Re: So, what happened to Mikey V.

[Bill Weir]

Yes, Terri Alvillar was married on October 30, 2010 so I would assume
the other man at the courthouse was her husband. In her wedding
picture she looks to be at least 20 years older than her Facebook and
real estate website photos.

Speaking of Facebook, has anyone seen Mike's Facebook photo? He's
using a picture of Saint Francis, same one shown here...

http://www.turnbacktogod.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/st-francis-of-assisi-and-birds.jpg

[Bill Sornson[_6_]]

?"Bill Weir" wrote in message
...

> Speaking of Facebook, has anyone seen Mike's Facebook photo? He's
> using a picture of Saint Francis, same one shown here...

> http://www.turnbacktogod.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/st-francis-of-assisi-and-birds.jpg

Where's the hand saw?

[Tºm Shermªn™ °_°[_2_]]

On 1/15/2011 8:01 PM, Bill Sornson wrote:
> ?"Bill Weir" wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Speaking of Facebook, has anyone seen Mike's Facebook photo? He's
>> using a picture of Saint Francis, same one shown here...
>
>> http://www.turnbacktogod.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/st-francis-of-assisi-and-birds.jpg
>>
>
> Where's the hand saw?
>

Mikey is busy drinking this beer, since it combines his love of mountain
biking with cutting down trees to make a tree fort:
<http://www.blogsmonroe.com/beer/pics/treefort.jpg>.

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

[Bruce Jensen]

On Jan 15, 7:33*pm, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net"> wrote:
> On 1/15/2011 8:01 PM, Bill Sornson wrote:
>
> > ?"Bill Weir" wrote in message
> ....
>
> >> Speaking of Facebook, has anyone seen Mike's Facebook photo? He's
> >> using a picture of Saint Francis, same one shown here...
>
> >>http://www.turnbacktogod.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/st-francis-of....
>
> > Where's the hand saw?
>
> Mikey is busy drinking this beer, since it combines his love of mountain
> biking with cutting down trees to make a tree fort:
> <http://www.blogsmonroe.com/beer/pics/treefort.jpg>.
>
> --
> Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
> I am a vehicular cyclist.

Haven't seen much of his retarded buddy Ed Dolan lately - did he
freeze to death or something?

[Tºm Shermªn™ °_°[_2_]]

On 1/24/2011 11:58 PM, Bruce Jensen wrote:
> On Jan 15, 7:33 pm, Tºm Shermªn™ °_°<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
> $southslope.net"> wrote:
>> On 1/15/2011 8:01 PM, Bill Sornson wrote:
>>
>>> ?"Bill Weir" wrote in message
>>> ...
>>
>>>> Speaking of Facebook, has anyone seen Mike's Facebook photo? He's
>>>> using a picture of Saint Francis, same one shown here...
>>
>>>> http://www.turnbacktogod.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/st-francis-of...
>>
>>> Where's the hand saw?
>>
>> Mikey is busy drinking this beer, since it combines his love of mountain
>> biking with cutting down trees to make a tree fort:
>> <http://www.blogsmonroe.com/beer/pics/treefort.jpg>.
>>
Please honor the signature separator (i.e. "-- ").
>
> Haven't seen much of his retarded buddy Ed Dolan lately - did he
> freeze to death or something?

He might have been exposed to sunlight, and turned to stone. ;)

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

[Edward Dolan]

"Tºm Shermªn™ °_°" "> wrote in
message ...
> On 1/24/2011 11:58 PM, Bruce Jensen wrote:
[...]
>> Haven't seen much of his retarded buddy Ed Dolan lately - did he
>> freeze to death or something?

All I ever see on RBS these days are the idiot posts of TM. I never read
them of course, I just delete them.

Oh, by the way, "**** you too Asshole"!

> He might have been exposed to sunlight, and turned to stone. ;)

Alas, Mr. Sherman has yet to find my sense of humor. If and when he ever
does, it will be a revelation to us all!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Bruce Jensen]

On Jan 25, 5:26*am, "Edward Dolan" > wrote:

> All I ever see on RBS these days are the idiot posts of TM. I never read
> them of course, I just delete them.
>
> Oh, by the way, "**** you too Asshole"!
>
> > He might have been exposed to sunlight, and turned to stone. ;)
>
> Alas, Mr. Sherman has yet to find my sense of humor. If and when he ever
> does, it will be a revelation to us all!
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Damn! I thought Ed was finally extinct - oh well - at least we still
have the retard-o-ness to laugh at!

With regard to humor, Tom Sherman is Samuel Langhorn Clemens compared
to Ed Dolan's brick.

[Edward Dolan]

"Bruce Jensen" > wrote in message
...
On Jan 25, 5:26 am, "Edward Dolan" > wrote:

> All I ever see on RBS these days are the idiot posts of TM. I never read
> them of course, I just delete them.
>
> Oh, by the way, "**** you too Asshole"!
>
> > He might have been exposed to sunlight, and turned to stone. ;)
>
> Alas, Mr. Sherman has yet to find my sense of humor. If and when he ever
> does, it will be a revelation to us all!

>>> Damn! I thought Ed was finally extinct - oh well - at least we still
have the retard-o-ness to laugh at!

>>> With regard to humor, Tom Sherman is Samuel Langhorn Clemens compared
to Ed Dolan's brick.

Mr. Sherman's humor is juvenile and that is the type it appeals to. My humor
is insidious and never pleasant. That is because it is adult humor and has
some point to it.

Oh, by the way, **** you too Asshole!

****ing Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Bruce Jensen]

On Jan 25, 11:08*am, "Edward Dolan" > wrote:
> "Bruce Jensen" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Jan 25, 5:26 am, "Edward Dolan" > wrote:
>
> > All I ever see on RBS these days are the idiot posts of TM. I never read
> > them of course, I just delete them.
>
> > Oh, by the way, "**** you too Asshole"!
>
> > > He might have been exposed to sunlight, and turned to stone. ;)
>
> > Alas, Mr. Sherman has yet to find my sense of humor. If and when he ever
> > does, it will be a revelation to us all!
> >>> Damn! *I thought Ed was finally extinct - oh well - at least we still
>
> have the retard-o-ness to laugh at!
>
> >>> With regard to humor, Tom Sherman is Samuel Langhorn Clemens compared
>
> to Ed Dolan's brick.
>
> Mr. Sherman's humor is juvenile and that is the type it appeals to. My humor
> is insidious and never pleasant. That is because it is adult humor and has
> some point to it.
>
> Oh, by the way, **** you too Asshole!
>
> ****ing Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Tom's humor is like a tiny sharp needle that hits you like an
invincible mosquito. You're an easy target to sting.

When *you* say "My humor" it's an oxymoron. You, OTOH, are just a
plain MORON.

[Edward Dolan]

"Bruce Jensen" > wrote in message
...
On Jan 25, 11:08 am, "Edward Dolan" > wrote:
[...]
> Mr. Sherman's humor is juvenile and that is the type it appeals to. My
> humor
> is insidious and never pleasant. That is because it is adult humor and has
> some point to it.
>
> Oh, by the way, **** you too Asshole!

>> Tom's humor is like a tiny sharp needle that hits you like an
invincible mosquito. You're an easy target to sting.

Of course his humor appeals to you since you are a juvenile yourself.

>> When *you* say "My humor" it's an oxymoron. You, OTOH, are just a
plain MORON.

Tom and I understand one another perfectly just like you and I understand
one another perfectly. Truth be told, we all all just a bunch of assholes
when it comes to these newsgroups.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Opus[_2_]]

On Jan 25, 12:38*am, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net"> wrote:
>some stuff<

Again I looked for Mikey News and found none, just a note that he's
"Pending trial" with a past-due date. Any updates from those on the
scene? Also I'm looking for something I can attribute for a quote in
my news blog about the trial.

[SMS]

On 2/17/2011 7:29 AM, Opus wrote:
> On Jan 25, 12:38 am, Tºm Shermªn™ °_°<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
> $southslope.net"> wrote:
>> some stuff<
>
> Again I looked for Mikey News and found none, just a note that he's
> "Pending trial" with a past-due date. Any updates from those on the
> scene? Also I'm looking for something I can attribute for a quote in
> my news blog about the trial.

It was a mistrial.

<http://peterfrickwright.com/trial/>

So now they start over, but the case goes to the back of the line, so it
could be a while.

What was interesting is that it was finally revealed that the defendant
was offered a plea bargain of 120 days in jail and he turned it down.

On the surface it seems like an open and shut case since no one seems to
be denying that the attack took place. But just one sympathetic juror
who believes that the attack was provoked by the mountain bikers riding
on a road signed for no bicycles could cause another mistrial. After a
few mistrials the D.A. will give up.

[Bruce Jensen]

On Feb 17, 8:23*am, SMS > wrote:
> On 2/17/2011 7:29 AM, Opus wrote:
>
> > On Jan 25, 12:38 am, Tºm Shermªn™ °_°<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
> > $southslope.net"> *wrote:
> >> some stuff<
>
> > Again I looked for Mikey News and found none, just a note that he's
> > "Pending trial" with a past-due date. Any updates from those on the
> > scene? Also I'm looking for something I can attribute for a quote in
> > my news blog about the trial.
>
> It was a mistrial.
>
> <http://peterfrickwright.com/trial/>
>
> So now they start over, but the case goes to the back of the line, so it
> could be a while.
>
> What was interesting is that it was finally revealed that the defendant
> was offered a plea bargain of 120 days in jail and he turned it down.
>
> On the surface it seems like an open and shut case since no one seems to
> be denying that the attack took place. But just one sympathetic juror
> who believes that the attack was provoked by the mountain bikers riding
> on a road signed for no bicycles could cause another mistrial. After a
> few mistrials the D.A. will give up.

I like the part about shoving a shank into the tire. The biker
deserved that much, if for no other reason than being an arrogant
asshole scofflaw.

[Edward Dolan]

"Bruce Jensen" > wrote in message
...
On Feb 17, 8:23 am, SMS > wrote:
> On 2/17/2011 7:29 AM, Opus wrote:
>
> > On Jan 25, 12:38 am, Tºm Shermªn™ °_°<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
> > $southslope.net"> wrote:
> >> some stuff<
>
> > Again I looked for Mikey News and found none, just a note that he's
> > "Pending trial" with a past-due date. Any updates from those on the
> > scene? Also I'm looking for something I can attribute for a quote in
> > my news blog about the trial.
>
> It was a mistrial.
>
> <http://peterfrickwright.com/trial/>
>
> So now they start over, but the case goes to the back of the line, so it
> could be a while.
>
> What was interesting is that it was finally revealed that the defendant
> was offered a plea bargain of 120 days in jail and he turned it down.
>
> On the surface it seems like an open and shut case since no one seems to
> be denying that the attack took place. But just one sympathetic juror
> who believes that the attack was provoked by the mountain bikers riding
> on a road signed for no bicycles could cause another mistrial. After a
> few mistrials the D.A. will give up.

>>> I like the part about shoving a shank into the tire. The biker
deserved that much, if for no other reason than being an arrogant
asshole scofflaw.

This whole affair is nothing but a tempest in a teapot. Just to know any
single mountain biker is to detest the entire species. Bruce Jenson is
finally coming around to a correct appraisal of the situation. After all, he
tells us he does NOT drive his jeep off-road, only on roads however
primitive that already exist. He is to be credited with that much common
sense at least.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Tºm Shermªn™ °_°[_2_]]

On 2/17/2011 6:33 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Bruce > wrote in message
> ...
> On Feb 17, 8:23 am, > wrote:
>> On 2/17/2011 7:29 AM, Opus wrote:
>>
>>> On Jan 25, 12:38 am, T�m Sherm�n� �_�<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
>>> $southslope.net"> wrote:
>>>> some stuff<
>>
>>> Again I looked for Mikey News and found none, just a note that he's
>>> "Pending trial" with a past-due date. Any updates from those on the
>>> scene? Also I'm looking for something I can attribute for a quote in
>>> my news blog about the trial.
>>
>> It was a mistrial.
>>
>> <http://peterfrickwright.com/trial/>
>>
>> So now they start over, but the case goes to the back of the line, so it
>> could be a while.
>>
>> What was interesting is that it was finally revealed that the defendant
>> was offered a plea bargain of 120 days in jail and he turned it down.
>>
>> On the surface it seems like an open and shut case since no one seems to
>> be denying that the attack took place. But just one sympathetic juror
>> who believes that the attack was provoked by the mountain bikers riding
>> on a road signed for no bicycles could cause another mistrial. After a
>> few mistrials the D.A. will give up.
>
>>>> I like the part about shoving a shank into the tire. The biker
> deserved that much, if for no other reason than being an arrogant
> asshole scofflaw.
>
> This whole affair is nothing but a tempest in a teapot. Just to know any
> single mountain biker is to detest the entire species. Bruce Jenson is
> finally coming around to a correct appraisal of the situation. After all, he
> tells us he does NOT drive his jeep off-road, only on roads however
> primitive that already exist. He is to be credited with that much common
> sense at least.
>
Hey Ed, I think you are confusing Bruce Jensen and Jeff Strickland.

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

[Edward Dolan]

"Tºm ShermªnT °_°" "> wrote in
message ...
> On 2/17/2011 6:33 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>> "Bruce > wrote in message
>> ...
>> On Feb 17, 8:23 am, > wrote:
>>> On 2/17/2011 7:29 AM, Opus wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jan 25, 12:38 am, T?m Sherm?n? ?_?<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
>>>> $southslope.net"> wrote:
>>>>> some stuff<
>>>
>>>> Again I looked for Mikey News and found none, just a note that he's
>>>> "Pending trial" with a past-due date. Any updates from those on the
>>>> scene? Also I'm looking for something I can attribute for a quote in
>>>> my news blog about the trial.
>>>
>>> It was a mistrial.
>>>
>>> <http://peterfrickwright.com/trial/>
>>>
>>> So now they start over, but the case goes to the back of the line, so it
>>> could be a while.
>>>
>>> What was interesting is that it was finally revealed that the defendant
>>> was offered a plea bargain of 120 days in jail and he turned it down.
>>>
>>> On the surface it seems like an open and shut case since no one seems to
>>> be denying that the attack took place. But just one sympathetic juror
>>> who believes that the attack was provoked by the mountain bikers riding
>>> on a road signed for no bicycles could cause another mistrial. After a
>>> few mistrials the D.A. will give up.
>>
>>>>> I like the part about shoving a shank into the tire. The biker
>> deserved that much, if for no other reason than being an arrogant
>> asshole scofflaw.
>>
>> This whole affair is nothing but a tempest in a teapot. Just to know any
>> single mountain biker is to detest the entire species. Bruce Jenson is
>> finally coming around to a correct appraisal of the situation. After all,
>> he
>> tells us he does NOT drive his jeep off-road, only on roads however
>> primitive that already exist. He is to be credited with that much common
>> sense at least.
>>
> Hey Ed, I think you are confusing Bruce Jensen and Jeff Strickland.

I have to laugh! Mr. Sherman is absolutely correct. That is what I like most
about him. He has a memory for what is said on these forums like no one
else. He is truly a repository of lore for these cycling newsgroups.

I have never known Bruce Jensen to be anything but an asshole, but his
remark about mountain bikers being asshole scofflaws led me astray
momentarily.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Opus[_2_]]

On Feb 17, 10:23*am, SMS > wrote:
> On 2/17/2011 7:29 AM, Opus wrote:
> > Again I looked for Mikey News and found none, just a note that he's
> > "Pending trial" with a past-due date. Any updates from those on the
> > scene? Also I'm looking for something I can attribute for a quote in
> > my news blog about the trial.
>
> It was a mistrial.
>
> <http://peterfrickwright.com/trial/>
>
> So now they start over, but the case goes to the back of the line, so it
> could be a while.
>
> What was interesting is that it was finally revealed that the defendant
> was offered a plea bargain of 120 days in jail and he turned it down.
>
> On the surface it seems like an open and shut case since no one seems to
> be denying that the attack took place. But just one sympathetic juror
> who believes that the attack was provoked by the mountain bikers riding
> on a road signed for no bicycles could cause another mistrial. After a
> few mistrials the D.A. will give up.

Eventually Mikey's going to run out of money to pay his lawyer. I
think after the second trial so long as he isn't acquitted he will
take the 120 day plea bargain.

[Bruce Jensen]

On Feb 17, 8:01*pm, "Edward Dolan" > wrote:
> "T m Sherm nT _ " "> wrote in
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 2/17/2011 6:33 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
> >> "Bruce > *wrote in message
> ....
> >> On Feb 17, 8:23 am, > *wrote:
> >>> On 2/17/2011 7:29 AM, Opus wrote:
>
> >>>> On Jan 25, 12:38 am, T?m Sherm?n? ?_?<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
> >>>> $southslope.net"> *wrote:
> >>>>> some stuff<
>
> >>>> Again I looked for Mikey News and found none, just a note that he's
> >>>> "Pending trial" with a past-due date. Any updates from those on the
> >>>> scene? Also I'm looking for something I can attribute for a quote in
> >>>> my news blog about the trial.
>
> >>> It was a mistrial.
>
> >>> <http://peterfrickwright.com/trial/>
>
> >>> So now they start over, but the case goes to the back of the line, so it
> >>> could be a while.
>
> >>> What was interesting is that it was finally revealed that the defendant
> >>> was offered a plea bargain of 120 days in jail and he turned it down.
>
> >>> On the surface it seems like an open and shut case since no one seems to
> >>> be denying that the attack took place. But just one sympathetic juror
> >>> who believes that the attack was provoked by the mountain bikers riding
> >>> on a road signed for no bicycles could cause another mistrial. After a
> >>> few mistrials the D.A. will give up.
>
> >>>>> I like the part about shoving a shank into the tire. *The biker
> >> deserved that much, if for no other reason than being an arrogant
> >> asshole scofflaw.
>
> >> This whole affair is nothing but a tempest in a teapot. Just to know any
> >> single mountain biker is to detest the entire species. Bruce Jenson is
> >> finally coming around to a correct appraisal of the situation. After all,
> >> he
> >> tells us he does NOT drive his jeep off-road, only on roads however
> >> primitive that already exist. He is to be credited with that much common
> >> sense at least.
>
> > Hey Ed, I think you are confusing Bruce Jensen and Jeff Strickland.
>
> I have to laugh! Mr. Sherman is absolutely correct. That is what I like most
> about him. He has a memory for what is said on these forums like no one
> else. He is truly a repository of lore for these cycling newsgroups.
>
> I have never known Bruce Jensen to be anything but an asshole, but his
> remark about mountain bikers being asshole scofflaws led me astray
> momentarily.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Ed Dolan is STILL a 'tard! :-D

[Bruce Jensen]

On Feb 17, 6:49*pm, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net"> wrote:
> On 2/17/2011 6:33 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Bruce > *wrote in message
> ....
> > On Feb 17, 8:23 am, > *wrote:
> >> On 2/17/2011 7:29 AM, Opus wrote:
>
> >>> On Jan 25, 12:38 am, T m Sherm n _ <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
> >>> $southslope.net"> *wrote:
> >>>> some stuff<
>
> >>> Again I looked for Mikey News and found none, just a note that he's
> >>> "Pending trial" with a past-due date. Any updates from those on the
> >>> scene? Also I'm looking for something I can attribute for a quote in
> >>> my news blog about the trial.
>
> >> It was a mistrial.
>
> >> <http://peterfrickwright.com/trial/>
>
> >> So now they start over, but the case goes to the back of the line, so it
> >> could be a while.
>
> >> What was interesting is that it was finally revealed that the defendant
> >> was offered a plea bargain of 120 days in jail and he turned it down.
>
> >> On the surface it seems like an open and shut case since no one seems to
> >> be denying that the attack took place. But just one sympathetic juror
> >> who believes that the attack was provoked by the mountain bikers riding
> >> on a road signed for no bicycles could cause another mistrial. After a
> >> few mistrials the D.A. will give up.
>
> >>>> I like the part about shoving a shank into the tire. *The biker
> > deserved that much, if for no other reason than being an arrogant
> > asshole scofflaw.
>
> > This whole affair is nothing but a tempest in a teapot. Just to know any
> > single mountain biker is to detest the entire species. Bruce Jenson is
> > finally coming around to a correct appraisal of the situation. After all, he
> > tells us he does NOT drive his jeep off-road, only on roads however
> > primitive that already exist. He is to be credited with that much common
> > sense at least.
>
> Hey Ed, I think you are confusing Bruce Jensen and Jeff Strickland.
>
> --
> Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
> I am a vehicular cyclist.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Ed Dolan confuses himself with a human.

[SMS]

On 2/18/2011 7:26 AM, Opus wrote:

> Eventually Mikey's going to run out of money to pay his lawyer. I
> think after the second trial so long as he isn't acquitted he will
> take the 120 day plea bargain.

If he's found guilty then he doesn't get to take the plea bargain. If
it's another mistrial or a hung jury then he's got to hope that the DA
tires of the case and doesn't keep trying for a conviction. I think the
potential for a hung jury is pretty high because the defense only needs
to get one bicycle-hater on the jury.

In any event he's really already lost because a) UC can still ban him
from their land no matter what the outcome of the trial (Strawberry
Canyon and the East-West fire road where the incident took place), b)
he's spent a lot of money on lawyer fees, and c) he's already spent some
time in jail, and that jail is a very unpleasant place.

He's certainly learned his lesson and will not repeat the (alleged)
behavior that got him into all this trouble. Let's be happy for that.

[Edward Dolan]

"Bruce Jensen" > wrote in message
...
[...]

> Ed Dolan confuses himself with a human.

**** you too Asshole!

****ing Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Edward Dolan]

"SMS" > wrote in message
...
> On 2/18/2011 7:26 AM, Opus wrote:
>
>> Eventually Mikey's going to run out of money to pay his lawyer. I
>> think after the second trial so long as he isn't acquitted he will
>> take the 120 day plea bargain.
>
> If he's found guilty then he doesn't get to take the plea bargain. If it's
> another mistrial or a hung jury then he's got to hope that the DA tires of
> the case and doesn't keep trying for a conviction. I think the potential
> for a hung jury is pretty high because the defense only needs to get one
> bicycle-hater on the jury.

He means "one mountain bicycle-hater" of course. Ride your bicycle on ROADS
and no one objects except possibly some motor vehicle drivers.

> In any event he's really already lost because a) UC can still ban him from
> their land no matter what the outcome of the trial (Strawberry Canyon and
> the East-West fire road where the incident took place), b) he's spent a
> lot of money on lawyer fees, and c) he's already spent some time in jail,
> and that jail is a very unpleasant place.

All of the above is nothing but sheer conjecture of course ... or is it
wishful thinking?

> He's certainly learned his lesson and will not repeat the (alleged)
> behavior that got him into all this trouble. Let's be happy for that.

Mr. Vandeman will continue his crusade against mountain biking on hiking
trails until the end of time. And I and other folks with brains in their
heads will be here to support him. Let's be happy for that!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Bob Berger[_2_]]

In article >, SMS says...
>
>On 2/18/2011 7:26 AM, Opus wrote:
>
>> Eventually Mikey's going to run out of money to pay his lawyer. I
>> think after the second trial so long as he isn't acquitted he will
>> take the 120 day plea bargain.
>
>If he's found guilty then he doesn't get to take the plea bargain. If
>it's another mistrial or a hung jury then he's got to hope that the DA
>tires of the case and doesn't keep trying for a conviction. I think the
>potential for a hung jury is pretty high because the defense only needs
>to get one bicycle-hater on the jury.
>
>In any event he's really already lost because a) UC can still ban him
>from their land no matter what the outcome of the trial (Strawberry
>Canyon and the East-West fire road where the incident took place), b)
>he's spent a lot of money on lawyer fees, and c) he's already spent some
>time in jail, and that jail is a very unpleasant place.
>
>He's certainly learned his lesson and will not repeat the (alleged)
>behavior that got him into all this trouble. Let's be happy for that.

Oh I doubt that. If the legal system doesn't stop him now, my guess is he'll
move on to something "bigger and better".

I wonder how many 30 round clips he can stuff in his pockets.

[Edward Dolan]

"Bob Berger" > wrote in message
...
[...]
> Oh I doubt that. If the legal system doesn't stop him now, my guess is
> he'll
> move on to something "bigger and better".
>
> I wonder how many 30 round clips he can stuff in his pockets.

Always a horror to hear from the peanut gallery. **** all mountain bikers
all the way to Hell and back ... and mostly especially **** Bob Berger, a
scoundrel who is evil through and through.

****ing Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[JD[_3_]]

On Feb 18, 9:10*am, SMS > wrote:
> He's certainly learned his lesson and will not repeat the (alleged)
> behavior that got him into all this trouble.

You're kidding, right?

JD

[Me]

In article >,
"Edward Dolan" > wrote:

> "Bob Berger" > wrote in message
> ...
> [...]
> > Oh I doubt that. If the legal system doesn't stop him now, my guess is
> > he'll
> > move on to something "bigger and better".
> >
> > I wonder how many 30 round clips he can stuff in his pockets.
>
> Always a horror to hear from the peanut gallery. **** all mountain bikers
> all the way to Hell and back ... and mostly especially **** Bob Berger, a
> scoundrel who is evil through and through.
>
> ****ing Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Oh, No you have done it Bob.... You have incurred the rathe of Edward
the Great... a NoAccount of no Note, who frequents the Newsgroups here
a-bouts, with his whity comments, and seems to have a rather loose
Sexual Preference.... Just watch yourself... He just might be in league
with those Buffalo Campaign idiots..... and we ALL Know how dangerous
they were...

Me One who can recognize Lunacy in all its forms....

[Edward Dolan]

"Me" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Edward Dolan" > wrote:
>
>> "Bob Berger" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> [...]
>> > Oh I doubt that. If the legal system doesn't stop him now, my guess is
>> > he'll
>> > move on to something "bigger and better".
>> >
>> > I wonder how many 30 round clips he can stuff in his pockets.
>>
>> Always a horror to hear from the peanut gallery. **** all mountain bikers
>> all the way to Hell and back ... and mostly especially **** Bob Berger, a
>> scoundrel who is evil through and through.
>
> Oh, No you have done it Bob.... You have incurred the rathe of Edward
> the Great... a NoAccount of no Note, who frequents the Newsgroups here
> a-bouts, with his whity comments, and seems to have a rather loose
> Sexual Preference.... Just watch yourself... He just might be in league
> with those Buffalo Campaign idiots..... and we ALL Know how dangerous
> they were...
>
> Me One who can recognize Lunacy in all its forms....

Nope, you can't. If you could you would realize that anyone who blathers
about 30 round clips is as crazy as you are.

But in any event, you are an anonymous ****head who hides behind a user
name. Your cowardice speaks for itself.

****ing Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[VtSkier]

On 02/19/2011 12:06 AM, Edward Dolan wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 2/18/2011 7:26 AM, Opus wrote:
>>
>>> Eventually Mikey's going to run out of money to pay his lawyer. I
>>> think after the second trial so long as he isn't acquitted he will
>>> take the 120 day plea bargain.
>>
>> If he's found guilty then he doesn't get to take the plea bargain. If it's
>> another mistrial or a hung jury then he's got to hope that the DA tires of
>> the case and doesn't keep trying for a conviction. I think the potential
>> for a hung jury is pretty high because the defense only needs to get one
>> bicycle-hater on the jury.
>
> He means "one mountain bicycle-hater" of course. Ride your bicycle on ROADS
> and no one objects except possibly some motor vehicle drivers.
>
>> In any event he's really already lost because a) UC can still ban him from
>> their land no matter what the outcome of the trial (Strawberry Canyon and
>> the East-West fire road where the incident took place), b) he's spent a
>> lot of money on lawyer fees, and c) he's already spent some time in jail,
>> and that jail is a very unpleasant place.
>
> All of the above is nothing but sheer conjecture of course ... or is it
> wishful thinking?
>
>> He's certainly learned his lesson and will not repeat the (alleged)
>> behavior that got him into all this trouble. Let's be happy for that.
>
> Mr. Vandeman will continue his crusade against mountain biking on hiking
> trails until the end of time. And I and other folks with brains in their
> heads will be here to support him. Let's be happy for that!
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>
I'm sorry Ed, but I've been reading this newsgroup
for quite some time. If Mr. V would keep his "crusade
against mountain biking on hiking trails" to just that
I, and many of us would have no quarrel at all with him.

What irks us is that his crusade is really against
all mountain bikes and people who ride them. You,
except for your unreasoning admiration for Mr. V
seem to be fairly reasonable on this subject.

[Bob Berger[_2_]]

In article >, Me says...
>
>In article >,
> "Edward Dolan" > wrote:
>
>> "Bob Berger" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> [...]
>> > Oh I doubt that. If the legal system doesn't stop him now, my guess is
>> > he'll
>> > move on to something "bigger and better".
>> >
>> > I wonder how many 30 round clips he can stuff in his pockets.
>>
>> Always a horror to hear from the peanut gallery. **** all mountain bikers
>> all the way to Hell and back ... and mostly especially **** Bob Berger, a
>> scoundrel who is evil through and through.
>>
>> ****ing Regards,
>>
>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>> aka
>> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>Oh, No you have done it Bob.... You have incurred the rathe of Edward
>the Great... a NoAccount of no Note, who frequents the Newsgroups here
>a-bouts, with his whity comments, and seems to have a rather loose
>Sexual Preference.... Just watch yourself... He just might be in league
>with those Buffalo Campaign idiots..... and we ALL Know how dangerous
>they were...

Hmmm... Good point. I hadn't thought of the BFC analogy, though I've had quite a
bit of experience with those loons. (Hell, I'm even on their list of potential
contributors).

>Me One who can recognize Lunacy in all its forms....

[Edward Dolan]

"Bob Berger" > wrote in message
...

Edward Dolan wrote:

>>> Always a horror to hear from the peanut gallery. **** all mountain
>>> bikers
>>> all the way to Hell and back ... and mostly especially **** Bob Berger,
>>> a
>>> scoundrel who is evil through and through.

Some Asshole wrote:

>>Oh, No you have done it Bob.... You have incurred the rathe of Edward
>>the Great... a NoAccount of no Note, who frequents the Newsgroups here
>>a-bouts, with his whity comments, and seems to have a rather loose
>>Sexual Preference.... Just watch yourself... He just might be in league
>>with those Buffalo Campaign idiots..... and we ALL Know how dangerous
>>they were...
>
> Hmmm... Good point. I hadn't thought of the BFC analogy, though I've had
> quite a
> bit of experience with those loons. (Hell, I'm even on their list of
> potential
> contributors).

You smarmy lagerlout git. You bloody woofter sod. Bugger off, pillock.
You grotty wanking oik artless base-court apple-john. You clouted boggish
foot-licking twit. You dankish clack-dish plonker. You gormless
crook-pated tosser. You churlish boil-brained clotpole ponce. You
cockered bum-bailey poofter. You craven dewberry ****head cockup pratting
naff. You gob-kissing gleeking flap-mouthed coxcomb. You dread-bolted
fobbing beef-witted clapper-clawed flirt-gill.

****ing Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Peter Clinch]

On 18/02/11 17:10, SMS wrote:

> He's certainly learned his lesson and will not repeat the (alleged)
> behavior that got him into all this trouble. Let's be happy for that.

I'd be happy if that were the case, but.. for some values of
"certainly"... Where has he ever showed any ability to learn about
realities of cycling and cyclists before now?

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

[VtSkier]

On 02/20/2011 05:42 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 02/19/2011 12:06 AM, Edward Dolan wrote:
> [...]
>>> Mr. Vandeman will continue his crusade against mountain biking on hiking
>>> trails until the end of time. And I and other folks with brains in their
>>> heads will be here to support him. Let's be happy for that!
>>>
>> I'm sorry Ed, but I've been reading this newsgroup
>> for quite some time. If Mr. V would keep his "crusade
>> against mountain biking on hiking trails" to just that
>> I, and many of us would have no quarrel at all with him.
>>
>> What irks us is that his crusade is really against
>> all mountain bikes and people who ride them. You,
>> except for your unreasoning admiration for Mr. V
>> seem to be fairly reasonable on this subject.
>
> Mr. Vandeman is a purist and I am not. Frankly, I think the world is going
> to Hell and there is not much any of us can do to save it. Mr. Vandeman's
> esthete does not bother me because I know it is doomed. But still it is nice
> to see high standards being upheld by someone.
>
> In the end, it is only a few wilderness areas that will be preserved.
> Everything else will be given over to the most crass use of recreation. In a
> few more generations, there will be nothing left. Mr. Vandeman is an
> optimist and I am a pessimist. Never the twain shall meet.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>
So if you want to get into a philosophical discussion.

I also see the world going to hell. But the future I see is quite
different from seeing those who would put all of nature into a
recreation park. Here's what I see. This was written in response
to a friend of mine inviting me to joint a million people all
having the same thoughts (a new agey kind of thing) about peace
and equality of all people to take place on November 11 of last
year. Also, while I'm not particularly a believer in Abrahamic
religions, I was raised in the traditions so I know the
literature. I also live in a beautiful place as I suspect that
you do also.

----------------------Begin quoting myself:

A proper response requires a book. I may write it someday but not yet. I
may leave it for someone else to write.

A million people is a drop in the bucket.

I have a great problem with the transmission of psychic energy as
proposed by mystics.

Nobody really wants to change the status quo. They just want it to
pertain to more people. And that's the problem.

There is a passage in Matthew
25 “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will
eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more
than food, and the body more than clothes? 26 Look at the birds of the
air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your
heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27
Can any one of you by worrying add a single hour to your life[e]?

28 “And why do you worry about clothes? See how the flowers of the
field grow. They do not labor or spin.29 Yet I tell you that not even
Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. 30 If that is
how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow
is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you—you of little
faith? 31 So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall
we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For the pagans run after all
these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33 But
seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will
be given to you as well. 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for
tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own."

There is also Daniel Quinn's retelling of the Genesis story of Eden and
Cain and Abel.

Humans have an animal nature. When, also being self-aware, they decided
that they could circumvent that nature all hell broke loose
(literally/actually). We survived several million years with "enough".
The release from that concept created both its opposite and its
culmination, poverty and wealth. Poverty is "not enough" and wealth is
"too much". Having not enough causes an individual to want more. Too
much causes an individual to want more. Those with too much also have
power. Power is the invention of the poverty/wealth dichotomy.

To change the human paradigm we must re-define the concept of "enough",
provide every human on earth with that, no more no less. It's possible,
the concept of poverty/wealth has only been with us for maybe 12,000
years out of several million that we've been here.

That being said, a million people thinking the same thought is not going
to change anything. There are what, almost 7 billion people on Earth?
And growing? Most with not enough? It's not going to change given our
current political atmosphere any where on the globe. That many people is
an unsustainable number. There is no way that many people will ever have
enough. It's not possible.

Technology won't do it either. There will be a population tipping point
and it will crash. This will change the paradigm. Whether we like it or
not. When will this happen? I don't know. Technology is keeping us
afloat for the nonce, but it won't continue forever. It will crash.

You and I can take heart that we won't see it. We will finish our lives
in a place of beauty with enough. Our kids? They may be in danger but
probably not. Our grandkids are getting closer. A hundred years? Maybe,
or a thousand years. My prediction is somewhere between the two.

Now there will be survivors. Those who recognize the probability that
there will be a population crash should be quietly developing survival
skills which will work where they are now. The need in many areas will
be to learn a subsistence form of farming which will allow small groups
to survive and prosper with "enough". There needs be no "cash crops" or
other forms for trade, there won't be any.

Learn "enough". Throw out anyone who claims to speak for God, either as
a political leader or a religious leader. Tend your garden, love your
family, respect your community and obey the law of nature.

----------------------End quoting myself.

[(PeteCresswell)]

Per VtSkier:
>So if you want to get into a philosophical discussion.
>
>I also see the world going to hell. But the future I see is quite
>different from seeing those who would put all of nature into a
>recreation park. Here's what I see. This was written in response
>to a friend of mine inviting me to joint a million people all
>having the same thoughts (a new agey kind of thing) about peace

I'm another cynic/pessimist.

But I temper it with the story about the inventor in the 1800's
that supposedly committed suicide because there was nothing left
to invent.
--
PeteCresswell

[Tºm Shermªn™ °_°[_2_]]

On 2/21/2011 10:27 AM, VtSkier wrote:
> On 02/20/2011 05:42 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 02/19/2011 12:06 AM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>> [...]
>>>> Mr. Vandeman will continue his crusade against mountain biking on
>>>> hiking
>>>> trails until the end of time. And I and other folks with brains in
>>>> their
>>>> heads will be here to support him. Let's be happy for that!
>>>>
>>> I'm sorry Ed, but I've been reading this newsgroup
>>> for quite some time. If Mr. V would keep his "crusade
>>> against mountain biking on hiking trails" to just that
>>> I, and many of us would have no quarrel at all with him.
>>>
>>> What irks us is that his crusade is really against
>>> all mountain bikes and people who ride them. You,
>>> except for your unreasoning admiration for Mr. V
>>> seem to be fairly reasonable on this subject.
>>
>> Mr. Vandeman is a purist and I am not. Frankly, I think the world is
>> going
>> to Hell and there is not much any of us can do to save it. Mr. Vandeman's
>> esthete does not bother me because I know it is doomed. But still it
>> is nice
>> to see high standards being upheld by someone.
>>
>> In the end, it is only a few wilderness areas that will be preserved.
>> Everything else will be given over to the most crass use of
>> recreation. In a
>> few more generations, there will be nothing left. Mr. Vandeman is an
>> optimist and I am a pessimist. Never the twain shall meet.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>> aka
>> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>>
>>
> So if you want to get into a philosophical discussion.
>
> I also see the world going to hell. But the future I see is quite
> different from seeing those who would put all of nature into a
> recreation park. Here's what I see. This was written in response
> to a friend of mine inviting me to joint a million people all
> having the same thoughts (a new agey kind of thing) about peace
> and equality of all people to take place on November 11 of last
> year. Also, while I'm not particularly a believer in Abrahamic
> religions, I was raised in the traditions so I know the
> literature. I also live in a beautiful place as I suspect that
> you do also.
>
> ----------------------Begin quoting myself:
>
> A proper response requires a book. I may write it someday but not yet. I
> may leave it for someone else to write.
>
> A million people is a drop in the bucket.
>
> I have a great problem with the transmission of psychic energy as
> proposed by mystics.
>
> Nobody really wants to change the status quo. They just want it to
> pertain to more people. And that's the problem.
>
> There is a passage in Matthew
> 25 “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will
> eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more
> than food, and the body more than clothes? 26 Look at the birds of the
> air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your
> heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27
> Can any one of you by worrying add a single hour to your life[e]?
>
> 28 “And why do you worry about clothes? See how the flowers of the field
> grow. They do not labor or spin.29 Yet I tell you that not even Solomon
> in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. 30 If that is how God
> clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is
> thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you—you of little
> faith? 31 So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall
> we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For the pagans run after all
> these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33 But
> seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will
> be given to you as well. 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for
> tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own."
>
> There is also Daniel Quinn's retelling of the Genesis story of Eden and
> Cain and Abel.
>
> Humans have an animal nature. When, also being self-aware, they decided
> that they could circumvent that nature all hell broke loose
> (literally/actually). We survived several million years with "enough".
> The release from that concept created both its opposite and its
> culmination, poverty and wealth. Poverty is "not enough" and wealth is
> "too much". Having not enough causes an individual to want more. Too
> much causes an individual to want more. Those with too much also have
> power. Power is the invention of the poverty/wealth dichotomy.
>
> To change the human paradigm we must re-define the concept of "enough",
> provide every human on earth with that, no more no less. It's possible,
> the concept of poverty/wealth has only been with us for maybe 12,000
> years out of several million that we've been here.
>
> That being said, a million people thinking the same thought is not going
> to change anything. There are what, almost 7 billion people on Earth?
> And growing? Most with not enough? It's not going to change given our
> current political atmosphere any where on the globe. That many people is
> an unsustainable number. There is no way that many people will ever have
> enough. It's not possible.
>
> Technology won't do it either. There will be a population tipping point
> and it will crash. This will change the paradigm. Whether we like it or
> not. When will this happen? I don't know. Technology is keeping us
> afloat for the nonce, but it won't continue forever. It will crash.
>
> You and I can take heart that we won't see it. We will finish our lives
> in a place of beauty with enough. Our kids? They may be in danger but
> probably not. Our grandkids are getting closer. A hundred years? Maybe,
> or a thousand years. My prediction is somewhere between the two.
>
> Now there will be survivors. Those who recognize the probability that
> there will be a population crash should be quietly developing survival
> skills which will work where they are now. The need in many areas will
> be to learn a subsistence form of farming which will allow small groups
> to survive and prosper with "enough". There needs be no "cash crops" or
> other forms for trade, there won't be any.
>
> Learn "enough". Throw out anyone who claims to speak for God, either as
> a political leader or a religious leader. Tend your garden, love your
> family, respect your community and obey the law of nature.
>
> ----------------------End quoting myself.

The elites have plans to survive, while most of the "worthless eaters"
(the other 99%) die off. That is why those with real power are doing
nothing to stop global climate change or ecological depletion.

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

[VtSkier]

On 02/21/2011 07:50 PM, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° > wrote:
> On 2/21/2011 10:27 AM, VtSkier wrote:
>> On 02/20/2011 05:42 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>>> > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 02/19/2011 12:06 AM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>>> Mr. Vandeman will continue his crusade against mountain biking on
>>>>> hiking
>>>>> trails until the end of time. And I and other folks with brains in
>>>>> their
>>>>> heads will be here to support him. Let's be happy for that!
>>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry Ed, but I've been reading this newsgroup
>>>> for quite some time. If Mr. V would keep his "crusade
>>>> against mountain biking on hiking trails" to just that
>>>> I, and many of us would have no quarrel at all with him.
>>>>
>>>> What irks us is that his crusade is really against
>>>> all mountain bikes and people who ride them. You,
>>>> except for your unreasoning admiration for Mr. V
>>>> seem to be fairly reasonable on this subject.
>>>
>>> Mr. Vandeman is a purist and I am not. Frankly, I think the world is
>>> going
>>> to Hell and there is not much any of us can do to save it. Mr.
>>> Vandeman's
>>> esthete does not bother me because I know it is doomed. But still it
>>> is nice
>>> to see high standards being upheld by someone.
>>>
>>> In the end, it is only a few wilderness areas that will be preserved.
>>> Everything else will be given over to the most crass use of
>>> recreation. In a
>>> few more generations, there will be nothing left. Mr. Vandeman is an
>>> optimist and I am a pessimist. Never the twain shall meet.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>>> aka
>>> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>>>
>>>
>> So if you want to get into a philosophical discussion.
>>
>> I also see the world going to hell. But the future I see is quite
>> different from seeing those who would put all of nature into a
>> recreation park. Here's what I see. This was written in response
>> to a friend of mine inviting me to joint a million people all
>> having the same thoughts (a new agey kind of thing) about peace
>> and equality of all people to take place on November 11 of last
>> year. Also, while I'm not particularly a believer in Abrahamic
>> religions, I was raised in the traditions so I know the
>> literature. I also live in a beautiful place as I suspect that
>> you do also.
>>
>> ----------------------Begin quoting myself:
>>
>> A proper response requires a book. I may write it someday but not yet. I
>> may leave it for someone else to write.
>>
>> A million people is a drop in the bucket.
>>
>> I have a great problem with the transmission of psychic energy as
>> proposed by mystics.
>>
>> Nobody really wants to change the status quo. They just want it to
>> pertain to more people. And that's the problem.
>>
>> There is a passage in Matthew
>> 25 “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will
>> eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more
>> than food, and the body more than clothes? 26 Look at the birds of the
>> air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your
>> heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27
>> Can any one of you by worrying add a single hour to your life[e]?
>>
>> 28 “And why do you worry about clothes? See how the flowers of the field
>> grow. They do not labor or spin.29 Yet I tell you that not even Solomon
>> in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. 30 If that is how God
>> clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is
>> thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you—you of little
>> faith? 31 So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall
>> we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For the pagans run after all
>> these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33 But
>> seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will
>> be given to you as well. 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for
>> tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its
>> own."
>>
>> There is also Daniel Quinn's retelling of the Genesis story of Eden and
>> Cain and Abel.
>>
>> Humans have an animal nature. When, also being self-aware, they decided
>> that they could circumvent that nature all hell broke loose
>> (literally/actually). We survived several million years with "enough".
>> The release from that concept created both its opposite and its
>> culmination, poverty and wealth. Poverty is "not enough" and wealth is
>> "too much". Having not enough causes an individual to want more. Too
>> much causes an individual to want more. Those with too much also have
>> power. Power is the invention of the poverty/wealth dichotomy.
>>
>> To change the human paradigm we must re-define the concept of "enough",
>> provide every human on earth with that, no more no less. It's possible,
>> the concept of poverty/wealth has only been with us for maybe 12,000
>> years out of several million that we've been here.
>>
>> That being said, a million people thinking the same thought is not going
>> to change anything. There are what, almost 7 billion people on Earth?
>> And growing? Most with not enough? It's not going to change given our
>> current political atmosphere any where on the globe. That many people is
>> an unsustainable number. There is no way that many people will ever have
>> enough. It's not possible.
>>
>> Technology won't do it either. There will be a population tipping point
>> and it will crash. This will change the paradigm. Whether we like it or
>> not. When will this happen? I don't know. Technology is keeping us
>> afloat for the nonce, but it won't continue forever. It will crash.
>>
>> You and I can take heart that we won't see it. We will finish our lives
>> in a place of beauty with enough. Our kids? They may be in danger but
>> probably not. Our grandkids are getting closer. A hundred years? Maybe,
>> or a thousand years. My prediction is somewhere between the two.
>>
>> Now there will be survivors. Those who recognize the probability that
>> there will be a population crash should be quietly developing survival
>> skills which will work where they are now. The need in many areas will
>> be to learn a subsistence form of farming which will allow small groups
>> to survive and prosper with "enough". There needs be no "cash crops" or
>> other forms for trade, there won't be any.
>>
>> Learn "enough". Throw out anyone who claims to speak for God, either as
>> a political leader or a religious leader. Tend your garden, love your
>> family, respect your community and obey the law of nature.
>>
>> ----------------------End quoting myself.
>
> The elites have plans to survive, while most of the "worthless eaters"
> (the other 99%) die off. That is why those with real power are doing
> nothing to stop global climate change or ecological depletion.
>
Well, if the "worthless eaters" die off, there will
be nothing/no one left to exploit. Who takes out the
trash, for instance.

I don't see it that way. The elites will die off
as quickly as anyone else, especially if they don't
have any survival skills, like farming, AND there
won't be anyone left to do it for them.

[Edward Dolan]

"VtSkier" > wrote in message
...
> On 02/20/2011 05:42 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 02/19/2011 12:06 AM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>> [...]
>>>> Mr. Vandeman will continue his crusade against mountain biking on
>>>> hiking
>>>> trails until the end of time. And I and other folks with brains in
>>>> their
>>>> heads will be here to support him. Let's be happy for that!
>>>>
>>> I'm sorry Ed, but I've been reading this newsgroup
>>> for quite some time. If Mr. V would keep his "crusade
>>> against mountain biking on hiking trails" to just that
>>> I, and many of us would have no quarrel at all with him.
>>>
>>> What irks us is that his crusade is really against
>>> all mountain bikes and people who ride them. You,
>>> except for your unreasoning admiration for Mr. V
>>> seem to be fairly reasonable on this subject.
>>
>> Mr. Vandeman is a purist and I am not. Frankly, I think the world is
>> going
>> to Hell and there is not much any of us can do to save it. Mr. Vandeman's
>> esthete does not bother me because I know it is doomed. But still it is
>> nice
>> to see high standards being upheld by someone.
>>
>> In the end, it is only a few wilderness areas that will be preserved.
>> Everything else will be given over to the most crass use of recreation.
>> In a
>> few more generations, there will be nothing left. Mr. Vandeman is an
>> optimist and I am a pessimist. Never the twain shall meet.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>> aka
>> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>>
>>
> So if you want to get into a philosophical discussion.
>
> I also see the world going to hell. But the future I see is quite
> different from seeing those who would put all of nature into a
> recreation park. Here's what I see. This was written in response
> to a friend of mine inviting me to joint a million people all
> having the same thoughts (a new agey kind of thing) about peace
> and equality of all people to take place on November 11 of last
> year. Also, while I'm not particularly a believer in Abrahamic
> religions, I was raised in the traditions so I know the
> literature. I also live in a beautiful place as I suspect that
> you do also.
>
> ----------------------Begin quoting myself:
>
> A proper response requires a book. I may write it someday but not yet. I
> may leave it for someone else to write.
>
> A million people is a drop in the bucket.
>
> I have a great problem with the transmission of psychic energy as proposed
> by mystics.
>
> Nobody really wants to change the status quo. They just want it to pertain
> to more people. And that's the problem.
>
> There is a passage in Matthew
> 25 “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat
> or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more than
> food, and the body more than clothes? 26 Look at the birds of the air;
> they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly
> Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27 Can any
> one of you by worrying add a single hour to your life[e]?
>
> 28 “And why do you worry about clothes? See how the flowers of the
> field grow. They do not labor or spin.29 Yet I tell you that not even
> Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. 30 If that is
> how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow
> is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you—you of little
> faith? 31 So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we
> drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For the pagans run after all these
> things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33 But seek
> first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be
> given to you as well. 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for
> tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own."
>
> There is also Daniel Quinn's retelling of the Genesis story of Eden and
> Cain and Abel.
>
> Humans have an animal nature. When, also being self-aware, they decided
> that they could circumvent that nature all hell broke loose
> (literally/actually). We survived several million years with "enough". The
> release from that concept created both its opposite and its culmination,
> poverty and wealth. Poverty is "not enough" and wealth is "too much".
> Having not enough causes an individual to want more. Too much causes an
> individual to want more. Those with too much also have power. Power is the
> invention of the poverty/wealth dichotomy.
>
> To change the human paradigm we must re-define the concept of "enough",
> provide every human on earth with that, no more no less. It's possible,
> the concept of poverty/wealth has only been with us for maybe 12,000 years
> out of several million that we've been here.
>
> That being said, a million people thinking the same thought is not going
> to change anything. There are what, almost 7 billion people on Earth? And
> growing? Most with not enough? It's not going to change given our current
> political atmosphere any where on the globe. That many people is an
> unsustainable number. There is no way that many people will ever have
> enough. It's not possible.
>
> Technology won't do it either. There will be a population tipping point
> and it will crash. This will change the paradigm. Whether we like it or
> not. When will this happen? I don't know. Technology is keeping us afloat
> for the nonce, but it won't continue forever. It will crash.
>
> You and I can take heart that we won't see it. We will finish our lives in
> a place of beauty with enough. Our kids? They may be in danger but
> probably not. Our grandkids are getting closer. A hundred years? Maybe, or
> a thousand years. My prediction is somewhere between the two.
>
> Now there will be survivors. Those who recognize the probability that
> there will be a population crash should be quietly developing survival
> skills which will work where they are now. The need in many areas will be
> to learn a subsistence form of farming which will allow small groups to
> survive and prosper with "enough". There needs be no "cash crops" or other
> forms for trade, there won't be any.
>
> Learn "enough". Throw out anyone who claims to speak for God, either as a
> political leader or a religious leader. Tend your garden, love your
> family, respect your community and obey the law of nature.
>
> ----------------------End quoting myself.

I agree! The future looks grim. Glad I won't be here to experience it.
Instead, I will be resting peacefully in the local cemetery.

By the way, expressions of philosophy on Usenet must be short and to the
point. No one will ever read anything the least bit longwinded.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Edward Dolan]

"VtSkier" > wrote in message
...
> On 02/21/2011 07:50 PM, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° > wrote:
[...]
>> The elites have plans to survive, while most of the "worthless eaters"
>> (the other 99%) die off. That is why those with real power are doing
>> nothing to stop global climate change or ecological depletion.
>>
> Well, if the "worthless eaters" die off, there will
> be nothing/no one left to exploit. Who takes out the
> trash, for instance.
>
> I don't see it that way. The elites will die off
> as quickly as anyone else, especially if they don't
> have any survival skills, like farming, AND there
> won't be anyone left to do it for them.

Yo have surely got that right VtSkier!

It is no fun being rich if you do not also have power over others. In fact,
liberals-socialists-communists would rather have power over others than be
rich. That is how it has played out everywhere it has been tried. But try to
convince Tom Sherman of that. Nope, it can't be done because he is an
ideologue. It is one of the worst diseases that the human mind is prey to.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Edward Dolan]

"Peter Clinch" > wrote in message
...
> On 18/02/11 17:10, SMS wrote:
>
>> He's certainly learned his lesson and will not repeat the (alleged)
>> behavior that got him into all this trouble. Let's be happy for that.
>
> I'd be happy if that were the case, but.. for some values of
> "certainly"... Where has he ever showed any ability to learn about
> realities of cycling and cyclists before now?

Mr. Vandeman and I are convinced that mountain bikes have no place on hiking
trails. Nothing is ever going to persuade us any differently. Is that clear
enough!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Moderate]

"Tºm Shermªn™ °_°" "> wrote in
message ...
>
> The elites have plans to survive, while most of the "worthless eaters"
> (the other 99%) die off. That is why those with real power are doing
> nothing to stop global climate change or ecological depletion.

The elites :-) I love the smell of a good conspiracy theory in the morning.

There isn't much we can do about the global climate change. Mother Nature
and all that. Slowing the population growth is the only solution to
ecological depletion. Figure out a way to stop every third world country
from ****ting out so many kids and you will have accomplished something.

[SMS]

On 2/20/2011 1:31 PM, VtSkier wrote:

> I'm sorry Ed, but I've been reading this newsgroup
> for quite some time. If Mr. V would keep his "crusade
> against mountain biking on hiking trails" to just that
> I, and many of us would have no quarrel at all with him.

The alleged incident did not take place on a hiking trail, it took place
on a fire road that is signed for no bicycles. There's a big difference
actually. A lot of private land owners that permit public access put up
such signs for liability protection. Without such signs, someone gets
hurt and can claim that the landowner did not warn people about the
condition of the roads.

> What irks us is that his crusade is really against
> all mountain bikes and people who ride them. You,
> except for your unreasoning admiration for Mr. V
> seem to be fairly reasonable on this subject.

Vandeman's goal of protecting wilderness has merit. But he's so
_incredibly_ confused about the relative impacts of different activities
on wilderness. Every study on the subject has shown that the impact of
mountain bikers is not any more than the impact of hikers, and less than
that of equestrians, and actually the mountain bike impact is often less
than that of hikers. Vandeman should be redirecting his time and energy
into campaigning against snowmobiles and other motorized off-road vehicles.

The reality is that hikers often make trails unpleasant for use by
mountain bikers and vice-versa. They have to learn to share somehow.
Scheduling some days for each group of users would be fair. It's not a
question of who was there first.

[Moderate]

"SMS" > wrote in message
...
>
> Vandeman's goal of protecting wilderness has merit. But he's so
> _incredibly_ confused about the relative impacts of different activities
> on wilderness. Every study on the subject has shown that the impact of
> mountain bikers is not any more than the impact of hikers, and less than
> that of equestrians, and actually the mountain bike impact is often less
> than that of hikers. Vandeman should be redirecting his time and energy
> into campaigning against snowmobiles and other motorized off-road
> vehicles.
>
> The reality is that hikers often make trails unpleasant for use by
> mountain bikers and vice-versa. They have to learn to share somehow.
> Scheduling some days for each group of users would be fair. It's not a
> question of who was there first.

I agree that Vandeman's actions may hurt the cause more than help.

Where did your find studies of mountain bike impact on the environment? My
observation is that bicycles cause more erosion than foot traffic and the
number of cyclists doing trail maintenance is far less than the number of
hikers doing trail maintenance.

[Brad Anders]

FYI, if you're wondering where the beginning of Vandeman's obsession
with MTB's came from, it was due to a single encounter with MTB riders
on a trail Vandeman was hiking on in the early 1990's. Combined with
his failure to generate any interest in his anti-automobile positions,
and his generally obsessive nature on any environmental topic, he
latched on to this as an "early adopter" against MTB's. He's not
interested in the impacts of equestrians or off-road vehicles, because
in those areas, he doesn't seem himself as a pioneer and a leader,
because many others were ahead of him.

BTW, one of the things that I had to laugh about when I saw Peter's
blog about his defense opening statement is how the attorney
emphasized his employment with Pac Bell for 20+ years as an example of
what a stable citizen he is. Every time we confronted Vandeman with
the fact that his employer destroyed miles of habitat and killed
thousands of trees (telephone poles) and caused far more damage in
California than all MTB'ers combined, he would dodge the issue by
saying "You don't know where I work!". Well, Mike, now that it's
public record, I guess it's time for you to answer those questions we
posed so long ago.

I'm not holding my breath.

[VtSkier]

On 02/22/2011 08:46 AM, Moderate wrote:
> "Tºm Shermªn™ "> wrote in
> message ...
>>
>> The elites have plans to survive, while most of the "worthless eaters"
>> (the other 99%) die off. That is why those with real power are doing
>> nothing to stop global climate change or ecological depletion.
>
> The elites :-) I love the smell of a good conspiracy theory in the morning.
>
> There isn't much we can do about the global climate change. Mother Nature
> and all that. Slowing the population growth is the only solution to
> ecological depletion. Figure out a way to stop every third world country
> from ****ting out so many kids and you will have accomplished something.
>
>
Having lots of kids in a third world country is
Social Security.

You have lots of kids so that at least one of them
will take care of you in your old age.

I don't have an answer for this. Do you?

[Edward Dolan]

"SMS" > wrote in message
...
[...]
> The reality is that hikers often make trails unpleasant for use by
> mountain bikers and vice-versa. They have to learn to share somehow.
> Scheduling some days for each group of users would be fair. It's not a
> question of who was there first.

Mountain bikers need their own trails. They ruin hiking trails as Mr.
Vandeman has well stated.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Edward Dolan]

"Brad Anders" > wrote in message
...
> FYI, if you're wondering where the beginning of Vandeman's obsession
> with MTB's came from, it was due to a single encounter with MTB riders
> on a trail Vandeman was hiking on in the early 1990's. Combined with
> his failure to generate any interest in his anti-automobile positions,
> and his generally obsessive nature on any environmental topic, he
> latched on to this as an "early adopter" against MTB's. He's not
> interested in the impacts of equestrians or off-road vehicles, because
> in those areas, he doesn't seem himself as a pioneer and a leader,
> because many others were ahead of him.

The hell you say! How do we know you are not lying?

> BTW, one of the things that I had to laugh about when I saw Peter's
> blog about his defense opening statement is how the attorney
> emphasized his employment with Pac Bell for 20+ years as an example of
> what a stable citizen he is. Every time we confronted Vandeman with
> the fact that his employer destroyed miles of habitat and killed
> thousands of trees (telephone poles) and caused far more damage in
> California than all MTB'ers combined, he would dodge the issue by
> saying "You don't know where I work!". Well, Mike, now that it's
> public record, I guess it's time for you to answer those questions we
> posed so long ago.

The hell you say! How do we know you are not lying?

> I'm not holding my breath.

Go ahead and choke to death. Just one less mountain biker in the world.

****ing Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Bob Berger[_2_]]

In article >, VtSkier says...
>
>On 02/22/2011 08:46 AM, Moderate wrote:
>> "Tºm Shermªn™ "> wrote in
>> message ...
>>>
>>> The elites have plans to survive, while most of the "worthless eaters"
>>> (the other 99%) die off. That is why those with real power are doing
>>> nothing to stop global climate change or ecological depletion.
>>
>> The elites :-) I love the smell of a good conspiracy theory in the morning.
>>
>> There isn't much we can do about the global climate change. Mother Nature
>> and all that. Slowing the population growth is the only solution to
>> ecological depletion. Figure out a way to stop every third world country
>> from ****ting out so many kids and you will have accomplished something.
>>
>>
>Having lots of kids in a third world country is
>Social Security.
>
>You have lots of kids so that at least one of them
>will take care of you in your old age.
>
>I don't have an answer for this. Do you?

Easy answer. These third worlders need to decrease the number of offspring they
generate, and increase their efforts to illegally immigrate to the US. :-)

[Moderate]

"VtSkier" > wrote in message
...
> On 02/22/2011 08:46 AM, Moderate wrote:
>> "Tºm Shermªn™ "> wrote in
>> message ...
>>>
>>> The elites have plans to survive, while most of the "worthless eaters"
>>> (the other 99%) die off. That is why those with real power are doing
>>> nothing to stop global climate change or ecological depletion.
>>
>> The elites :-) I love the smell of a good conspiracy theory in the
>> morning.
>>
>> There isn't much we can do about the global climate change. Mother
>> Nature
>> and all that. Slowing the population growth is the only solution to
>> ecological depletion. Figure out a way to stop every third world country
>> from ****ting out so many kids and you will have accomplished something.
>>
>>
> Having lots of kids in a third world country is
> Social Security.
>
> You have lots of kids so that at least one of them
> will take care of you in your old age.
>
> I don't have an answer for this. Do you?

No, you have made my point. Tim's theory of elite's grand conspiracy is not
based in reality.

[(PeteCresswell)]

Per VtSkier:
>Having lots of kids in a third world country is
>Social Security.
>
>You have lots of kids so that at least one of them
>will take care of you in your old age.
>
>I don't have an answer for this. Do you?

The traditional answer in developed countries has been social
security, pension plans, and child labor laws.

In some countries, kids earn a net return from a very young
onwards - and it makes sense to have more of them.

In other countries, they're a financial liability right through
their teens and even later.

As already observed, with no pensions or social security, kids
constitute one's only retirement plan.

Somebody, somewhere observed that - with or without "birth
control" technology - people all over the world manage to
regulate their families so that the number of offspring is
rational in their immediate contexts.
--
PeteCresswell

[VtSkier]

On 02/23/2011 09:47 AM, Moderate wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 02/22/2011 08:46 AM, Moderate wrote:
>>> "Tºm Shermªn™ "> wrote in
>>> message ...
>>>>
>>>> The elites have plans to survive, while most of the "worthless eaters"
>>>> (the other 99%) die off. That is why those with real power are doing
>>>> nothing to stop global climate change or ecological depletion.
>>>
>>> The elites :-) I love the smell of a good conspiracy theory in the
>>> morning.
>>>
>>> There isn't much we can do about the global climate change. Mother
>>> Nature
>>> and all that. Slowing the population growth is the only solution to
>>> ecological depletion. Figure out a way to stop every third world country
>>> from ****ting out so many kids and you will have accomplished something.
>>>
>>>
>> Having lots of kids in a third world country is
>> Social Security.
>>
>> You have lots of kids so that at least one of them
>> will take care of you in your old age.
>>
>> I don't have an answer for this. Do you?
>
> No, you have made my point. Tim's theory of elite's grand conspiracy is not
> based in reality.
>
>
I agree.

[VtSkier]

On 02/23/2011 09:53 AM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
> Per VtSkier:
>> Having lots of kids in a third world country is
>> Social Security.
>>
>> You have lots of kids so that at least one of them
>> will take care of you in your old age.
>>
>> I don't have an answer for this. Do you?
>
> The traditional answer in developed countries has been social
> security, pension plans, and child labor laws.
>
> In some countries, kids earn a net return from a very young
> onwards - and it makes sense to have more of them.
>
> In other countries, they're a financial liability right through
> their teens and even later.
>
> As already observed, with no pensions or social security, kids
> constitute one's only retirement plan.
>
> Somebody, somewhere observed that - with or without "birth
> control" technology - people all over the world manage to
> regulate their families so that the number of offspring is
> rational in their immediate contexts.

Excellent point. Humans have NEVER been capable
of doing things with the long view in mind.

[Brad Anders]

On Feb 22, 5:42*pm, "Edward Dolan" > wrote:

> Go ahead and choke to death. Just one less mountain biker in the world.

Here long before you and here long after you're gone, which given your
penchant for picking the losing side of any issue, shouldn't be too
far away. Kisses.

[Bob Berger[_2_]]

In article >, Moderate says...
>
>
>"SMS" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> Vandeman's goal of protecting wilderness has merit. But he's so
>> _incredibly_ confused about the relative impacts of different activities
>> on wilderness. Every study on the subject has shown that the impact of
>> mountain bikers is not any more than the impact of hikers, and less than
>> that of equestrians, and actually the mountain bike impact is often less
>> than that of hikers. Vandeman should be redirecting his time and energy
>> into campaigning against snowmobiles and other motorized off-road
>> vehicles.
>>
>> The reality is that hikers often make trails unpleasant for use by
>> mountain bikers and vice-versa. They have to learn to share somehow.
>> Scheduling some days for each group of users would be fair. It's not a
>> question of who was there first.
>
>I agree that Vandeman's actions may hurt the cause more than help.
>
>Where did your find studies of mountain bike impact on the environment? My
>observation is that bicycles cause more erosion than foot traffic and the
>number of cyclists doing trail maintenance is far less than the number of
>hikers doing trail maintenance.

That may be a misleading statistic.

Now, I have no idea if this is true or not; but suppose cyclists did only 30% of
the maintenance while hikers did 70%, and that cyclists constituted 15% of the
trail's users, while hikers constituted 85%.

If so, that would mean the average cyclist did 2% of the maintenance, while the
average hiker did about 1.2% of the maintenace. In other words, the average
cyclist would be doing almost twice as much maintenance as the average hiker.

Or, playing the game from the other side, maybe cyclists as a group do less
trail damage than hikers because there are less of them.

Ya gotta be careful to present the complete statistical picture. :-)

[Bruce Jensen]

On Feb 20, 9:53*am, "Edward Dolan" > wrote:
> "Bob Berger" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> [...]
>
> > Oh I doubt that. If the legal system doesn't stop him now, my guess is
> > he'll
> > move on to something "bigger and better".
>
> > I wonder how many 30 round clips he can stuff in his pockets.
>
> Always a horror to hear from the peanut gallery. **** all mountain bikers
> all the way to Hell and back ... and mostly especially **** Bob Berger, a
> scoundrel who is evil through and through.
>
> ****ing Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Ed, when are you gonna come up with some insults that actually sting?
These are geting pretty stale.

BTW, Ed, you ARE a 'tard :-)

[Bruce Jensen]

On Feb 20, 4:42*pm, Bob Berger > wrote:
> In article >, Me says...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >In article >,
> > "Edward Dolan" > wrote:
>
> >> "Bob Berger" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> [...]
> >> > Oh I doubt that. If the legal system doesn't stop him now, my guess is
> >> > he'll
> >> > move on to something "bigger and better".
>
> >> > I wonder how many 30 round clips he can stuff in his pockets.
>
> >> Always a horror to hear from the peanut gallery. **** all mountain bikers
> >> all the way to Hell and back ... and mostly especially **** Bob Berger, a
> >> scoundrel who is evil through and through.
>
> >> ****ing Regards,
>
> >> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> >> aka
> >> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
> >Oh, No you have done it Bob.... You have incurred the rathe of Edward
> >the Great... a NoAccount of no Note, who frequents the Newsgroups here
> >a-bouts, with his whity comments, and seems to have a rather loose
> >Sexual Preference.... *Just watch yourself... He just might be in league
> >with those Buffalo Campaign idiots..... and we ALL Know how dangerous
> >they were...
>
> Hmmm... Good point. I hadn't thought of the BFC analogy, though I've had quite a
> bit of experience with those loons. (Hell, I'm even on their list of potential
> contributors).
>
>
>
> >Me * * *One who can recognize Lunacy in all its forms....- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I am on their list of ACTUAL contributors :-)

[Bruce Jensen]

On Feb 21, 8:29*pm, "Edward Dolan" > wrote:
> "Peter Clinch" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > On 18/02/11 17:10, SMS wrote:
>
> >> He's certainly learned his lesson and will not repeat the (alleged)
> >> behavior that got him into all this trouble. Let's be happy for that.
>
> > I'd be happy if that were the case, but.. for some values of
> > "certainly"... *Where has he ever showed any ability to learn about
> > realities of cycling and cyclists before now?
>
> Mr. Vandeman and I are convinced that mountain bikes have no place on hiking
> trails. Nothing is ever going to persuade us any differently. Is that clear
> enough!
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

It's clear that you and Mikey are narrow-minded authoritarian 'tards!

[Tºm Shermªn™ °_°[_2_]]

On 2/24/2011 10:33 AM, Bruce Jensen wrote:
> On Feb 20, 4:42 pm, Bob > wrote:
>> In >, Me says...
>>
>>> Oh, No you have done it Bob.... You have incurred the rathe of Edward
>>> the Great... a NoAccount of no Note, who frequents the Newsgroups here
>>> a-bouts, with his whity comments, and seems to have a rather loose
>>> Sexual Preference.... Just watch yourself... He just might be in league
>>> with those Buffalo Campaign idiots..... and we ALL Know how dangerous
>>> they were...
>>
>> Hmmm... Good point. I hadn't thought of the BFC analogy, though I've had quite a
>> bit of experience with those loons. (Hell, I'm even on their list of potential
>> contributors).
>>
>>> Me One who can recognize Lunacy in all its forms....- Hide quoted text -
>
> I am on their list of ACTUAL contributors :-)

The BFC people might do better if they realized the animal in question
is a bison, and not a buffalo.

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

[Peter Clinch]

On 22/02/11 14:58, Moderate wrote:

> Where did your find studies of mountain bike impact on the environment? My
> observation is that bicycles cause more erosion than foot traffic and the
> number of cyclists doing trail maintenance is far less than the number of
> hikers doing trail maintenance.

I've not seen formal studies, but in Scotland I've seen plenty of
walking-only trails that have degenerated to meandering quagmires that
blot the landscape and have necessitated remedial action (e.g., the
Schiehallion path and Glen Brittle to Coire Laggan).

I've not been on any trail that has obviously been ruined by wheels.

I see evidence of volunteer trail maintenance from across the board.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

[(PeteCresswell)]

Per Moderate:
>My
>observation is that bicycles cause more erosion than foot traffic and the
>number of cyclists doing trail maintenance is far less than the number of
>hikers doing trail maintenance.

That's got to be a regional thing. Soil type, cycling/hiking
populations....
--
PeteCresswell

[y_p_w]

On Feb 25, 5:53*am, "(PeteCresswell)" > wrote:
> Per Moderate:
>
> >My
> >observation is that bicycles cause more erosion than foot traffic and the
> >number of cyclists doing trail maintenance is far less than the number of
> >hikers doing trail maintenance.
>
> That's got to be a regional thing. * Soil type, cycling/hiking
> populations....

Quite a few people do both. I think it might be difficult to figure
out exactly what the proportions are. I haven't gone mountain biking
in years, but the sense I get are that quite a few mountain biking
organizations are active in trail maintenance activities. They might
not be doing so with mountain bikes in tow, so how does one know?

The mountain bike trails I know of in my area are mostly hard-packed
fire and maintenance roads. Their maintenance was mostly by the local
land agency. I remember hiking on one trail that was difficult enough
on foot, but would have been crazy on a bike. It was signed for multi-
use including bikes. The whole trail had been turned into a moonscape
by dairy cattle grazing in the area and stepping on the trail after
rains.

[Bruce Jensen]

On Feb 24, 4:56*pm, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net"> wrote:
> On 2/24/2011 10:33 AM, Bruce Jensen wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 20, 4:42 pm, Bob > *wrote:
> >> In >, Me says...
>
> >>> Oh, No you have done it Bob.... You have incurred the rathe of Edward
> >>> the Great... a NoAccount of no Note, who frequents the Newsgroups here
> >>> a-bouts, with his whity comments, and seems to have a rather loose
> >>> Sexual Preference.... *Just watch yourself... He just might be in league
> >>> with those Buffalo Campaign idiots..... and we ALL Know how dangerous
> >>> they were...
>
> >> Hmmm... Good point. I hadn't thought of the BFC analogy, though I've had quite a
> >> bit of experience with those loons. (Hell, I'm even on their list of potential
> >> contributors).
>
> >>> Me * * *One who can recognize Lunacy in all its forms....- Hide quoted text -
>
> > I am on their list of ACTUAL contributors :-)
>
> The BFC people might do better if they realized the animal in question
> is a bison, and not a buffalo.

They're trying to communicate to the majority of people (like Ed) who
still think it's a beefalo or a bufflecow or some such silliness.

[Bruce Jensen]

On Feb 25, 3:25*pm, y_p_w > wrote:
> On Feb 25, 5:53*am, "(PeteCresswell)" > wrote:
>
> > Per Moderate:
>
> > >My
> > >observation is that bicycles cause more erosion than foot traffic and the
> > >number of cyclists doing trail maintenance is far less than the number of
> > >hikers doing trail maintenance.
>
> > That's got to be a regional thing. * Soil type, cycling/hiking
> > populations....
>
> Quite a few people do both. *I think it might be difficult to figure
> out exactly what the proportions are. *I haven't gone mountain biking
> in years, but the sense I get are that quite a few mountain biking
> organizations are active in trail maintenance activities. *They might
> not be doing so with mountain bikes in tow, so how does one know?
>
> The mountain bike trails I know of in my area are mostly hard-packed
> fire and maintenance roads. *Their maintenance was mostly by the local
> land agency. *I remember hiking on one trail that was difficult enough
> on foot, but would have been crazy on a bike. *It was signed for multi-
> use including bikes. *The whole trail had been turned into a moonscape
> by dairy cattle grazing in the area and stepping on the trail after
> rains.

Man, ain't that the truth. The cows do orders of magnitude more
damage than bikes and feet combined.

[Edward Dolan]

"Bruce Jensen" > wrote in message
...
[...]

> They're trying to communicate to the majority of people (like Ed) who
still think it's a beefalo or a bufflecow or some such silliness.

Does this asshole mountain biker ever say one sensible thing - ever!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Edward Dolan]

"Bruce Jensen" > wrote in message
...
[...]

> Man, ain't that the truth. The cows do orders of magnitude more
damage than bikes and feet combined.

I am opposed to cattle grazing on the National Forests. God Damn ranchers
are even worse than mountain bikers I must admit. Read Edward Albee to get a
clue about this problem in our American West.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Tºm Shermªn™ °_°[_2_]]

On 3/2/2011 3:01 PM, Bruce Jensen wrote:
> On Feb 24, 4:56 pm, Tºm Shermªn™ °_°<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
> $southslope.net"> wrote:
>> On 2/24/2011 10:33 AM, Bruce Jensen wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Feb 20, 4:42 pm, Bob > wrote:
>>>> In >, Me says...
>>
>>>>> Oh, No you have done it Bob.... You have incurred the rathe of Edward
>>>>> the Great... a NoAccount of no Note, who frequents the Newsgroups here
>>>>> a-bouts, with his whity comments, and seems to have a rather loose
>>>>> Sexual Preference.... Just watch yourself... He just might be in league
>>>>> with those Buffalo Campaign idiots..... and we ALL Know how dangerous
>>>>> they were...
>>
>>>> Hmmm... Good point. I hadn't thought of the BFC analogy, though I've had quite a
>>>> bit of experience with those loons. (Hell, I'm even on their list of potential
>>>> contributors).
>>
>>>>> Me One who can recognize Lunacy in all its forms....- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>> I am on their list of ACTUAL contributors :-)
>>
>> The BFC people might do better if they realized the animal in question
>> is a bison, and not a buffalo.
>
> They're trying to communicate to the majority of people (like Ed) who
> still think it's a beefalo or a bufflecow or some such silliness.

Well, at least beefalo is a proper term:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beefalo>.

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

[Tºm Shermªn™ °_°[_2_]]

On 3/2/2011 4:03 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Bruce > wrote in message
> ...
> [...]
>
>> Man, ain't that the truth. The cows do orders of magnitude more
> damage than bikes and feet combined.
>
> I am opposed to cattle grazing on the National Forests. God Damn ranchers
> are even worse than mountain bikers I must admit. Read Edward Albee to get a
> clue about this problem in our American West.

And of course, the government leases public land to ranchers at *less*
than market rates, and then allows them to kill wolves and cougars [1].

[1] Felis concolor for Ed Dolan. [2]
[2]
<http://groups.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/7d2f832bf55ee4b2?hl=en&dmode=source>.

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

[Edward Dolan]

"Tºm ShermªnT °_°" "> wrote in
message ...
> On 3/2/2011 4:03 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>> "Bruce > wrote in message
>> ...
>> [...]
>>
>>> Man, ain't that the truth. The cows do orders of magnitude more
>> damage than bikes and feet combined.
>>
>> I am opposed to cattle grazing on the National Forests. God Damn ranchers
>> are even worse than mountain bikers I must admit. Read Edward Albee to
>> get a
>> clue about this problem in our American West.
>
> And of course, the government leases public land to ranchers at *less*
> than market rates, and then allows them to kill wolves and cougars [1].

Read Edward Albee and weep!

> [1] Felis concolor for Ed Dolan. [2]
> [2]
> <http://groups.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/7d2f832bf55ee4b2?hl=en&dmode=source>.

I am not the least bit interested in Google Groups. I say **** 'em!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Tºm Shermªn™ °_°[_2_]]

On 3/2/2011 8:11 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
> "T�m Sherm�nT "> wrote in
> message ...
>> On 3/2/2011 4:03 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>>> "Bruce > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>> Man, ain't that the truth. The cows do orders of magnitude more
>>> damage than bikes and feet combined.
>>>
>>> I am opposed to cattle grazing on the National Forests. God Damn ranchers
>>> are even worse than mountain bikers I must admit. Read Edward Albee to
>>> get a
>>> clue about this problem in our American West.
>>
>> And of course, the government leases public land to ranchers at *less*
>> than market rates, and then allows them to kill wolves and cougars [1].
>
> Read Edward Albee and weep!
>
>> [1] Felis concolor for Ed Dolan. [2]
>> [2]
>> <http://groups.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/7d2f832bf55ee4b2?hl=en&dmode=source>.
>
> I am not the least bit interested in Google Groups. I say **** 'em!

Even when you are the one being quoted?

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

[Edward Dolan]

"Tºm ShermªnT °_°" "> wrote in
message ...
> On 3/2/2011 8:11 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
>> I am not the least bit interested in Google Groups. I say **** 'em!
>
> Even when you are the one being quoted?

Yes, I noticed that! Very strange since Google Groups has more or less
blacklisted me. Thank God I never have to use that website. My Windows Mail
via Knology is all I have ever used. My OS is Vista.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota