Another non-viable form of transport.

[Simon Mason]

A big battleship sailing from Plymouth to Cardiff was delayed from reaching
its destination due to scary high winds, but a team of 4 cyclists made it OK
despite being on "kid's toys". :-)

Well done, lads.


http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2010/11/14/100mph-winds-stop-hms-monmouth-docking-in-cardiff-91466-27653621/#ixzz15GDZ7Oiu--Simon Masonhttp://www.simonmason.karoo.net/

[Simon Mason]

Oops, mangled link.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2010/11/14/100mph-winds-stop-hms-monmouth-docking-in-cardiff-91466-27653621/

[Mrcheerful[_2_]]

"Simon Mason" > wrote in message
. uk...
>A big battleship sailing from Plymouth to Cardiff was delayed from reaching
>its destination due to scary high winds, but a team of 4 cyclists made it
>OK despite being on "kid's toys". :-)
>
> Well done, lads.
>
>
> http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2010/11/14/100mph-winds-stop-hms-monmouth-docking-in-cardiff-91466-27653621/#ixzz15GDZ7Oiu--Simon
> Masonhttp://www.simonmason.karoo.net/
>

and they rode through 100 mph winds too?

[Simon Mason]

"Mrcheerful" > wrote in message
...
>
> and they rode through 100 mph winds too?
>

Of course; they cycled the same route as the warship, albeit on land.
I monitored the conditions that night on http://www.xcweather.co.uk and the
wind speeds were similar magnitudes as monitored by sea buoys or airport
data.

80 - 100 mph winds were commonly seen all over the SW that night.

--
Simon Mason
http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/

[Marc[_5_]]

On 14/11/2010 13:51, Simon Mason wrote:
>
> "Mrcheerful" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> and they rode through 100 mph winds too?
>>
>
> Of course; they cycled the same route as the warship, albeit on land.
> I monitored the conditions that night on http://www.xcweather.co.uk and
> the wind speeds were similar magnitudes as monitored by sea buoys or
> airport data.
>
> 80 - 100 mph winds were commonly seen all over the SW that night.
>
>
Cardiff isn't in the SW.

[Mr Pounder]

"Simon Mason" > wrote in message
. uk...
>
> "Mrcheerful" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> and they rode through 100 mph winds too?
>>
>
> Of course; they cycled the same route as the warship, albeit on land.
> I monitored the conditions that night on http://www.xcweather.co.uk and
> the wind speeds were similar magnitudes as monitored by sea buoys or
> airport data.
>
> 80 - 100 mph winds were commonly seen all over the SW that night.
>
> --
> Simon Mason
> http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/

So these nobheads were out on their cycles, on the road, on the footpath
whilst there was a severe weather warning.
I think that sums up cyclists nicely.

Mr Pounder
>
>

[JMS]

On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 13:51:56 -0000, "Simon Mason"
> wrote:

>
>"Mrcheerful" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> and they rode through 100 mph winds too?
>>
>
>Of course; they cycled the same route as the warship, albeit on land.
>I monitored the conditions that night on http://www.xcweather.co.uk


What a fulfilling life you lead.


--
Stopping distances for bicycles do not appear in the HC ... and so
cannot be of any consequence.
(Simon Mason - who cycles at 25mph in 20 mph limits - and thinks it's clever)

[Simon Mason[_4_]]

On Nov 14, 2:39*pm, JMS > wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 13:51:56 -0000, "Simon Mason"
>
> > wrote:
>
> >"Mrcheerful" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> >> and they rode through 100 mph winds too?
>
> >Of course; they cycled the same route as the warship, albeit on land.
> >I monitored the conditions that night onhttp://www.xcweather.co.uk
>
> What a fulfilling life you lead.

I was at work that evening and so had to keep a careful eye on the
weather, so I could choose a fairly safe route home that night in case
I (or a lorry) got blown over.

--
Simon Mason

[Mr Pounder]

"Marc" > wrote in message
...
> On 14/11/2010 13:51, Simon Mason wrote:
>>
>> "Mrcheerful" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> and they rode through 100 mph winds too?
>>>
>>
>> Of course; they cycled the same route as the warship, albeit on land.
>> I monitored the conditions that night on http://www.xcweather.co.uk and
>> the wind speeds were similar magnitudes as monitored by sea buoys or
>> airport data.
>>
>> 80 - 100 mph winds were commonly seen all over the SW that night.
>>
>>
> Cardiff isn't in the SW.

Yes it is.

Mr Pounder
>

[Marc[_5_]]

On 14/11/2010 15:30, Mr Pounder wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 14/11/2010 13:51, Simon Mason wrote:
>>>
>>> > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> and they rode through 100 mph winds too?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Of course; they cycled the same route as the warship, albeit on land.
>>> I monitored the conditions that night on http://www.xcweather.co.uk and
>>> the wind speeds were similar magnitudes as monitored by sea buoys or
>>> airport data.
>>>
>>> 80 - 100 mph winds were commonly seen all over the SW that night.
>>>
>>>
>> Cardiff isn't in the SW.
>
> Yes it is.

How would you prefer to be proved wrong?

[Mrcheerful[_2_]]

"Mr Pounder" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Simon Mason" > wrote in message
> . uk...
>>
>> "Mrcheerful" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> and they rode through 100 mph winds too?
>>>
>>
>> Of course; they cycled the same route as the warship, albeit on land.
>> I monitored the conditions that night on http://www.xcweather.co.uk and
>> the wind speeds were similar magnitudes as monitored by sea buoys or
>> airport data.
>>
>> 80 - 100 mph winds were commonly seen all over the SW that night.
>>
>> --
>> Simon Mason
>> http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/
>
> So these nobheads were out on their cycles, on the road, on the footpath
> whilst there was a severe weather warning.
> I think that sums up cyclists nicely.
>
> Mr Pounder
>>

A quick check on the GPS shows that going straight from plymouth to cardiff
is 228 miles (not using motorways) So they did not go anything like the
same route as the ship at all, so a load more rubbish spouted by the OP.
Inland winds are nothing like the same as winds at sea. The ship journey
would be something like 300 miles minimum. All in all as pointless as a Top
Gear challenge.

[Simon Mason]

"Mrcheerful" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Mr Pounder" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Simon Mason" > wrote in message
>> . uk...
>>>
>>> "Mrcheerful" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> and they rode through 100 mph winds too?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Of course; they cycled the same route as the warship, albeit on land.
>>> I monitored the conditions that night on http://www.xcweather.co.uk and
>>> the wind speeds were similar magnitudes as monitored by sea buoys or
>>> airport data.
>>>
>>> 80 - 100 mph winds were commonly seen all over the SW that night.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Simon Mason
>>> http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/
>>
>> So these nobheads were out on their cycles, on the road, on the footpath
>> whilst there was a severe weather warning.
>> I think that sums up cyclists nicely.
>>
>> Mr Pounder
>>>
>
> A quick check on the GPS shows that going straight from plymouth to
> cardiff is 228 miles (not using motorways) So they did not go anything
> like the same route as the ship at all, so a load more rubbish spouted by
> the OP. Inland winds are nothing like the same as winds at sea. The ship
> journey would be something like 300 miles minimum. All in all as
> pointless as a Top Gear challenge.
>

[Simon Mason]

"Mrcheerful" > wrote in message
...

>All in all as pointless as a Top Gear challenge.

Since it did not have the outcome that you wished - like the Top Gear
challenge :-)


--
Simon Mason
http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/

[Adam Lea[_3_]]

On 14/11/10 13:51, Simon Mason wrote:
>
> "Mrcheerful" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> and they rode through 100 mph winds too?
>>
>
> Of course; they cycled the same route as the warship, albeit on land.
> I monitored the conditions that night on http://www.xcweather.co.uk and
> the wind speeds were similar magnitudes as monitored by sea buoys or
> airport data.
>
> 80 - 100 mph winds were commonly seen all over the SW that night.
>
> --
> Simon Mason
> http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/
>

Two points:

1. Wind speeds over the land are typically lower than over the sea, due
to increased surface roughness.

2. Media method of reporting storm windspeeds:
a) Take the highest peak wind speed recorded at a single point in
the UK.
b) Assume this applies everywhere else.

The 100 mph wind measurement was taken at the top of Great Dun Fell,
848m asl,

Highest gusts over land not including high summits were Winter Hill (78
mph) and Blackpool airport (75 mph).

[roger merriman]

Simon Mason > wrote:

> A big battleship sailing from Plymouth to Cardiff was delayed from reaching
> its destination due to scary high winds, but a team of 4 cyclists made it OK
> despite being on "kid's toys". :-)
>
> Well done, lads.
>
>
>
what battleship?

HMS Monmouth is a long long way from being a battleship.

Roger
--
www.rogermerriman.com

[Simon Mason]

"Roger Merriman" > wrote in message
...
> Simon Mason > wrote:
>
>> A big battleship sailing from Plymouth to Cardiff was delayed from
>> reaching
>> its destination due to scary high winds, but a team of 4 cyclists made it
>> OK
>> despite being on "kid's toys". :-)
>>
>> Well done, lads.
>>
>>
>>
> what battleship?
>
> HMS Monmouth is a long long way from being a battleship.
>
> Roger
> --

My mistake - it is only a 5000 tonne frigate with a top speed of 28 knots.

--
Simon Mason
http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/

[roger merriman]

Simon Mason > wrote:

> "Roger Merriman" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Simon Mason > wrote:
> >
> >> A big battleship sailing from Plymouth to Cardiff was delayed from
> >> reaching
> >> its destination due to scary high winds, but a team of 4 cyclists made it
> >> OK
> >> despite being on "kid's toys". :-)
> >>
> >> Well done, lads.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > what battleship?
> >
> > HMS Monmouth is a long long way from being a battleship.
> >
> > Roger
> > --
>
> My mistake - it is only a 5000 tonne frigate with a top speed of 28 knots.

as apposed to a 50,000 tonne ship? Don't get me wrong your not the only
person to use the term this way, bbc did the other day...

But it's lazy language.

Roger
--
www.rogermerriman.com

[Marc[_5_]]

On 14/11/2010 17:29, Roger Merriman wrote:
> Simon > wrote:
>
>> "Roger > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Simon > wrote:
>>>
>>>> A big battleship sailing from Plymouth to Cardiff was delayed from
>>>> reaching
>>>> its destination due to scary high winds, but a team of 4 cyclists made it
>>>> OK
>>>> despite being on "kid's toys". :-)
>>>>
>>>> Well done, lads.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> what battleship?
>>>
>>> HMS Monmouth is a long long way from being a battleship.
>>>
>>> Roger
>>> --
>>
>> My mistake - it is only a 5000 tonne frigate with a top speed of 28 knots.
>
> as apposed to a 50,000 tonne ship? Don't get me wrong your not the only
> person to use the term this way, bbc did the other day...
>
> But it's lazy language.
>
> Roger
Are there any Battleships any more?

[JNugent[_7_]]

On 14/11/2010 12:55, Simon Mason wrote:

> A big battleship sailing from Plymouth to Cardiff was delayed from reaching
> its destination due to scary high winds, but a team of 4 cyclists made it OK
> despite being on "kid's toys". :-)
>
> Well done, lads.

Did they go via Gloucester?

[JNugent[_7_]]

On 14/11/2010 13:51, Simon Mason wrote:

> ... they cycled the same route as the warship, albeit on land.

???

[Simon Mason]

"Roger Merriman" > wrote in message
...
>> My mistake - it is only a 5000 tonne frigate with a top speed of 28
>> knots.
>
> as apposed to a 50,000 tonne ship? Don't get me wrong your not the only
> person to use the term this way, the BBC did the other day...
>

They have no excuse - I do not even possess an "O" level in English. ;-)


--
Simon Mason
http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/

[Mrcheerful[_2_]]

"Simon Mason" > wrote in message
. uk...
>
> "Mrcheerful" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>All in all as pointless as a Top Gear challenge.
>
> Since it did not have the outcome that you wished - like the Top Gear
> challenge :-)
>
>
> --
> Simon Mason
> http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/
>

no comment about your lies about the route then?

[Simon Mason]

"JNugent" > wrote in message
...
> On 14/11/2010 13:51, Simon Mason wrote:
>
>> ... they cycled the same route as the warship, albeit on land.
>
> ???

Sigh.
I'd have assumed that readers would have had a basic knowledge of UK
geography.
What I should have said was that they undertook the same trip or journey
(both from Plymouth to Cardiff) albeit the cyclists did it on land.
Apologies for any confusion caused.

--
Simon Mason
http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/

[JNugent[_7_]]

On 14/11/2010 17:46, Simon Mason wrote:

> "JNugent" > wrote:
>> On 14/11/2010 13:51, Simon Mason wrote:

>>> ... they cycled the same route as the warship, albeit on land.

>> ???

> Sigh.
> I'd have assumed that readers would have had a basic knowledge of UK geography.

Oh, I have that in spadefuls. And an O Level in English.

> What I should have said was that they undertook the same trip or journey
> (both from Plymouth to Cardiff) albeit the cyclists did it on land.
> Apologies for any confusion caused.

Apologies accepted (though none were necessary).

[Simon Mason]

"JNugent" > wrote in message
...
> On 14/11/2010 12:55, Simon Mason wrote:
>
>> A big battleship sailing from Plymouth to Cardiff was delayed from
>> reaching
>> its destination due to scary high winds, but a team of 4 cyclists made it
>> OK
>> despite being on "kid's toys". :-)
>>
>> Well done, lads.
>
> Did they go via Gloucester?

It would seem so.
The road route via Gloucester is 220 miles or so on Autoroute (in green) and
the sea trip is around 240 miles shown here (in black), so it was a fair
contest.

http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/3555/newpa1.jpg

Before anyone takes that too literally, they would not have used the M5, but
nearby roads which amounted to more or less the same type of route.

--
Simon Mason
http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/

[Simon Mason]

"Mrcheerful" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Simon Mason" > wrote in message
> . uk...
>>
>> "Mrcheerful" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>All in all as pointless as a Top Gear challenge.
>>
>> Since it did not have the outcome that you wished - like the Top Gear
>> challenge :-)
> no comment about your lies about the route then?
>

Dealt with, along with your lies about the sea trip being "something like
300 miles minimum".

--
Simon Mason
http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/

[Mr Pounder]

"Marc" > wrote in message
...
> On 14/11/2010 15:30, Mr Pounder wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 14/11/2010 13:51, Simon Mason wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> and they rode through 100 mph winds too?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Of course; they cycled the same route as the warship, albeit on land.
>>>> I monitored the conditions that night on http://www.xcweather.co.uk and
>>>> the wind speeds were similar magnitudes as monitored by sea buoys or
>>>> airport data.
>>>>
>>>> 80 - 100 mph winds were commonly seen all over the SW that night.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Cardiff isn't in the SW.
>>
>> Yes it is.
>
> How would you prefer to be proved wrong?

Argggggg
There is a Collie Cardiff in Western Australia and another one in
Gloucestershire.
There will be more.
You finally have me.
I'm beaten, in disgrace, finally proved wrong.
Will you show me a little mercy if I post here again?

Mr Pounder


>

[JNugent[_7_]]

On 14/11/2010 18:20, Simon Mason wrote:

> "Mrcheerful" > wrote:
>> "Simon Mason" > wrote
>>> "Mrcheerful" > wrote:

>>>> All in all as pointless as a Top Gear challenge.

>>> Since it did not have the outcome that you wished - like the Top Gear
>>> challenge :-)

>> no comment about your lies about the route then?

> Dealt with, along with your lies about the sea trip being "something like 300
> miles minimum".

Looking at the map (and its scale), 300 miles by sea from Plymouth to Cardiff
does not seem at all excessive. Much would depend on what exact route a
warship has to take.

[Simon Mason]

"JNugent" > wrote in message
...
> On 14/11/2010 18:20, Simon Mason wrote:
>
>> "Mrcheerful" > wrote:
>>> "Simon Mason" > wrote
>>>> "Mrcheerful" > wrote:
>
>>>>> All in all as pointless as a Top Gear challenge.
>
>>>> Since it did not have the outcome that you wished - like the Top Gear
>>>> challenge :-)
>
>>> no comment about your lies about the route then?
>
>> Dealt with, along with your lies about the sea trip being "something like
>> 300
>> miles minimum".
>
> Looking at the map (and its scale), 300 miles by sea from Plymouth to
> Cardiff does not seem at all excessive. Much would depend on what exact
> route a warship has to take.

Look at the mileage counter next to the figure 4 which represents Cardiff -
it reads 238 miles.

http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/3555/newpa1.jpg


--
Simon Mason
http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/

[roger merriman]

Marc > wrote:

> On 14/11/2010 17:29, Roger Merriman wrote:
> > Simon > wrote:
> >
> >> "Roger > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> Simon > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> A big battleship sailing from Plymouth to Cardiff was delayed from
> >>>> reaching
> >>>> its destination due to scary high winds, but a team of 4 cyclists made it
> >>>> OK
> >>>> despite being on "kid's toys". :-)
> >>>>
> >>>> Well done, lads.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> what battleship?
> >>>
> >>> HMS Monmouth is a long long way from being a battleship.
> >>>
> >>> Roger
> >>> --
> >>
> >> My mistake - it is only a 5000 tonne frigate with a top speed of 28 knots.
> >
> > as apposed to a 50,000 tonne ship? Don't get me wrong your not the only
> > person to use the term this way, bbc did the other day...
> >
> > But it's lazy language.
> >
> > Roger
> Are there any Battleships any more?

there are a few as museum ships, none in service there last gasp was
WW2. america kept the Iowa class off and on for many years, the last
being Decommissioned in 2006.

the reason they where kept for so long seems to be partly congress love
of them and while these are very old and obsolete the main guns have
serious pentration, hardened bunkers etc, can be breached etc.

Roger
--
www.rogermerriman.com

[Marc[_5_]]

On 14/11/2010 18:21, Mr Pounder wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 14/11/2010 15:30, Mr Pounder wrote:
>>> > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 14/11/2010 13:51, Simon Mason wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and they rode through 100 mph winds too?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course; they cycled the same route as the warship, albeit on land.
>>>>> I monitored the conditions that night on http://www.xcweather.co.uk and
>>>>> the wind speeds were similar magnitudes as monitored by sea buoys or
>>>>> airport data.
>>>>>
>>>>> 80 - 100 mph winds were commonly seen all over the SW that night.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Cardiff isn't in the SW.
>>>
>>> Yes it is.
>>
>> How would you prefer to be proved wrong?
>
> Argggggg
> There is a Collie Cardiff in Western Australia and another one in
> Gloucestershire.
> There will be more.

No need of more, the original was enough.

> You finally have me.
> I'm beaten, in disgrace, finally proved wrong.

Not finally, again. You were wrong about your laughable claim that
concerned 2 miles of sightline and a white line.

> Will you show me a little mercy if I post here again?

[Mrcheerful[_2_]]

"Simon Mason" > wrote in message
...
>
> "JNugent" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 14/11/2010 18:20, Simon Mason wrote:
>>
>>> "Mrcheerful" > wrote:
>>>> "Simon Mason" > wrote
>>>>> "Mrcheerful" > wrote:
>>
>>>>>> All in all as pointless as a Top Gear challenge.
>>
>>>>> Since it did not have the outcome that you wished - like the Top Gear
>>>>> challenge :-)
>>
>>>> no comment about your lies about the route then?
>>
>>> Dealt with, along with your lies about the sea trip being "something
>>> like 300
>>> miles minimum".
>>
>> Looking at the map (and its scale), 300 miles by sea from Plymouth to
>> Cardiff does not seem at all excessive. Much would depend on what exact
>> route a warship has to take.
>
> Look at the mileage counter next to the figure 4 which represents
> Cardiff - it reads 238 miles.
>
> http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/3555/newpa1.jpg
>
>
> --
> Simon Mason
> http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/
>

I note that the picture you show takes the warship over land masses, so I
would have to query it's accuracy. Google earth shows it as nearer 300
and why did the cyclists not go around the coast then? (hint: because it
would be something like 400 miles)

or are you talking about nautical miles? (238 nm equals 273 land miles)

[Mrcheerful[_2_]]

"Simon Mason" > wrote in message
. uk...
>
> "Roger Merriman" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Simon Mason > wrote:
>>
>>> A big battleship sailing from Plymouth to Cardiff was delayed from
>>> reaching
>>> its destination due to scary high winds, but a team of 4 cyclists made
>>> it OK
>>> despite being on "kid's toys". :-)
>>>
>>> Well done, lads.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> what battleship?
>>
>> HMS Monmouth is a long long way from being a battleship.
>>
>> Roger
>> --
>
> My mistake - it is only a 5000 tonne frigate with a top speed of 28 knots.
>
> --
> Simon Mason
> http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/
>

so it has a speed equal to a cycle (less for long periods) and it has to
travel further, is it any wonder it took longer especially given the
conditions and the desire to avoid risk to a crew and a multi billion pound
port.

[Simon Mason]

"Roger Merriman" > wrote in message
...
>
> there are a few as museum ships, none in service there last gasp was
> WW2. america kept the Iowa class off and on for many years, the last
> being Decommissioned in 2006.
>
> the reason they where kept for so long seems to be partly congress love
> of them and while these are very old and obsolete the main guns have
> serious pentration, hardened bunkers etc, can be breached etc.

Do *you* have a qualification in the English language?

--
Simon Mason
http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/

[Marc[_5_]]

On 14/11/2010 18:39, Roger Merriman wrote:
> > wrote:
>
>> On 14/11/2010 17:29, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>> Simon > wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Roger > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Simon > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> A big battleship sailing from Plymouth to Cardiff was delayed from
>>>>>> reaching
>>>>>> its destination due to scary high winds, but a team of 4 cyclists made it
>>>>>> OK
>>>>>> despite being on "kid's toys". :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well done, lads.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> what battleship?
>>>>>
>>>>> HMS Monmouth is a long long way from being a battleship.
>>>>>
>>>>> Roger
>>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> My mistake - it is only a 5000 tonne frigate with a top speed of 28 knots.
>>>
>>> as apposed to a 50,000 tonne ship? Don't get me wrong your not the only
>>> person to use the term this way, bbc did the other day...
>>>
>>> But it's lazy language.
>>>
>>> Roger
>> Are there any Battleships any more?
>
> there are a few as museum ships, none in service there last gasp was
> WW2. america kept the Iowa class off and on for many years, the last
> being Decommissioned in 2006.
>
> the reason they where kept for so long seems to be partly congress love
> of them and while these are very old and obsolete the main guns have
> serious pentration, hardened bunkers etc, can be breached etc.
>

Possibly the reason that HMS Belfast's A turret's guns are trained on
Scratchwood Services?

[Mr Pounder]

"Marc" > wrote in message
...
> On 14/11/2010 18:21, Mr Pounder wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 14/11/2010 15:30, Mr Pounder wrote:
>>>> > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 14/11/2010 13:51, Simon Mason wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and they rode through 100 mph winds too?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course; they cycled the same route as the warship, albeit on land.
>>>>>> I monitored the conditions that night on http://www.xcweather.co.uk
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> the wind speeds were similar magnitudes as monitored by sea buoys or
>>>>>> airport data.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 80 - 100 mph winds were commonly seen all over the SW that night.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Cardiff isn't in the SW.
>>>>
>>>> Yes it is.
>>>
>>> How would you prefer to be proved wrong?
>>
>> Argggggg
>> There is a Collie Cardiff in Western Australia and another one in
>> Gloucestershire.
>> There will be more.
>
> No need of more, the original was enough.
>
>> You finally have me.
>> I'm beaten, in disgrace, finally proved wrong.
>
> Not finally, again. You were wrong about your laughable claim that
> concerned 2 miles of sightline and a white line.

Must you put the boot in?
Can you not show me a bit of compassion?

Mr Pounder

>

[JNugent[_7_]]

On 14/11/2010 18:32, Simon Mason wrote:
>
> "JNugent" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 14/11/2010 18:20, Simon Mason wrote:
>>
>>> "Mrcheerful" > wrote:
>>>> "Simon Mason" > wrote
>>>>> "Mrcheerful" > wrote:
>>
>>>>>> All in all as pointless as a Top Gear challenge.
>>
>>>>> Since it did not have the outcome that you wished - like the Top Gear
>>>>> challenge :-)
>>
>>>> no comment about your lies about the route then?
>>
>>> Dealt with, along with your lies about the sea trip being "something like 300
>>> miles minimum".
>>
>> Looking at the map (and its scale), 300 miles by sea from Plymouth to
>> Cardiff does not seem at all excessive. Much would depend on what exact
>> route a warship has to take.
>
> Look at the mileage counter next to the figure 4 which represents Cardiff -
> it reads 238 miles.
>
> http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/3555/newpa1.jpg

Is it actually necessary to point out that ship could not take that route?

[Simon Mason]

"Mrcheerful" > wrote in message
...
>
> I note that the picture you show takes the warship over land masses, so I
> would have to query it's accuracy. Google earth shows it as nearer 300
> and why did the cyclists not go around the coast then? (hint: because it
> would be something like 400 miles)
>
> or are you talking about nautical miles? (238 nm equals 273 land miles)

Autoroute only deals with statute miles - it is designed for calculating
road distances, but the measuring tool works over land and sea. As you can,
see the famous Dover to Cap Griz Nez route which is about 21 miles is
measured correctly, so there is no reason to believe its 240 miles or so for
the sea trip is inaccurate (it does not go over "land masses" either).

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/8716/newpa2.jpg

--
Simon Mason
http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/

[JNugent[_7_]]

On 14/11/2010 19:22, Simon Mason wrote:

> "Mrcheerful" > wrote:

>> I note that the picture you show takes the warship over land masses, so I
>> would have to query it's accuracy. Google earth shows it as nearer 300
>> and why did the cyclists not go around the coast then? (hint: because it
>> would be something like 400 miles)

>> or are you talking about nautical miles? (238 nm equals 273 land miles)

> Autoroute only deals with statute miles - it is designed for calculating road
> distances, but the measuring tool works over land and sea. As you can, see
> the famous Dover to Cap Griz Nez route which is about 21 miles is measured
> correctly, so there is no reason to believe its 240 miles or so for the sea
> trip is inaccurate (it does not go over "land masses" either).

> http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/8716/newpa2.jpg

A warship would not take the route you indicate. No doubt a dinghy could do
something close to it.

At one point, your route does pass over a headland.

[roger merriman]

Simon Mason > wrote:

> "Roger Merriman" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > there are a few as museum ships, none in service there last gasp was
> > WW2. america kept the Iowa class off and on for many years, the last
> > being Decommissioned in 2006.
> >
> > the reason they where kept for so long seems to be partly congress love
> > of them and while these are very old and obsolete the main guns have
> > serious pentration, hardened bunkers etc, can be breached etc.
>
> Do *you* have a qualification in the English language?

no the exact opposite, a number of Staments of Special Needs.

Roger
--
www.rogermerriman.com

[Simon Mason]

"JNugent" > wrote in message
...
> On 14/11/2010 19:22, Simon Mason wrote:
>
>> "Mrcheerful" > wrote:
>
>>> I note that the picture you show takes the warship over land masses, so
>>> I
>>> would have to query it's accuracy. Google earth shows it as nearer 300
>>> and why did the cyclists not go around the coast then? (hint: because it
>>> would be something like 400 miles)
>
>>> or are you talking about nautical miles? (238 nm equals 273 land miles)
>
>> Autoroute only deals with statute miles - it is designed for calculating
>> road
>> distances, but the measuring tool works over land and sea. As you can,
>> see
>> the famous Dover to Cap Griz Nez route which is about 21 miles is
>> measured
>> correctly, so there is no reason to believe its 240 miles or so for the
>> sea
>> trip is inaccurate (it does not go over "land masses" either).
>
>> http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/8716/newpa2.jpg
>
> A warship would not take the route you indicate. No doubt a dinghy could
> do something close to it.

Not so. The Rosslare - Cherbourg ferry rounds Land's End in much the same
way as my diagram and it is bigger than the frigate.

http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/5339/newpa2j.jpg

> At one point, your route does pass over a headland.

I did it freehand. Missing the headland makes little difference, certainly
not 60 miles.

--
Simon Mason
http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/

[JNugent[_7_]]

On 14/11/2010 20:04, Simon Mason wrote:
>
> "JNugent" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 14/11/2010 19:22, Simon Mason wrote:
>>
>>> "Mrcheerful" > wrote:
>>
>>>> I note that the picture you show takes the warship over land masses, so I
>>>> would have to query it's accuracy. Google earth shows it as nearer 300
>>>> and why did the cyclists not go around the coast then? (hint: because it
>>>> would be something like 400 miles)
>>
>>>> or are you talking about nautical miles? (238 nm equals 273 land miles)
>>
>>> Autoroute only deals with statute miles - it is designed for calculating road
>>> distances, but the measuring tool works over land and sea. As you can, see
>>> the famous Dover to Cap Griz Nez route which is about 21 miles is measured
>>> correctly, so there is no reason to believe its 240 miles or so for the sea
>>> trip is inaccurate (it does not go over "land masses" either).
>>
>>> http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/8716/newpa2.jpg
>>
>> A warship would not take the route you indicate. No doubt a dinghy could do
>> something close to it.

> Not so. The Rosslare - Cherbourg ferry rounds Land's End in much the same way
> as my diagram and it is bigger than the frigate.

What, right up against the beach?

> http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/5339/newpa2j.jpg
>> At one point, your route does pass over a headland.

> I did it freehand. Missing the headland makes little difference, certainly
> not 60 miles.

But can a warship pass that close to land at all?

[JMS]

On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 18:41:14 +0000, Marc > wrote:

<snip>



>Not finally, again. You were wrong about your laughable claim that
>concerned 2 miles of sightline and a white line.


You're an argumentative little ****er over trivia aren't you.

Is that all you can manage?

You have absolutely no idea what the white line situation was on a
particular road years ago - perhaps even before double white lines.
were introduced; or do you think they have "always" been there?

[Simon Mason]

"JNugent" > wrote in message
...
>
>> Not so. The Rosslare - Cherbourg ferry rounds Land's End in much the same
>> way
>> as my diagram and it is bigger than the frigate.
>
> What, right up against the beach?

It makes hardly any difference see:
Even a supertanker could sail this route.

http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/3555/newpa1.jpg

Still nowhere near "300 miles minimum".

--
Simon Mason
http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/

[JNugent[_7_]]

On 14/11/2010 20:32, Simon Mason wrote:

> "JNugent" > wrote:

>>> Not so. The Rosslare - Cherbourg ferry rounds Land's End in much the same way
>>> as my diagram and it is bigger than the frigate.

>> What, right up against the beach?

> It makes hardly any difference see:
> Even a supertanker could sail this route.

> http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/3555/newpa1.jpg

> Still nowhere near "300 miles minimum".

I don't think a warship would sail right up against the rocks as your line
indicates.

I'd be surprised if a ferry does it either.

[Tom Crispin[_4_]]

On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 20:45:40 +0000, JNugent >
wrote:

>On 14/11/2010 20:32, Simon Mason wrote:
>
>> "JNugent" > wrote:
>
>>>> Not so. The Rosslare - Cherbourg ferry rounds Land's End in much the same way
>>>> as my diagram and it is bigger than the frigate.
>
>>> What, right up against the beach?
>
>> It makes hardly any difference see:
>> Even a supertanker could sail this route.
>
>> http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/3555/newpa1.jpg
>
>> Still nowhere near "300 miles minimum".
>
>I don't think a warship would sail right up against the rocks as your line
>indicates.
>
>I'd be surprised if a ferry does it either.

But which crosses more Meridian Lines? The cyclists or the frigate?

[JNugent[_7_]]

On 14/11/2010 21:02, Tom Crispin wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 20:45:40 +0000, >
> wrote:
>
>> On 14/11/2010 20:32, Simon Mason wrote:
>>
>>> > wrote:
>>
>>>>> Not so. The Rosslare - Cherbourg ferry rounds Land's End in much the same way
>>>>> as my diagram and it is bigger than the frigate.
>>
>>>> What, right up against the beach?
>>
>>> It makes hardly any difference see:
>>> Even a supertanker could sail this route.
>>
>>> http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/3555/newpa1.jpg
>>
>>> Still nowhere near "300 miles minimum".
>>
>> I don't think a warship would sail right up against the rocks as your line
>> indicates.
>>
>> I'd be surprised if a ferry does it either.
>
> But which crosses more Meridian Lines? The cyclists or the frigate?

Have you ever heard of the Torrey Canyon?

[Adam Lea[_3_]]

On 14/11/10 20:32, Simon Mason wrote:
>
> "JNugent" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>> Not so. The Rosslare - Cherbourg ferry rounds Land's End in much the
>>> same way
>>> as my diagram and it is bigger than the frigate.
>>
>> What, right up against the beach?
>
> It makes hardly any difference see:
> Even a supertanker could sail this route.
>
> http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/3555/newpa1.jpg
>

Surely in high winds they would be sailing somewhat further from Lands
End than your diagram suggests?

[Mr Pounder]

"JMS" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 18:41:14 +0000, Marc > wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>
>
>>Not finally, again. You were wrong about your laughable claim that
>>concerned 2 miles of sightline and a white line.
>
>
> You're an argumentative little ****er over trivia aren't you.
>
> Is that all you can manage?
>
> You have absolutely no idea what the white line situation was on a
> particular road years ago - perhaps even before double white lines.
> were introduced; or do you think they have "always" been there?

He is kicking my arse JMS!
After all of these years of winning arguments on the internet I have finally
met my match.
This is a very clever man.

Mr Pounder


>
>

[Just zis Guy, you know?[_33_]]

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Yes, JMS "wins" arguments the same way, by keeping on and on until
everyone else has died of old age opr lost interest.

And funnily enough she, too, thinks that this makes her right.

You're a perfect match. Think of the cash you've just saved at
www.theuglybugball.com!

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[NM]

On Nov 14, 6:10*pm, "Simon Mason" >
wrote:
> "JNugent" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > On 14/11/2010 12:55, Simon Mason wrote:
>
> >> A big battleship sailing from Plymouth to Cardiff was delayed from
> >> reaching
> >> its destination due to scary high winds, but a team of 4 cyclists made it
> >> OK
> >> despite being on "kid's toys". :-)
>
> >> Well done, lads.
>
> > Did they go via Gloucester?
>
> It would seem so.
> The road route via Gloucester is 220 miles or so on Autoroute (in green) and
> the sea trip is around 240 miles shown here (in black), so it was a fair
> contest.
>
> http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/3555/newpa1.jpg
>
> Before anyone takes that too literally, they would not have used the M5, but
> nearby roads which amounted to more or less the same type of route.
>
> --
> Simon Masonhttp://www.simonmason.karoo.net/

Last time I came from S Wales to Cornwall on a 50cc scooter I crossed
the Severn by the original bridge, it has a cycle/moped path running
alongside it also the crossing at Avonmouth has a cycle track running
alongside the M5, this will cut the distance down by about 80 miles.

HMG no longer run battleships, what vessle are we really talking about?

[NM]

On Nov 14, 6:54*pm, Marc > wrote:
> On 14/11/2010 18:39, Roger Merriman wrote:
>
>
>
> > > *wrote:
>
> >> On 14/11/2010 17:29, Roger Merriman wrote:
> >>> Simon > * wrote:
>
> >>>> "Roger > * wrote in message
> ...
> >>>>> Simon > * wrote:
>
> >>>>>> A big battleship sailing from Plymouth to Cardiff was delayed from
> >>>>>> reaching
> >>>>>> its destination due to scary high winds, but a team of 4 cyclists made it
> >>>>>> OK
> >>>>>> despite being on "kid's toys". :-)
>
> >>>>>> Well done, lads.
>
> >>>>> what battleship?
>
> >>>>> HMS Monmouth is a long long way from being a battleship.
>
> >>>>> Roger
> >>>>> --
>
> >>>> My mistake - it is only a 5000 tonne frigate with a top speed of 28 knots.
>
> >>> as apposed to a 50,000 tonne ship? Don't get me wrong your not the only
> >>> person to use the term this way, bbc did the other day...
>
> >>> But it's lazy language.
>
> >>> Roger
> >> Are there any Battleships any more?
>
> > there are a few as museum ships, none in service there last gasp was
> > WW2. america kept the Iowa class off and on for many years, the last
> > being Decommissioned in 2006.
>
> > the reason they where kept for so long seems to be partly congress love
> > of them and while these are very old and obsolete the main guns have
> > serious pentration, hardened bunkers etc, can be breached etc.
>
> Possibly the reason that HMS Belfast's A turret's guns are trained on
> Scratchwood Services?

When I was in HM Dockyard Devonport we had HMS Lion in for repairs,
some apprentices, loafing off, managed to put a round of the main
armament that someone had left up the spout into Bodmin Moor. HMS
Belfast should do a better distance than Scratchwood.

[NM]

On Nov 14, 7:22*pm, "Simon Mason" >
wrote:
> "Mrcheerful" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > I note that the picture you show takes the warship over land masses, so I
> > would have to query it's accuracy. *Google earth shows it as nearer 300
> > and why did the cyclists not go around the coast then? *(hint: because it
> > would be something like 400 miles)
>
> > or are you talking about nautical miles? *(238 nm equals 273 land miles)
>
> Autoroute only deals with statute miles - it is designed for calculating
> road distances, but the measuring tool works over land and sea. As you can,
> see the famous Dover to Cap Griz Nez route which is about 21 miles is
> measured correctly, so there is no reason to believe its 240 miles or so for
> the sea trip is inaccurate (it does not go over "land masses" either).
>
> http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/8716/newpa2.jpg
>
> --
> Simon Masonhttp://www.simonmason.karoo.net/

There are separation channels around the Lizard and past the Long
ships lighthouse and some traffic lanes in the Bristol Channel none of
which you have accounted for.

[NM]

On Nov 14, 8:04*pm, "Simon Mason" >
wrote:
> "JNugent" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > On 14/11/2010 19:22, Simon Mason wrote:
>
> >> "Mrcheerful" > wrote:
>
> >>> I note that the picture you show takes the warship over land masses, so
> >>> I
> >>> would have to query it's accuracy. Google earth shows it as nearer 300
> >>> and why did the cyclists not go around the coast then? (hint: because it
> >>> would be something like 400 miles)
>
> >>> or are you talking about nautical miles? (238 nm equals 273 land miles)
>
> >> Autoroute only deals with statute miles - it is designed for calculating
> >> road
> >> distances, but the measuring tool works over land and sea. As you can,
> >> see
> >> the famous Dover to Cap Griz Nez route which is about 21 miles is
> >> measured
> >> correctly, so there is no reason to believe its 240 miles or so for the
> >> sea
> >> trip is inaccurate (it does not go over "land masses" either).
>
> >>http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/8716/newpa2.jpg
>
> > A warship would not take the route you indicate. No doubt a dinghy could
> > do something close to it.
>
> Not so. The Rosslare - Cherbourg ferry rounds Land's End in much the same
> way as my diagram and it is bigger than the frigate.
>
> http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/5339/newpa2j.jpg
>
> > At one point, your route does pass over a headland.
>
> I did it freehand. Missing the headland makes little difference, certainly
> not 60 miles.
>
> --
> Simon Masonhttp://www.simonmason.karoo.net/

I'm glad you don't drive any ship I'm likely to be on, sadly and
worse, you could be driving one I encounter.

[NM]

On Nov 14, 8:07*pm, JNugent > wrote:
> On 14/11/2010 20:04, Simon Mason wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "JNugent" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> On 14/11/2010 19:22, Simon Mason wrote:
>
> >>> "Mrcheerful" > wrote:
>
> >>>> I note that the picture you show takes the warship over land masses, so I
> >>>> would have to query it's accuracy. Google earth shows it as nearer 300
> >>>> and why did the cyclists not go around the coast then? (hint: because it
> >>>> would be something like 400 miles)
>
> >>>> or are you talking about nautical miles? (238 nm equals 273 land miles)
>
> >>> Autoroute only deals with statute miles - it is designed for calculating road
> >>> distances, but the measuring tool works over land and sea. As you can, see
> >>> the famous Dover to Cap Griz Nez route which is about 21 miles is measured
> >>> correctly, so there is no reason to believe its 240 miles or so for the sea
> >>> trip is inaccurate (it does not go over "land masses" either).
>
> >>>http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/8716/newpa2.jpg
>
> >> A warship would not take the route you indicate. No doubt a dinghy could do
> >> something close to it.
> > Not so. The Rosslare - Cherbourg ferry rounds Land's End in much the same way
> > as my diagram and it is bigger than the frigate.
>
> What, right up against the beach?
>
> >http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/5339/newpa2j.jpg
> >> At one point, your route does pass over a headland.
> > I did it freehand. Missing the headland makes little difference, certainly
> > not 60 miles.
>
> But can a warship pass that close to land at all?

We had a warship in here the other day it passed within one foot of
the land.

[NM]

On Nov 14, 8:32*pm, "Simon Mason" >
wrote:

>
> It makes hardly any difference see:
> Even a supertanker could sail this route.



No it couldn't. at least not legally.

[NM]

On Nov 14, 9:13*pm, Adam Lea > wrote:
> On 14/11/10 20:32, Simon Mason wrote:
>
>
>
> > "JNugent" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> >>> Not so. The Rosslare - Cherbourg ferry rounds Land's End in much the
> >>> same way
> >>> as my diagram and it is bigger than the frigate.
>
> >> What, right up against the beach?
>
> > It makes hardly any difference see:
> > Even a supertanker could sail this route.
>
> >http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/3555/newpa1.jpg
>
> Surely in high winds they would be sailing somewhat further from Lands
> End than your diagram suggests?

There are separation lanes, a minor fact he's totally ignoring.

[Tom Crispin[_4_]]

On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 21:04:47 +0000, JNugent >
wrote:

>On 14/11/2010 21:02, Tom Crispin wrote:
>> On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 20:45:40 +0000, >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 14/11/2010 20:32, Simon Mason wrote:
>>>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Not so. The Rosslare - Cherbourg ferry rounds Land's End in much the same way
>>>>>> as my diagram and it is bigger than the frigate.
>>>
>>>>> What, right up against the beach?
>>>
>>>> It makes hardly any difference see:
>>>> Even a supertanker could sail this route.
>>>
>>>> http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/3555/newpa1.jpg
>>>
>>>> Still nowhere near "300 miles minimum".
>>>
>>> I don't think a warship would sail right up against the rocks as your line
>>> indicates.
>>>
>>> I'd be surprised if a ferry does it either.
>>
>> But which crosses more Meridian Lines? The cyclists or the frigate?
>
>Have you ever heard of the Torrey Canyon?

What has the Torrey Canyon to do with meridian lines. Did it crash
into one before gushing forth its oil?

[Alex Potter]

On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 12:55:04 +0000, Simon Mason wrote:

> A big battleship

<pedant>
Type 23 Frigate
</pedant>

--
Alex

[JNugent[_7_]]

On 14/11/2010 23:16, Tom Crispin wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 21:04:47 +0000, >
> wrote:
>
>> On 14/11/2010 21:02, Tom Crispin wrote:
>>> On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 20:45:40 +0000, >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 14/11/2010 20:32, Simon Mason wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> Not so. The Rosslare - Cherbourg ferry rounds Land's End in much the same way
>>>>>>> as my diagram and it is bigger than the frigate.
>>>>
>>>>>> What, right up against the beach?
>>>>
>>>>> It makes hardly any difference see:
>>>>> Even a supertanker could sail this route.
>>>>
>>>>> http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/3555/newpa1.jpg
>>>>
>>>>> Still nowhere near "300 miles minimum".
>>>>
>>>> I don't think a warship would sail right up against the rocks as your line
>>>> indicates.
>>>>
>>>> I'd be surprised if a ferry does it either.
>>>
>>> But which crosses more Meridian Lines? The cyclists or the frigate?
>>
>> Have you ever heard of the Torrey Canyon?
>
> What has the Torrey Canyon to do with meridian lines. Did it crash
> into one before gushing forth its oil?

Are you feeling alright?

[Tom Crispin[_4_]]

On Mon, 15 Nov 2010 03:03:12 +0000, JNugent >
wrote:

>On 14/11/2010 23:16, Tom Crispin wrote:
>> On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 21:04:47 +0000, >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 14/11/2010 21:02, Tom Crispin wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 20:45:40 +0000, >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 14/11/2010 20:32, Simon Mason wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not so. The Rosslare - Cherbourg ferry rounds Land's End in much the same way
>>>>>>>> as my diagram and it is bigger than the frigate.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> What, right up against the beach?
>>>>>
>>>>>> It makes hardly any difference see:
>>>>>> Even a supertanker could sail this route.
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/3555/newpa1.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>>> Still nowhere near "300 miles minimum".
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think a warship would sail right up against the rocks as your line
>>>>> indicates.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd be surprised if a ferry does it either.
>>>>
>>>> But which crosses more Meridian Lines? The cyclists or the frigate?
>>>
>>> Have you ever heard of the Torrey Canyon?
>>
>> What has the Torrey Canyon to do with meridian lines. Did it crash
>> into one before gushing forth its oil?
>
>Are you feeling alright?

Yes, apart from some mild back discomfort, quite alright.

Now, about my earlier question?

[Simon Mason]

"NM" > wrote in message
...
On Nov 14, 6:10 pm, "Simon Mason" >
wrote:
> "JNugent" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > On 14/11/2010 12:55, Simon Mason wrote:
>
> >> A big battleship sailing from Plymouth to Cardiff was delayed from
> >> reaching
> >> its destination due to scary high winds, but a team of 4 cyclists made
> >> it
> >> OK
> >> despite being on "kid's toys". :-)
>
> >> Well done, lads.
>
> > Did they go via Gloucester?
>
> It would seem so.
> The road route via Gloucester is 220 miles or so on Autoroute (in green)
> and
> the sea trip is around 240 miles shown here (in black), so it was a fair
> contest.
>
> http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/3555/newpa1.jpg
>
> Before anyone takes that too literally, they would not have used the M5,
> but
> nearby roads which amounted to more or less the same type of route.
>
>

>Last time I came from S Wales to Cornwall on a 50cc scooter I crossed
>the Severn by the original bridge, it has a cycle/moped path running
>alongside it also the crossing at Avonmouth has a cycle track running
>alongside the M5, this will cut the distance down by about 80 miles.

It clearly says the cyclists travelled 221 miles, so they more than likely
went via Gloucester.


--
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[Simon Mason]

"NM" > wrote in message news:6bd6f5db-4abc-4776-8585-.
>
> But can a warship pass that close to land at all?

>We had a warship in here the other day it passed within one foot of
>the land.

We have a 66000 tonne ferry which comes close to land which is quite good as
I like to drive my car onto it. And it is in a river, never mind the English
and Bristol Channels.

--
Simon Mason
http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/

[JMS]

On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 22:38:22 +0000, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
> wrote:

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>
>On 14/11/2010 22:35, Mr Pounder wrote:
>> After all of these years of winning arguments on the internet I have finally
>> met my match.
>
>Yes, JMS "wins" arguments the same way, by keeping on and on until
>everyone else has died of old age opr lost interest.
>
>And funnily enough she, too, thinks that this makes her right.
>
>You're a perfect match. Think of the cash you've just saved at
>www.theuglybugball.com!

Hello Porky

I have challenged you to point out any factual errors I have made in
my posts, and we can discuss them. I may have made mistakes and I
have asked you to point them out and explain why I am wrong.

You of course have not been able to come up with any.

On the other hand you keep making statements which are outright lies.

I challenge *you* to prove your points - and you cannot do so.

This is one reason that you are so despised by people - and not just
me.

Eeeerm let me see - perhaps Judith has a point here.

--

"I have never said that I encourage my children to wear helmets. I would challenge judith
to find the place where I said I encourage my children to wear helmets." Guy Chapman
Judith then produced the web page where he said "I encourage my children to wear helmets."
Later that day Chapman immediately added the following to the web page:
"This page is out of date and preserved only for convenience" but he left the date last updated as 31/08/2004.

[JMS]

On Mon, 15 Nov 2010 06:54:19 +0000, Tom Crispin
> wrote:

<snip>


>>Are you feeling alright?
>
>Yes, apart from some mild back discomfort, quite alright.



Came off your bike did you?


--
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Pedestrian casualties down 3%
Car casualties down 3%
Motorcycle casualties down 6%
Motorcyclists KSI down 6%
Car users KSI down 9%
Pedestrians KSI down 8%

Oh - hang on - there are some missing :

Cyclist casualties up 4%
Cyclist KSI up 1%

[JNugent[_7_]]

On 15/11/2010 06:54, Tom Crispin wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Nov 2010 03:03:12 +0000, >
> wrote:
>
>> On 14/11/2010 23:16, Tom Crispin wrote:
>>> On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 21:04:47 +0000, >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 14/11/2010 21:02, Tom Crispin wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 20:45:40 +0000, >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 14/11/2010 20:32, Simon Mason wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not so. The Rosslare - Cherbourg ferry rounds Land's End in much the same way
>>>>>>>>> as my diagram and it is bigger than the frigate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What, right up against the beach?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It makes hardly any difference see:
>>>>>>> Even a supertanker could sail this route.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/3555/newpa1.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Still nowhere near "300 miles minimum".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think a warship would sail right up against the rocks as your line
>>>>>> indicates.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd be surprised if a ferry does it either.
>>>>>
>>>>> But which crosses more Meridian Lines? The cyclists or the frigate?
>>>>
>>>> Have you ever heard of the Torrey Canyon?
>>>
>>> What has the Torrey Canyon to do with meridian lines. Did it crash
>>> into one before gushing forth its oil?
>>
>> Are you feeling alright?
>
> Yes, apart from some mild back discomfort, quite alright.
>
> Now, about my earlier question?

What was it and what does it mean?

[Marc[_5_]]

On 15/11/2010 12:16, JNugent wrote:
> On 15/11/2010 06:54, Tom Crispin wrote:
>> On Mon, 15 Nov 2010 03:03:12 +0000, >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 14/11/2010 23:16, Tom Crispin wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 21:04:47 +0000, >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 14/11/2010 21:02, Tom Crispin wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 20:45:40 +0000, >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 14/11/2010 20:32, Simon Mason wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not so. The Rosslare - Cherbourg ferry rounds Land's End in
>>>>>>>>>> much the same way
>>>>>>>>>> as my diagram and it is bigger than the frigate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What, right up against the beach?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It makes hardly any difference see:
>>>>>>>> Even a supertanker could sail this route.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/3555/newpa1.jpg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Still nowhere near "300 miles minimum".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't think a warship would sail right up against the rocks as
>>>>>>> your line
>>>>>>> indicates.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd be surprised if a ferry does it either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But which crosses more Meridian Lines? The cyclists or the frigate?
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you ever heard of the Torrey Canyon?
>>>>
>>>> What has the Torrey Canyon to do with meridian lines. Did it crash
>>>> into one before gushing forth its oil?
>>>
>>> Are you feeling alright?
>>
>> Yes, apart from some mild back discomfort, quite alright.
>>
>> Now, about my earlier question?
>
> What was it and what does it mean?
>
You still care????

This is another of those questions where everyone is meant to finally
shrug and declare it unbeatable.

[NM]

On Nov 15, 9:11*am, "Simon Mason" >
wrote:
> "NM" > wrote in message news:6bd6f5db-4abc-4776-8585-.
>
> > But can a warship pass that close to land at all?
> >We had a warship in here the other day it passed within one foot of
> >the land.
>
> We have a 66000 tonne ferry which comes close to land which is quite good as
> I like to drive my car onto it. And it is in a river, never mind the English
> and Bristol Channels.
>
> --
> Simon Masonhttp://www.simonmason.karoo.net/

And?

[Squashme]

On Nov 15, 1:27*am, Alex Potter > wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 12:55:04 +0000, Simon Mason wrote:
> > A big battleship
>
> <pedant>
> Type 23 Frigate
> </pedant>
>
> --
> Alex

Frig-it.

Sorry.

[Simon Mason]

"NM" > wrote in message
...
On Nov 15, 9:11 am, "Simon Mason" >
wrote:
> "NM" > wrote in message news:6bd6f5db-4abc-4776-8585-.
>
> > But can a warship pass that close to land at all?
> >We had a warship in here the other day it passed within one foot of
> >the land.
>
> We have a 66000 tonne ferry which comes close to land which is quite good
> as
> I like to drive my car onto it. And it is in a river, never mind the
> English
> and Bristol Channels.
>
And?

So a poxy little 6000 tonne frigate can easily sail the 240 mile route I
plotted instead of taking 300 miles as some would have it.

--
Simon Mason
http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/

[Tom Crispin[_4_]]

On Mon, 15 Nov 2010 10:57:29 +0000, JMS >
wrote:

>On Mon, 15 Nov 2010 06:54:19 +0000, Tom Crispin
> wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>
>>>Are you feeling alright?
>>
>>Yes, apart from some mild back discomfort, quite alright.
>
>
>
>Came off your bike did you?

No - I suspect that I had a bit of muscle cramp. It has been a minor
annoyance now for three weeks, with it getting better and worse again.
Cycling seems to relive the discomfort. The latest bout came after a
sneeze.

Thanks for your care.

[Mrcheerful[_2_]]

Simon Mason wrote:
> "NM" > wrote in message
> ...
> On Nov 15, 9:11 am, "Simon Mason" >
> wrote:
>> "NM" > wrote in message
>> news:6bd6f5db-4abc-4776-8585-.
>>> But can a warship pass that close to land at all?
>>> We had a warship in here the other day it passed within one foot of
>>> the land.
>>
>> We have a 66000 tonne ferry which comes close to land which is quite
>> good as
>> I like to drive my car onto it. And it is in a river, never mind the
>> English
>> and Bristol Channels.
>>
> And?
>
> So a poxy little 6000 tonne frigate can easily sail the 240 mile
> route I plotted instead of taking 300 miles as some would have it.

it could do it, if the vehicle is amphibious, the land bit is a bit of a
difficult part for the average vessel larger than a canoe.

[NM]

On Nov 15, 9:11*am, "Simon Mason" >
wrote:
> "NM" > wrote in message news:6bd6f5db-4abc-4776-8585-.
>
> > But can a warship pass that close to land at all?
> >We had a warship in here the other day it passed within one foot of
> >the land.
>
> We have a 66000 tonne ferry which comes close to land which is quite good as
> I like to drive my car onto it. And it is in a river, never mind the English
> and Bristol Channels.
>
> --
> Simon Masonhttp://www.simonmason.karoo.net/

Hull / Zeebrugge you mean? terminates in the deep mud of the Humber
estuary just near the town voted as England's worse town ("Ull).
Where is the land it goes near? Once it's cleared the estuary the
course to Zeebrugge is straight forward until the approach of the
Belgian coast.

[Simon Mason]

"NM" > wrote in message
...
On Nov 15, 9:11 am, "Simon Mason" >
wrote:
> "NM" > wrote in message news:6bd6f5db-4abc-4776-8585-.
>
> > But can a warship pass that close to land at all?
> >We had a warship in here the other day it passed within one foot of
> >the land.
>
> We have a 66000 tonne ferry which comes close to land which is quite good
> as
> I like to drive my car onto it. And it is in a river, never mind the
> English
> and Bristol Channels.
>
> --
> Simon Masonhttp://www.simonmason.karoo.net/

Hull / Zeebrugge you mean? terminates in the deep mud of the Humber
estuary just near the town voted as England's worse town ("Ull).
Where is the land it goes near? Once it's cleared the estuary the
course to Zeebrugge is straight forward until the approach of the
Belgian coast.

[NM]

On Nov 15, 3:45*pm, "Simon Mason" >
wrote:
> "NM" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Nov 15, 9:11 am, "Simon Mason" >
> wrote:> "NM" > wrote in message news:6bd6f5db-4abc-4776-8585-.
>
> > > But can a warship pass that close to land at all?
> > >We had a warship in here the other day it passed within one foot of
> > >the land.
>
> > We have a 66000 tonne ferry which comes close to land which is quite good
> > as
> > I like to drive my car onto it. And it is in a river, never mind the
> > English
> > and Bristol Channels.
>
> And?
>
> So a poxy little 6000 tonne frigate can easily sail the 240 mile route I
> plotted instead of taking 300 miles as some would have it.
>
> --
> Simon Masonhttp://www.simonmason.karoo.net/

Really? Are you sure? Can I have the details please?

[NM]

On Nov 15, 5:29*pm, "Mrcheerful" > wrote:
> Simon Mason wrote:
> > "NM" > wrote in message
> ....
> > On Nov 15, 9:11 am, "Simon Mason" >
> > wrote:
> >> "NM" > wrote in message
> >> news:6bd6f5db-4abc-4776-8585-.
> >>> But can a warship pass that close to land at all?
> >>> We had a warship in here the other day it passed within one foot of
> >>> the land.
>
> >> We have a 66000 tonne ferry which comes close to land which is quite
> >> good as
> >> I like to drive my car onto it. And it is in a river, never mind the
> >> English
> >> and Bristol Channels.
>
> > And?
>
> > So a poxy little 6000 tonne frigate can easily sail the 240 mile
> > route I plotted instead of taking 300 miles as some would have it.
>
> it could do it, if the vehicle is amphibious, the land bit is a bit of a
> difficult part for the average vessel larger than a canoe.

Teams of cyclists would hoist it on their shoulders and pedal away
with it.

[Simon Mason]

"NM" > wrote in message
...
On Nov 15, 9:11 am, "Simon Mason" >
wrote:
> "NM" > wrote in message news:6bd6f5db-4abc-4776-8585-.
>
> > But can a warship pass that close to land at all?
> >We had a warship in here the other day it passed within one foot of
> >the land.
>
> We have a 66000 tonne ferry which comes close to land which is quite good
> as
> I like to drive my car onto it. And it is in a river, never mind the
> English
> and Bristol Channels.

>Hull / Zeebrugge you mean? terminates in the deep mud of the Humber
>estuary just near the town voted as England's worse town ("Ull).
>Where is the land it goes near? Once it's cleared the estuary the
>course to Zeebrugge is straight forward until the approach of the
>Belgian coast.

The Hull - Rotterdam ferries are 66000 tonnes. The Zeebrugge ones are
smaller.
When we were having our dinner at 8pm on it, the waiter joked that we would
not be sailing that night as there was not enough water. Sure enough, when
we looked over the side of the ship there was no water visible at all.

BTW, Kingston upon Hull is not a "town".
It has been a city for more than 100 years.

--
Simon Mason
http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/

[Simon Mason]

"NM" > wrote in message
...
On Nov 15, 3:45 pm, "Simon Mason" >
wrote:
> "NM" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Nov 15, 9:11 am, "Simon Mason" >
> wrote:> "NM" > wrote in message
> news:6bd6f5db-4abc-4776-8585-.
>
> > > But can a warship pass that close to land at all?
> > >We had a warship in here the other day it passed within one foot of
> > >the land.
>
> > We have a 66000 tonne ferry which comes close to land which is quite
> > good
> > as
> > I like to drive my car onto it. And it is in a river, never mind the
> > English
> > and Bristol Channels.
>
> And?
>
> So a poxy little 6000 tonne frigate can easily sail the 249 mile route I
> plotted instead of taking 300 miles as some would have it.

>Really? Are you sure? Can I have the details please?

Here you go.

http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/3555/newpa1.jpg


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[NM]

On Nov 15, 6:21*pm, "Simon Mason" >
wrote:
> "NM" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Nov 15, 9:11 am, "Simon Mason" >
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "NM" > wrote in message news:6bd6f5db-4abc-4776-8585-.
>
> > > But can a warship pass that close to land at all?
> > >We had a warship in here the other day it passed within one foot of
> > >the land.
>
> > We have a 66000 tonne ferry which comes close to land which is quite good
> > as
> > I like to drive my car onto it. And it is in a river, never mind the
> > English
> > and Bristol Channels.
> >Hull / Zeebrugge you mean? terminates in the deep mud of the Humber
> >estuary just near the town voted as England's worse town ("Ull).
> >Where is the land it goes near? *Once it's cleared the estuary the
> >course to Zeebrugge is straight forward until the approach of the
> >Belgian coast.
>
> The Hull - Rotterdam ferries are 66000 tonnes. The Zeebrugge ones are
> smaller.
> When we were having our dinner at 8pm on it, the waiter joked that we would
> not be sailing that night as there was not enough water. Sure enough, when
> we looked over the side of the ship there was no water visible at all.
>
> BTW, Kingston upon Hull is not a "town".
> It has been a city for more than 100 years.
>
> --
> Simon Masonhttp://www.simonmason.karoo.net/

Having had the pleasure of running aground or should that be amud in
the Humber estuary I'm not in the least surprised that there can be
insufficient water on occasions for the ferries.I berthed at the
Marina in Hull and I had to wait for a slot in the tide for there to
be sufficient water for them to open the lock gate. This type of
boating has very little to do with planning and executing a voyage.
Luckily those big ferries are flat bottomed so can perch on the silt
with no ill effects. Bit different round here because we have things
like rocks and severe tidal ranges.

Kingston on Hull may be a city but it's still been voted the worst
place in England to live.

[NM]

On Nov 15, 6:27*pm, "Simon Mason" >
wrote:
> "NM" > wrote in message
>
> ....
> On Nov 15, 3:45 pm, "Simon Mason" >
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "NM" > wrote in message
>
> ....
> > On Nov 15, 9:11 am, "Simon Mason" >
> > wrote:> "NM" > wrote in message
> > news:6bd6f5db-4abc-4776-8585-.
>
> > > > But can a warship pass that close to land at all?
> > > >We had a warship in here the other day it passed within one foot of
> > > >the land.
>
> > > We have a 66000 tonne ferry which comes close to land which is quite
> > > good
> > > as
> > > I like to drive my car onto it. And it is in a river, never mind the
> > > English
> > > and Bristol Channels.
>
> > And?
>
> > So a poxy little 6000 tonne frigate can easily sail the 249 mile route I
> > plotted instead of taking 300 miles as some would have it.
> >Really? Are you sure? Can I have the details please?
>
> Here you go.
>
> http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/3555/newpa1.jpg
>
> --
> Simon Masonhttp://www.simonmason.karoo.net/

Nonsense, just shows you to be a fool.

[Simon Mason]

"NM" > wrote in message
...
On Nov 15, 6:21 pm, "Simon Mason" >

>Kingston on Hull may be a city but it's still been voted the worst
>place in England to live.

By whom?
And by what method?

--
Simon Mason
http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/

[Mrcheerful[_2_]]

Simon Mason wrote:
> "NM" > wrote in message
> ...
> On Nov 15, 6:21 pm, "Simon Mason" >
>
>> Kingston on Hull may be a city but it's still been voted the worst
>> place in England to live.
>
> By whom?
> And by what method?

Google for it. According to Channel Four it is the second worst place to
live. They mention their methodolgy on the site.
http://www.channel4.com/4homes/on-tv/best-and-worst/kingston-upon-hull-2nd-worst-place-to-live-in-the-uk-08-06-06_p_1.html

[Simon Mason]

"Mrcheerful" > wrote in message
...
> Simon Mason wrote:
>> "NM" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> On Nov 15, 6:21 pm, "Simon Mason" >
>>
>>> Kingston on Hull may be a city but it's still been voted the worst
>>> place in England to live.
>>
>> By whom?
>> And by what method?
>
> Google for it. According to Channel Four it is the second worst place to
> live. They mention their methodolgy on the site.
> http://www.channel4.com/4homes/on-tv/best-and-worst/kingston-upon-hull-2nd-worst-place-to-live-in-the-uk-08-06-06_p_1.html


So not in fact "the worst to place to live" then?

Glad to see the smug little slaphead's business went tits up.

Serves him right, little git - that's much of an expert he is :-)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1147582/Location-Location-host-Phil-Spencers-property-firm-goes-bust.html


--
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[Mrcheerful[_2_]]

Simon Mason wrote:
> "Mrcheerful" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Simon Mason wrote:
>>> "NM" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> On Nov 15, 6:21 pm, "Simon Mason" >
>>>
>>>> Kingston on Hull may be a city but it's still been voted the worst
>>>> place in England to live.
>>>
>>> By whom?
>>> And by what method?
>>
>> Google for it. According to Channel Four it is the second worst
>> place to live. They mention their methodolgy on the site.
>> http://www.channel4.com/4homes/on-tv/best-and-worst/kingston-upon-hull-2nd-worst-place-to-live-in-the-uk-08-06-06_p_1.html
>
>
> So not in fact "the worst to place to live" then?

Nit picking again? don't you get bored?

I expect someone, somewhere decided it is the worst place, but channel 4's
second place seemed ample to me.

[JNugent[_7_]]

On 15/11/2010 19:20, Simon Mason wrote:

> "Mrcheerful" > wrote:
>> Simon Mason wrote:
>>> "NM" > wrote:
>>> "Simon Mason" >

>>>> Kingston on Hull may be a city but it's still been voted the worst
>>>> place in England to live.

>>> By whom?
>>> And by what method?

>> Google for it. According to Channel Four it is the second worst place to
>> live. They mention their methodolgy on the site.
>> http://www.channel4.com/4homes/on-tv/best-and-worst/kingston-upon-hull-2nd-worst-place-to-live-in-the-uk-08-06-06_p_1.html

> So not in fact "the worst to place to live" then?

Phew!

What a relief. Hull *isn't* the worst place in England after all. It's just
the second worst place in England. It must be so gratifying to have beaten
Middlesborough.

[Simon Mason]

"JNugent" > wrote in message
...
> On 15/11/2010 19:20, Simon Mason wrote:
>
>> "Mrcheerful" > wrote:
>>> Simon Mason wrote:
>>>> "NM" > wrote:
>>>> "Simon Mason" >
>
>>>>> Kingston on Hull may be a city but it's still been voted the worst
>>>>> place in England to live.
>
>>>> By whom?
>>>> And by what method?
>
>>> Google for it. According to Channel Four it is the second worst place to
>>> live. They mention their methodolgy on the site.
>>> http://www.channel4.com/4homes/on-tv/best-and-worst/kingston-upon-hull-2nd-worst-place-to-live-in-the-uk-08-06-06_p_1.html
>
>> So not in fact "the worst to place to live" then?
>
> Phew!
>
> What a relief. Hull *isn't* the worst place in England after all. It's
> just the second worst place in England. It must be so gratifying to have
> beaten Middlesborough.
>

[Simon Mason]

"JNugent" > wrote in message
...
> On 15/11/2010 19:20, Simon Mason wrote:
>
> What a relief. Hull *isn't* the worst place in England after all. It's
> just the second worst place in England. It must be so gratifying to have
> beaten Middlesborough.
>

It's spelled "Middlesbrough" o' expert in English and Geography.

--
Simon Mason
http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/

[Mrcheerful[_2_]]

Simon Mason wrote:
> "JNugent" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 15/11/2010 19:20, Simon Mason wrote:
>>
>> What a relief. Hull *isn't* the worst place in England after all.
>> It's just the second worst place in England. It must be so
>> gratifying to have beaten Middlesborough.
>>
>
> It's spelled "Middlesbrough" o' expert in English and Geography.

not picking yet again, why? what purpose does it serve you? Did you write
to the Times when they spelt it with the extra O ?
http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/visual_arts/article7148021.ece

it seems likely that it is one of those words that could be spelt either way
at some time in history, and of course there is Middlesborough, Cleveland.

[NM]

On Nov 15, 7:20*pm, "Simon Mason" >
wrote:
> "Mrcheerful" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > Simon Mason wrote:
> >> "NM" > wrote in message
> ....
> >> On Nov 15, 6:21 pm, "Simon Mason" >
>
> >>> Kingston on Hull may be a city but it's still been voted the worst
> >>> place in England to live.
>
> >> By whom?
> >> And by what method?
>
> > Google for it. *According to Channel Four it is the second worst place to
> > live. *They mention their methodolgy on the site.
> >http://www.channel4.com/4homes/on-tv/best-and-worst/kingston-upon-hul...
>
> So not in fact "the worst to place to live" then?
>
> Glad to see the smug little slaphead's business went tits up.
>
> Serves him right, little git - that's much of an expert he is :-)
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1147582/Location-Location-hos...
>
> --
> Simon Masonhttp://www.simonmason.karoo.net/

About seven years ago there was a little stocking filler of a book in
which listed Hull as the worst place, I'm pleased to see it's risen
slightly off the bottom.

[JNugent[_7_]]

On 15/11/2010 19:50, Simon Mason wrote:
>
> "JNugent" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 15/11/2010 19:20, Simon Mason wrote:
>>
>> What a relief. Hull *isn't* the worst place in England after all. It's just
>> the second worst place in England. It must be so gratifying to have beaten
>> Middlesborough.
>>
>
> It's spelled "Middlesbrough" o' expert in English and Geography.

Oh dear... feeling a bit shot at?

[NM]

On Nov 18, 6:13*pm, Phil W Lee > wrote:
> "Simon Mason" > considered Mon, 15 Nov
> 2010 09:06:47 -0000 the perfect time to write:
>
>
>
>
>
> >"NM" > wrote in message
> ....
> >On Nov 14, 6:10 pm, "Simon Mason" >
> >wrote:
> >> "JNugent" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> >> > On 14/11/2010 12:55, Simon Mason wrote:
>
> >> >> A big battleship sailing from Plymouth to Cardiff was delayed from
> >> >> reaching
> >> >> its destination due to scary high winds, but a team of 4 cyclists made
> >> >> it
> >> >> OK
> >> >> despite being on "kid's toys". :-)
>
> >> >> Well done, lads.
>
> >> > Did they go via Gloucester?
>
> >> It would seem so.
> >> The road route via Gloucester is 220 miles or so on Autoroute (in green)
> >> and
> >> the sea trip is around 240 miles shown here (in black), so it was a fair
> >> contest.
>
> >>http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/3555/newpa1.jpg
>
> >> Before anyone takes that too literally, they would not have used the M5,
> >> but
> >> nearby roads which amounted to more or less the same type of route.
>
> >>Last time I came from S Wales *to Cornwall on a 50cc scooter I crossed
> >>the Severn by the original bridge, it has a cycle/moped path running
> >>alongside it also the crossing at Avonmouth has a cycle track running
> >>alongside the M5, this will cut the distance down by about 80 miles.
>
> >It clearly says the cyclists travelled 221 miles, so they more than likely
> >went via Gloucester.
>
> In winds like that, I'd rather doubt if the cycle route over the
> Severn bridge would be open, even if the rest of the bridge was.

Why not, the foot/cycle way is protected by the bridge deck?