Another highly trained killer. [Archive]

JMS

November 8th 10, 09:14 PM

On Mon, 8 Nov 2010 12:15:00 -0800 (PST), Simon Mason
> wrote:

>On Nov 8, 8:02*pm, Simon Mason > wrote:
>> Surely they teach HGV drivers not to be over the limit, use their
>> mirrors and not to use mobile phones?
>>
>> http://qurl.com/28jd6
>>
>> --
>> Simon Mason
>
>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1327813/Tipper-truck-driver-crushed-woman-City-boss-death-chatting-mobile-phone.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Would you say that cycling appears to be quite dangerous?

Many thanks for the information - keep them coming - appreciated.

--
Stopping distances for bicycles do not appear in the HC ... and so
cannot be of any consequence.
(Simon Mason - who cycles at 25mph in 20 mph limits - and thinks it's clever)

Mrcheerful[_2_]

November 8th 10, 09:54 PM

"Squashme" > wrote in message
...
On Nov 8, 8:44 pm, "Mrcheerful" > wrote:
> "Simon Mason" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Nov 8, 8:02 pm, Simon Mason > wrote:
>
> > Surely they teach HGV drivers not to be over the limit, use their
> > mirrors and not to use mobile phones?
>
> >http://qurl.com/28jd6
>
> > --
> > Simon Mason
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1327813/Tipper-truck-driver-c...
>
> don't get on the inside of lorries, particularly at junctions, she paid
> the
> ultimate price for her actions.

And why then do lorries come up beside cyclists at traffic lights?

when did you last see a cyclist stop at a set of traffic lights? Pound to a
penny she rode up the inside.

Tony Raven[_3_]

November 8th 10, 10:17 PM

Simon Mason > wrote:

> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1327813/Tipper-truck-driver-crushed-woman-City-boss-death-chatting-mobile-phone.html?itoþeds-newsxml

Echoes of the Emma Foa case.

--
Tony

Squashme

November 8th 10, 10:26 PM

On Nov 8, 9:54*pm, "Mrcheerful" > wrote:
> "Squashme" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Nov 8, 8:44 pm, "Mrcheerful" > wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Simon Mason" > wrote in message
>
> ....
> > On Nov 8, 8:02 pm, Simon Mason > wrote:
>
> > > Surely they teach HGV drivers not to be over the limit, use their
> > > mirrors and not to use mobile phones?
>
> > >http://qurl.com/28jd6
>
> > > --
> > > Simon Mason
>
> >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1327813/Tipper-truck-driver-c...
>
> > don't get on the inside of lorries, particularly at junctions, she paid
> > the
> > ultimate price for her actions.
>
> And why then do lorries come up beside cyclists at traffic lights?
>
> when did you last see a cyclist stop at a set of traffic lights? *

Every day, you ****. And so do you.
This morning I stopped for a pedestrian plus sprog. The car behind me
stopped.
The pedestrian still waited. Quite rightly as it happened. The car
coming from the opposite direction did not slow down and just drove
through. I don't generalise from it.

>Pound to a penny she rode up the inside.

So just your prejudice, then. Sniping at the dead.

Tony Raven[_3_]

November 8th 10, 10:40 PM

Squashme > wrote:

> So just your prejudice, then. Sniping at the dead.

Mr Cheerful doesn't snipe at the dead, he revels in them. It's the
trademark of his posts here

--
Tony

Mrcheerful[_2_]

November 8th 10, 10:42 PM

"Squashme" > wrote in message
...
On Nov 8, 9:54 pm, "Mrcheerful" > wrote:
> "Squashme" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Nov 8, 8:44 pm, "Mrcheerful" > wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Simon Mason" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> > On Nov 8, 8:02 pm, Simon Mason > wrote:
>
> > > Surely they teach HGV drivers not to be over the limit, use their
> > > mirrors and not to use mobile phones?
>
> > >http://qurl.com/28jd6
>
> > > --
> > > Simon Mason
>
> >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1327813/Tipper-truck-driver-c...
>
> > don't get on the inside of lorries, particularly at junctions, she paid
> > the
> > ultimate price for her actions.
>
> And why then do lorries come up beside cyclists at traffic lights?
>
> when did you last see a cyclist stop at a set of traffic lights?

Every day, you ****. And so do you.
This morning I stopped for a pedestrian plus sprog. The car behind me
stopped.
The pedestrian still waited. Quite rightly as it happened. The car
coming from the opposite direction did not slow down and just drove
through. I don't generalise from it.

>Pound to a penny she rode up the inside.

So just your prejudice, then. Sniping at the dead.

I can honestly say that I do not see cyclists stop at lights, they just ride
on through, every time. If I ever see one I will mention it here.
And yes, I do think she rode up the inside, and by so doing she put herself
into mortal danger, perhaps if she had been trained in road use then this
tragedy need not have occurred.

Tony Dragon

November 8th 10, 10:56 PM

On 08/11/2010 22:42, Mrcheerful wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
> On Nov 8, 9:54 pm, > wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>> On Nov 8, 8:44 pm, > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> "Simon > wrote in message
>>
>>> ...
>>> On Nov 8, 8:02 pm, Simon > wrote:
>>
>>>> Surely they teach HGV drivers not to be over the limit, use their
>>>> mirrors and not to use mobile phones?
>>
>>>> http://qurl.com/28jd6
>>
>>>> --
>>>> Simon Mason
>>
>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1327813/Tipper-truck-driver-c...
>>
>>> don't get on the inside of lorries, particularly at junctions, she paid
>>> the
>>> ultimate price for her actions.
>>
>> And why then do lorries come up beside cyclists at traffic lights?
>>
>> when did you last see a cyclist stop at a set of traffic lights?
>
> Every day, you ****. And so do you.
> This morning I stopped for a pedestrian plus sprog. The car behind me
> stopped.
> The pedestrian still waited. Quite rightly as it happened. The car
> coming from the opposite direction did not slow down and just drove
> through. I don't generalise from it.
>
>> Pound to a penny she rode up the inside.
>
> So just your prejudice, then. Sniping at the dead.
>
> I can honestly say that I do not see cyclists stop at lights, they just ride
> on through, every time. If I ever see one I will mention it here.
> And yes, I do think she rode up the inside, and by so doing she put herself
> into mortal danger, perhaps if she had been trained in road use then this
> tragedy need not have occurred.
>
>

I'm on record as saying every morning I see cyclists RLJ on my way to
work, I'm also on record as saying for every one that jumps lights there
are about 20 who don't.
It's the one in twenty I have trouble with.

--
Tony Dragon

Mrcheerful[_2_]

November 8th 10, 11:06 PM

"Tony Dragon" > wrote in message
...
> On 08/11/2010 22:42, Mrcheerful wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>> On Nov 8, 9:54 pm, > wrote:
>>> > wrote in message
>>>
>>> ...
>>> On Nov 8, 8:44 pm, > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> "Simon > wrote in message
>>>
>>>> ...
>>>> On Nov 8, 8:02 pm, Simon > wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Surely they teach HGV drivers not to be over the limit, use their
>>>>> mirrors and not to use mobile phones?
>>>
>>>>> http://qurl.com/28jd6
>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Simon Mason
>>>
>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1327813/Tipper-truck-driver-c...
>>>
>>>> don't get on the inside of lorries, particularly at junctions, she paid
>>>> the
>>>> ultimate price for her actions.
>>>
>>> And why then do lorries come up beside cyclists at traffic lights?
>>>
>>> when did you last see a cyclist stop at a set of traffic lights?
>>
>> Every day, you ****. And so do you.
>> This morning I stopped for a pedestrian plus sprog. The car behind me
>> stopped.
>> The pedestrian still waited. Quite rightly as it happened. The car
>> coming from the opposite direction did not slow down and just drove
>> through. I don't generalise from it.
>>
>>> Pound to a penny she rode up the inside.
>>
>> So just your prejudice, then. Sniping at the dead.
>>
>> I can honestly say that I do not see cyclists stop at lights, they just
>> ride
>> on through, every time. If I ever see one I will mention it here.
>> And yes, I do think she rode up the inside, and by so doing she put
>> herself
>> into mortal danger, perhaps if she had been trained in road use then this
>> tragedy need not have occurred.
>>
>>
>
> I'm on record as saying every morning I see cyclists RLJ on my way to
> work, I'm also on record as saying for every one that jumps lights there
> are about 20 who don't.
> It's the one in twenty I have trouble with.
>
> --
> Tony Dragon

do you actually see cyclists stop at red lights though?

Just zis Guy, you know?[_33_]

November 8th 10, 11:36 PM

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On 08/11/2010 22:40, Tony Raven wrote:
> Squashme > wrote:
>
>> So just your prejudice, then. Sniping at the dead.
>
> Mr Cheerful doesn't snipe at the dead, he revels in them. It's the
> trademark of his posts here

He's like Mike Vandeman, only without the balls to actually go out and
confront people face to face. Admittedly that got Vandeman arrested for
assault...

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Tony Dragon

November 8th 10, 11:44 PM

On 08/11/2010 23:06, Mrcheerful wrote:
> "Tony > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 08/11/2010 22:42, Mrcheerful wrote:
>>> > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> On Nov 8, 9:54 pm, > wrote:
>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>> On Nov 8, 8:44 pm, > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "Simon > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>> ...
>>>>> On Nov 8, 8:02 pm, Simon > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Surely they teach HGV drivers not to be over the limit, use their
>>>>>> mirrors and not to use mobile phones?
>>>>
>>>>>> http://qurl.com/28jd6
>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Simon Mason
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1327813/Tipper-truck-driver-c...
>>>>
>>>>> don't get on the inside of lorries, particularly at junctions, she paid
>>>>> the
>>>>> ultimate price for her actions.
>>>>
>>>> And why then do lorries come up beside cyclists at traffic lights?
>>>>
>>>> when did you last see a cyclist stop at a set of traffic lights?
>>>
>>> Every day, you ****. And so do you.
>>> This morning I stopped for a pedestrian plus sprog. The car behind me
>>> stopped.
>>> The pedestrian still waited. Quite rightly as it happened. The car
>>> coming from the opposite direction did not slow down and just drove
>>> through. I don't generalise from it.
>>>
>>>> Pound to a penny she rode up the inside.
>>>
>>> So just your prejudice, then. Sniping at the dead.
>>>
>>> I can honestly say that I do not see cyclists stop at lights, they just
>>> ride
>>> on through, every time. If I ever see one I will mention it here.
>>> And yes, I do think she rode up the inside, and by so doing she put
>>> herself
>>> into mortal danger, perhaps if she had been trained in road use then this
>>> tragedy need not have occurred.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I'm on record as saying every morning I see cyclists RLJ on my way to
>> work, I'm also on record as saying for every one that jumps lights there
>> are about 20 who don't.
>> It's the one in twenty I have trouble with.
>>
>> --
>> Tony Dragon
>
> do you actually see cyclists stop at red lights though?
>
>

I thought I made it plain enough.
I see some that stop (correct)
I see some that had stopped (correct)
I see some that pass the stop line & stop the other side of the
pedestrian crossing (wrong)
I see some that stop, ride across the pavement to avoid the lights, then
join the other carriageway e.g. LH turns (wrong)
I see some (many) who anticipate the light change jump the red light &
drive through the pedestrian crossing when the green man is lit (wrong)
I see the same as the above but turn left (wrong)
I also see some who just barge through whatever the light show. (wrong)

I estimate that the law breakers to the lawful is about 1 in 20

Is that clear?

--
Tony Dragon

The Medway Handyman[_3_]

November 9th 10, 12:19 AM

Simon Mason wrote:
> Surely they teach HGV drivers not to be over the limit, use their
> mirrors and not to use mobile phones?

Meanwhile - todays breaking news - 34,299,993 motorists drove 1,150,506,341
miles without killing anyone.

How many have to die before psycholists realise a push bike simply isn't a
viable form of transport?

--
Dave - intelligent enough to realise that a push bike, like a skateboard, is
a kid's toy, not a viable form of transport.

Tony Raven[_3_]

November 9th 10, 12:24 AM

Tony Dragon > wrote:

> I'm on record as saying every morning I see cyclists RLJ on my way to
> work, I'm also on record as saying for every one that jumps lights
> there are about 20 who don't.
> It's the one in twenty I have trouble with.

Funny that Mr Cheerful can't see any of those 19. Perhaps he's Mr Magoo
or red-green colour blind.

--
Tony

Just zis Guy, you know?[_33_]

November 9th 10, 12:34 AM

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On 09/11/2010 00:19, The Medway Handyman wrote:
> Meanwhile - todays breaking news - 34,299,993 motorists drove 1,150,506,341
> miles without killing anyone.

Statistically highly improbable. The road fatality rate is between five
and ten per day, on average.

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The Medway Handyman[_3_]

November 9th 10, 12:59 AM

Just zis ****, you know? wrote:
> On 09/11/2010 00:19, The Medway Handyman wrote:
>> Meanwhile - todays breaking news - 34,299,993 motorists drove
>> 1,150,506,341 miles without killing anyone.
>
> Statistically highly improbable. The road fatality rate is between
> five and ten per day, on average.

My figures allow for 7, on average.

Whoops you ****ed up again.

What was your degree in? ****ology?

--
Dave - intelligent enough to realise that a push bike, like a skateboard, is
a kid's toy, not a viable form of transport.

November 9th 10, 08:15 AM

On Nov 8, 9:05*pm, Squashme > wrote:
> On Nov 8, 8:44*pm, "Mrcheerful" > wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Simon Mason" > wrote in message
>
> ....
> > On Nov 8, 8:02 pm, Simon Mason > wrote:
>
> > > Surely they teach HGV drivers not to be over the limit, use their
> > > mirrors and not to use mobile phones?
>
> > >http://qurl.com/28jd6
>
> > > --
> > > Simon Mason
>
> >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1327813/Tipper-truck-driver-c...
>
> > don't get on the inside of lorries, particularly at junctions, she paid the
> > ultimate price for her actions.
>
> And why then do lorries come up beside cyclists at traffic lights?

Probably the driver fails to take in the cyclist as stopped, he
probably assumes the cyclist will follow normal practice and just
ignore the red lights thus not be there as he moves off.

Simon Mason[_4_]

November 9th 10, 10:20 AM

On Nov 9, 8:15*am, NM > wrote:
> On Nov 8, 9:05*pm, Squashme > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 8, 8:44*pm, "Mrcheerful" > wrote:
>
> > > "Simon Mason" > wrote in message
>
> > ....
> > > On Nov 8, 8:02 pm, Simon Mason > wrote:
>
> > > > Surely they teach HGV drivers not to be over the limit, use their
> > > > mirrors and not to use mobile phones?
>
> > > >http://qurl.com/28jd6
>
> > > > --
> > > > Simon Mason
>
> > >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1327813/Tipper-truck-driver-c....
>
> > > don't get on the inside of lorries, particularly at junctions, she paid the
> > > ultimate price for her actions.
>
> > And why then do lorries come up beside cyclists at traffic lights?
>
> Probably the driver fails to take in the cyclist as stopped, he
> probably assumes the cyclist will follow normal practice and just
> ignore the red lights thus not be there as he moves off.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Maybe as he was over the limit he should not have been driving at all?
Just a thought.

--
Simon Mason

PhilO

November 9th 10, 01:09 PM

On Nov 9, 12:19*am, "The Medway Handyman" <davidno-spam-
> wrote:
>
> Meanwhile - todays breaking news - 34,299,993 *motorists drove 1,150,506,341
> miles without killing anyone.
>
> How many have to die before psycholists realise a push bike simply isn't a
> viable form of transport?
>
> --
> Dave - intelligent enough to realise that a push bike, like a skateboard, is
> a kid's toy, not a viable form of transport.

Eh? Nobody died and "how many have to die before..." in the same post.
What are you on about?

Mrcheerful[_2_]

November 9th 10, 06:06 PM

Tony Dragon wrote:
> On 08/11/2010 23:06, Mrcheerful wrote:
>> "Tony > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 08/11/2010 22:42, Mrcheerful wrote:
>>>> > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>> On Nov 8, 9:54 pm, > wrote:
>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>> ...
>>>>> On Nov 8, 8:44 pm, > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Simon > wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On Nov 8, 8:02 pm, Simon > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Surely they teach HGV drivers not to be over the limit, use
>>>>>>> their mirrors and not to use mobile phones?
>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://qurl.com/28jd6
>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Simon Mason
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1327813/Tipper-truck-driver-c...
>>>>>
>>>>>> don't get on the inside of lorries, particularly at junctions,
>>>>>> she paid the
>>>>>> ultimate price for her actions.
>>>>>
>>>>> And why then do lorries come up beside cyclists at traffic lights?
>>>>>
>>>>> when did you last see a cyclist stop at a set of traffic lights?
>>>>
>>>> Every day, you ****. And so do you.
>>>> This morning I stopped for a pedestrian plus sprog. The car behind
>>>> me stopped.
>>>> The pedestrian still waited. Quite rightly as it happened. The car
>>>> coming from the opposite direction did not slow down and just drove
>>>> through. I don't generalise from it.
>>>>
>>>>> Pound to a penny she rode up the inside.
>>>>
>>>> So just your prejudice, then. Sniping at the dead.
>>>>
>>>> I can honestly say that I do not see cyclists stop at lights, they
>>>> just ride
>>>> on through, every time. If I ever see one I will mention it here.
>>>> And yes, I do think she rode up the inside, and by so doing she put
>>>> herself
>>>> into mortal danger, perhaps if she had been trained in road use
>>>> then this tragedy need not have occurred.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm on record as saying every morning I see cyclists RLJ on my way
>>> to work, I'm also on record as saying for every one that jumps
>>> lights there are about 20 who don't.
>>> It's the one in twenty I have trouble with.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Tony Dragon
>>
>> do you actually see cyclists stop at red lights though?
>>
>>
>
> I thought I made it plain enough.
> I see some that stop (correct)
> I see some that had stopped (correct)
> I see some that pass the stop line & stop the other side of the
> pedestrian crossing (wrong)
> I see some that stop, ride across the pavement to avoid the lights,
> then join the other carriageway e.g. LH turns (wrong)
> I see some (many) who anticipate the light change jump the red light &
> drive through the pedestrian crossing when the green man is lit
> (wrong) I see the same as the above but turn left (wrong)
> I also see some who just barge through whatever the light show.
> (wrong)
> I estimate that the law breakers to the lawful is about 1 in 20
>
> Is that clear?

Not really, because you have not seen 19 cyclists stop at a red light and
only 1 go through. Try observing a set of lights for a while and count the
number of cyclists that just roll through on red and the number that stop
before the stop line and wait for the green before proceeding. I doubt if
you will see even ten per cent stop when they should.

Just zis Guy, you know?[_33_]

November 9th 10, 10:47 PM

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On 09/11/2010 00:59, The Medway Handyman wrote:
> Just zis ****, you know? wrote:
>> On 09/11/2010 00:19, The Medway Handyman wrote:
>>> Meanwhile - todays breaking news - 34,299,993 motorists drove
>>> 1,150,506,341 miles without killing anyone.
>>
>> Statistically highly improbable. The road fatality rate is between
>> five and ten per day, on average.
>
> My figures allow for 7, on average.
>
> Whoops you ****ed up again.
>
> What was your degree in? ****ology?

You've been attending the DerekC school of flaming I see.

Hint: 5 < 7 < 10

Oh, and for 2009 it was 6.0876712328767123287671232876712. Do you think
exactly 6.0876712328767123287671232876712 people died on the roads each
and every day of 2006?

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Tony Dragon

November 9th 10, 11:26 PM

On 09/11/2010 18:06, Mrcheerful wrote:
> Tony Dragon wrote:
>> On 08/11/2010 23:06, Mrcheerful wrote:
>>> "Tony > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 08/11/2010 22:42, Mrcheerful wrote:
>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>> On Nov 8, 9:54 pm, > wrote:
>>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On Nov 8, 8:44 pm, > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Simon > wrote in message
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> On Nov 8, 8:02 pm, Simon > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Surely they teach HGV drivers not to be over the limit, use
>>>>>>>> their mirrors and not to use mobile phones?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://qurl.com/28jd6
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Simon Mason
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1327813/Tipper-truck-driver-c...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> don't get on the inside of lorries, particularly at junctions,
>>>>>>> she paid the
>>>>>>> ultimate price for her actions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And why then do lorries come up beside cyclists at traffic lights?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> when did you last see a cyclist stop at a set of traffic lights?
>>>>>
>>>>> Every day, you ****. And so do you.
>>>>> This morning I stopped for a pedestrian plus sprog. The car behind
>>>>> me stopped.
>>>>> The pedestrian still waited. Quite rightly as it happened. The car
>>>>> coming from the opposite direction did not slow down and just drove
>>>>> through. I don't generalise from it.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Pound to a penny she rode up the inside.
>>>>>
>>>>> So just your prejudice, then. Sniping at the dead.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can honestly say that I do not see cyclists stop at lights, they
>>>>> just ride
>>>>> on through, every time. If I ever see one I will mention it here.
>>>>> And yes, I do think she rode up the inside, and by so doing she put
>>>>> herself
>>>>> into mortal danger, perhaps if she had been trained in road use
>>>>> then this tragedy need not have occurred.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm on record as saying every morning I see cyclists RLJ on my way
>>>> to work, I'm also on record as saying for every one that jumps
>>>> lights there are about 20 who don't.
>>>> It's the one in twenty I have trouble with.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Tony Dragon
>>>
>>> do you actually see cyclists stop at red lights though?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I thought I made it plain enough.
>> I see some that stop (correct)
>> I see some that had stopped (correct)
>> I see some that pass the stop line& stop the other side of the
>> pedestrian crossing (wrong)
>> I see some that stop, ride across the pavement to avoid the lights,
>> then join the other carriageway e.g. LH turns (wrong)
>> I see some (many) who anticipate the light change jump the red light&
>> drive through the pedestrian crossing when the green man is lit
>> (wrong) I see the same as the above but turn left (wrong)
>> I also see some who just barge through whatever the light show.
>> (wrong)
>> I estimate that the law breakers to the lawful is about 1 in 20
>>
>> Is that clear?
>
> Not really, because you have not seen 19 cyclists stop at a red light and
> only 1 go through. Try observing a set of lights for a while and count the
> number of cyclists that just roll through on red and the number that stop
> before the stop line and wait for the green before proceeding. I doubt if
> you will see even ten per cent stop when they should.
>
>

My statement is as I made it, I'm sorry you don't like it (well I'm not
really)

But at the set of lights I am thinking of, it would not be unusual to
see 30 cyclists waiting at the lights at the time I am there.

And do not forget according to some on this NG I am a cyclist hater.

--
Tony Dragon

The Medway Handyman[_3_]

November 10th 10, 12:36 AM

Just zis ****, you know? wrote:
> On 09/11/2010 00:59, The Medway Handyman wrote:
>> Just zis ****, you know? wrote:
>>> On 09/11/2010 00:19, The Medway Handyman wrote:
>>>> Meanwhile - todays breaking news - 34,299,993 motorists drove
>>>> 1,150,506,341 miles without killing anyone.
>>>
>>> Statistically highly improbable. The road fatality rate is between
>>> five and ten per day, on average.
>>
>> My figures allow for 7, on average.
>>
>> Whoops you ****ed up again.
>>
>> What was your degree in? ****ology?
>
> You've been attending the DerekC school of flaming I see.

Whilst you've been attending the JTGTYK school of stupid.

> Hint: 5 < 7 < 10

Hint. The average of 5 & 10 is 7.5.

>
> Oh, and for 2009 it was 6.0876712328767123287671232876712.

What was? The number of bacteria on your penis? The number of brain cells
you have lost this year?

You really do need to take English as a first language.

--
Dave - intelligent enough to realise that a push bike, like a skateboard, is
a kid's toy, not a viable form of transport.

Tom Crispin[_4_]

November 10th 10, 07:02 AM

On Tue, 09 Nov 2010 22:47:42 +0000, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
> wrote:

>for 2009 it was 6.0876712328767123287671232876712

If writing a recurring decimal, it is better to mark the recurring
section, e.g. 6.0'87671232', then there is no need to keep repeating
it.

Justin[_3_]

November 10th 10, 11:04 AM

On 8 nov, 21:44, "Mrcheerful" > wrote:
> "Simon Mason" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Nov 8, 8:02 pm, Simon Mason > wrote:
>
> > Surely they teach HGV drivers not to be over the limit, use their
> > mirrors and not to use mobile phones?
>
> >http://qurl.com/28jd6
>
> > --
> > Simon Mason
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1327813/Tipper-truck-driver-c...
>
> don't get on the inside of lorries, particularly at junctions, she paid the
> ultimate price for her actions.

Like the motorist who was beaten up forr "dooring" a cyclist, you mean?

Just zis Guy, you know?[_33_]

November 11th 10, 09:29 PM

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On 10/11/2010 00:36, The Medway Handyman wrote:
> Just zis ****, you know? wrote:
>> On 09/11/2010 00:59, The Medway Handyman wrote:
>>> Just zis ****, you know? wrote:
>>>> On 09/11/2010 00:19, The Medway Handyman wrote:
>>>>> Meanwhile - todays breaking news - 34,299,993 motorists drove
>>>>> 1,150,506,341 miles without killing anyone.
>>>>
>>>> Statistically highly improbable. The road fatality rate is between
>>>> five and ten per day, on average.
>>>
>>> My figures allow for 7, on average.
>>>
>>> Whoops you ****ed up again.
>>>
>>> What was your degree in? ****ology?
>>
>> You've been attending the DerekC school of flaming I see.
>
> Whilst you've been attending the JTGTYK school of stupid.
>
>> Hint: 5 < 7 < 10
>
> Hint. The average of 5 & 10 is 7.5.

The fact that not only can you still not see where you went wrong, but
you actually repeated it, is sheer comedy gold.

- --
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JNugent[_7_]

November 11th 10, 09:47 PM

On 11/11/2010 21:29, Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:

> On 10/11/2010 00:36, The Medway Handyman wrote:
>> Just zis ****, you know? wrote:
>>> On 09/11/2010 00:59, The Medway Handyman wrote:
>>>> Just zis ****, you know? wrote:
>>>>> On 09/11/2010 00:19, The Medway Handyman wrote:

>>>>>> Meanwhile - todays breaking news - 34,299,993 motorists drove
>>>>>> 1,150,506,341 miles without killing anyone.

>>>>> Statistically highly improbable. The road fatality rate is between
>>>>> five and ten per day, on average.

Read what he said, not what you wish he'd said.

It's usually only the last few yards of a journey in which a collision occurs
(in the tiny proportion of journeys which result in a collision, that is).
Taking those few yards out of the arithmetic doesn't make a significant
difference to the overall distance travelled.

He is therefore not wrong - but you are.

See what I did there?

I copied the debating style often used by you and Mr Crispin.

Just zis Guy, you know?[_33_]

November 11th 10, 10:55 PM

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> On 11/11/2010 21:29, Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
>
>> On 10/11/2010 00:36, The Medway Handyman wrote:
>>> Just zis ****, you know? wrote:
>>>> On 09/11/2010 00:59, The Medway Handyman wrote:
>>>>> Just zis ****, you know? wrote:
>>>>>> On 09/11/2010 00:19, The Medway Handyman wrote:
>
>>>>>>> Meanwhile - todays breaking news - 34,299,993 motorists drove
>>>>>>> 1,150,506,341 miles without killing anyone.
>
>>>>>> Statistically highly improbable. The road fatality rate is between
>>>>>> five and ten per day, on average.
>
> Read what he said, not what you wish he'd said.
>
> It's usually only the last few yards of a journey in which a collision
> occurs (in the tiny proportion of journeys which result in a collision,
> that is). Taking those few yards out of the arithmetic doesn't make a
> significant difference to the overall distance travelled.
>
> He is therefore not wrong - but you are.
>
> See what I did there?

Yes, you offered a way in which the statement could be interpreted as
meaningless rather than wrong. Well done.

- --
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JNugent[_7_]

November 11th 10, 11:16 PM

On 11/11/2010 22:55, Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:

> On 11/11/2010 21:47, JNugent wrote:
>> On 11/11/2010 21:29, Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
>>> On 10/11/2010 00:36, The Medway Handyman wrote:
>>>> Just zis ****, you know? wrote:
>>>>> On 09/11/2010 00:59, The Medway Handyman wrote:
>>>>>> Just zis ****, you know? wrote:
>>>>>>> On 09/11/2010 00:19, The Medway Handyman wrote:

>>>>>>>> Meanwhile - todays breaking news - 34,299,993 motorists drove
>>>>>>>> 1,150,506,341 miles without killing anyone.

>>>>>>> Statistically highly improbable. The road fatality rate is between
>>>>>>> five and ten per day, on average.

>> Read what he said, not what you wish he'd said.
>> It's usually only the last few yards of a journey in which a collision
>> occurs (in the tiny proportion of journeys which result in a collision,
>> that is). Taking those few yards out of the arithmetic doesn't make a
>> significant difference to the overall distance travelled.
>> He is therefore not wrong - but you are.
>> See what I did there?
[snip]

> Yes, you offered a way in which the statement could be interpreted as
> meaningless rather than wrong. Well done.

I wonder why you snipped the bit where I observed that I had simply imitated
a "debating" style that you often use?

You are wrong above as well. "Today's breaking news - 34,299,993 motorists
drove 1,150,506,341 miles without killing anyone" is not meaningless. It may
be right, it may be wrong and it may well not be what the poster actually
meant to say, but it isn't meaningless. Your concurrence is not the
definition of "meaning".

Derek C

November 12th 10, 06:53 AM

On Nov 12, 1:01*am, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
> wrote:
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> On 11/11/2010 23:16, JNugent wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 11/11/2010 22:55, Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
>
> >> On 11/11/2010 21:47, JNugent wrote:
> >>> On 11/11/2010 21:29, Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
> >>>> On 10/11/2010 00:36, The Medway Handyman wrote:
> >>>>> Just zis ****, you know? wrote:
> >>>>>> On 09/11/2010 00:59, The Medway Handyman wrote:
> >>>>>>> Just zis ****, you know? wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 09/11/2010 00:19, The Medway Handyman wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>> Meanwhile - todays breaking news - 34,299,993 *motorists drove
> >>>>>>>>> 1,150,506,341 miles without killing anyone.
>
> >>>>>>>> Statistically highly improbable. The road fatality rate is between
> >>>>>>>> five and ten per day, on average.
>
> >>> Read what he said, not what you wish he'd said.
> >>> It's usually only the last few yards of a journey in which a collision
> >>> occurs (in the tiny proportion of journeys which result in a collision,
> >>> that is). Taking those few yards out of the arithmetic doesn't make a
> >>> significant difference to the overall distance travelled.
> >>> He is therefore not wrong - but you are.
> >>> See what I did there?
> > [snip]
>
> >> Yes, you offered a way in which the statement could be interpreted as
> >> meaningless rather than wrong. Well done.
>
> > I wonder why you snipped the bit where I observed that I had simply
> > imitated a "debating" style that you often use?
>
> OK, so you offered a way in which the statement could be interpreted as
> meaningless rather than wrong and then you made a snide remark which you
> mistakenly thought would in some way validate your error. Well done.
>
> - --
> Guy Chapman,http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

One of Guy's standard debating techniques is to imply that a poster
has made an error without actually stating what it is. This probably
means he can't actually refute what was said, or doesn't understand
it!

Derek C

Tony Raven[_3_]

November 12th 10, 07:09 AM

Derek C > wrote:

> One of Guy's standard debating techniques is to imply that a poster
> has made an error without actually stating what it is. This probably
> means he can't actually refute what was said, or doesn't understand
> it!
>

Whereas Derek's technique is to make big errors and then staunchly
defend them against all comers.. Usually he eventually realises what
he's done and tries to then divert attention away but in some cases he
is still blissfully ignorant of the errors he's made vide. the current
issue of going over the bars and landing on your head.

--
Tony

Derek C

November 12th 10, 07:17 AM

On Nov 12, 7:09*am, Tony Raven > wrote:
> Derek C > wrote:
> > One of Guy's standard debating techniques is to imply that a poster
> > has made an error without actually stating what it is. This probably
> > means he can't actually refute what was said, or doesn't understand
> > it!
>
> Whereas Derek's technique is to make big errors and then staunchly
> defend them against all comers.. *Usually he eventually realises what
> he's done and tries to then divert attention away but in some cases he
> is still blissfully ignorant of the errors he's made vide. the current
> issue of going over the bars and landing on your head.
>
> --
> Tony

I have provided you with enough written and video evidence that
cyclists can, and quite frequently do, go over the handlebars. You
only need the bike to stop suddenly due to heavy braking or a
collision and Newton's first law and gravity does the rest.

Derek C

Tony Raven[_3_]

November 12th 10, 07:31 AM

Derek C > wrote:
> On Nov 12, 7:09 am, Tony Raven > wrote:
>> Derek C > wrote:
>>> One of Guy's standard debating techniques is to imply that a poster
>>> has made an error without actually stating what it is. This probably
>>> means he can't actually refute what was said, or doesn't understand
>>> it!
>>
>> Whereas Derek's technique is to make big errors and then staunchly
>> defend them against all comers.. Usually he eventually realises what
>> he's done and tries to then divert attention away but in some cases
> > he
>> is still blissfully ignorant of the errors he's made vide. the
> > current
>> issue of going over the bars and landing on your head.
>>
>> --
>> Tony
>
> I have provided you with enough written and video evidence that
> cyclists can, and quite frequently do, go over the handlebars. You
> only need the bike to stop suddenly due to heavy braking or a
> collision and Newton's first law and gravity does the rest.
>
> Derek C

Thereby giving an illustration of diverting attention from your errors.
Nobody has claimed cyclists don't go over the handlebars. They have
said that your claim that when it happens cyclists rotate round the
handlebars to land on their heads is nonsense and nothing you have
posted or declined to post has shown otherwise.

--
Tony

Derek C

November 12th 10, 07:45 AM

On Nov 12, 7:31*am, Tony Raven > wrote:
> Derek C > wrote:
> > On Nov 12, 7:09 am, Tony Raven > wrote:
> >> Derek C > wrote:
> >>> One of Guy's standard debating techniques is to imply that a poster
> >>> has made an error without actually stating what it is. This probably
> >>> means he can't actually refute what was said, or doesn't understand
> >>> it!
>
> >> Whereas Derek's technique is to make big errors and then staunchly
> >> defend them against all comers.. *Usually he eventually realises what
> >> he's done and tries to then divert attention away but in some cases
> > > he
> >> is still blissfully ignorant of the errors he's made vide. the
> > > current
> >> issue of going over the bars and landing on your head.
>
> >> --
> >> Tony
>
> > I have provided you with enough written and video evidence that
> > cyclists can, and quite frequently do, go over the handlebars. You
> > only need the bike to stop suddenly due to heavy braking or a
> > collision and Newton's first law and gravity does the rest.
>
> > Derek C
>
> Thereby giving an illustration of diverting attention from your errors.
> Nobody has claimed cyclists don't go over the handlebars. *They have
> said that your claim that when it happens cyclists rotate round the
> handlebars to land on their heads is nonsense and nothing you have
> posted or declined to post has shown otherwise.
>
> --
> Tony- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

38% of cyclists who are involved in reported road traffic accidents
suffer some degree of head or facial injury (source DfT)!

Derek C

Marc[_5_]

November 12th 10, 08:01 AM

On 12/11/2010 07:17, Derek C wrote:
> On Nov 12, 7:09 am, Tony > wrote:
>> Derek > wrote:
>>> One of Guy's standard debating techniques is to imply that a poster
>>> has made an error without actually stating what it is. This probably
>>> means he can't actually refute what was said, or doesn't understand
>>> it!
>>
>> Whereas Derek's technique is to make big errors and then staunchly
>> defend them against all comers.. Usually he eventually realises what
>> he's done and tries to then divert attention away but in some cases he
>> is still blissfully ignorant of the errors he's made vide. the current
>> issue of going over the bars and landing on your head.
>>
>> --
>> Tony
>
> I have provided you with enough written and video evidence that
> cyclists can, and quite frequently do, go over the handlebars. You
> only need the bike to stop suddenly due to heavy braking or a
> collision and Newton's first law and gravity does the rest.

But you haven't provided the one piece of evidence that was asked for
first, has been asked for repeatedly since, and would be the one piece
that would definitively prove the "simple physics" that the cyclist
would go land on their head, the diagram.
Where is the diagram Derek?

Marc[_5_]

November 12th 10, 08:07 AM

On 12/11/2010 07:45, Derek C wrote:
> On Nov 12, 7:31 am, Tony > wrote:
>> Derek > wrote:
>>> On Nov 12, 7:09 am, Tony > wrote:
>>>> Derek > wrote:
>>>>> One of Guy's standard debating techniques is to imply that a poster
>>>>> has made an error without actually stating what it is. This probably
>>>>> means he can't actually refute what was said, or doesn't understand
>>>>> it!
>>
>>>> Whereas Derek's technique is to make big errors and then staunchly
>>>> defend them against all comers.. Usually he eventually realises what
>>>> he's done and tries to then divert attention away but in some cases
>>>> he
>>>> is still blissfully ignorant of the errors he's made vide. the
>>>> current
>>>> issue of going over the bars and landing on your head.
>>
>>>> --
>>>> Tony
>>
>>> I have provided you with enough written and video evidence that
>>> cyclists can, and quite frequently do, go over the handlebars. You
>>> only need the bike to stop suddenly due to heavy braking or a
>>> collision and Newton's first law and gravity does the rest.
>>
>>> Derek C
>>
>> Thereby giving an illustration of diverting attention from your errors.
>> Nobody has claimed cyclists don't go over the handlebars. They have
>> said that your claim that when it happens cyclists rotate round the
>> handlebars to land on their heads is nonsense and nothing you have
>> posted or declined to post has shown otherwise.
>>
>> --
>> Tony- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> 38% of cyclists who are involved in reported road traffic accidents
> suffer some degree of head or facial injury (source DfT)!

How much time have you spent searching youtube, looking up statistics ,
trying to find quotes? Wouldn't be just so much simpler ,easier and
quicker to draw the diagram?

You can draw it, can't you Derek?
You do understand the forces involved, you aren't just parroting phrases
like " rotational couple" are you Derek?

Where is the diagram Derek?

Tony Raven[_3_]

November 12th 10, 09:14 AM

Derek C > wrote:
> On Nov 12, 7:31 am, Tony Raven > wrote:
>> Derek C > wrote:
>>> On Nov 12, 7:09 am, Tony Raven > wrote:
>>>> Derek C > wrote:
>>>>> One of Guy's standard debating techniques is to imply that a
> > > > > poster
>>>>> has made an error without actually stating what it is. This
> > > > > probably
>>>>> means he can't actually refute what was said, or doesn't
> > > > > understand
>>>>> it!
>>
>>>> Whereas Derek's technique is to make big errors and then staunchly
>>>> defend them against all comers.. Usually he eventually realises
> > > > what
>>>> he's done and tries to then divert attention away but in some cases
>>>> he
>>>> is still blissfully ignorant of the errors he's made vide. the
>>>> current
>>>> issue of going over the bars and landing on your head.
>>
>>>> --
>>>> Tony
>>
>>> I have provided you with enough written and video evidence that
>>> cyclists can, and quite frequently do, go over the handlebars. You
>>> only need the bike to stop suddenly due to heavy braking or a
>>> collision and Newton's first law and gravity does the rest.
>>
>>> Derek C
>>
>> Thereby giving an illustration of diverting attention from your
> > errors.
>> Nobody has claimed cyclists don't go over the handlebars. They have
>> said that your claim that when it happens cyclists rotate round the
>> handlebars to land on their heads is nonsense and nothing you have
>> posted or declined to post has shown otherwise.
>>
>> --
>> Tony- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> 38% of cyclists who are involved in reported road traffic accidents
> suffer some degree of head or facial injury (source DfT)!
>

So what? Most are hit by motor vehicles, not by going over the
handlebars. So just another attempt to distract from the fact that you
are both wrong and trying to avoid admitting it by changing the subject.

For pedestrians by the way the figure is 48% and they don't even have
any handlebars to rotate around.

--
Tony

JNugent[_7_]

November 12th 10, 04:40 PM

On 12/11/2010 06:53, Derek C wrote:
> On Nov 12, 1:01 am, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
> > wrote:
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>> On 11/11/2010 23:16, JNugent wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 11/11/2010 22:55, Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
>>
>>>> On 11/11/2010 21:47, JNugent wrote:
>>>>> On 11/11/2010 21:29, Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/11/2010 00:36, The Medway Handyman wrote:
>>>>>>> Just zis ****, you know? wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 09/11/2010 00:59, The Medway Handyman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Just zis ****, you know? wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 09/11/2010 00:19, The Medway Handyman wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile - todays breaking news - 34,299,993 motorists drove
>>>>>>>>>>> 1,150,506,341 miles without killing anyone.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Statistically highly improbable. The road fatality rate is between
>>>>>>>>>> five and ten per day, on average.
>>
>>>>> Read what he said, not what you wish he'd said.
>>>>> It's usually only the last few yards of a journey in which a collision
>>>>> occurs (in the tiny proportion of journeys which result in a collision,
>>>>> that is). Taking those few yards out of the arithmetic doesn't make a
>>>>> significant difference to the overall distance travelled.
>>>>> He is therefore not wrong - but you are.
>>>>> See what I did there?
>>> [snip]
>>
>>>> Yes, you offered a way in which the statement could be interpreted as
>>>> meaningless rather than wrong. Well done.
>>
>>> I wonder why you snipped the bit where I observed that I had simply
>>> imitated a "debating" style that you often use?
>>
>> OK, so you offered a way in which the statement could be interpreted as
>> meaningless rather than wrong and then you made a snide remark which you
>> mistakenly thought would in some way validate your error. Well done.
>>
>> - --
>> Guy Chapman,http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk
>
> One of Guy's standard debating techniques is to imply that a poster
> has made an error without actually stating what it is. This probably
> means he can't actually refute what was said, or doesn't understand
> it!

There was no error except the ones made by Guy.

Not that his were accidental, you understand.