Mountain Biking More Popular Than Ever

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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mountain-biking-more-popular-than-ever

[Mike Vandeman[_4_]]

On Friday, July 13, 2012 10:36:26 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mountain-biking-more-popular-than-ever
BS. The article is about VIEWING mountain biking, not DOING it. People love to see accidents and gore.

[Trevor[_7_]]

On 7/15/2012 2:42 PM, Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On Friday, July 13, 2012 10:36:26 AM UTC-7, wrote:
>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mountain-biking-more-popular-than-ever
> BS. The article is about VIEWING mountain biking, not DOING it. People love to see accidents and gore.
>

Which is somehow different than your inhuman glorying in the deaths of
mountain bikers?

[Mike Vandeman[_4_]]

On Monday, July 16, 2012 2:36:00 PM UTC-7, Trevor wrote:
> On 7/15/2012 2:42 PM, Mike Vandeman wrote:
> > On Friday, July 13, 2012 10:36:26 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> >> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mountain-biking-more-popular-than-ever
> > BS. The article is about VIEWING mountain biking, not DOING it. People love to see accidents and gore.
> >
>
> Which is somehow different than your inhuman glorying in the deaths of
> mountain bikers?

Thanks for demonstrating for the billionth time that mountain bikers ALWAYS lie. Show me where you see "glorying", LIAR. I publicize accidents because that's the only way to protect idiot mountain bikers from themselves. They think they are invulnerable.

[Trevor[_7_]]

On 7/18/2012 10:14 AM, Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On Monday, July 16, 2012 2:36:00 PM UTC-7, Trevor wrote:
>> On 7/15/2012 2:42 PM, Mike Vandeman wrote:
>> > On Friday, July 13, 2012 10:36:26 AM UTC-7, wrote:
>> >> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mountain-biking-more-popular-than-ever
>> > BS. The article is about VIEWING mountain biking, not DOING it. People love to see accidents and gore.
>> >
>>
>> Which is somehow different than your inhuman glorying in the deaths of
>> mountain bikers?
>
> Thanks for demonstrating for the billionth time that mountain bikers ALWAYS lie. Show me where you see "glorying", LIAR. I publicize accidents because that's the only way to protect idiot mountain bikers from themselves. They think they are invulnerable.
>

Your constant posting of stories using provocative subject lines and
commentary certainly comes across as glorying. "Doing Him a BIG Favor!"
"Whoops, ANOTHER Dead Mountain Biker!" "Evolution in action!"

I am well aware that I am *not* invulnerable, as I'm sure every other
mountain biker is. Why don't you give us a break and try going after
skiers or rock climbers for a while? (Although I'm sure they're also
already aware of their mortality.) Or maybe some hikers - I know one in
particular who seems to think it's so safe that he probably needs a
reminder that it's not. ;)

[Joy Beeson]

http://xkcd.com/1081/

[Blackblade]

On Wednesday, July 18, 2012 5:55:10 PM UTC+1, Trevor wrote:

> I am well aware that I am *not* invulnerable, as I'm sure every other
> mountain biker is. Why don't you give us a break and try going after
> skiers or rock climbers for a while? (Although I'm sure they're also
> already aware of their mortality.) Or maybe some hikers - I know one in
> particular who seems to think it's so safe that he probably needs a
> reminder that it's not. ;)

However, as the article in the Lancet this week shows the most dangerous thing of all is to do nothing. Over 5 million deaths caused by inactivity !

And, given that Mountain Bike Rider publishes, every month, pictures sent in by injured riders and has, on its site, a Top 10 Worst Crashes article I don't think anyone is pretending that accidents don't happen. We all know they do ... we just choose to take the risk ... greater or lower depending on activity type, speed and location.

[Blackblade]

On Thursday, July 19, 2012 12:35:25 AM UTC+1, Joy Beeson wrote:
> http://xkcd.com/1081/

I really like this :-)

[Mike Vandeman[_4_]]

On Thursday, July 19, 2012 5:00:23 AM UTC-7, Blackblade wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 18, 2012 5:55:10 PM UTC+1, Trevor wrote:
>
> > I am well aware that I am *not* invulnerable, as I'm sure every other
> > mountain biker is. Why don't you give us a break and try going after
> > skiers or rock climbers for a while? (Although I'm sure they're also
> > already aware of their mortality.) Or maybe some hikers - I know one in
> > particular who seems to think it's so safe that he probably needs a
> > reminder that it's not. ;)
>
> However, as the article in the Lancet this week shows the most dangerous thing of all is to do nothing. Over 5 million deaths caused by inactivity !

That says NOTHING about teh danger of mountain biking.

> And, given that Mountain Bike Rider publishes, every month, pictures sent in by injured riders and has, on its site, a Top 10 Worst Crashes article I don't think anyone is pretending that accidents don't happen.

Yes, you are. No mountain biker has EVER initiated a discussion of accidents in this newsgroup, in almost 20 years. Only I have.

>We all know they do ... we just choose to take the risk ... greater or lower depending on activity type, speed and location.

BS. The people who have died or became seriously injured wouldn't have mountain biked, had they known the danger. DUH! They all assume that it will only happen to someone else.

[Mike Vandeman[_4_]]

On Wednesday, July 18, 2012 9:55:10 AM UTC-7, Trevor wrote:
> On 7/18/2012 10:14 AM, Mike Vandeman wrote:
> > On Monday, July 16, 2012 2:36:00 PM UTC-7, Trevor wrote:
> >> On 7/15/2012 2:42 PM, Mike Vandeman wrote:
> >> > On Friday, July 13, 2012 10:36:26 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> >> >> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mountain-biking-more-popular-than-ever
> >> > BS. The article is about VIEWING mountain biking, not DOING it. People love to see accidents and gore.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Which is somehow different than your inhuman glorying in the deaths of
> >> mountain bikers?
> >
> > Thanks for demonstrating for the billionth time that mountain bikers ALWAYS lie. Show me where you see "glorying", LIAR. I publicize accidents because that's the only way to protect idiot mountain bikers from themselves. They think they are invulnerable.
> >
>
> Your constant posting of stories using provocative subject lines and
> commentary certainly comes across as glorying. "Doing Him a BIG Favor!"
> "Whoops, ANOTHER Dead Mountain Biker!" "Evolution in action!"

Where in those phrases do you see "glorying". You are simply LYING. Stealing his bike was obviously doing him a big favor, preventing him from causing brain damage AGAIN. Another dead mountain biker simply states a fact. Live with it. Evolution in action is just basic biology. As usual, mountain bikers are incapable of telling the truth about their disgusting, selfish, destructive sport.

[Mike Vandeman[_4_]]

On Thursday, July 19, 2012 4:51:44 PM UTC-7, Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On Thursday, July 19, 2012 5:00:23 AM UTC-7, Blackblade wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 18, 2012 5:55:10 PM UTC+1, Trevor wrote:
> >
> > > I am well aware that I am *not* invulnerable, as I'm sure every other
> > > mountain biker is. Why don't you give us a break and try going after
> > > skiers or rock climbers for a while? (Although I'm sure they're also
> > > already aware of their mortality.) Or maybe some hikers - I know one in
> > > particular who seems to think it's so safe that he probably needs a
> > > reminder that it's not. ;)
> >
> > However, as the article in the Lancet this week shows the most dangerous thing of all is to do nothing. Over 5 million deaths caused by inactivity !
>
> That says NOTHING about teh danger of mountain biking.
>
> > And, given that Mountain Bike Rider publishes, every month, pictures sent in by injured riders and has, on its site, a Top 10 Worst Crashes article I don't think anyone is pretending that accidents don't happen.
>
> Yes, you are. No mountain biker has EVER initiated a discussion of accidents in this newsgroup, in almost 20 years. Only I have.
>
> >We all know they do ... we just choose to take the risk ... greater or lower depending on activity type, speed and location.
>
> BS. The people who have died or became seriously injured wouldn't have mountain biked, had they known the danger. DUH! They all assume that it will only happen to someone else.

P.S. We won't have to wrack our brains trying to think of an appropriate obituary in the future for mountain bikers. It's always going to be "WHOOPS, another dead mountain biker".

[Blackblade]

Mike Vandeman wrote:

>> However, as the article in the Lancet this week shows the most dangerous thing of all is to do nothing. Over 5 million deaths caused by inactivity !
>
> That says NOTHING about teh danger of mountain biking.

No, it doesn't ... did I say it did ? It simply points out that being inactive, doing nothing, causes a large number of deaths.

>> And, given that Mountain Bike Rider publishes, every month, pictures sent in by injured riders and has, on its site, a Top 10 Worst Crashes article I don't think anyone is pretending that accidents don't happen.
>
> Yes, you are. No mountain biker has EVER initiated a discussion of accidents in this newsgroup, in almost 20 years. Only I have.

I don't know about this newsgroup but it's certainly discussed. Here's just one of thousands (use Google) on a MOUNTAINBIKING site.

http://www.pinkbike.com/news/neck-injury-stats-2010.html

So, your proposition that Mountainbikers don't discuss injuries is completely false.

>> We all know they do ... we just choose to take the risk ... greater or lower depending on activity type, speed and location.
>
> BS. The people who have died or became seriously injured wouldn't have mountain biked, had they known the danger. DUH! They all assume that it will only happen to someone else.

This is an assertion not in any way supported by facts. Millions of people, every day, choose to engage in hazardous activities with a risk of injury and death with full congnisance of those risks. Sure, we (I am one of them) use mitigation factors to minimise those risks but we accept that they are there and that accidents happen.

> P.S. We won't have to wrack our brains trying to think of an appropriate obituary in the future for mountain bikers. It's always going to be "WHOOPS, another dead mountain biker".

And that's why I would classify you as a borderline sociopath without any empathy. Mountainbikers themselves send in pictures of their injuries and joke and laugh about them ... a friend of mine just broke his collarbone and has posted pictures on Facebook about it.

The point at which someone is seriously injured, such as the tragic case of the guy who is only borderline conscious with brain injury or that someone dies is the point at which the laughing stops ... if one has any conscience. It doesn't matter whether you agree or disagree with their activities or position ... the civilised human being understands that such a tragedy is not for exploitation. Clearly, you don't understand this at all.

[Shraga]

On Thursday, July 19, 2012 7:51:44 PM UTC-4, Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On Thursday, July 19, 2012 5:00:23 AM UTC-7, Blackblade wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 18, 2012 5:55:10 PM UTC+1, Trevor wrote:
> >
> > > I am well aware that I am *not* invulnerable, as I'm sure every other
> > > mountain biker is. Why don't you give us a break and try going after
> > > skiers or rock climbers for a while? (Although I'm sure they're also
> > > already aware of their mortality.) Or maybe some hikers - I know one in
> > > particular who seems to think it's so safe that he probably needs a
> > > reminder that it's not. ;)
> >
> > However, as the article in the Lancet this week shows the most dangerous thing of all is to do nothing. Over 5 million deaths caused by inactivity !
>
> That says NOTHING about teh danger of mountain biking.
>
> > And, given that Mountain Bike Rider publishes, every month, pictures sent in by injured riders and has, on its site, a Top 10 Worst Crashes article I don't think anyone is pretending that accidents don't happen.
>
> Yes, you are. No mountain biker has EVER initiated a discussion of accidents in this newsgroup, in almost 20 years. Only I have.
>

Lie #1: alt.mountain-bike hasn't existed for 20 years. You also did not contribute to this newsgroup when it was new.
Lie #2: Back when this newsgroup included actual mountain bike content, it was quite common for riders to discuss their accidents, even serious ones. One notorious example that went viral:

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/alt.mountain-bike/bXMPFzyDPoc

Bill continues to have this crash posted on his web page.

Why did you lie?

[Trevor[_7_]]

On 7/19/2012 5:58 PM, Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 18, 2012 9:55:10 AM UTC-7, Trevor wrote:
>> On 7/18/2012 10:14 AM, Mike Vandeman wrote:
>> > On Monday, July 16, 2012 2:36:00 PM UTC-7, Trevor wrote:
>> >> On 7/15/2012 2:42 PM, Mike Vandeman wrote:
>> >> > On Friday, July 13, 2012 10:36:26 AM UTC-7, wrote:
>> >> >> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mountain-biking-more-popular-than-ever
>> >> > BS. The article is about VIEWING mountain biking, not DOING it. People love to see accidents and gore.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Which is somehow different than your inhuman glorying in the deaths of
>> >> mountain bikers?
>> >
>> > Thanks for demonstrating for the billionth time that mountain bikers ALWAYS lie. Show me where you see "glorying", LIAR. I publicize accidents because that's the only way to protect idiot mountain bikers from themselves. They think they are invulnerable.
>> >
>>
>> Your constant posting of stories using provocative subject lines and
>> commentary certainly comes across as glorying. "Doing Him a BIG Favor!"
>> "Whoops, ANOTHER Dead Mountain Biker!" "Evolution in action!"
>
> Where in those phrases do you see "glorying". You are simply LYING. Stealing his bike was obviously doing him a big favor, preventing him from causing brain damage AGAIN. Another dead mountain biker simply states a fact. Live with it. Evolution in action is just basic biology. As usual, mountain bikers are incapable of telling the truth about their disgusting, selfish, destructive sport.
>

If you were actually showing concern for the people dying, my first
impression would not have been that you were glorying in their deaths.
Instead, what comes to mind is a man sitting at his keyboard with a
gleeful grin on is face as he posts yet another story showing how
horrible mountain bikers are. If that is not glorying, I guess I don't
know what is.

[Joy Beeson]

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:44:04 -0600, Trevor >
wrote:

> If that is not glorying, I guess I don't
> know what is.

It's malicious trolling.

And I feel guilty about cluttering up the net with a response even
though it's indirect.

--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at comcast dot net

[Mike Vandeman[_4_]]

On Friday, July 20, 2012 10:44:04 AM UTC-7, Trevor wrote:
> On 7/19/2012 5:58 PM, Mike Vandeman wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 18, 2012 9:55:10 AM UTC-7, Trevor wrote:
> >> On 7/18/2012 10:14 AM, Mike Vandeman wrote:
> >> > On Monday, July 16, 2012 2:36:00 PM UTC-7, Trevor wrote:
> >> >> On 7/15/2012 2:42 PM, Mike Vandeman wrote:
> >> >> > On Friday, July 13, 2012 10:36:26 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> >> >> >> http://www.cyclingnews..com/news/mountain-biking-more-popular-than-ever
> >> >> > BS. The article is about VIEWING mountain biking, not DOING it. People love to see accidents and gore.
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Which is somehow different than your inhuman glorying in the deaths of
> >> >> mountain bikers?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for demonstrating for the billionth time that mountain bikers ALWAYS lie. Show me where you see "glorying", LIAR. I publicize accidents because that's the only way to protect idiot mountain bikers from themselves. They think they are invulnerable.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Your constant posting of stories using provocative subject lines and
> >> commentary certainly comes across as glorying. "Doing Him a BIG Favor!"
> >> "Whoops, ANOTHER Dead Mountain Biker!" "Evolution in action!"
> >
> > Where in those phrases do you see "glorying". You are simply LYING. Stealing his bike was obviously doing him a big favor, preventing him from causing brain damage AGAIN. Another dead mountain biker simply states a fact. Live with it. Evolution in action is just basic biology. As usual, mountain bikers are incapable of telling the truth about their disgusting, selfish, destructive sport.
> >
>
> If you were actually showing concern for the people dying, my first
> impression would not have been that you were glorying in their deaths.
> Instead, what comes to mind is a man sitting at his keyboard with a
> gleeful grin on is face as he posts yet another story showing how
> horrible mountain bikers are. If that is not glorying, I guess I don't
> know what is.

That's in YOUR mind, not mine. So you LIED.

[Trevor[_7_]]

On 7/20/2012 11:53 PM, Mike Vandeman wrote:

>> If you were actually showing concern for the people dying, my first
>> impression would not have been that you were glorying in their deaths.
>> Instead, what comes to mind is a man sitting at his keyboard with a
>> gleeful grin on is face as he posts yet another story showing how
>> horrible mountain bikers are. If that is not glorying, I guess I don't
>> know what is.
>
> That's in YOUR mind, not mine. So you LIED.
>

I see. So if you are the only person in the world that understands how
your mind works, that makes the rest of us liars because we interpret
things in a more rational way?

[Mike Vandeman[_4_]]

On Monday, July 23, 2012 1:29:31 PM UTC-7, Trevor wrote:
> On 7/20/2012 11:53 PM, Mike Vandeman wrote:
>
> >> If you were actually showing concern for the people dying, my first
> >> impression would not have been that you were glorying in their deaths.
> >> Instead, what comes to mind is a man sitting at his keyboard with a
> >> gleeful grin on is face as he posts yet another story showing how
> >> horrible mountain bikers are. If that is not glorying, I guess I don't
> >> know what is.
> >
> > That's in YOUR mind, not mine. So you LIED.
> >
>
> I see. So if you are the only person in the world that understands how
> your mind works, that makes the rest of us liars because we interpret
> things in a more rational way?

No, you simply FABRICATED "glorying" out of thin air -- otherwise known as "LYING". Nothing new, for a mountain biker.

[Mike Vandeman[_4_]]

On Monday, July 23, 2012 9:22:44 PM UTC-7, Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On Monday, July 23, 2012 1:29:31 PM UTC-7, Trevor wrote:
> > On 7/20/2012 11:53 PM, Mike Vandeman wrote:
> >
> > >> If you were actually showing concern for the people dying, my first
> > >> impression would not have been that you were glorying in their deaths.
> > >> Instead, what comes to mind is a man sitting at his keyboard with a
> > >> gleeful grin on is face as he posts yet another story showing how
> > >> horrible mountain bikers are. If that is not glorying, I guess I don't
> > >> know what is.
> > >
> > > That's in YOUR mind, not mine. So you LIED.
> > >
> >
> > I see. So if you are the only person in the world that understands how
> > your mind works, that makes the rest of us liars because we interpret
> > things in a more rational way?
>
> No, you simply FABRICATED "glorying" out of thin air -- otherwise known as "LYING". Nothing new, for a mountain biker.

If you don't know what a "lie" is, ask your mommie to explain it to you.

[SMS]

On 7/13/2012 10:36 AM, wrote:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mountain-biking-more-popular-than-ever

New mountain bike sales are doing very well, even in a down economy
where road bike sales have stagnated.

The big increase in mountain biking is from hikers taking up mountain
biking. In California, state parks have been converting some hiking
trails into trails that are also suitable for mountain biking in order
to accommodate the desires of park users. It's a win-win for the park
users and for the financially strapped parks as well.

[Lamblies[_2_]]

"SMS" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/13/2012 10:36 AM, wrote:
>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mountain-biking-more-popular-than-ever
>
> New mountain bike sales are doing very well, even in a down economy where
> road bike sales have stagnated.
>
> The big increase in mountain biking is from hikers taking up mountain
> biking. In California, state parks have been converting some hiking trails
> into trails that are also suitable for mountain biking in order to
> accommodate the desires of park users. It's a win-win for the park users
> and for the financially strapped parks as well.

In our area: Georgian Bay / Blue Mountain, Ontario, Canada. A huge mountain
biking area with a local acceptance that it not only brings mountain bikers
& their families to our area to spend their cash, but justifies the down
hill & cross country ski areas being maintained & offered up in the summer.
Also supporting the busy ski & bike sports stores that otherwise would close
in the summer.
There has been an improvement in our more scenic drives, formerly dirt roads
or poorly maintained roads at best, these roads have been widened,
resurfaced & generally made safer & have now attracted road bikes to our
area more than ever before. Road bikes are selling well in our area & it is
the growing trend here for avid mountain bikers to not only own a mid to
high end mountain bike but to also have a decent road bike, more and more as
mountain bikers are enjoying both worlds the sales in high end road bikes in
our area is increasing rapidly.....all good news for our 4 season resort
areas economy.
I'm in the market for a decent road bike having already done the 'getting my
feet wet' out of the way & love road biking almost as much as mountain
biking.....can I justify having two expensive bikes knowing that of course
you can only ride one at a time. :-)

That is the question ..............

Jon~



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[SMS]

On 8/2/2012 5:50 PM, Lamblies wrote:

<snip>

> I'm in the market for a decent road bike having already done the 'getting my
> feet wet' out of the way & love road biking almost as much as mountain
> biking.....can I justify having two expensive bikes knowing that of course
> you can only ride one at a time. :-)
>
> That is the question ..............

Actually the question is whether a decent road bike is the same as an
expensive road bike. You can still get a decent aluminum road bike for
$1000 or so, and it'll last a lot longer than a carbon fiber bike. If
you want steel, or titanium, or CF, you need to really ante up.

[SMS]

On 8/2/2012 5:50 PM, Lamblies wrote:

> In our area: Georgian Bay / Blue Mountain, Ontario, Canada. A huge mountain
> biking area with a local acceptance that it not only brings mountain bikers
> & their families to our area to spend their cash, but justifies the down
> hill & cross country ski areas being maintained & offered up in the summer.
> Also supporting the busy ski & bike sports stores that otherwise would close
> in the summer.

Well I'm not much into private ski areas being used for mountain biking.
Mountain biking belongs in county, state, and national parks. Rangers
and land managers all agree that mountain biking has no more impact than
hiking, and far less impact than horseback riding. The problem is that
all the activities can't always co-exist on the same trails on the same
days. Now some state parks are looking into alternate usage days, much
like some lakes and reservoirs don't allow power boats on some days.

The big complaint from hikers and mountain bikers in Northern California
is not about each other, it's about equestrians. I was talking to a park
ranger at one of our state parks in Marin County (across the Golden Gate
Bridge from San Francisco) about trail users and sharing trails and I
was complaining about the mess that horses make of the trails in the
park, not just from their wastes but from damaging the trail. He sighed
and said that the state park service is well aware of the problem of
horses and the enormous damage they do, but that the equestrians are too
well-connected politically for anything to be done about it. Every the
subject of banning horses is brought up the idea is shot down because
wealthy equestrians don't want to lose any areas in which to ride.

[Mike Vandeman[_4_]]

I

On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 3:30:00 PM UTC-7, SMS wrote:
> On 8/2/2012 5:50 PM, Lamblies wrote:
>
>
>
> > In our area: Georgian Bay / Blue Mountain, Ontario, Canada. A huge mountain
>
> > biking area with a local acceptance that it not only brings mountain bikers
>
> > & their families to our area to spend their cash, but justifies the down
>
> > hill & cross country ski areas being maintained & offered up in the summer.
>
> > Also supporting the busy ski & bike sports stores that otherwise would close
>
> > in the summer.
>
>
>
> Well I'm not much into private ski areas being used for mountain biking.
>
> Mountain biking belongs in county, state, and national parks. Rangers
>
> and land managers all agree that mountain biking has no more impact than
>
> hiking,

Repeating this obvious lie doesn't make it true.

and far less impact than horseback riding. The problem is that
>
> all the activities can't always co-exist on the same trails on the same
>
> days. Now some state parks are looking into alternate usage days, much
>
> like some lakes and reservoirs don't allow power boats on some days.
>
>
>
> The big complaint from hikers and mountain bikers in Northern California
>
> is not about each other, it's about equestrians. I was talking to a park
>
> ranger at one of our state parks in Marin County (across the Golden Gate
>
> Bridge from San Francisco) about trail users and sharing trails and I
>
> was complaining about the mess that horses make of the trails in the
>
> park, not just from their wastes but from damaging the trail. He sighed
>
> and said that the state park service is well aware of the problem of
>
> horses and the enormous damage they do, but that the equestrians are too
>
> well-connected politically for anything to be done about it. Every the
>
> subject of banning horses is brought up the idea is shot down because
>
> wealthy equestrians don't want to lose any areas in which to ride.

Horses are alive (DUH!), and have the right to go wherever they want to. Bicycles are MACHINES, and have NO rights (DUH!). Bikes should be restricted to pavement, where they belong. If mountain bikers EVER told the truth, bikes would be banned from trails.