Training Cycles Question

[Dave Lee]

Quick history. From an exercise perspective I am mostly either a runner (or
nothing). But back in the 90's I ran into some injury problems and turned
into a road biker (even rode in a couple of Cat IV age group events). But
for a number of reasons that didn't last.

Fast forward 15 years (and maybe more than 15 pounds) I am now neither a
runner or biker (retired and a golfer which I enjoy, but ...). So I need to
get back to a better exercise regime.

When I was biking I spent a goodly amount of time on a traditional sport
club magnetic exercise (upright) bike. So I am considering doing that again
(along with some weight/kettlebell work focused on what will help my golf).
And I am trying to make a 'spinner bike' vs. magnetic resistance bike
decision. I have never been on a spinner, BTW.

From my perspective the spinner is the obvious choice - it is more like a
bike (even though I have no plans to get onto the road again). The only
drawback to this choice is feedback. I am a goal motivated guy and can do
well when I can measure progress - stuff like run my 6 mile route faster,
speed on a road bike, progressive weights when lifting, etc. That works
quite well even with moderately priced magnetic resistance bikes (time and
power). I don't see how I can get this with a spinner as the resistance
level is kind of unknown, although I suppose you could just mark turns on
the resistance knob and assume that the resistance really isn't changing
with wear over time (doubtful).

Comments on this? My budget is not high - maybe $500.

Thanks.

dave

ps. Back in 'the days' the club that I used had Lifecycle upright bikes.
They were really nice in that the 'required power' was speed independent -
you set a level and it took a mostly fixed level of power input to make the
pedals turn no matter what the rpm (within limits). So you could easily
simulate climbing, although as my fitness improved I could max the thing
out. I won't be able to afford a magnetic device that would do that (nor
would even a high end spinner, I assume).

[Anton Berlin]

Sounds like you're looking for better fitness overall and not really
into cycling. Without a cycling specific goal or love of the sport it
will be hard just to have one piece of equipment and use it often
enough to meet your goals.

Probably best to use that money at a health club. It will go
further.

Alternatively you can buy a kettlebell set and after repeatedly
hitting yourself in the head to cause significant brain damage you can
come to RBR and post 'thoughts'. There is least one person that does
that in this forum.

[Dave Lee]

"Anton Berlin" wrote in message
...


>Sounds like you're looking for better fitness overall and not really
>into cycling. Without a cycling specific goal or love of the sport it
>will be hard just to have one piece of equipment and use it often
>enough to meet your goals.

>Probably best to use that money at a health club. It will go
>further.

>Alternatively you can buy a kettlebell set and after repeatedly
>hitting yourself in the head to cause significant brain damage you can
>come to RBR and post 'thoughts'. There is least one person that does
>that in this forum.

Regarding the single device, I can make that work for me. I was into cycling
for about 4 years (work around for my running injuries) and only owned a
bike about half that time. But the sport club is a very poor choice for me
as I won't make the trip, but I will go into the next room (live in a small
area - choices are limited and not that close by). It was perfect for me
while in California as the only way to make my commute manageable was to
leave the house around 4:45 a.m. (50 minute drive with no traffic) and stop
at a sports club near work before starting my day (now retired).

I have just started with kettlebells (they seem to me to be very good core
training devices) and I have not YET hit my head with one. But I have
smashed a $8 plastic digital watch doing cleans with a kettlebell :-)

I would still be interesting in other comments - thanks.

dave

[Mike Jacoubowsky]

"Dave Lee" > wrote in message
m...
> Quick history. From an exercise perspective I am mostly either a
> runner (or nothing). But back in the 90's I ran into some injury
> problems and turned into a road biker (even rode in a couple of Cat IV
> age group events). But for a number of reasons that didn't last.
>
> Fast forward 15 years (and maybe more than 15 pounds) I am now neither
> a runner or biker (retired and a golfer which I enjoy, but ...). So I
> need to get back to a better exercise regime.
>
> When I was biking I spent a goodly amount of time on a traditional
> sport club magnetic exercise (upright) bike. So I am considering doing
> that again (along with some weight/kettlebell work focused on what
> will help my golf). And I am trying to make a 'spinner bike' vs.
> magnetic resistance bike decision. I have never been on a spinner,
> BTW.
>
> From my perspective the spinner is the obvious choice - it is more
> like a bike (even though I have no plans to get onto the road again).
> The only drawback to this choice is feedback. I am a goal motivated
> guy and can do well when I can measure progress - stuff like run my 6
> mile route faster, speed on a road bike, progressive weights when
> lifting, etc. That works quite well even with moderately priced
> magnetic resistance bikes (time and power). I don't see how I can get
> this with a spinner as the resistance level is kind of unknown,
> although I suppose you could just mark turns on the resistance knob
> and assume that the resistance really isn't changing with wear over
> time (doubtful).
>
> Comments on this? My budget is not high - maybe $500.
>
> Thanks.
>
> dave
>
> ps. Back in 'the days' the club that I used had Lifecycle upright
> bikes. They were really nice in that the 'required power' was speed
> independent - you set a level and it took a mostly fixed level of
> power input to make the pedals turn no matter what the rpm (within
> limits). So you could easily simulate climbing, although as my fitness
> improved I could max the thing out. I won't be able to afford a
> magnetic device that would do that (nor would even a high end spinner,
> I assume).

The obvious question is why not simply ride a bike on the road? It's far
more exciting than riding a trainer, and you can use a heart monitor and
your speed to judge your progress. If you've got a hill to climb, even
better. You can also incorporate riding into your daily regime,
commuting to work, running errands, whatever. When we had both of our
shop vehicles die simultaneously, I found it surprising how easily I
could substitute a bike for a car, despite having to haul all sorts of
stuff back and forth from home to work.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com


"Dave Lee" > wrote in message
m...
> Quick history. From an exercise perspective I am mostly either a
> runner (or nothing). But back in the 90's I ran into some injury
> problems and turned into a road biker (even rode in a couple of Cat IV
> age group events). But for a number of reasons that didn't last.
>
> Fast forward 15 years (and maybe more than 15 pounds) I am now neither
> a runner or biker (retired and a golfer which I enjoy, but ...). So I
> need to get back to a better exercise regime.
>
> When I was biking I spent a goodly amount of time on a traditional
> sport club magnetic exercise (upright) bike. So I am considering doing
> that again (along with some weight/kettlebell work focused on what
> will help my golf). And I am trying to make a 'spinner bike' vs.
> magnetic resistance bike decision. I have never been on a spinner,
> BTW.
>
> From my perspective the spinner is the obvious choice - it is more
> like a bike (even though I have no plans to get onto the road again).
> The only drawback to this choice is feedback. I am a goal motivated
> guy and can do well when I can measure progress - stuff like run my 6
> mile route faster, speed on a road bike, progressive weights when
> lifting, etc. That works quite well even with moderately priced
> magnetic resistance bikes (time and power). I don't see how I can get
> this with a spinner as the resistance level is kind of unknown,
> although I suppose you could just mark turns on the resistance knob
> and assume that the resistance really isn't changing with wear over
> time (doubtful).
>
> Comments on this? My budget is not high - maybe $500.
>
> Thanks.
>
> dave
>
> ps. Back in 'the days' the club that I used had Lifecycle upright
> bikes. They were really nice in that the 'required power' was speed
> independent - you set a level and it took a mostly fixed level of
> power input to make the pedals turn no matter what the rpm (within
> limits). So you could easily simulate climbing, although as my fitness
> improved I could max the thing out. I won't be able to afford a
> magnetic device that would do that (nor would even a high end spinner,
> I assume).

[JQ]

On 1/10/2011 9:30 AM, Dave Lee wrote:
>
>
> "Anton Berlin" wrote in message
> ...
>
>
>> Sounds like you're looking for better fitness overall and not really
>> into cycling. Without a cycling specific goal or love of the sport it
>> will be hard just to have one piece of equipment and use it often
>> enough to meet your goals.
>
>> Probably best to use that money at a health club. It will go
>> further.
>
>> Alternatively you can buy a kettlebell set and after repeatedly
>> hitting yourself in the head to cause significant brain damage you can
>> come to RBR and post 'thoughts'. There is least one person that does
>> that in this forum.
>
> Regarding the single device, I can make that work for me. I was into
> cycling for about 4 years (work around for my running injuries) and
> only owned a bike about half that time. But the sport club is a very
> poor choice for me as I won't make the trip, but I will go into the
> next room (live in a small area - choices are limited and not that
> close by). It was perfect for me while in California as the only way
> to make my commute manageable was to leave the house around 4:45 a.m.
> (50 minute drive with no traffic) and stop at a sports club near work
> before starting my day (now retired).
>
> I have just started with kettlebells (they seem to me to be very good
> core training devices) and I have not YET hit my head with one. But I
> have smashed a $8 plastic digital watch doing cleans with a kettlebell
> :-)
>
> I would still be interesting in other comments - thanks.
>
> dave
Dave, if you are as goal orientated as you say give road biking a try.
I am a ex-runner due to major knee injuries started riding back in the
mid to late 80's until the early 90's. I ave up riding because at the
time the saddle really hurt my groin area to the point
I couldn't sit on the saddle nor did I want to. A few years later
talking to my best friend living on opposite coasts suggested that I get
an ergonomic saddle, at the time I had no idea what it was but a few
years latter did find one and put it on did a ride and no pains.
However, I only did one ride and decided I didn't really want to ride
because of previous memories. Would from time to time take the bike out
for a short ride especially when all my vehicles were down and had no
choice. Fast forward several years, do to the earlier
knee injuries and the other activities I was and had been doing my knees
got to the point I couldn't any real physical activities that required
leg work. I finally had got to the point my health was in real jeopardy
(blood pressure through the roof, death bed levels) and
my knees to the point simple walking became difficult. I knew I was in
a bad situation all the way around and needed to do something and fast.
With the urging of my three best friends; Marianne, Jim and Eric I
started riding, slow and short at first as my fitness and strength
wouldn't allow anything more. I continued to worry if my knees would
give out on me on every ride and even today a year later I still worry.
That saddle worked wonders plus learning all the new things about bike
fit made a huge difference to bike comfort. From riding speed 6-12 mph
in the first few months I started to ride progressively faster and
longer. I went out for a 25 mile ride and met up with some riders doing
a 265 miler as part of a larger group. I rode with them for about 15
miles taking me the totally wrong direction, I ended up riding 45 miles
and missed a dinner party. Riding with these guys was great and I
wanted to do it more! I had to go down south on a trip but the day
before the trip I found a group ride and didn't know anything about it.
They asked how fast could I ride? I told them between 18-20mph; did I
know the area? I said yes since I spent my earlier days as a runner in
that area; and how familiar was I riding in
a group? I said not to familiar as when I rode years before it was
either solo or with a few friends that also rode solo. They gave me a
real quick run down on what to expect and the different hand signals and
advised me that maybe I should do their other ride the next day., the
these riders try to drop each other as they are all season racers. Now
I was on an old heavy aluminum framed bike and they all had brand new
custom carbon fiber Cannondale racing bikes! Little did I know the
difference. I hung with them for about 4 miles they
smoked me going up a hill riding faster than I could on the flats. They
waited up for me at the top of the hill mainly because there was a
traffic light and it was red as soon as I got up the hill they took off
as I followed about another mile down the road was another traffic
light, I caught up with them again. I knew I was in trouble at this
point but figure what the hell how fast can they really go. I found out
once we crossed the intersection, I am riding as fast as I could doing
about 21-22 mph and they pulled away like I was standing still,
They made a turn I followed about another mile they made another turn an
dI could still them, I made the turn and that was the last time I seen
them until I figured my way on the routed course. They were all ready
to leave when I finally got back to the bike shop. I had never been so
out classed, beat up, embarrassed, humiliated as an athlete but I needed
that! It put me in my place and gave me a new found drive to push even
harder and to make it a goal to be able to ride as fast as them and in a
year come back and not get dropped.
My best friends told me not to let it get me down and they all have
healthy knees and bodies plus they were half my age (only one was in his
50's) and they had been competitively riding for years! To me that was
no excuse, I would work this broken down body and get it back in to
working order.

When I got back from the trip, I really got serious about my riding and
started to put on the miles, started to ride with groups that I could
hang with which were classified as B groups (ride distance between 25-50
miles at 16-18 MPH average but riding speed up to 23 mph with break away
going as fast as the rider could handle. It took me a several rides to
learn the in and outs of the group dynamics. I got tot he point I was
able to lead group rides and now I lead the B and B+/A- rides. I
believe I am on track in my training that I will be able to hang with
that race team and not get dropped. I have done some research on the
team and most of the riders are cat 2 & 3 with a few cat 1 and 4. I
know I will not be able to blow any one away but at 57 1/2 I'll be able
to hand and not get dropped and the ride is only 24 miles long. I will
still be at a disadvantage with my bike but that's life, as all the
riders that I ride with now all have carbon fiber bikes and I have been
able to hang with them except in an all out sprint as my knees have not
got strong enough to stand and crank, all my riding is done in the
saddle. I am now averaging 150 per week and get in a 50-70 miler once
per week. As matter of fact I am about to got out and do a 60 mile in a
few minutes, will be finishing in the dark. So Dave if you are goal
orientated ex-runner like myself biking is the way to go and it's great
for for your knees and legs. My number one advice would be to make sure
your bike is fitted to your body. Google Veloist, it is an open cycling
group that is pretty new and for all sorts of riding come and join us
there! Go ride and enjoy the outdoors...

--
Ride fast, ride hard, ride for health and enjoyment...
JQ
Dancing on the edge

[Dave Lee]

Re: Attached

JQ, I have done road biking in the past and enjoyed it. But for reasons that
I am just not willing to put in a public forum that isn't the best choice
for me right now.

Thanks for the comments.

dave

"JQ" wrote in message ...

SNIP

Dave, if you are as goal orientated as you say give road biking a try.
I am a ex-runner due to major knee injuries started riding back in the
mid to late 80's until the early 90's. I ave up riding because at the
time the saddle really hurt my groin area to the point
I couldn't sit on the saddle nor did I want to. A few years later
talking to my best friend living on opposite coasts suggested that I get
an ergonomic saddle, at the time I had no idea what it was but a few
years latter did find one and put it on did a ride and no pains.
However, I only did one ride and decided I didn't really want to ride
because of previous memories. Would from time to time take the bike out
for a short ride especially when all my vehicles were down and had no
choice. Fast forward several years, do to the earlier
knee injuries and the other activities I was and had been doing my knees
got to the point I couldn't any real physical activities that required
leg work. I finally had got to the point my health was in real jeopardy
(blood pressure through the roof, death bed levels) and
my knees to the point simple walking became difficult. I knew I was in
a bad situation all the way around and needed to do something and fast.
With the urging of my three best friends; Marianne, Jim and Eric I
started riding, slow and short at first as my fitness and strength
wouldn't allow anything more. I continued to worry if my knees would
give out on me on every ride and even today a year later I still worry.
That saddle worked wonders plus learning all the new things about bike
fit made a huge difference to bike comfort. From riding speed 6-12 mph
in the first few months I started to ride progressively faster and
longer. I went out for a 25 mile ride and met up with some riders doing
a 265 miler as part of a larger group. I rode with them for about 15
miles taking me the totally wrong direction, I ended up riding 45 miles
and missed a dinner party. Riding with these guys was great and I
wanted to do it more! I had to go down south on a trip but the day
before the trip I found a group ride and didn't know anything about it.
They asked how fast could I ride? I told them between 18-20mph; did I
know the area? I said yes since I spent my earlier days as a runner in
that area; and how familiar was I riding in
a group? I said not to familiar as when I rode years before it was
either solo or with a few friends that also rode solo. They gave me a
real quick run down on what to expect and the different hand signals and
advised me that maybe I should do their other ride the next day., the
these riders try to drop each other as they are all season racers. Now
I was on an old heavy aluminum framed bike and they all had brand new
custom carbon fiber Cannondale racing bikes! Little did I know the
difference. I hung with them for about 4 miles they
smoked me going up a hill riding faster than I could on the flats. They
waited up for me at the top of the hill mainly because there was a
traffic light and it was red as soon as I got up the hill they took off
as I followed about another mile down the road was another traffic
light, I caught up with them again. I knew I was in trouble at this
point but figure what the hell how fast can they really go. I found out
once we crossed the intersection, I am riding as fast as I could doing
about 21-22 mph and they pulled away like I was standing still,
They made a turn I followed about another mile they made another turn an
dI could still them, I made the turn and that was the last time I seen
them until I figured my way on the routed course. They were all ready
to leave when I finally got back to the bike shop. I had never been so
out classed, beat up, embarrassed, humiliated as an athlete but I needed
that! It put me in my place and gave me a new found drive to push even
harder and to make it a goal to be able to ride as fast as them and in a
year come back and not get dropped.
My best friends told me not to let it get me down and they all have
healthy knees and bodies plus they were half my age (only one was in his
50's) and they had been competitively riding for years! To me that was
no excuse, I would work this broken down body and get it back in to
working order.

When I got back from the trip, I really got serious about my riding and
started to put on the miles, started to ride with groups that I could
hang with which were classified as B groups (ride distance between 25-50
miles at 16-18 MPH average but riding speed up to 23 mph with break away
going as fast as the rider could handle. It took me a several rides to
learn the in and outs of the group dynamics. I got tot he point I was
able to lead group rides and now I lead the B and B+/A- rides. I
believe I am on track in my training that I will be able to hang with
that race team and not get dropped. I have done some research on the
team and most of the riders are cat 2 & 3 with a few cat 1 and 4. I
know I will not be able to blow any one away but at 57 1/2 I'll be able
to hand and not get dropped and the ride is only 24 miles long. I will
still be at a disadvantage with my bike but that's life, as all the
riders that I ride with now all have carbon fiber bikes and I have been
able to hang with them except in an all out sprint as my knees have not
got strong enough to stand and crank, all my riding is done in the
saddle. I am now averaging 150 per week and get in a 50-70 miler once
per week. As matter of fact I am about to got out and do a 60 mile in a
few minutes, will be finishing in the dark. So Dave if you are goal
orientated ex-runner like myself biking is the way to go and it's great
for for your knees and legs. My number one advice would be to make sure
your bike is fitted to your body. Google Veloist, it is an open cycling
group that is pretty new and for all sorts of riding come and join us
there! Go ride and enjoy the outdoors...

--
Ride fast, ride hard, ride for health and enjoyment...
JQ
Dancing on the edge

[Dave Lee]

Re: Attached

Mike, I have done road biking in the past and enjoyed it. But for reasons
that I am just not willing to put in a public forum that isn't the best
choice for me right now.

Thanks for the comments.

dave

"Mike Jacoubowsky" wrote in message
m...
SNIP

The obvious question is why not simply ride a bike on the road? It's far
more exciting than riding a trainer, and you can use a heart monitor and
your speed to judge your progress. If you've got a hill to climb, even
better. You can also incorporate riding into your daily regime,
commuting to work, running errands, whatever. When we had both of our
shop vehicles die simultaneously, I found it surprising how easily I
could substitute a bike for a car, despite having to haul all sorts of
stuff back and forth from home to work.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com


"Dave Lee" > wrote in message
m...
> Quick history. From an exercise perspective I am mostly either a runner
> (or nothing). But back in the 90's I ran into some injury problems and
> turned into a road biker (even rode in a couple of Cat IV age group
> events). But for a number of reasons that didn't last.
>
> Fast forward 15 years (and maybe more than 15 pounds) I am now neither a
> runner or biker (retired and a golfer which I enjoy, but ...). So I need
> to get back to a better exercise regime.
>
> When I was biking I spent a goodly amount of time on a traditional sport
> club magnetic exercise (upright) bike. So I am considering doing that
> again (along with some weight/kettlebell work focused on what will help my
> golf). And I am trying to make a 'spinner bike' vs. magnetic resistance
> bike decision. I have never been on a spinner, BTW.
>
> From my perspective the spinner is the obvious choice - it is more like a
> bike (even though I have no plans to get onto the road again). The only
> drawback to this choice is feedback. I am a goal motivated guy and can do
> well when I can measure progress - stuff like run my 6 mile route faster,
> speed on a road bike, progressive weights when lifting, etc. That works
> quite well even with moderately priced magnetic resistance bikes (time and
> power). I don't see how I can get this with a spinner as the resistance
> level is kind of unknown, although I suppose you could just mark turns on
> the resistance knob and assume that the resistance really isn't changing
> with wear over time (doubtful).
>
> Comments on this? My budget is not high - maybe $500.
>
> Thanks.
>
> dave
>
> ps. Back in 'the days' the club that I used had Lifecycle upright bikes.
> They were really nice in that the 'required power' was speed independent -
> you set a level and it took a mostly fixed level of power input to make
> the pedals turn no matter what the rpm (within limits). So you could
> easily simulate climbing, although as my fitness improved I could max the
> thing out. I won't be able to afford a magnetic device that would do that
> (nor would even a high end spinner, I assume).

[Anton Berlin]

> JQ, I have done road biking in the past and enjoyed it. But for reasons that
> I am just not willing to put in a public forum that isn't the best choice
> for me right now.
>


Somehow that just screams "insurance fraud"

[Dave Lee]

"Anton Berlin" wrote in message
...


>> JQ, I have done road biking in the past and enjoyed it. But for reasons
>> that
>> I am just not willing to put in a public forum that isn't the best choice
>> for me right now.


>Somehow that just screams "insurance fraud"

I'm curious. Is this a joke or some RBR thing that a guy like me (who hasn't
been here since sometime in the 90's) wouldn't understand?

dave

[--D-y]

On Jan 10, 8:30*am, "Dave Lee" > wrote:

> Regarding the single device, I can make that work for me. I was into cycling
> for about 4 years (work around for my running injuries) and only owned a
> bike about half that time. But the sport club is a very poor choice for me
> as I won't make the trip, but I will go into the next room (live in a small
> area - choices are limited and not that close by). It was perfect for me
> while in California as the only way to make my commute manageable was to
> leave the house around 4:45 a.m. (50 minute drive with no traffic) and stop
> at a sports club near work before starting my day (now retired).
>
> I have just started with kettlebells (they seem to me to be very good core
> training devices) and I have not YET hit my head with one. But I have
> smashed a $8 plastic digital watch doing cleans with a kettlebell :-)
>
> I would still be interesting in other comments - thanks.

It might be a good idea to check out a one-time pass or one-class
arrangement at a club or two, so you can try as many equipment choices
as possible. Some Spin classes are (IMHO) nasty, getting yelled at
sessions but I've "spun" with a few instructors who didn't crank up
the (usually stupid) music and then use a microphone to be heard over
the din. They welcomed newcomers, too, no "hey you in the back, let's
keep up here!" stuff. IOW, I saw what you wrote but maybe you'd want
to check out Spin sessions; it can be like riding the road in the
sense of having a social setting to work out in, "the miles fly by".

Is there a "sports store", either large or small, anywhere nearby
where you can get a test ride? Second-hand shop that sells used sports
equipment?

A new one of these:
<http://concept2.com/us/indoorrowers/default.asp?
gclid=CIGW2I_JsKYCFZJa2goddUyZmg>
is way over your stated budget, but it's something to think about and
maybe try out, if available.

I've used one of these fine machines; they have a variety of modes on
a readout screen for measuring your workout, which seems to be what
you're looking for. An "erg" as the rowers call them, is ideal for the
strongly self-directed <g>. A half-hour on the rowing machine will
find you reaching into your suitcase of motivation, for sure.

Low-impact, low noise level, can be used to focus on core strength;
not as tough on the legs as cycling but better for everything else
IMHO.

There is some technique involved. I was fortunate to have a young
woman who was a varsity rower get me lined out on what's what-- good
technique really helps the focus, and it hurts more, too <g>.
Um, easy on watches, etc., and no helmet required.
--D-y

[Dave Lee]

Re: Attached
Re: Attached

Options near here (both from a sport's club and retailer perspective. But
you are correct - a trip to Raleigh (or possibly Fayetteville) may well be
in order.

Thanks.

dave


"--D-y" wrote in message
...
snip

On Jan 10, 8:30 am, "Dave Lee" > wrote:
It might be a good idea to check out a one-time pass or one-class
arrangement at a club or two, so you can try as many equipment choices
as possible. Some Spin classes are (IMHO) nasty, getting yelled at
sessions but I've "spun" with a few instructors who didn't crank up
the (usually stupid) music and then use a microphone to be heard over
the din. They welcomed newcomers, too, no "hey you in the back, let's
keep up here!" stuff. IOW, I saw what you wrote but maybe you'd want
to check out Spin sessions; it can be like riding the road in the
sense of having a social setting to work out in, "the miles fly by".

Is there a "sports store", either large or small, anywhere nearby
where you can get a test ride? Second-hand shop that sells used sports
equipment?

A new one of these:
<http://concept2.com/us/indoorrowers/default.asp?
gclid=CIGW2I_JsKYCFZJa2goddUyZmg>
is way over your stated budget, but it's something to think about and
maybe try out, if available.

I've used one of these fine machines; they have a variety of modes on
a readout screen for measuring your workout, which seems to be what
you're looking for. An "erg" as the rowers call them, is ideal for the
strongly self-directed <g>. A half-hour on the rowing machine will
find you reaching into your suitcase of motivation, for sure.

Low-impact, low noise level, can be used to focus on core strength;
not as tough on the legs as cycling but better for everything else
IMHO.

There is some technique involved. I was fortunate to have a young
woman who was a varsity rower get me lined out on what's what-- good
technique really helps the focus, and it hurts more, too <g>.
Um, easy on watches, etc., and no helmet required.
--D-y

[Mike Jacoubowsky]

"Dave Lee" > wrote in message
m...
>
>
> "Anton Berlin" wrote in message
> ...
>
>
>>> JQ, I have done road biking in the past and enjoyed it. But for reasons
>>> that
>>> I am just not willing to put in a public forum that isn't the best
>>> choice
>>> for me right now.
>
>
>>Somehow that just screams "insurance fraud"
>
> I'm curious. Is this a joke or some RBR thing that a guy like me (who
> hasn't been here since sometime in the 90's) wouldn't understand?
>
> dave


No, that's just Anton. Don't worry about it. If it was insurance fraud, you
wouldn't be using what appears to be a real name, would you? Your answer
definitely raises questions, makes people want to know more, but the
"normal" speculation would run to things like, "Used to ride a lot but got
scared by cars one too many time" or "Have to sit on a saddle that wouldn't
work well on a bike for long rides because I've had surgery down there" or
some such.

Well, OK, it's not just Anton, it's not as if he has a monopoly on such
things in RBR. :-)

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

[Anton Berlin]

On Jan 10, 5:01*pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" >
wrote:
> "Dave Lee" > wrote in message
>
> m...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Anton Berlin" *wrote in message
> ...
>
> >>> JQ, I have done road biking in the past and enjoyed it. But for reasons
> >>> that
> >>> I am just not willing to put in a public forum that isn't the best
> >>> choice
> >>> for me right now.
>
> >>Somehow that just screams "insurance fraud"
>
> > I'm curious. Is this a joke or some RBR thing that a guy like me (who
> > hasn't been here since sometime in the 90's) wouldn't understand?
>
> > dave
>
> No, that's just Anton. Don't worry about it. If it was insurance fraud, you
> wouldn't be using what appears to be a real name, would you? Your answer
> definitely raises questions, makes people want to know more, but the
> "normal" speculation would run to things like, "Used to ride a lot but got
> scared by cars one too many time" or "Have to sit on a saddle that wouldn't
> work well on a bike for long rides because I've had surgery down there" or
> some such.
>
> Well, OK, it's not just Anton, it's not as if he has a monopoly on such
> things in RBR. :-)
>
> --Mike Jacoubowsky
> Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReaction.com
> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

All true - but I don't think anyone would feel 'shame' from being
assaulted by cars. And dozens of people would come in posting things
about their limp dicks and hemorrhoids so naturally insurance fraud
seems logical.

[Dave Lee]

"Mike Jacoubowsky" wrote in message
m...

SNIP
>Somehow that just screams "insurance fraud"
>>
>> I'm curious. Is this a joke or some RBR thing that a guy like me (who
>> hasn't been here since sometime in the 90's) wouldn't understand?
>>
>> dave


>No, that's just Anton. Don't worry about it. If it was insurance fraud, you
>wouldn't be using what appears to be a real name, would you? Your answer
>definitely raises questions, makes people want to know more, but the
>"normal" speculation would run to things like, "Used to ride a lot but got
>scared by cars one too many time" or "Have to sit on a saddle that wouldn't
>work well on a bike for long rides because I've had surgery down there" or
>some such.

>Well, OK, it's not just Anton, it's not as if he has a monopoly on such
>things in RBR. :-)

>--Mike Jacoubowsky
>Chain Reaction Bicycles

Thanks for the explanation. I've spent a lot of time on USENET so "I
understand". And besides it isn't insurance fraud at all, it is an illegal
pot farm (can't afford to be away in case 'the feds' come knocking :-)

dave

[JQ]

On 1/10/2011 5:02 PM, --D-y wrote:
> On Jan 10, 8:30 am, "Dave > wrote:
>
>> Regarding the single device, I can make that work for me. I was into cycling
>> for about 4 years (work around for my running injuries) and only owned a
>> bike about half that time. But the sport club is a very poor choice for me
>> as I won't make the trip, but I will go into the next room (live in a small
>> area - choices are limited and not that close by). It was perfect for me
>> while in California as the only way to make my commute manageable was to
>> leave the house around 4:45 a.m. (50 minute drive with no traffic) and stop
>> at a sports club near work before starting my day (now retired).
>>
>> I have just started with kettlebells (they seem to me to be very good core
>> training devices) and I have not YET hit my head with one. But I have
>> smashed a $8 plastic digital watch doing cleans with a kettlebell :-)
>>
>> I would still be interesting in other comments - thanks.
> It might be a good idea to check out a one-time pass or one-class
> arrangement at a club or two, so you can try as many equipment choices
> as possible. Some Spin classes are (IMHO) nasty, getting yelled at
> sessions but I've "spun" with a few instructors who didn't crank up
> the (usually stupid) music and then use a microphone to be heard over
> the din. They welcomed newcomers, too, no "hey you in the back, let's
> keep up here!" stuff. IOW, I saw what you wrote but maybe you'd want
> to check out Spin sessions; it can be like riding the road in the
> sense of having a social setting to work out in, "the miles fly by".
>
> Is there a "sports store", either large or small, anywhere nearby
> where you can get a test ride? Second-hand shop that sells used sports
> equipment?
>
> A new one of these:
> <http://concept2.com/us/indoorrowers/default.asp?
> gclid=CIGW2I_JsKYCFZJa2goddUyZmg>
> is way over your stated budget, but it's something to think about and
> maybe try out, if available.
>
> I've used one of these fine machines; they have a variety of modes on
> a readout screen for measuring your workout, which seems to be what
> you're looking for. An "erg" as the rowers call them, is ideal for the
> strongly self-directed<g>. A half-hour on the rowing machine will
> find you reaching into your suitcase of motivation, for sure.
>
> Low-impact, low noise level, can be used to focus on core strength;
> not as tough on the legs as cycling but better for everything else
> IMHO.
>
> There is some technique involved. I was fortunate to have a young
> woman who was a varsity rower get me lined out on what's what-- good
> technique really helps the focus, and it hurts more, too<g>.
> Um, easy on watches, etc., and no helmet required.
> --D-y
I have the concept 2 rower and it is a fantastic workout, probably the
best complete body cardio workout you can do. Involves all your major
muscle groups
and works the core like no other workout. When I had a gym I and
several others that use to ride the concept 2 rower and we would entices
a new guy to do
the rower for the 2500 meter time trial and we would cheer the rower
till they would roll over puking their guts out. It was our initiation
into the rowers club.
--

Ride fast, ride hard, ride for health and enjoyment...
JQ
Dancing on the edge

[Ryan Cousineau]

On Jan 10, 4:47*pm, "Dave Lee" > wrote:
> "Mike Jacoubowsky" *wrote in message
>
> m...
>
> SNIP
>
>
>
>
>
> >Somehow that just screams "insurance fraud"
>
> >> I'm curious. Is this a joke or some RBR thing that a guy like me (who
> >> hasn't been here since sometime in the 90's) wouldn't understand?
>
> >> dave
> >No, that's just Anton. Don't worry about it. If it was insurance fraud, you
> >wouldn't be using what appears to be a real name, would you? Your answer
> >definitely raises questions, makes people want to know more, but the
> >"normal" speculation would run to things like, "Used to ride a lot but got
> >scared by cars one too many time" or "Have to sit on a saddle that wouldn't
> >work well on a bike for long rides because I've had surgery down there" or
> >some such.
> >Well, OK, it's not just Anton, it's not as if he has a monopoly on such
> >things in RBR. :-)
> >--Mike Jacoubowsky
> >Chain Reaction Bicycles
>
> Thanks for the explanation. I've spent a lot of time on USENET so "I
> understand". And besides it isn't insurance fraud at all, it is an illegal
> pot farm (can't afford to be away in case 'the feds' come knocking :-)
>
> dave

True or false, this explanation is hilarious. Also, +5 points for
being able to confuse rbr by using either your real name or a name
that looks real.

rbr IQ < average IQ of rbr,

[Anton Berlin]

And besides it isn't insurance fraud at all, it is an illegal
> pot farm (can't afford to be away in case 'the feds' come knocking :-)
>
> dave

Dave Lee Roth?

[Fred Fredburger[_12_]]

On 1/10/2011 8:16 PM, Ryan Cousineau wrote:

> Also, +5 points for
> being able to confuse rbr by using either your real name or a name
> that looks real.

OMG! We've been TROLLED!

[Fred Fredburger[_12_]]

On 1/10/2011 8:41 PM, Anton Berlin wrote:
> And besides it isn't insurance fraud at all, it is an illegal
>> pot farm (can't afford to be away in case 'the feds' come knocking :-)
>>
>> dave
>
> Dave Lee Roth?

The Miami Dolphins just fired their QB coach. A guy named "Dave Lee".

Sitting on a cycle while smoking dope counts as a promotion, in this case.

[Dave Lee]

"JQ" wrote in message ...

On 1/10/2011 9:30 AM, Dave Lee wrote:
>
>
SNIP

>Dave, if you are as goal orientated as you say give road biking a try. I
>am a ex-runner due to major knee injuries started riding back in the mid to
>late 80's until the early 90's.

SNIP

JQ,

http://members.tripod.com/DaveLeeMn/1-11-11.wmv

is a quick video looking out our garage this morning (southern NC). And you
think my idea of a training cycle is a bad idea :-)

dave

[Dave Lee]

Re: Attached

No, they did not pick up my trash this morning :-)

dave

"Dave Lee" wrote in message
news:gfKdnXjAM5hy9LHReeQnZ2dnUVZ_jqdnZ2d@earthlink .com...


"JQ" wrote in message ...

On 1/10/2011 9:30 AM, Dave Lee wrote:
>
>
SNIP

>Dave, if you are as goal orientated as you say give road biking a try. I
>am a ex-runner due to major knee injuries started riding back in the mid to
>late 80's until the early 90's.

SNIP

JQ,

http://members.tripod.com/DaveLeeMn/1-11-11.wmv

is a quick video looking out our garage this morning (southern NC). And you
think my idea of a training cycle is a bad idea :-)

dave

[Choppy Warburton]

On Jan 10, 6:47*pm, "Dave Lee" > wrote:
> "Mike Jacoubowsky" *wrote in message
>
> m...
>
> SNIP
>
>
>
> >Somehow that just screams "insurance fraud"
>
> >> I'm curious. Is this a joke or some RBR thing that a guy like me (who
> >> hasn't been here since sometime in the 90's) wouldn't understand?
>
> >> dave
> >No, that's just Anton. Don't worry about it. If it was insurance fraud, you
> >wouldn't be using what appears to be a real name, would you? Your answer
> >definitely raises questions, makes people want to know more, but the
> >"normal" speculation would run to things like, "Used to ride a lot but got
> >scared by cars one too many time" or "Have to sit on a saddle that wouldn't
> >work well on a bike for long rides because I've had surgery down there" or
> >some such.
> >Well, OK, it's not just Anton, it's not as if he has a monopoly on such
> >things in RBR. :-)
> >--Mike Jacoubowsky
> >Chain Reaction Bicycles
>
> Thanks for the explanation. I've spent a lot of time on USENET so "I
> understand". And besides it isn't insurance fraud at all, it is an illegal
> pot farm (can't afford to be away in case 'the feds' come knocking :-)
>
> dave

a pot farmer with only $500? a grow light and 3 plants in a closet
in your mother's basement?

you're certain to be on the ten most wanted list by now.

[Dave Lee]

"Choppy Warburton" wrote in message
...

On Jan 10, 6:47 pm, "Dave Lee" > wrote:
> "Mike Jacoubowsky" wrote in message
>
> m...
>
> SNIP
>
>
>
> >Somehow that just screams "insurance fraud"
>
> >> I'm curious. Is this a joke or some RBR thing that a guy like me (who
> >> hasn't been here since sometime in the 90's) wouldn't understand?
>
> >> dave
> >No, that's just Anton. Don't worry about it. If it was insurance fraud,
> >you
> >wouldn't be using what appears to be a real name, would you? Your answer
> >definitely raises questions, makes people want to know more, but the
> >"normal" speculation would run to things like, "Used to ride a lot but
> >got
> >scared by cars one too many time" or "Have to sit on a saddle that
> >wouldn't
> >work well on a bike for long rides because I've had surgery down there"
> >or
> >some such.
> >Well, OK, it's not just Anton, it's not as if he has a monopoly on such
> >things in RBR. :-)
> >--Mike Jacoubowsky
> >Chain Reaction Bicycles
>
>> Thanks for the explanation. I've spent a lot of time on USENET so "I
>> understand". And besides it isn't insurance fraud at all, it is an
>> illegal
>>pot farm (can't afford to be away in case 'the feds' come knocking :-)
>
>> dave

>a pot farmer with only $500? a grow light and 3 plants in a closet
>in your mother's basement?

>you're certain to be on the ten most wanted list by now.

Never claimed to be a competent pot farmer :-)

dave

[Ryan Cousineau]

On Jan 10, 8:51*pm, Fred Fredburger
> wrote:
> On 1/10/2011 8:16 PM, Ryan Cousineau wrote:
>
> > Also, +5 points for
> > being able to confuse rbr by using either your real name or a name
> > that looks real.
>
> OMG! We've been TROLLED!

You're the smartest man in rbr, Fred.

[Fred Fredburger[_12_]]

On 1/11/2011 4:53 PM, Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> On Jan 10, 8:51 pm, Fred Fredburger
> > wrote:
>> On 1/10/2011 8:16 PM, Ryan Cousineau wrote:
>>
>>> Also, +5 points for
>>> being able to confuse rbr by using either your real name or a name
>>> that looks real.
>>
>> OMG! We've been TROLLED!
>
> You're the smartest man in rbr, Fred.

I think you meant "biggest ****tard".

You're welcome.

[Beloved Fred No. 1]

Fred Fredburger
>>> OMG! We've been TROLLED!

Ryan Cousineau wrote:
>> You're the smartest man in rbr, Fred.

Fred Fredburger wrote:
> I think you meant "biggest ****tard".

Lafferty is supposed to be the judge (although I think Bruce has prior
art on ****tard).

[Nagurski]

On Jan 11, 11:00*am, "Dave Lee" >
wrote:
> "Choppy Warburton" *wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> On Jan 10, 6:47 pm, "Dave Lee" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Mike Jacoubowsky" *wrote in message
>
> m...
>
> > SNIP
>
> > >Somehow that just screams "insurance fraud"
>
> > >> I'm curious. Is this a joke or some RBR thing that a guy like me (who
> > >> hasn't been here since sometime in the 90's) wouldn't understand?
>
> > >> dave
> > >No, that's just Anton. Don't worry about it. If it was insurance fraud,
> > >you
> > >wouldn't be using what appears to be a real name, would you? Your answer
> > >definitely raises questions, makes people want to know more, but the
> > >"normal" speculation would run to things like, "Used to ride a lot but
> > >got
> > >scared by cars one too many time" or "Have to sit on a saddle that
> > >wouldn't
> > >work well on a bike for long rides because I've had surgery down there"
> > >or
> > >some such.
> > >Well, OK, it's not just Anton, it's not as if he has a monopoly on such
> > >things in RBR. :-)
> > >--Mike Jacoubowsky
> > >Chain Reaction Bicycles
>
> >> Thanks for the explanation. I've spent a lot of time on USENET so "I
> >> understand". And besides it isn't insurance fraud at all, it is an
> >> illegal
> >>pot farm (can't afford to be away in case 'the feds' come knocking :-)
>
> >> dave
> >a pot farmer with only $500? * a grow light and 3 plants in a closet
> >in your mother's basement?
> >you're certain to be on the ten most wanted list by now.
>
> Never claimed to be a competent pot farmer :-)
>
> dave

This is ****ing PRICELESS! Best thread in RBR in a long while. Kudos,
Dave.

[Nagurski]

On Jan 11, 4:53*pm, Ryan Cousineau > wrote:
> On Jan 10, 8:51*pm, Fred Fredburger
>
> > wrote:
> > On 1/10/2011 8:16 PM, Ryan Cousineau wrote:
>
> > > Also, +5 points for
> > > being able to confuse rbr by using either your real name or a name
> > > that looks real.
>
> > OMG! We've been TROLLED!
>
> You're the smartest man in rbr, Fred.

[Dave Lee]

>"--D-y" wrote in message
...
>snip

>On Jan 10, 8:30 am, "Dave Lee" > wrote:
>It might be a good idea to check out a one-time pass or one-class
>arrangement at a club or two, so you can try as many equipment choices
>as possible. Some Spin classes are (IMHO) nasty, getting yelled at
>sessions but I've "spun" with a few instructors who didn't crank up
>the (usually stupid) music and then use a microphone to be heard over
>the din. They welcomed newcomers, too, no "hey you in the back, let's
>keep up here!" stuff. IOW, I saw what you wrote but maybe you'd want
>to check out Spin sessions; it can be like riding the road in the
>sense of having a social setting to work out in, "the miles fly by".

>Is there a "sports store", either large or small, anywhere nearby
>where you can get a test ride? Second-hand shop that sells used sports
>equipment?
SNIP
--D-y

>"Dave Lee" wrote in message
m... Options near here
>(both from a sport's club and retailer perspective. But you are correct - a
>trip to Raleigh (or possibly Fayetteville) may well be in order.

>Thanks.

>dave

Over the past two days I have made trips to Raleigh and Fayetteville (in NC,
obviously). I also drove to Sanford. Here is the story.

Sanford Place #1 - while they carry bikes and treadmills, they no longer
carry exercise bikes

Sanford Place #2 - closed in December 2010

Sears #1 in Raleigh -
Bladez spinner type bike that confirmed that the feedback issue is a show
stopper

Diamondback U6 and Proform something or other - they were totally unable
to plug these in so I could not try them out (other than to sit on them)

DickSportingGoods in Raleigh
Another Bladez that confirmed that it was the wrong choice

Schwinn A140 - unable to locate the required AC adapter

A couple of other low end choices that I passed on

Sears #2 in Raleigh

Ditto's with Sears #1 in Raleigh

ProSource Fitness in Raleigh
While they are listed as a 'DiamondBack Fitness Dealer' at
www.diamondback.com (and at ProSource own website), they have not been a
Diamondback dealer for over a year. I was VERY interested n the 500/510
series from Diamondback. As best as I can tell there is no Diamondback
dealer anywhere in NC that sells Diamondback fitness equipment. ProSource
had some interesting alternatives, but this just isn't (in my mind) a $1400
problem.

PlayItAgain Sports in Raleigh had an interesting Lifecycle 8500 for under
$500.

Dick's Sporting Goods in Fayetteville
They had a Schwinn A140 on the floor. I was told if I came back in an
hour there might be someone who could plug it in. I did that, and was able
to try it out. While Schwinn is hardly the brand that I would chose, this
may well be a very good cost-performance option if a true 'cycling position'
is not a firm requirement.

They had no other interesting options

Sears in Fayetteville
No interesting options

Some Fitness place in Fayetteville
No interesting options, but a decent treadmill selection

The Schwinn A140 option is very affordable and fundamentally 'addresses all
requirements' although it is not very 'bike-like'. If things go very well
this will probably be gone in a year, but the investment is quite low. And I
now have a BUNCH less sympathy than before for the 'brick and mortar
retailers' vs. online sellers than I did prior to taking this on.

dave

[Nagurski[_2_]]

On Jan 14, 2:25*pm, "Dave Lee" > wrote:

>
> Some Fitness place in Fayetteville
> * *No interesting options, but a decent treadmill selection
>
> The Schwinn A140 option is very affordable and fundamentally 'addresses all
> requirements' although it is not very 'bike-like'. If things go very well
> this will probably be gone in a year, but the investment is quite low. And I
> now have a BUNCH less sympathy than before for the 'brick and mortar
> retailers' vs. online sellers than I did prior to taking this on.
>
> dave

I haven't laughed this hard and long in a long time. You're one of the
best trolls I've seen in a while.

[RicodJour]

On Jan 14, 9:03*pm, Nagurski > wrote:
> On Jan 14, 2:25*pm, "Dave Lee" > wrote:
>
> > Some Fitness place in Fayetteville
> > * *No interesting options, but a decent treadmill selection
>
> > The Schwinn A140 option is very affordable and fundamentally 'addresses all
> > requirements' although it is not very 'bike-like'. If things go very well
> > this will probably be gone in a year, but the investment is quite low. And I
> > now have a BUNCH less sympathy than before for the 'brick and mortar
> > retailers' vs. online sellers than I did prior to taking this on.
>
> > dave
>
> I haven't laughed this hard and long in a long time. You're one of the
> best trolls I've seen in a while.

It's tough killing time until the Super Bowl, isn't it?

R

[Nagurski[_2_]]

On Jan 14, 7:13*pm, RicodJour > wrote:

>
> > I haven't laughed this hard and long in a long time. You're one of the
> > best trolls I've seen in a while.
>
> It's tough killing time until the Super Bowl, isn't it?
>
> R

Nah. My team is still in the playoffs. And you have to admit, , Dave
Lee is pretty entertaining.

[RicodJour]

On Jan 15, 1:16*pm, Nagurski > wrote:
> On Jan 14, 7:13*pm, RicodJour > wrote:
>
> > > I haven't laughed this hard and long in a long time. You're one of the
> > > best trolls I've seen in a while.
>
> > It's tough killing time until the Super Bowl, isn't it?
>
>
> Nah. My team is still in the playoffs. And you have to admit, , Dave
> Lee is pretty entertaining.

Didn't he ride for Motorola? Or is he that young Australian - the
next Cadel?

Football is a stupid sport - no offense. Only two guys are allowed to
use their feet and there are more dopers in football than in cycling,
which is rather mind-boggling.

R

[Nagurski]

On Jan 15, 2:14*pm, RicodJour > wrote:
> On Jan 15, 1:16*pm, Nagurski > wrote:
>
> > On Jan 14, 7:13*pm, RicodJour > wrote:
>
> > > > I haven't laughed this hard and long in a long time. You're one of the
> > > > best trolls I've seen in a while.
>
> > > It's tough killing time until the Super Bowl, isn't it?
>
> > Nah. My team is still in the playoffs. And you have to admit, , Dave
> > Lee is pretty entertaining.
>
> Didn't he ride for Motorola? *Or is he that young Australian - the
> next Cadel?
>
> Football is a stupid sport - no offense. *Only two guys are allowed to
> use their feet and there are more dopers in football than in cycling,
> which is rather mind-boggling.
>
> R

No offense taken. I had a feeling I swallowed that hook.

I think soccer is boring and meant for girls, and for boys that can't
play real football. That's just my opinion. But I also have a love for
cycling, which may be unusual for a fan of real football.

[--D-y]

On Jan 14, 4:25*pm, "Dave Lee" > wrote:

> The Schwinn A140 option is very affordable and fundamentally 'addresses all
> requirements' although it is not very 'bike-like'. If things go very well
> this will probably be gone in a year, but the investment is quite low. And I
> now have a BUNCH less sympathy than before for the 'brick and mortar
> retailers' vs. online sellers than I did prior to taking this on.

Good investigation, that's what it takes. So order the Schwinn online.
Sweet revenge!
I have sympathy in that "good help" might be hard to find, but then
again, there are reasons why good help might not want to hire on,
either.

Schwinn looks good from here; I've used similar while waiting for the
rower. Nope, not entirely bike-like but probably a good tool for the
job at hand.
--D-y

[Dave Lee]

"Dave Lee" wrote in message
m...

>Quick history. From an exercise perspective I am mostly either a runner (or
>nothing). But back in the 90's I ran into some injury problems and turned
>into a road biker (even rode in a couple of Cat IV age group events). But
>for a number of reasons that didn't last.

>Fast forward 15 years (and maybe more than 15 pounds) I am now neither a
>runner or biker (retired and a golfer which I enjoy, but ...). So I need to
>get back to a better exercise regime.

>When I was biking I spent a goodly amount of time on a traditional sport
>club magnetic exercise (upright) bike. So I am considering doing that again
>(along with some weight/kettlebell work focused on what will help my golf).
>And I am trying to make a 'spinner bike' vs. magnetic resistance bike
>decision. I have never been on a spinner, BTW.

>From my perspective the spinner is the obvious choice - it is more like a
>bike (even though I have no plans to get onto the road again). The only
>drawback to this choice is feedback. I am a goal motivated guy and can do
>well when I can measure progress - stuff like run my 6 mile route faster,
>speed on a road bike, progressive weights when lifting, etc. That works
>quite well even with moderately priced magnetic resistance bikes (time and
>power). I don't see how I can get this with a spinner as the resistance
>level is kind of unknown, although I suppose you could just mark turns on
>the resistance knob and assume that the resistance really isn't changing
>with wear over time (doubtful).

>Comments on this? My budget is not high - maybe $500.

>Thanks.

>dave

>ps. Back in 'the days' the club that I used had Lifecycle upright bikes.
>They were really nice in that the 'required power' was speed independent -
>you set a level and it took a mostly fixed level of power input to make the
>pedals turn no matter what the rpm (within limits). So you could easily
>simulate climbing, although as my fitness improved I could max the thing
>out. I won't be able to afford a magnetic device that would do that (nor
>would even a high end spinner, I assume).

I know that all of rbr has 'been on pause' awaiting the final decision of
Dave Lee, barely a former Cat IV/V road biker. So here it is.

I decided to take the 'compromise position' on an exercise bike, choosing
something halfway between ...

1) An upright magnetic resistance device (I hesitate to call it a bike) -
the advantage being quantified feedback on resistance levels, and the
disadvantage being it is not bike-like and pretty limited outside a narrow
range of pedaling (e.g. can't get out of the saddle or peddle at climbing
RPM, etc).

2) A bike and trainer - no quantifiable feedback but it obviously 'is a
bike'

So I just placed an order for a Lemond Revmaster Sport spinner bike
(obviously way out of my previously stated price range). The path to this
point was interesting. There are a bunch of previous model Revmaster's on
the used market at half or less vs. the new model. However they are TdF
'yellow jacket' yellow. So I asked my wife if she thought that it might be
worth more money to have a better color (basically black) bike in our 3rd
bedroom. And the rest is history :-)

So I am now turning control of rbr back to the masses so they can fulfill
rbr's mission of attacking/defending the credibility of Lance Armstrong.

dave

[Anton Berlin]

On Jan 20, 2:32*pm, "Dave Lee" > wrote:
> "Dave Lee" *wrote in message
>
> m...
>
>
>
> >Quick history. From an exercise perspective I am mostly either a runner (or
> >nothing). But back in the 90's I ran into some injury problems and turned
> >into a road biker (even rode in a couple of Cat IV age group events). But
> >for a number of reasons that didn't last.
> >Fast forward 15 years (and maybe more than 15 pounds) I am now neither a
> >runner or biker (retired and a golfer which I enjoy, but ...). So I need to
> >get back to a better exercise regime.
> >When I was biking I spent a goodly amount of time on a traditional sport
> >club magnetic exercise (upright) bike. So I am considering doing that again
> >(along with some weight/kettlebell work focused on what will help my golf).
> >And I am trying to make a 'spinner bike' vs. magnetic resistance bike
> >decision. I have never been on a spinner, BTW.
> >From my perspective the spinner is the obvious choice - it is more like a
> >bike (even though I have no plans to get onto the road *again). *The only
> >drawback to this choice is feedback. I am a goal motivated guy and can do
> >well when I can measure progress - stuff like run my 6 mile route faster,
> >speed on a road bike, progressive weights when lifting, etc. That works
> >quite well even with moderately priced magnetic resistance bikes (time and
> >power). I don't see how I can get this with a spinner as the resistance
> >level is kind of unknown, although I suppose you could just mark turns on
> >the resistance knob and assume that the resistance really isn't changing
> >with wear over time (doubtful).
> >Comments on this? My budget is not high - maybe $500.
> >Thanks.
> >dave
> >ps. Back in 'the days' the club that I used had Lifecycle upright bikes.
> >They were really nice in that the 'required power' was speed independent -
> >you set a level and it took a mostly fixed level of power input to make the
> >pedals turn no matter what the rpm (within limits). So you could easily
> >simulate climbing, although as my fitness improved I could max the thing
> >out. I won't be able to afford a magnetic device that would do that (nor
> >would even a high end spinner, I assume).
>
> I know that all of rbr has 'been on pause' awaiting the final decision of
> Dave Lee, barely a former Cat IV/V road biker. So here it is.
>
> I decided to take the 'compromise position' on an exercise bike, choosing
> something halfway between ...
>
> 1) An upright magnetic resistance device (I hesitate to call it a bike) -
> the advantage being quantified feedback on resistance levels, and the
> disadvantage being it is not bike-like and pretty limited outside a narrow
> range of pedaling (e.g. can't get out of the saddle or peddle at climbing
> RPM, etc).
>
> 2) A bike and trainer - no quantifiable feedback but it obviously 'is a
> bike'
>
> So I just placed an order for a Lemond Revmaster Sport spinner bike
> (obviously way out of my previously stated price range). The path to this
> point was interesting. There are a bunch of previous model Revmaster's on
> the used market at half or less vs. the new model. However they are TdF
> 'yellow jacket' yellow. So I asked my wife if she thought that it might be
> worth more money to have a better color (basically black) bike in our 3rd
> bedroom. And the rest is history :-)
>
> So I am now turning control of rbr back to the masses so they can fulfill
> rbr's mission of attacking/defending the credibility of Lance Armstrong.
>
> dave

It will be very difficult to get away using a stationary bike from an
undercover cop trying to arrest you after a drug buy.

You might want to reconsider. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX6y1AacIWY

[Dave Lee]

>It will be very difficult to get away using a stationary bike from an
>undercover cop trying to arrest you after a drug buy.

>You might want to reconsider.
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX6y1AacIWY

Yeah - but I ordered a special flywheel with some space in the middle so I
can hide "all my pictures" :-)

dave

[thirty-six]

On Jan 20, 8:32*pm, "Dave Lee" > wrote:
> "Dave Lee" *wrote in message
>
> m...
>
>
>
> >Quick history. From an exercise perspective I am mostly either a runner (or
> >nothing). But back in the 90's I ran into some injury problems and turned
> >into a road biker (even rode in a couple of Cat IV age group events). But
> >for a number of reasons that didn't last.
> >Fast forward 15 years (and maybe more than 15 pounds) I am now neither a
> >runner or biker (retired and a golfer which I enjoy, but ...). So I need to
> >get back to a better exercise regime.
> >When I was biking I spent a goodly amount of time on a traditional sport
> >club magnetic exercise (upright) bike. So I am considering doing that again
> >(along with some weight/kettlebell work focused on what will help my golf).
> >And I am trying to make a 'spinner bike' vs. magnetic resistance bike
> >decision. I have never been on a spinner, BTW.
> >From my perspective the spinner is the obvious choice - it is more like a
> >bike (even though I have no plans to get onto the road *again). *The only
> >drawback to this choice is feedback. I am a goal motivated guy and can do
> >well when I can measure progress - stuff like run my 6 mile route faster,
> >speed on a road bike, progressive weights when lifting, etc. That works
> >quite well even with moderately priced magnetic resistance bikes (time and
> >power). I don't see how I can get this with a spinner as the resistance
> >level is kind of unknown, although I suppose you could just mark turns on
> >the resistance knob and assume that the resistance really isn't changing
> >with wear over time (doubtful).
> >Comments on this? My budget is not high - maybe $500.
> >Thanks.
> >dave
> >ps. Back in 'the days' the club that I used had Lifecycle upright bikes.
> >They were really nice in that the 'required power' was speed independent -
> >you set a level and it took a mostly fixed level of power input to make the
> >pedals turn no matter what the rpm (within limits). So you could easily
> >simulate climbing, although as my fitness improved I could max the thing
> >out. I won't be able to afford a magnetic device that would do that (nor
> >would even a high end spinner, I assume).
>
> I know that all of rbr has 'been on pause' awaiting the final decision of
> Dave Lee, barely a former Cat IV/V road biker. So here it is.
>
> I decided to take the 'compromise position' on an exercise bike, choosing
> something halfway between ...
>
> 1) An upright magnetic resistance device (I hesitate to call it a bike) -
> the advantage being quantified feedback on resistance levels, and the
> disadvantage being it is not bike-like and pretty limited outside a narrow
> range of pedaling (e.g. can't get out of the saddle or peddle at climbing
> RPM, etc).
>
> 2) A bike and trainer - no quantifiable feedback but it obviously 'is a
> bike'
>
> So I just placed an order for a Lemond Revmaster Sport spinner bike
> (obviously way out of my previously stated price range). The path to this
> point was interesting. There are a bunch of previous model Revmaster's on
> the used market at half or less vs. the new model. However they are TdF
> 'yellow jacket' yellow. So I asked my wife if she thought that it might be
> worth more money to have a better color (basically black) bike in our 3rd
> bedroom. And the rest is history :-)
>
> So I am now turning control of rbr back to the masses so they can fulfill
> rbr's mission of attacking/defending the credibility of Lance Armstrong.
>
> dave

You mean turning the heater on full in your Mom's car has another
meaning?

[Dave Lee]

"thirty-six" wrote in message
...


>You mean turning the heater on full in your Mom's car has another
>meaning?

Sorry - don't get it.

dave