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colwyn[_2_]
July 10th 15, 06:58 PM
Cyclist hatred is 'almost like racial discrimination,' says AA prez
Carlton Reid by Carlton Reid
Friday, November 16th 2012 at 8:15AM GMT
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Many motorists run red lights and habitually park with wheels on the
pavement. Motor vehicles killed 359 pedestrians in 2011. In cities, cars
that can accomodate three or more passengers tend to carry just the
driver, leading to congestion and contributing to high levels of air
pollution. Yet, for some people, cyclists are the real villains of the
piece and the wrong-doings of the minority are projected on to the
majority: "all cyclists run red lights" and "all cyclists ride on the
pavement".

The sins of a few projected on to the many is one of factors that leads
to an irrational hatred of cyclists. You really don’t have to go very
far on the internet before finding this sort of stuff. Using search
terms ‘cyclist’ and ‘road tax’ on Twitter, for instance, will bring up
lots of unbidden hate, or follow @cyclehatred which is a collection of
comments from Twitter users who feel it's socially acceptable to write
"get off my road" threats against cyclists and joke about knocking into,
and even killing, cyclists.

Sometimes the hatred is spouted by incoherent dunderheads but there’s
also plenty spouted by what appear to be, from reading their Twitter
timelines, otherwise decent people.

The highly ingrained beliefs that “all cyclists run red lights” and “all
cyclists ride on the pavement” - even though motorists do the same - are
part of the problem but the hatred goes deeper than that. It's
irrational prejudice, and that's why in The Times yesterday, Edmund
King, president of the AA, said invective aimed at cyclists was a "road
safety issue."

King has long argued that motorists and cyclists are often the same
people and that the 'them and us' mentality must be eradicated.
Animosity shown by cyclists to motorists, and by motorists to cyclists,
needs to end. He said: "When we release our grip on the steering wheel
or handlebars, the differences disappear."

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He told The Times that motorist hatred of cyclists was "almost like
racial discrimination, there is no good reason for it."

On Tuesday, King had shocked audience members at an annual road safety
conference when he read out some of the hate tweets collected by
@cyclehatred. For many people, the existence of such irrational hatred
against a group of folks who choose to be self-propelled on two wheels
came as a great surprise.

But the hatred isn't news to psychologists. In the latest issue of The
Psychologist Bath University’s traffic specialist Dr Ian Walker said he
believes the hatred shown towards cyclists is a manifestation of more
than just hatred against an “out group”:

“A report from the Transport Research Laboratory and University of
Strathclyde a few years ago suggested that there’s some classic social
psychology at work here – cyclists represent an outgroup such that the
usual outgroup effects are seen, particularly overgeneralisation of
negative behaviour and attributes – ‘They all ride through red lights
all the time’. It’s hard to escape the conclusion that something of this
sort is going on.

“However, there has to be more to it than just this. For a long time I
wondered if the outgroup status of cyclists was compounded by two other
known social psychological factors: norms and majority vs. minority
groups. Not only are cyclists an outgroup, they’re also a minority
outgroup. Moreover, they are engaging in an activity that is deemed
slightly inappropriate in a culture that views driving as normative and
desirable and, arguably, views cycling as anti-conventional and possibly
even infantile.

“But even adding these factors into the mix does not explain all the
anger that cyclists experience. It’s easy to identify other minority
outgroups whose behaviour similarly challenges social norms but who do
not get verbally and physically attacked like cyclists do: vegetarians,
for example. So there’s clearly one or more important variables that
we’ve not identified yet.”

Hatred isn’t confined to social media, of course. Shockjocks and
columnists in national and local newspapers also like to take potshots
at cyclists.

All of the hatred on social media and in the press matters because it’s
not marginal, it’s mainstream. Pro-cycling MPs say it’s incredibly tough
to get any truly transformational cycling policies out of the
powers-that-be because the hatred of cyclists runs deep. When local and
national politicians suggest making roads safer for cyclists, some of
their colleagues say this shouldn't happen until "cyclists stop running
red lights and riding on pavements."

The same good behaviour is not expected of motorists before
infrastructure is provided. In 2011, 47 percent of cars exceeded a 30mph
speed limit, while 49 percent went faster than 70mph on a motorway. 71
percent of HGVs exceeded the single carriageway 40mph limit in 2011 yet
instead of being vilified and chastised for such law breaking, the
Government is to trial lifting single carriageway speed limits for HGVs.

Hatred against cyclists isn't a recent phenomenon. In 2009, long before
Twitter, Peter Zanzottera, senior consultant at transport consultancy
Steer Davies Gleave, told the Scottish Parliament’s Transport Committee:

“People love cycling but hate cyclists.”

It may be painful to talk about the hate shown to cyclists - and perhaps
even off-putting for somebody considering starting to cycle, why open
yourself to this sort of irrational abuse? - but it's important to
uncover the hatred. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

David Lang
July 10th 15, 08:39 PM
On 10/07/2015 18:58, colwyn wrote:
> Cyclist hatred is 'almost like racial discrimination,' says AA prez
> Carlton Reid by Carlton Reid
> Friday, November 16th 2012 at 8:15AM GMT
> Print this pageEmail
>
>
>
> 1
> inShare
> Cyclist hatred is 'almost like racial discrimination,' says AA prez
>
> Many motorists run red lights and habitually park with wheels on the
> pavement. Motor vehicles killed 359 pedestrians in 2011. In cities, cars
> that can accomodate three or more passengers tend to carry just the
> driver, leading to congestion and contributing to high levels of air
> pollution. Yet, for some people, cyclists are the real villains of the
> piece and the wrong-doings of the minority are projected on to the
> majority: "all cyclists run red lights" and "all cyclists ride on the
> pavement".

Motorists don't habitually run red lights and rarely if ever drive on
pavements, if they do they are easily identified by their registration
plates.
>
> The sins of a few projected on to the many is one of factors that leads
> to an irrational hatred of cyclists. You really don’t have to go very
> far on the internet before finding this sort of stuff. Using search
> terms ‘cyclist’ and ‘road tax’ on Twitter, for instance, will bring up
> lots of unbidden hate, or follow @cyclehatred which is a collection of
> comments from Twitter users who feel it's socially acceptable to write
> "get off my road" threats against cyclists and joke about knocking into,
> and even killing, cyclists.
>
> Sometimes the hatred is spouted by incoherent dunderheads but there’s
> also plenty spouted by what appear to be, from reading their Twitter
> timelines, otherwise decent people.

The vast majority of the general public hate cyclists. It's the norm.
>
> The highly ingrained beliefs that “all cyclists run red lights” and “all
> cyclists ride on the pavement” - even though motorists do the same - are
> part of the problem but the hatred goes deeper than that.

The phrase "even though motorists do the same" clearly shows this is
written by a cyclist idiot. It's a standard defense.

>It's
> irrational prejudice, and that's why in The Times yesterday, Edmund
> King, president of the AA, said invective aimed at cyclists was a "road
> safety issue."
>
> King has long argued that motorists and cyclists are often the same
> people and that the 'them and us' mentality must be eradicated.
> Animosity shown by cyclists to motorists, and by motorists to cyclists,
> needs to end. He said: "When we release our grip on the steering wheel
> or handlebars, the differences disappear."
>

> He told The Times that motorist hatred of cyclists was "almost like
> racial discrimination, there is no good reason for it."

There is a perfectly good reason for it. Cyclists are not only a pain in
the arse, they are also sanctimonious ****s.
>
> On Tuesday, King had shocked audience members at an annual road safety
> conference when he read out some of the hate tweets collected by
> @cyclehatred. For many people, the existence of such irrational hatred
> against a group of folks who choose to be self-propelled on two wheels
> came as a great surprise.

Not to anyone normal.
>
> But the hatred isn't news to psychologists. In the latest issue of The
> Psychologist Bath University’s traffic specialist Dr Ian Walker said he
> believes the hatred shown towards cyclists is a manifestation of more
> than just hatred against an “out group”:
>
> “A report from the Transport Research Laboratory and University of
> Strathclyde a few years ago suggested that there’s some classic social
> psychology at work here – cyclists represent an outgroup such that the
> usual outgroup effects are seen, particularly overgeneralisation of
> negative behaviour and attributes – ‘They all ride through red lights
> all the time’. It’s hard to escape the conclusion that something of this
> sort is going on.
>
> “However, there has to be more to it than just this. For a long time I
> wondered if the outgroup status of cyclists was compounded by two other
> known social psychological factors: norms and majority vs. minority
> groups. Not only are cyclists an outgroup, they’re also a minority
> outgroup. Moreover, they are engaging in an activity that is deemed
> slightly inappropriate in a culture that views driving as normative and
> desirable and, arguably, views cycling as anti-conventional and possibly
> even infantile.

An excellent summary. That's exactly what people think.
>
> “But even adding these factors into the mix does not explain all the
> anger that cyclists experience. It’s easy to identify other minority
> outgroups whose behaviour similarly challenges social norms but who do
> not get verbally and physically attacked like cyclists do: vegetarians,
> for example. So there’s clearly one or more important variables that
> we’ve not identified yet.”
>
> Hatred isn’t confined to social media, of course. Shockjocks and
> columnists in national and local newspapers also like to take potshots
> at cyclists.
>
> All of the hatred on social media and in the press matters because it’s
> not marginal, it’s mainstream. Pro-cycling MPs say it’s incredibly tough
> to get any truly transformational cycling policies out of the
> powers-that-be because the hatred of cyclists runs deep. When local and
> national politicians suggest making roads safer for cyclists, some of
> their colleagues say this shouldn't happen until "cyclists stop running
> red lights and riding on pavements."

Public money should not be wasted on an insignificant minority.
>
> The same good behaviour is not expected of motorists before
> infrastructure is provided. In 2011, 47 percent of cars exceeded a 30mph
> speed limit, while 49 percent went faster than 70mph on a motorway. 71
> percent of HGVs exceeded the single carriageway 40mph limit in 2011 yet
> instead of being vilified and chastised for such law breaking, the
> Government is to trial lifting single carriageway speed limits for HGVs.

Here we go again, more evidence of cyclo mania. Defend themselves by
claiming someone else is worse.
>
> Hatred against cyclists isn't a recent phenomenon. In 2009, long before
> Twitter, Peter Zanzottera, senior consultant at transport consultancy
> Steer Davies Gleave, told the Scottish Parliament’s Transport Committee:
>
> “People love cycling but hate cyclists.”

No, they don't like cycling either.
>
> It may be painful to talk about the hate shown to cyclists - and perhaps
> even off-putting for somebody considering starting to cycle, why open
> yourself to this sort of irrational abuse? - but it's important to
> uncover the hatred. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
>

Removing cyclists from the road would solve the problem.

Peter Keller[_3_]
July 11th 15, 11:57 AM
On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 20:39:09 +0100, David Lang wrote:

> sanctimonious ****s.

Thanks greatly for the compliment.
Now please ejaculate to me from you the further honour of being dank and
filthy.

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