Council to ban all traffic except cyclists.

[Simon Mason]

Regarding the discussion concerning councils installing bus lanes, here is a
case of a council banning all vehicles from a road except cyclists for
reasons of pedestrian safety. Obviously, they don't regard cyclists as being
much of a risk to the peds.

http://qurl.com/18yb9


Simon Mason
http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/

[David Hansen]

On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:06:40 +0100 someone who may be "Simon Mason"
> wrote this:-

>Obviously, they don't regard cyclists as being
>much of a risk to the peds.

It would seem that they have taken the trouble to read the various
Road Research Laboratory reports into cycling in pedestrian areas.
It is a pity many other councils seem not to have done so, or they
have but let the emotional arguments of some override the evidence.




--
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[JMS]

On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:06:40 +0100, "Simon Mason"
> wrote:

>Regarding the discussion concerning councils installing bus lanes, here is a
>case of a council banning all vehicles from a road except cyclists for
>reasons of pedestrian safety. Obviously, they don't regard cyclists as being
>much of a risk to the peds.
>
>http://qurl.com/18yb9
>
>
>Simon Mason
>http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/



I think you will find that it is only on match days that there are any
pedestrians in the area - so it will not alter the pedestrian/cyclist
mix one iota.

--
Stopping distances for bicycles do not appear in the HC ... and so
cannot be of any consequence.
(Simon Mason - who cycles at 25mph in 20 mph limits - and thinks it's clever)

[Simon Mason[_4_]]

On 29 Oct, 13:43, JMS > wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:06:40 +0100, "Simon Mason"
>
> > wrote:
> >Regarding the discussion concerning councils installing bus lanes, here is a
> >case of a council banning all vehicles from a road except cyclists for
> >reasons of pedestrian safety. Obviously, they don't regard cyclists as being
> >much of a risk to the peds.
>
> >http://qurl.com/18yb9
>
> >Simon Mason
> >http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/
>
> I think you will find that it is only on match days that there are any
> pedestrians in the area - so it will not alter the pedestrian/cyclist
> mix one iota.
>
> -- * * *
> Stopping distances for bicycles do not appear in the HC ... *and *so
> cannot be of any consequence.
> (Simon Mason - *who cycles at 25mph in 20 mph limits - and thinks it's clever)

Not so.
Quote:

"The club claims the move would protect fans who congregate outside
Old Trafford *throughout the week*."

--
Simon Mason

[Paul - xxx[_2_]]

JMS wrote:

> I think you will find that it is only on match days that there are any
> pedestrians in the area - so it will not alter the pedestrian/cyclist
> mix one iota.

I think that if you thought about it you'd realise that on match days
there will be many thousands of pedestrians about so any risk will be
higher .. it's just that there is so much less risk from bicycles than
from other vehicles.

--
Paul - xxx

'96/97 Landrover Discovery 300 Tdi
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[JMS]

On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 06:54:47 -0700 (PDT), Simon Mason
> wrote:

>On 29 Oct, 13:43, JMS > wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:06:40 +0100, "Simon Mason"
>>
>> > wrote:
>> >Regarding the discussion concerning councils installing bus lanes, here is a
>> >case of a council banning all vehicles from a road except cyclists for
>> >reasons of pedestrian safety. Obviously, they don't regard cyclists as being
>> >much of a risk to the peds.
>>
>> >http://qurl.com/18yb9
>>
>> >Simon Mason
>> >http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/
>>
>> I think you will find that it is only on match days that there are any
>> pedestrians in the area - so it will not alter the pedestrian/cyclist
>> mix one iota.
>>
>> -- * * *
>> Stopping distances for bicycles do not appear in the HC ... *and *so
>> cannot be of any consequence.
>> (Simon Mason - *who cycles at 25mph in 20 mph limits - and thinks it's clever)
>
>Not so.
>Quote:
>
>"The club claims the move would protect fans who congregate outside
>Old Trafford *throughout the week*."


In which case - unfortunately it won't protect them from the cyclists
either on the road or on the pavements
--
Stopping distances for bicycles do not appear in the HC ... and so
cannot be of any consequence.
(Simon Mason - who cycles at 25mph in 20 mph limits - and thinks it's clever)

[JMS]

On 29 Oct 2010 14:05:50 GMT, "Paul - xxx" >
wrote:

>JMS wrote:
>
>> I think you will find that it is only on match days that there are any
>> pedestrians in the area - so it will not alter the pedestrian/cyclist
>> mix one iota.
>
>I think that if you thought about it you'd realise that on match days
>there will be many thousands of pedestrians about so any risk will be
>higher .. it's just that there is so much less risk from bicycles than
>from other vehicles.



Knob - the road is closed to *all* traffic on match days.

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Per billion passenger kilometres

Car KSI 18
Cycle KSI 541
Pedestrian 358

(KSI : Killed or Seriously Injured)
Dft 2008 FIgures

Who says cycling is safer than walking?