Fwd: RFD: rec.bicycles.off-road moderated (remove) LAST CALL FORCOMMENTS

[Trevor Holyoak]

If anyone's interested in discussing mountain bikes in a moderated
environment (without all the crap that shows up in this group), you may
want to take a look at this before it's too late.

- Trevor

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RFD: rec.bicycles.off-road moderated (remove) LAST CALL FOR
COMMENTS
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 08:27:46 EDT
From: Big-8 Management Board >
Organization: albasani.net
Newsgroups:
news.announce.newgroups,news.groups.proposals,rec. bicycles.off-road,rec.bicycles.misc
Followup-To: news.groups.proposals
References: >
> >

REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
moderated group rec.bicycles.off-road

This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) to remove moderated
newsgroup rec.bicycles.off-road.

RATIONALE:

According to Google's archive the last regular post was approved on
2007-07-18. A probe message resulted in a bounce.

>: host
moderators.switch.ch[130.59.1.10] said: 550 Unrouteable address
(in reply to RCPT TO command)

"The Real Bev" says that he/she would be happy to do the moderation
if somebody else provided the setup. Steve Bonine sees no evidence
that a group of people exists in Usenet who are interested in the
topic.

>Message-ID: >
>Message-ID: >

NEWSGROUPS LINE:

rec.bicycles.off-road Moderated off-road cyclist topics. (Moderated)

DISTRIBUTION:

news.announce.newgroups
news.groups.proposals
rec.bicycles.off-road
rec.bicycles.misc

CHARTER OF REC.BICYCLES.OFF-ROAD

rec.bicycles.off-road is a forum for discussion whose purpose is to
provide information and support to off-road (or off pavement)
bicyclists. The use of a bicycle on umimproved roads, gravel, dirt,
grass, sand, single track or 4x4 roads should be considered off road
use. (Basically anywhere that is not man made, hard and flat.)
Dicussion might include (but not limited to):

Environmental issues involving off-road bicycling
Technical/practical issues involved in off-road bicycling
Trail Issues
-access/closure
-maintenance
Backcountry/Bush travel involving bicycles
-preparation
-camping skills
-responsibilities to the environment
-equipment options or combinations
-overnight vs day use trips
-etiquette
Tips on how to handle off-road specific conditions
(technically and eco-sensitively)
-tree roots
-sand
-microbiotic crust
-loose steep climbs, etc.
Off-road biking magazines and other off-road biking media
coverage
Where, when, and how to ride off road

Any topic that relates to off road use of bicycles might be a subject
for discussion. However, the rec.bicycles hierarchy already contains
other groups, and readers of rec.bicycles.off-road would be encouraged
to not post to rec.bicycles.off-road where interest is to a broarder
audience.

Items for sale/wanted should be posted to rec.bicycles.marketplace.
Technical issues should be posted to rec.bicycles.tech unless the item
is strictly of interest to only off road bicyclists.

Rec.bicycles.off-road will:

1. Provide the off road bicyclist with a newsgroup to discus
off road bicycling rides, issues, and concerns.

2. Help educate the bicyclist cycling off road on how to care
for and respect the backcounty/bush.

3. Allow hikers and other users of off road areas to share
concerns about bicyclists in the backcountry/bush.


In summary, rec.bicycles.off-road encourages the free and open
discussion on aspects of off-road.

HISTORY OF THE GROUP:

rec.bicycles.off-road is a moderated newsgroup which passed its vote for
creation by 367:26 as reported in news.announce.newgroups on 10 Feb 1998.

PROPONENT:

Alexander Bartolich >

PROCEDURE:

Those who wish to comment on this request to remove this newsgroup should
subscribe to news.groups.proposals and participate in the relevant threads
in that newsgroup.

To this end, the followup header of this RFD has been set to
news.groups.proposals.

In the course of the removal process four formal announcements are posted
(MVI, 1st RFD, 2nd RFD, and LCC), each taking two weeks. At the end of the
process the B8MB will vote on the issue.

Available options for rec.bicycles.off-road are:
- leave the group as it is
- remove the group

For more information on the removal process, please see

http://www.big-8.org/wiki/Group_Removal_FAQ

CHANGE HISTORY:

2010-05-20 Probe post
2010-08-09 Moderator Vacancy Investigation
2010-08-23 1st RFD
2010-09-06 2nd RFD
2010-10-02 LCC

--

[Mike Vandeman[_4_]]

On Oct 8, 8:29*am, Trevor Holyoak > wrote:
> If anyone's interested in discussing mountain bikes in a moderated
> environment (without all the crap that shows up in this group), you may
> want to take a look at this before it's too late.
>
> - Trevor
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: RFD: rec.bicycles.off-road moderated (remove) LAST CALL FOR
>
> COMMENTS
> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 08:27:46 EDT
> From: Big-8 Management Board >
> Organization: albasani.net
> Newsgroups:
> news.announce.newgroups,news.groups.proposals,rec. bicycles.off-road,rec.bic*ycles.misc
> Followup-To: news.groups.proposals
> References: >
> > >
>
> * * * * * * * *REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
> * * * * * * * *moderated group rec.bicycles.off-road
>
> This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) to remove moderated
> newsgroup rec.bicycles.off-road.
>
> RATIONALE:
>
> According to Google's archive the last regular post was approved on
> 2007-07-18. A probe message resulted in a bounce.
>
> >: host
> * * *moderators.switch.ch[130.59.1.10] said: 550 Unrouteable address
> * * *(in reply to RCPT TO command)
>
> "The Real Bev" says that he/she would be happy to do the moderation
> if somebody else provided the setup. Steve Bonine sees no evidence
> that a group of people exists in Usenet who are interested in the
> topic.
>
> >Message-ID: >
> >Message-ID: >
>
> NEWSGROUPS LINE:
>
> rec.bicycles.off-road * Moderated off-road cyclist topics. (Moderated)
>
> DISTRIBUTION:
>
> news.announce.newgroups
> news.groups.proposals
> rec.bicycles.off-road
> rec.bicycles.misc
>
> CHARTER OF REC.BICYCLES.OFF-ROAD
>
> rec.bicycles.off-road is a forum for discussion whose purpose is to
> provide information and support to off-road (or off pavement)
> bicyclists. *The use of a bicycle on umimproved roads, gravel, dirt,
> grass, sand, single track or 4x4 roads should be considered off road
> use. (Basically anywhere that is not man made, hard and flat.)
> Dicussion might include (but not limited to):
>
> * * * * *Environmental issues involving off-road bicycling
> * * * * *Technical/practical issues involved in off-road bicycling
> * * * * *Trail Issues
> * * * * * * * * *-access/closure
> * * * * * * * * *-maintenance
> * * * * *Backcountry/Bush travel involving bicycles
> * * * * * * * * *-preparation
> * * * * * * * * *-camping skills
> * * * * * * * * *-responsibilities to the environment
> * * * * * * * * *-equipment options or combinations
> * * * * * * * * *-overnight vs day use trips
> * * * * * * * * *-etiquette
> * * * * *Tips on how to handle off-road specific conditions
> * * * * *(technically and eco-sensitively)
> * * * * * * * * *-tree roots
> * * * * * * * * *-sand
> * * * * * * * * *-microbiotic crust
> * * * * * * * * *-loose steep climbs, etc.
> * * * * *Off-road biking magazines and other off-road biking media
> * * * * * * * * *coverage
> * * * * *Where, when, and how to ride off road
>
> Any topic that relates to off road use of bicycles might be a subject
> for discussion. *However, the rec.bicycles hierarchy already contains
> other groups, and readers of rec.bicycles.off-road would be encouraged
> to not post to rec.bicycles.off-road where interest is to a broarder
> audience.
>
> Items for sale/wanted should be posted to rec.bicycles.marketplace.
> Technical issues should be posted to rec.bicycles.tech unless the item
> is strictly of interest to only off road bicyclists.
>
> Rec.bicycles.off-road will:
>
> * * * * *1. *Provide the off road bicyclist with a newsgroup to discus
> * * * * * * *off road bicycling rides, issues, and concerns..
>
> * * * * *2. *Help educate the bicyclist cycling off road on how to care
> * * * * * * *for and respect the backcounty/bush.
>
> * * * * *3. *Allow hikers and other users of off road areas to share
> * * * * * * *concerns about bicyclists in the backcountry/bush.
>
> In summary, rec.bicycles.off-road encourages the free and open
> discussion on aspects of off-road.
>
> HISTORY OF THE GROUP:
>
> rec.bicycles.off-road is a moderated newsgroup which passed its vote for
> creation by 367:26 as reported in news.announce.newgroups on 10 Feb 1998.
>
> PROPONENT:
>
> Alexander Bartolich >
>
> PROCEDURE:
>
> Those who wish to comment on this request to remove this newsgroup should
> subscribe to news.groups.proposals and participate in the relevant threads
> in that newsgroup.
>
> To this end, the followup header of this RFD has been set to
> news.groups.proposals.
>
> In the course of the removal process four formal announcements are posted
> (MVI, 1st RFD, 2nd RFD, and LCC), each taking two weeks. At the end of the
> process the B8MB will vote on the issue.
>
> Available options for rec.bicycles.off-road are:
> - leave the group as it is
> - remove the group
>
> For more information on the removal process, please see
>
> http://www.big-8.org/wiki/Group_Removal_FAQ
>
> CHANGE HISTORY:
>
> 2010-05-20 * * *Probe post
> 2010-08-09 * * *Moderator Vacancy Investigation
> 2010-08-23 * * *1st RFD
> 2010-09-06 * * *2nd RFD
> 2010-10-02 * * *LCC
>
> --- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

rec.bicycles.off-road practices censorship, NOT moderation, and
therefore does not deserve to be retained.

[Trevor Holyoak]

On 10/9/2010 11:45 PM, Mike Vandeman wrote:

> rec.bicycles.off-road practices censorship, NOT moderation, and
> therefore does not deserve to be retained.

Right now, not even that is happening - in order for the group to
survive, it needs new moderators. I know nothing of the history of
rec.bicycles.off-road, having just gotten started with mountain biking,
but there is a difference between ensuring that messages actually meet
the purpose of the group (as described in the charter), and censorship.

- Trevor

[wizardB]

On 10/11/2010 10:07 AM, Trevor Holyoak wrote:
> On 10/9/2010 11:45 PM, Mike Vandeman wrote:
>
>> rec.bicycles.off-road practices censorship, NOT moderation, and
>> therefore does not deserve to be retained.
>
> Right now, not even that is happening - in order for the group to
> survive, it needs new moderators. I know nothing of the history of
> rec.bicycles.off-road, having just gotten started with mountain biking,
> but there is a difference between ensuring that messages actually meet
> the purpose of the group (as described in the charter), and censorship.
>
> - Trevor
yes please

[Mike Vandeman[_4_]]

On Oct 11, 10:07*am, Trevor Holyoak > wrote:
> On 10/9/2010 11:45 PM, Mike Vandeman wrote:
>
> >rec.bicycles.off-roadpractices censorship, NOT moderation, and
> > therefore does not deserve to be retained.
>
> Right now, not even that is happening - in order for the group to
> survive, it needs new moderators. I know nothing of the history ofrec.bicycles.off-road, having just gotten started with mountain biking,
> but there is a difference between ensuring that messages actually meet
> the purpose of the group (as described in the charter), and censorship.
>
> - Trevor

Correct, and the moderators practiced CENSORSHIP, which was the true
purpose of the group's "moderation". Namely, to keep me and other
people opposed to mountain biking from posting to it.

[Trevor Holyoak]

On 10/14/2010 3:38 PM, wizardB wrote:
> On 10/11/2010 10:07 AM, Trevor Holyoak wrote:
>> On 10/9/2010 11:45 PM, Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>
>>> rec.bicycles.off-road practices censorship, NOT moderation, and
>>> therefore does not deserve to be retained.
>>
>> Right now, not even that is happening - in order for the group to
>> survive, it needs new moderators. I know nothing of the history of
>> rec.bicycles.off-road, having just gotten started with mountain biking,
>> but there is a difference between ensuring that messages actually meet
>> the purpose of the group (as described in the charter), and censorship.
>>
>> - Trevor
> yes please

If you're interested, please reply to news.groups.proposals.

("Those who wish to comment on this request to remove this newsgroup
should subscribe to news.groups.proposals and participate in the
relevant threads in that newsgroup.")

Thanks,
Trevor