2 punctures in one ride

[Geoff Lock[_2_]]

I know, I know - I should not be racing a fellow riding a flashy Trek
and who is dressed in that fabric whose name shall not be mentioned
whilst I have a dodgy sidewall in my tyre :( My bad my bad :(

Popped the first inner tube being a bit enthusiastic with nobody around,
and after changing the tube I reminded myself NOT to push the bike too
hard and then this fellow overtakes me whilst he was in the bike lane
and I was on the roadway and I just automatically responded - stupid me
:( Of cos the front tyre popped again when I hit a cadence of about 95
and with no more spare inner tubes this time, I had to walk over an hour
and a half to my destination :(

Go on, laugh! Mock me - I deserve it :( Yeah, sink the boot in, you
might as well :(

Never made it to Johnno's in Kenso as he was long closed by time every
thing was done and dusted. Will have try again tomorrow.

I think I'll rip off the tyres from me other bike .... should have done
that in the first place... hhmmmm...

[Zebee Johnstone]

In aus.bicycle on Wed, 15 Jun 2011 04:46:08 +1000
Geoff Lock <glock@home> wrote:
> hard and then this fellow overtakes me whilst he was in the bike lane
> and I was on the roadway and I just automatically responded - stupid me
>:( Of cos the front tyre popped again when I hit a cadence of about 95
> and with no more spare inner tubes this time, I had to walk over an hour
> and a half to my destination :(
>

maybe you need some glueless patches.

(or a patch kit, they don't take up that much room!)

Zebee
- who has 2 different size wheels on the 'bent, so two tubes. And a
patch kit which came in handy on the 2nd front wheel puncture in
300 yards. Damn builders leaving crap everywhere!

[thefathippy]

On Jun 15, 7:24*am, Zebee Johnstone > wrote:
> In aus.bicycle on Wed, 15 Jun 2011 04:46:08 +1000
>
> Geoff Lock <glock@home> wrote:
> > hard and then this fellow overtakes me whilst he was in the bike lane
> > and I was on the roadway and I just automatically responded - stupid me
> >:( Of cos the front tyre popped again when I hit a cadence of about 95
> > and with no more spare inner tubes this time, I had to walk over an hour
> > and a half to my destination :(
>
> maybe you need some glueless patches.
>
> (or a patch kit, they don't take up that much room!)
>
> Zebee
> *- who has 2 different size wheels on the 'bent, so two tubes. *And a
> * *patch kit which came in handy on the 2nd front wheel puncture in
> 300 yards. *Damn builders leaving crap everywhere!

I've successfully used a Mars Bar wrapper to stop a dodgy sidewall
eating tubes.

Eat Mars Bar. Place wrapper on inside of tyre at point of dodginess.
insert tube and inflate, being careful not to move the wrapper. Ride
to use up Mars Bar calories...

....and always carry a patch kit - as well as tubes.

Tony F

[Geoff Lock[_2_]]

On 15/06/2011 7:24 AM, Zebee Johnstone wrote:
> In aus.bicycle on Wed, 15 Jun 2011 04:46:08 +1000
> Geoff Lock<glock@home> wrote:
>> hard and then this fellow overtakes me whilst he was in the bike lane
>> and I was on the roadway and I just automatically responded - stupid me
>> :( Of cos the front tyre popped again when I hit a cadence of about 95
>> and with no more spare inner tubes this time, I had to walk over an hour
>> and a half to my destination :(
>>
>
> maybe you need some glueless patches.
>
> (or a patch kit, they don't take up that much room!)

Hm, we have previously discussed how clever I am to carry more than one
spare tube versus carrying a patch kit but I think I WILL start thinking
of glueless patch kits now. :)

> Zebee
> - who has 2 different size wheels on the 'bent, so two tubes. And a
> patch kit which came in handy on the 2nd front wheel puncture in
> 300 yards. Damn builders leaving crap everywhere!

2 punctures inside 300 yds? Bloody hell, some days, eh?

[Geoff Lock[_2_]]

On 15/06/2011 10:06 AM, thefathippy wrote:
> On Jun 15, 7:24 am, Zebee > wrote:
>> In aus.bicycle on Wed, 15 Jun 2011 04:46:08 +1000
>>
>> Geoff Lock<glock@home> wrote:

> I've successfully used a Mars Bar wrapper to stop a dodgy sidewall
> eating tubes.

You know, I DID think of using a bit of the previous tube to patch over
that dodgy sidewall but for some stupid reason I didn't do it - maybe it
is more of me trying to push my luck as usual. I am glad someone has
tried it and can confirm it works - provided, of cos, that the hole is
not too big, I guess.

> Eat Mars Bar. Place wrapper on inside of tyre at point of dodginess.
> insert tube and inflate, being careful not to move the wrapper. Ride
> to use up Mars Bar calories...

Heheheh! I LUUUUV cycling - a no-guilt Mars Bar, mmmmmmm, yum :)

> ...and always carry a patch kit - as well as tubes.

Awwright, awright, I heard it the first time (actually the fourth or
fifth time based on previous posts some months ago) :).

[Zebee Johnstone]

In aus.bicycle on Wed, 15 Jun 2011 13:55:57 +1000
Geoff Lock <glock@home> wrote:
> On 15/06/2011 7:24 AM, Zebee Johnstone wrote:
>
>> Zebee
>> - who has 2 different size wheels on the 'bent, so two tubes. And a
>> patch kit which came in handy on the 2nd front wheel puncture in
>> 300 yards. Damn builders leaving crap everywhere!
>
> 2 punctures inside 300 yds? Bloody hell, some days, eh?

The worst one was some years ago, riding to work.

Puncture about 5 min from home. Change tubes.

Ride another couple of minutes. Puncture. patch tube.

Ride less than a minute. Puncture.

Swear copiusly, decide this was God telling me to take a sickie, patch
tube, ride home, call in sick.

Zebee

[Geoff Lock[_2_]]

On 15/06/2011 2:11 PM, Zebee Johnstone wrote:
> In aus.bicycle on Wed, 15 Jun 2011 13:55:57 +1000
> Geoff Lock<glock@home> wrote:
>> On 15/06/2011 7:24 AM, Zebee Johnstone wrote:
>>
>>> Zebee
>>> - who has 2 different size wheels on the 'bent, so two tubes. And a
>>> patch kit which came in handy on the 2nd front wheel puncture in
>>> 300 yards. Damn builders leaving crap everywhere!
>>
>> 2 punctures inside 300 yds? Bloody hell, some days, eh?
>
> The worst one was some years ago, riding to work.
>
> Puncture about 5 min from home. Change tubes.
>
> Ride another couple of minutes. Puncture. patch tube.
>
> Ride less than a minute. Puncture.
>
> Swear copiusly, decide this was God telling me to take a sickie, patch
> tube, ride home, call in sick.

:))))

[Rob]

On 15/06/2011 4:46 AM, Geoff Lock wrote:
> I know, I know - I should not be racing a fellow riding a flashy Trek
> and who is dressed in that fabric whose name shall not be mentioned
> whilst I have a dodgy sidewall in my tyre :( My bad my bad :(
>
> Popped the first inner tube being a bit enthusiastic with nobody around,
> and after changing the tube I reminded myself NOT to push the bike too
> hard and then this fellow overtakes me whilst he was in the bike lane
> and I was on the roadway and I just automatically responded - stupid me
> :( Of cos the front tyre popped again when I hit a cadence of about 95
> and with no more spare inner tubes this time, I had to walk over an hour
> and a half to my destination :(
>
> Go on, laugh! Mock me - I deserve it :( Yeah, sink the boot in, you
> might as well :(
>
> Never made it to Johnno's in Kenso as he was long closed by time every
> thing was done and dusted. Will have try again tomorrow.
>
> I think I'll rip off the tyres from me other bike .... should have done
> that in the first place... hhmmmm...
>

Solid tyres should fix that problem!

[Geoff Lock[_2_]]

On 15/06/2011 9:50 PM, Rob wrote:
> On 15/06/2011 4:46 AM, Geoff Lock wrote:

>> I think I'll rip off the tyres from me other bike .... should have done
>> that in the first place... hhmmmm...
>>
>
> Solid tyres should fix that problem!

Hm, now that you mentioned them, I had a google and, of cos, they are
available. I have always known of solid tyres on forklifts and those
solid forklift tyres weigh more than a few grams :)

Might have a read of what others say elsewhere about solids. Anybody in
this newsgroup who has used solids and cares to impart some life
experiences? :)

[Zebee Johnstone]

In aus.bicycle on Thu, 16 Jun 2011 02:31:23 +1000
Geoff Lock <glock@home> wrote:
> On 15/06/2011 9:50 PM, Rob wrote:
>> On 15/06/2011 4:46 AM, Geoff Lock wrote:
>
>>> I think I'll rip off the tyres from me other bike .... should have done
>>> that in the first place... hhmmmm...
>>>
>>
>> Solid tyres should fix that problem!
>
> Hm, now that you mentioned them, I had a google and, of cos, they are
> available. I have always known of solid tyres on forklifts and those
> solid forklift tyres weigh more than a few grams :)
>
> Might have a read of what others say elsewhere about solids. Anybody in
> this newsgroup who has used solids and cares to impart some life
> experiences? :)

The ones on my single speed coaster brake 20" bike had big chunks out
of them without seeming to cause any problems, and that bike went down
steps OK.

I did find when graduating to a big girl's bike (still a single
speed but with big wheels and pump up tyres) that it was faster and
more comfortable, but that might also have been the bigger wheels and
the sprung saddle.

Wasn't as good at riding down steps though.

Zebee

[John Henderson]

Geoff Lock wrote:

> Might have a read of what others say elsewhere about solids. Anybody in
> this newsgroup who has used solids and cares to impart some life
> experiences? :)

Sheldon Brown said this:

"Airless tires have been obsolete for over a century, but
crackpot "inventors" keep trying to bring them back. They are
heavy, slow and give a harsh ride. They are also likely to cause
wheel damage, due to their poor cushioning ability."

http://sheldonbrown.com/tires.html

John

[Rob]

On 16/06/2011 2:31 AM, Geoff Lock wrote:
> On 15/06/2011 9:50 PM, Rob wrote:
>> On 15/06/2011 4:46 AM, Geoff Lock wrote:
>
>>> I think I'll rip off the tyres from me other bike .... should have done
>>> that in the first place... hhmmmm...
>>>
>>
>> Solid tyres should fix that problem!
>
> Hm, now that you mentioned them, I had a google and, of cos, they are
> available. I have always known of solid tyres on forklifts and those
> solid forklift tyres weigh more than a few grams :)
>

Better than pushing your bike home!

> Might have a read of what others say elsewhere about solids. Anybody in
> this newsgroup who has used solids and cares to impart some life
> experiences? :)

At one stage the water board had rubber rings about 1"dia to seal the
watermain pipes, off hand the 20" (or the like) did fit tightly when
stretched on the rim - it doesn't take much increase in circumference to
expand to 700 or 27" rims.

[terryc]

Geoff Lock wrote:

> Hm, now that you mentioned them, I had a google and, of cos, they are
> available. I have always known of solid tyres on forklifts and those
> solid forklift tyres weigh more than a few grams :)

at one stage a few decades ago someone promoted the idea of filling the
tyre with expanding foam. The idea being no punctures. Major problem was
low speed limitations, like 30kms/hr. i suspect the other problem was
recovery cycles were too low as I never saw it on the market.

[F Murtz[_2_]]

terryc wrote:
> Geoff Lock wrote:
>
>> Hm, now that you mentioned them, I had a google and, of cos, they are
>> available. I have always known of solid tyres on forklifts and those
>> solid forklift tyres weigh more than a few grams :)
>
> at one stage a few decades ago someone promoted the idea of filling the
> tyre with expanding foam. The idea being no punctures. Major problem was
> low speed limitations, like 30kms/hr. i suspect the other problem was
> recovery cycles were too low as I never saw it on the market.


used to fill them with grass during the depression.

[Geoff Lock[_2_]]

On 16/06/2011 6:11 AM, Zebee Johnstone wrote:
> In aus.bicycle on Thu, 16 Jun 2011 02:31:23 +1000
> Geoff Lock<glock@home> wrote:
>> On 15/06/2011 9:50 PM, Rob wrote:
>>> On 15/06/2011 4:46 AM, Geoff Lock wrote:
>>
>>>> I think I'll rip off the tyres from me other bike .... should have done
>>>> that in the first place... hhmmmm...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Solid tyres should fix that problem!

>> Might have a read of what others say elsewhere about solids. Anybody in
>> this newsgroup who has used solids and cares to impart some life
>> experiences? :)
>
> The ones on my single speed coaster brake 20" bike had big chunks out
> of them without seeming to cause any problems, and that bike went down
> steps OK.

Yeah, solids take punishment.

> I did find when graduating to a big girl's bike (still a single
> speed but with big wheels and pump up tyres) that it was faster and
> more comfortable, but that might also have been the bigger wheels and
> the sprung saddle.

Would also probably depend on the tyre pressures too, I guess.

> Wasn't as good at riding down steps though.

Heheheheh! Bloody pneumatics :)

[Geoff Lock[_2_]]

On 16/06/2011 6:36 AM, John Henderson wrote:
> Geoff Lock wrote:
>
>> Might have a read of what others say elsewhere about solids. Anybody in
>> this newsgroup who has used solids and cares to impart some life
>> experiences? :)
>
> Sheldon Brown said this:
>
> "Airless tires have been obsolete for over a century, but
> crackpot "inventors" keep trying to bring them back. They are
> heavy, slow and give a harsh ride. They are also likely to cause
> wheel damage, due to their poor cushioning ability."
>
> http://sheldonbrown.com/tires.html

Hm, I did have some of me own "crackpot" ideas until I read Sheldon
Brown's comments.

I am not sure when Brown wrote that article but maybe there is some
kinda new magicky foam which is hard on the outside and goes
progressively softer towards the middle or something like that.

Notwithstanding the above magic foam, Brown's further comments seem to
present a challenge to ANY foam tyre, ie " .. a pneumatic tire uses all
of the air in the whole tube as a shock absorber, while foam-type
"airless" tires/tubes only use the air in the immediate area of impact."

[Geoff Lock[_2_]]

On 16/06/2011 12:04 PM, Rob wrote:
> On 16/06/2011 2:31 AM, Geoff Lock wrote:
>> On 15/06/2011 9:50 PM, Rob wrote:
>>> On 15/06/2011 4:46 AM, Geoff Lock wrote:
>>
>>>> I think I'll rip off the tyres from me other bike .... should have done
>>>> that in the first place... hhmmmm...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Solid tyres should fix that problem!
>>
>> Hm, now that you mentioned them, I had a google and, of cos, they are
>> available. I have always known of solid tyres on forklifts and those
>> solid forklift tyres weigh more than a few grams :)
>>
>
> Better than pushing your bike home!

Heheheh!! Given the frigging weight of some solid forklift tyres, I'll
push me bike home, thanks :)

>> Might have a read of what others say elsewhere about solids. Anybody in
>> this newsgroup who has used solids and cares to impart some life
>> experiences? :)
>
> At one stage the water board had rubber rings about 1"dia to seal the
> watermain pipes, off hand the 20" (or the like) did fit tightly when
> stretched on the rim - it doesn't take much increase in circumference to
> expand to 700 or 27" rims.

Hm, but those rings will probably be quite dense and hard right thru and
will probably produce that "harsh" ride mentioned by Sheldon Brown's
article in the link posted by John Henderson above.

But if one was stuck out in the bush with a flat tyre with no spares and
miles from nowhere, I guess one WOULD wish for a solid tyre - harsh ride
or no harsh ride :)

[Geoff Lock[_2_]]

On 16/06/2011 12:54 PM, terryc wrote:
> Geoff Lock wrote:
>
>> Hm, now that you mentioned them, I had a google and, of cos, they are
>> available. I have always known of solid tyres on forklifts and those
>> solid forklift tyres weigh more than a few grams :)
>
> at one stage a few decades ago someone promoted the idea of filling the
> tyre with expanding foam. The idea being no punctures. Major problem was
> low speed limitations, like 30kms/hr. i suspect the other problem was
> recovery cycles were too low as I never saw it on the market.

Recovery cycles? Not sure what you mean there.

[Geoff Lock[_2_]]

On 16/06/2011 1:02 PM, F Murtz wrote:
> terryc wrote:
>> Geoff Lock wrote:
>>
>>> Hm, now that you mentioned them, I had a google and, of cos, they are
>>> available. I have always known of solid tyres on forklifts and those
>>> solid forklift tyres weigh more than a few grams :)
>>
>> at one stage a few decades ago someone promoted the idea of filling the
>> tyre with expanding foam. The idea being no punctures. Major problem was
>> low speed limitations, like 30kms/hr. i suspect the other problem was
>> recovery cycles were too low as I never saw it on the market.
>
>
> used to fill them with grass during the depression.

Hey and make good compost at the same time, eh? :)

[terryc]

Geoff Lock wrote:
> On 16/06/2011 12:54 PM, terryc wrote:
>> Geoff Lock wrote:
>>
>>> Hm, now that you mentioned them, I had a google and, of cos, they are
>>> available. I have always known of solid tyres on forklifts and those
>>> solid forklift tyres weigh more than a few grams :)
>>
>> at one stage a few decades ago someone promoted the idea of filling the
>> tyre with expanding foam. The idea being no punctures. Major problem was
>> low speed limitations, like 30kms/hr. i suspect the other problem was
>> recovery cycles were too low as I never saw it on the market.
>
> Recovery cycles? Not sure what you mean there.

When the foam s at the bottom it gets squashed. on the way up it
expands, just like in an air filled tyre. If it doesn't, you end up with
flat tyres. Recovery cycles or number of revs in the life of the foam.

[Rob]

On 16/06/2011 3:41 PM, Geoff Lock wrote:
> On 16/06/2011 12:04 PM, Rob wrote:
>> On 16/06/2011 2:31 AM, Geoff Lock wrote:
>>> On 15/06/2011 9:50 PM, Rob wrote:
>>>> On 15/06/2011 4:46 AM, Geoff Lock wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I think I'll rip off the tyres from me other bike .... should have
>>>>> done
>>>>> that in the first place... hhmmmm...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Solid tyres should fix that problem!
>>>
>>> Hm, now that you mentioned them, I had a google and, of cos, they are
>>> available. I have always known of solid tyres on forklifts and those
>>> solid forklift tyres weigh more than a few grams :)
>>>
>>
>> Better than pushing your bike home!
>
> Heheheh!! Given the frigging weight of some solid forklift tyres, I'll
> push me bike home, thanks :)
>
>>> Might have a read of what others say elsewhere about solids. Anybody in
>>> this newsgroup who has used solids and cares to impart some life
>>> experiences? :)
>>
>> At one stage the water board had rubber rings about 1"dia to seal the
>> watermain pipes, off hand the 20" (or the like) did fit tightly when
>> stretched on the rim - it doesn't take much increase in circumference to
>> expand to 700 or 27" rims.
>
> Hm, but those rings will probably be quite dense and hard right thru and
> will probably produce that "harsh" ride mentioned by Sheldon Brown's
> article in the link posted by John Henderson above.

No they are soft (about like the tread on my MTB tyres) as they have to
flex and seal pipe joints.

Then again you could always fill the tube with silicon :) but solid
silicon, after a lot of flexing turns to liquid again.


>
> But if one was stuck out in the bush with a flat tyre with no spares and
> miles from nowhere, I guess one WOULD wish for a solid tyre - harsh ride
> or no harsh ride :)

[Geoff Lock[_2_]]

On 16/06/2011 6:04 PM, Rob wrote:
> On 16/06/2011 3:41 PM, Geoff Lock wrote:
>> On 16/06/2011 12:04 PM, Rob wrote:
>>> On 16/06/2011 2:31 AM, Geoff Lock wrote:
>>>> On 15/06/2011 9:50 PM, Rob wrote:
>>>>> On 15/06/2011 4:46 AM, Geoff Lock wrote:

>>> At one stage the water board had rubber rings about 1"dia to seal the
>>> watermain pipes, off hand the 20" (or the like) did fit tightly when
>>> stretched on the rim - it doesn't take much increase in circumference to
>>> expand to 700 or 27" rims.
>>
>> Hm, but those rings will probably be quite dense and hard right thru and
>> will probably produce that "harsh" ride mentioned by Sheldon Brown's
>> article in the link posted by John Henderson above.
>
> No they are soft (about like the tread on my MTB tyres) as they have to
> flex and seal pipe joints.

Ah!

> Then again you could always fill the tube with silicon :) but solid
> silicon, after a lot of flexing turns to liquid again.

Solid silicon does? I'll be damned, I didn't know that.

[Geoff Lock[_2_]]

On 16/06/2011 4:41 PM, terryc wrote:
> Geoff Lock wrote:
>> On 16/06/2011 12:54 PM, terryc wrote:
>>> Geoff Lock wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hm, now that you mentioned them, I had a google and, of cos, they are
>>>> available. I have always known of solid tyres on forklifts and those
>>>> solid forklift tyres weigh more than a few grams :)
>>>
>>> at one stage a few decades ago someone promoted the idea of filling the
>>> tyre with expanding foam. The idea being no punctures. Major problem was
>>> low speed limitations, like 30kms/hr. i suspect the other problem was
>>> recovery cycles were too low as I never saw it on the market.
>>
>> Recovery cycles? Not sure what you mean there.
>
> When the foam s at the bottom it gets squashed. on the way up it
> expands, just like in an air filled tyre. If it doesn't, you end up with
> flat tyres. Recovery cycles or number of revs in the life of the foam.

I see, them recovery cycles - sorta like how much "springiness was in
the foam" type of "recovery". I had visions of search and rescue
bicycles (that kind of recovery) which went out looking for other
bicycles which had solid tyres which had somehow failed the test -
whatever the test may be. :)

I'm glad I cleared that one up for me :)

[John[_24_]]

On 2011-06-15, thefathippy > wrote:
> I've successfully used a Mars Bar wrapper to stop a dodgy sidewall
> eating tubes.
>
> Eat Mars Bar. Place wrapper on inside of tyre at point of dodginess.
> insert tube and inflate, being careful not to move the wrapper. Ride
> to use up Mars Bar calories...
>
> ...and always carry a patch kit - as well as tubes.

I've used a $5 note to do the same thing. I don't carry Mars bars
around, but I've always got my wallet.

--
John
"Bother," said the Borg, "We've assimilated Pooh."

[Johnherpes]

Never like Dates..... Prunes are yummy though

Im keen for the next ride anyway.... the last one was great I know it sounds all blubbersucky but the people you share the ride with Do make the difference.

[Geoff Lock[_2_]]

On 29/06/2011 7:50 PM, Johnherpes wrote:
> Never like Dates..... Prunes are yummy though
>
> Im keen for the next ride anyway.... the last one was great I know it
> sounds all blubbersucky but the people you share the ride with Do make
> the difference.

Huh? :) WTF you carrying on about? :) What date? Never mind, don't
answer that! What next ride? Where?

You are quite right in that during a social ride, the people one rides
with make a difference and yes, it does sound "blubbersucky" :)