> > > A recall is being arranged to fix the fault.
>
> >>> > > I just thought I would get in before Doug comes out with another
> >>> > > 'killer car' posting!
>
> >>> > Thanks but I had spotted it and realised that there are now so many
> >>> > faulty cars on our roads that it must be obvious to everyone by now
> >>> > and the serious danger they present to vulnerable road users like
> >>> > myself all too obvious..
>
> >>> But the issue here is that the car might stall. Hardly something that
> >>> poses a great danger.
>
> >> No the driver might dangerously lose control due to a sudden lack of
> >> engine power.
>
> >What sort of danger would arise from a sudden loss of engine power Doug?
>
> You've obviously never suddenly run out of fuel while driving in the
> outside lane of a 3 or 4 lane motorway!

Have you?

Miaow!!

[Ian Jackson[_2_]]

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>,
Derek C > writes
>On Jul 5, 2:06*pm, Ian Jackson
> wrote:
>> In message >, Brimstone
>> > writes
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >"Ian Jackson" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> In message
>> >,
>> >>Derek C > writes
>> >>>On Jul 5, 8:29 am, Ian Jackson
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >>>> You've obviously never suddenly run out of fuel while driving in the
>> >>>> outside lane of a 3 or 4 lane motorway!
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Ian- Hide quoted text -
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>> >>>No, because I am not stupid enough to enter a Motorway without having
>> >>>enough fuel to reach my turn off point!
>>
>> >> Even when you set out with apparently a good quantity of fuel and,
>> >>when you are less than 1 mile from your intended exit from the
>> >>motorway, when the fuel suddenly runs out, the gauge is still showing
>> >>nearly 1/4 full? Or *do you never let the level drop before 3/4 full,
>> >>'just in case'?
>>
>> >Only a moron goes on the motorway with a knackered fuel gauge and not
>> >enough fuel.
>>
>> Well, I would agree with you if you re-arranged the words to "Only a
>> moron who knows that he has a knackered fuel gauge goes on the motorway
>> with not enough fuel".
>> --
>> Ian- Hide quoted text -
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>Wriggle, wriggle!

When the AA guy got to me, and put a gallon of diesel in my tank, he
said that a fuel gauge fault was not unknown on this model of car. It
took a bit of coaxing to get it started as, apparently, diesels don't
like to be run dry.

It was a company car, and at the next service, I put the fault on the
list to be fixed. The preferred servicing garage declined to do it
because it would have entailed draining the tank (which I had
deliberately left almost empty), and for general H&S reasons (even
though it was a diesel). I couldn't be bothered after that, and lived
with the fault (never letting the gauge get below 1/4 full, of course)
until I handed the car in.
--
Ian

[GT]

"Doug" > wrote in message
...
On 3 July, 08:07, FrengaX > wrote:
> On Jul 3, 7:16 am, Doug > wrote:
>
> > On 3 July, 01:41, Derek C > wrote:>
> > Apparently some Lexus (offshoot of Toyota) models have a fault that
> > > may cause the engine to stall or run erratically.
>
> > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/jul/01/toyota-faces-lexus-saf...
>
> > > A recall is being arranged to fix the fault.
>
> > > I just thought I would get in before Doug comes out with another
> > > 'killer car' posting!
>
> > Thanks but I had spotted it and realised that there are now so many
> > faulty cars on our roads that it must be obvious to everyone by now
> > and the serious danger they present to vulnerable road users like
> > myself all too obvious..
>
> But the issue here is that the car might stall. Hardly something that
> poses a great danger.
>
No the driver might dangerously lose control due to a sudden lack of
engine power.

We're talking about a stall, not a cut out at speed. A stall won't cause a
sudden loss of control as they tend to happen when stationery. A stalled
engine is one that cuts out whilst idling. Worst that could happen is that
you are stuck at the lights.