Yet another cyclist that thinks he knows the law [Archive]

MrCheerful

July 18th 15, 06:14 PM

On 18/07/2015 18:03, Rob Morley wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 03:53:49 -0700 (PDT)
> wrote:
>
>> http://tinyurl.com/odarkob
>>
>> "All I got back from him was the fact that I should not be parked on
>> the pavement. Having pointed out why we park on the pavement, the
>> abusive cyclist just kept ranting on swearing and shouting, and he
>> even threatened that he would report me to the police for illegal and
>> inconsiderate parking."
>>
>> Yet this cyclist was o9n the pavement.
>
> Many pavement cyclists seem unaware that what they are doing is illegal
> (except of course where the pavement is designated dual use) as well as
> silly. When I've occasionally confronted one who has come into direct
> conflict with pedestrians, they mostly seem surprised and confused.
>

It is worrying that confused people are using the roads in control of a
vehicle. Testing could weed many of them out of danger (to themselves
and others)

Mr Pounder Esquire

July 18th 15, 06:37 PM

"Rob Morley" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 03:53:49 -0700 (PDT)
> wrote:
>
>> http://tinyurl.com/odarkob
>>
>> "All I got back from him was the fact that I should not be parked on
>> the pavement. Having pointed out why we park on the pavement, the
>> abusive cyclist just kept ranting on swearing and shouting, and he
>> even threatened that he would report me to the police for illegal and
>> inconsiderate parking."
>>
>> Yet this cyclist was o9n the pavement.
>
> Many pavement cyclists seem unaware that what they are doing is illegal
> (except of course where the pavement is designated dual use) as well as
> silly. When I've occasionally confronted one who has come into direct
> conflict with pedestrians, they mostly seem surprised and confused.

Agreed 100%
I go out of my way to obstruct pavement riding cyclists. When I force them
back onto the road they always look at me with their gormless mouth wide
open.

>

Alycidon

July 18th 15, 06:44 PM

On Saturday, 18 July 2015 18:37:14 UTC+1, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
> "Rob Morley" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 03:53:49 -0700 (PDT)
> > wrote:
> >
> >> http://tinyurl.com/odarkob
> >>
> >> "All I got back from him was the fact that I should not be parked on
> >> the pavement. Having pointed out why we park on the pavement, the
> >> abusive cyclist just kept ranting on swearing and shouting, and he
> >> even threatened that he would report me to the police for illegal and
> >> inconsiderate parking."
> >>
> >> Yet this cyclist was o9n the pavement.
> >
> > Many pavement cyclists seem unaware that what they are doing is illegal
> > (except of course where the pavement is designated dual use) as well as
> > silly. When I've occasionally confronted one who has come into direct
> > conflict with pedestrians, they mostly seem surprised and confused.
>
> Agreed 100%
> I go out of my way to obstruct pavement riding cyclists. When I force them
> back onto the road they always look at me with their gormless mouth wide
> open.

You're not someone who does this are you?

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/images/localworld/ugc-images/276268/Article/images/25958610/9413270-large.jpg

colwyn[_2_]

July 18th 15, 07:41 PM

On 18/07/2015 18:37, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
> "Rob Morley" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 03:53:49 -0700 (PDT)
>> wrote:
>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/odarkob
>>>
>>> "All I got back from him was the fact that I should not be parked on
>>> the pavement. Having pointed out why we park on the pavement, the
>>> abusive cyclist just kept ranting on swearing and shouting, and he
>>> even threatened that he would report me to the police for illegal and
>>> inconsiderate parking."
>>>
>>> Yet this cyclist was o9n the pavement.
>>
>> Many pavement cyclists seem unaware that what they are doing is illegal
>> (except of course where the pavement is designated dual use) as well as
>> silly. When I've occasionally confronted one who has come into direct
>> conflict with pedestrians, they mostly seem surprised and confused.
>
> Agreed 100%
> I go out of my way to obstruct pavement riding cyclists. When I force them
> back onto the road they always look at me with their gormless mouth wide
> open.
>
>>
>
>
Lets hope you don't meet a someone armed with a knife! Some people seem
to carry weapons - do you?

Mr Pounder Esquire

July 18th 15, 07:48 PM

"Alycidon" > wrote in message
...
> On Saturday, 18 July 2015 18:37:14 UTC+1, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
>> "Rob Morley" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 03:53:49 -0700 (PDT)
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> http://tinyurl.com/odarkob
>> >>
>> >> "All I got back from him was the fact that I should not be parked on
>> >> the pavement. Having pointed out why we park on the pavement, the
>> >> abusive cyclist just kept ranting on swearing and shouting, and he
>> >> even threatened that he would report me to the police for illegal and
>> >> inconsiderate parking."
>> >>
>> >> Yet this cyclist was o9n the pavement.
>> >
>> > Many pavement cyclists seem unaware that what they are doing is illegal
>> > (except of course where the pavement is designated dual use) as well as
>> > silly. When I've occasionally confronted one who has come into direct
>> > conflict with pedestrians, they mostly seem surprised and confused.
>>
>> Agreed 100%
>> I go out of my way to obstruct pavement riding cyclists. When I force
>> them
>> back onto the road they always look at me with their gormless mouth wide
>> open.
>
> You're not someone who does this are you?
>
> http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/images/localworld/ugc-images/276268/Article/images/25958610/9413270-large.jpg

Absolutely not.
When I take my little dog out I sometimes push the door mirrors in on
vehicles that park too much on the footpath.
The **** down the road is getting due to meet my key.

>

Mr Pounder Esquire

July 18th 15, 07:53 PM

"colwyn" > wrote in message
...
> On 18/07/2015 18:37, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
>> "Rob Morley" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 03:53:49 -0700 (PDT)
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/odarkob
>>>>
>>>> "All I got back from him was the fact that I should not be parked on
>>>> the pavement. Having pointed out why we park on the pavement, the
>>>> abusive cyclist just kept ranting on swearing and shouting, and he
>>>> even threatened that he would report me to the police for illegal and
>>>> inconsiderate parking."
>>>>
>>>> Yet this cyclist was o9n the pavement.
>>>
>>> Many pavement cyclists seem unaware that what they are doing is illegal
>>> (except of course where the pavement is designated dual use) as well as
>>> silly. When I've occasionally confronted one who has come into direct
>>> conflict with pedestrians, they mostly seem surprised and confused.
>>
>> Agreed 100%
>> I go out of my way to obstruct pavement riding cyclists. When I force
>> them
>> back onto the road they always look at me with their gormless mouth wide
>> open.
>>
>>>
>>
>>
> Lets hope you don't meet a someone armed with a knife! Some people seem to
> carry weapons - do you?

Yes. I carry a 5" chisel in my back pocket just in case some ****** on a
****ing bicycle thinks he can get the better of an old man.

Tarcap

July 18th 15, 07:54 PM

"colwyn" wrote in message ...

On 18/07/2015 18:37, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
> "Rob Morley" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 03:53:49 -0700 (PDT)
>> wrote:
>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/odarkob
>>>
>>> "All I got back from him was the fact that I should not be parked on
>>> the pavement. Having pointed out why we park on the pavement, the
>>> abusive cyclist just kept ranting on swearing and shouting, and he
>>> even threatened that he would report me to the police for illegal and
>>> inconsiderate parking."
>>>
>>> Yet this cyclist was o9n the pavement.
>>
>> Many pavement cyclists seem unaware that what they are doing is illegal
>> (except of course where the pavement is designated dual use) as well as
>> silly. When I've occasionally confronted one who has come into direct
>> conflict with pedestrians, they mostly seem surprised and confused.
>
> Agreed 100%
> I go out of my way to obstruct pavement riding cyclists. When I force them
> back onto the road they always look at me with their gormless mouth wide
> open.
>
>>
>
>
Lets hope you don't meet a someone armed with a knife! Some people seem
to carry weapons - do you?

I think we're all aware that cyclists carry weapons - something Lord Justice
PhilWLee advises them to do.

Rob Morley

July 18th 15, 08:21 PM

On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 19:48:29 +0100
"Mr Pounder Esquire" > wrote:

> Absolutely not.
> When I take my little dog out I sometimes push the door mirrors in on
> vehicles that park too much on the footpath.
> The **** down the road is getting due to meet my key.
>
A key makes it hard to plead accident (so many people have CCTV these
days) - if you happen to walk with a stick your signet ring might make
heavy contact with the car several times as you struggle to squeeze by.
Not that I would condone such a thing, of course.

jnugent

July 18th 15, 08:39 PM

On 18/07/2015 18:44, Alycidon wrote:

> On Saturday, 18 July 2015 18:37:14 UTC+1, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
>> "Rob Morley" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 03:53:49 -0700 (PDT)
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/odarkob
>>>>
>>>> "All I got back from him was the fact that I should not be parked on
>>>> the pavement. Having pointed out why we park on the pavement, the
>>>> abusive cyclist just kept ranting on swearing and shouting, and he
>>>> even threatened that he would report me to the police for illegal and
>>>> inconsiderate parking."
>>>>
>>>> Yet this cyclist was o9n the pavement.
>>>
>>> Many pavement cyclists seem unaware that what they are doing is illegal
>>> (except of course where the pavement is designated dual use) as well as
>>> silly. When I've occasionally confronted one who has come into direct
>>> conflict with pedestrians, they mostly seem surprised and confused.
>>
>> Agreed 100%
>> I go out of my way to obstruct pavement riding cyclists. When I force them
>> back onto the road they always look at me with their gormless mouth wide
>> open.
>
> You're not someone who does this are you?
>
> http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/images/localworld/ugc-images/276268/Article/images/25958610/9413270-large.jpg

Is there something wrong with that?

The car isn't on a footway.

Mr Pounder Esquire

July 18th 15, 08:48 PM

"Rob Morley" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 19:48:29 +0100
> "Mr Pounder Esquire" > wrote:
>
>> Absolutely not.
>> When I take my little dog out I sometimes push the door mirrors in on
>> vehicles that park too much on the footpath.
>> The **** down the road is getting due to meet my key.
>>
> A key makes it hard to plead accident (so many people have CCTV these
> days) - if you happen to walk with a stick your signet ring might make
> heavy contact with the car several times as you struggle to squeeze by.
> Not that I would condone such a thing, of course.

I'm not quite ready for the walking stick, no CCTV and even if there was I
have had the hands out of pockets operation.
By necessity in my working life I had to jump the curb, but I did not block
the pavement.
This guy has a pikey hedge which intrudes onto the footpath, he parks as
close to his hedge as possible.
Oh! Him and his wife with two backs used to ride bicycles.
I did see him on crutches, seems he fell of his viable means of transport
and was on the old king cole for a while.
Yup, more benefits to cyclists.

>

Alycidon

July 18th 15, 09:57 PM

On Saturday, 18 July 2015 20:21:28 UTC+1, Rob Morley wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 19:48:29 +0100
> "Mr Pounder Esquire" > wrote:
>
> > Absolutely not.
> > When I take my little dog out I sometimes push the door mirrors in on
> > vehicles that park too much on the footpath.
> > The **** down the road is getting due to meet my key.
> >
> A key makes it hard to plead accident (so many people have CCTV these
> days) - if you happen to walk with a stick your signet ring might make
> heavy contact with the car several times as you struggle to squeeze by.
> Not that I would condone such a thing, of course.

Or just get the local plod to issue warnings to these morons.

http://www.swldxer.co.uk/parkers1.jpg

David Lang

July 18th 15, 10:45 PM

On 18/07/2015 18:44, Alycidon wrote:
> On Saturday, 18 July 2015 18:37:14 UTC+1, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
>> "Rob Morley" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 03:53:49 -0700 (PDT)
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/odarkob
>>>>
>>>> "All I got back from him was the fact that I should not be parked on
>>>> the pavement. Having pointed out why we park on the pavement, the
>>>> abusive cyclist just kept ranting on swearing and shouting, and he
>>>> even threatened that he would report me to the police for illegal and
>>>> inconsiderate parking."
>>>>
>>>> Yet this cyclist was o9n the pavement.
>>>
>>> Many pavement cyclists seem unaware that what they are doing is illegal
>>> (except of course where the pavement is designated dual use) as well as
>>> silly. When I've occasionally confronted one who has come into direct
>>> conflict with pedestrians, they mostly seem surprised and confused.
>>
>> Agreed 100%
>> I go out of my way to obstruct pavement riding cyclists. When I force them
>> back onto the road they always look at me with their gormless mouth wide
>> open.
>
> You're not someone who does this are you?
>
> http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/images/localworld/ugc-images/276268/Article/images/25958610/9413270-large.jpg
>
Can you explain the relevance to pavement cycling? The car isn't moving
or able to mow down pedestrians.

Tony Dragon

July 18th 15, 11:28 PM

On 18/07/2015 20:21, Rob Morley wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 19:48:29 +0100
> "Mr Pounder Esquire" > wrote:
>
>> Absolutely not.
>> When I take my little dog out I sometimes push the door mirrors in on
>> vehicles that park too much on the footpath.
>> The **** down the road is getting due to meet my key.
>>
> A key makes it hard to plead accident (so many people have CCTV these
> days) - if you happen to walk with a stick your signet ring might make
> heavy contact with the car several times as you struggle to squeeze by.
> Not that I would condone such a thing, of course.
>

My kids push chair used to do that, now it's more likely to be my
walking stick.

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Rob Morley

July 19th 15, 02:45 PM

On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 13:57:15 -0700 (PDT)
Alycidon > wrote:

> Or just get the local plod to issue warnings to these morons.
>
> http://www.swldxer.co.uk/parkers1.jpg
>
Is it a plod job or something for the council?

Alycidon

July 19th 15, 03:14 PM

On Sunday, 19 July 2015 14:45:31 UTC+1, Rob Morley wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 13:57:15 -0700 (PDT)
> Alycidon > wrote:
>
> > Or just get the local plod to issue warnings to these morons.
> >
> > http://www.swldxer.co.uk/parkers1.jpg
> >
> Is it a plod job or something for the council?

Wherever the local council is not responsible for issuing parking fines for nuisance parking on public land, the police are responsible instead.

jnugent

July 19th 15, 04:24 PM

On 19/07/2015 15:14, Alycidon wrote:

> On Sunday, 19 July 2015 14:45:31 UTC+1, Rob Morley wrote:
>> Alycidon > wrote:
>
>>> Or just get the local plod to issue warnings to these morons.
>
>>> http://www.swldxer.co.uk/parkers1.jpg
>
>> Is it a plod job or something for the council?
>
> Wherever the local council is not responsible for issuing parking fines for nuisance parking on public land, the police are responsible instead.

The police never deal with nuisance except where a specific provision
exists in criminal law (are you aware of one?).

Nuisance is, in general, a civil matter.

jnugent

July 19th 15, 05:11 PM

On 19/07/2015 17:07, Adia wrote:
> JNugent wrote:
>
>> On 19/07/2015 15:14, Alycidon wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, 19 July 2015 14:45:31 UTC+1, Rob Morley wrote:
>>>> Alycidon > wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Or just get the local plod to issue warnings to these morons.
>>>
>>>>> http://www.swldxer.co.uk/parkers1.jpg
>>>
>>>> Is it a plod job or something for the council?
>>>
>>> Wherever the local council is not responsible for issuing parking fines for nuisance parking on public land, the police are responsible instead.
>>
>> The police never deal with nuisance except where a specific provision
>> exists in criminal law (are you aware of one?).
>>
>> Nuisance is, in general, a civil matter.
>
> Be warned, though, parking on the pavement in Exeter is illegal.
> Exeter has a clause in its own Act of Parliament, the ‘Exeter City
> Act 1987’ - that's according to this link anyway:
>
> http://pedestrianliberation.org/2010/08/30/are-vehicles-allowed-to-park-on-the-pavement/
> Does this mean that if you want the parking on pavements problem
> solved by the police in your city or town, it may first need its own
> act of parliament?

It may mean that.

But relax.

Most big cities in England and Wales sponsor their own private Bill
through Parliament from time to time, specifically so that they gain the
power to create by-laws specific to their area. It simply isn't unknown.

Mr Pounder Esquire

July 19th 15, 05:17 PM

"JNugent" > wrote in message
...
> On 19/07/2015 17:07, Adia wrote:
>> JNugent wrote:
>>
>>> On 19/07/2015 15:14, Alycidon wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sunday, 19 July 2015 14:45:31 UTC+1, Rob Morley wrote:
>>>>> Alycidon > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Or just get the local plod to issue warnings to these morons.
>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.swldxer.co.uk/parkers1.jpg
>>>>
>>>>> Is it a plod job or something for the council?
>>>>
>>>> Wherever the local council is not responsible for issuing parking fines
>>>> for nuisance parking on public land, the police are responsible
>>>> instead.
>>>
>>> The police never deal with nuisance except where a specific provision
>>> exists in criminal law (are you aware of one?).
>>>
>>> Nuisance is, in general, a civil matter.
>>
>> Be warned, though, parking on the pavement in Exeter is illegal.
>> Exeter has a clause in its own Act of Parliament, the ‘Exeter City
>> Act 1987’ - that's according to this link anyway:
>>
>> http://pedestrianliberation.org/2010/08/30/are-vehicles-allowed-to-park-on-the-pavement/
>> Does this mean that if you want the parking on pavements problem
>> solved by the police in your city or town, it may first need its own
>> act of parliament?
>
> It may mean that.
>
> But relax.
>
> Most big cities in England and Wales sponsor their own private Bill
> through Parliament from time to time, specifically so that they gain the
> power to create by-laws specific to their area. It simply isn't unknown.

Would you say that it is correct that you can jump the kerb and park 2
wheels on the footpath unless the local council has erected signs saying
that it is an offense?
In my working life I had to park in some bad places and had to do this a
lot.

Alycidon

July 19th 15, 05:36 PM

On Sunday, 19 July 2015 17:07:10 UTC+1, Adia wrote:

> Be warned, though, parking on the pavement in Exeter is illegal.
> Exeter has a clause in its own Act of Parliament, the 'Exeter City
> Act 1987' - that's according to this link anyway:
>
> http://pedestrianliberation.org/2010/08/30/are-vehicles-allowed-to-park-on-the-pavement/
> Does this mean that if you want the parking on pavements problem
> solved by the police in your city or town, it may first need its own
> act of parliament?

QUOTE:

"If you park on public land and break the parking rules, you can be issued with a parking ticket. In many areas, including the whole of London, parking on public land is managed by the local council. Where it isn't, the police are responsible instead.

Parking tickets issued by the police are called Fixed Penalty Notices and are dealt with under the Criminal Justice system. The police don't have the power to make you pay fines on the spot. Penalty notices are enforced through the local Magistrate's Court."

When you break a parking rule in an area where parking is managed by the police, you commit a criminal offence. If you commit a parking offence, a police officer or traffic warden can fix a penalty notice to your vehicle. The details of the offence will be on the notice.

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/consumer/cars-and-other-vehicles/driving-and-parking/parking-tickets/parking-notices-issued-by-the-police/

You can also be fined for "nuisance parking" - for example, if you sell or repair cars in the road.

https://www.gov.uk/fixed-penalty-notices-issuing-and-enforcement-by-councils

jnugent

July 19th 15, 06:34 PM

On 19/07/2015 17:17, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
> "JNugent" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 19/07/2015 17:07, Adia wrote:
>>> JNugent wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 19/07/2015 15:14, Alycidon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, 19 July 2015 14:45:31 UTC+1, Rob Morley wrote:
>>>>>> Alycidon > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or just get the local plod to issue warnings to these morons.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.swldxer.co.uk/parkers1.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is it a plod job or something for the council?
>>>>>
>>>>> Wherever the local council is not responsible for issuing parking fines
>>>>> for nuisance parking on public land, the police are responsible
>>>>> instead.
>>>>
>>>> The police never deal with nuisance except where a specific provision
>>>> exists in criminal law (are you aware of one?).
>>>>
>>>> Nuisance is, in general, a civil matter.
>>>
>>> Be warned, though, parking on the pavement in Exeter is illegal.
>>> Exeter has a clause in its own Act of Parliament, the ‘Exeter City
>>> Act 1987’ - that's according to this link anyway:
>>>
>>> http://pedestrianliberation.org/2010/08/30/are-vehicles-allowed-to-park-on-the-pavement/
>>> Does this mean that if you want the parking on pavements problem
>>> solved by the police in your city or town, it may first need its own
>>> act of parliament?
>>
>> It may mean that.
>>
>> But relax.
>>
>> Most big cities in England and Wales sponsor their own private Bill
>> through Parliament from time to time, specifically so that they gain the
>> power to create by-laws specific to their area. It simply isn't unknown.
>
> Would you say that it is correct that you can jump the kerb and park 2
> wheels on the footpath unless the local council has erected signs saying
> that it is an offense?
> In my working life I had to park in some bad places and had to do this a
> lot.

My understanding is that in what used to be Greater London (it's
possible that it only applies to the former London County Council area,
or "Inner London"), parking on a footway is illegal unless there is
specific signage to disapply that general prohibition (and the signs are
there in some places).

In the rest of England and Wales, it is not illegal to park on a footway
unless there is a local by-law and signage to advise of the local
prohibition. And of course, there are places where that applies.

That doesn't mean that it's a good idea to park on a footway, but as you
say, there are some locations where parking in that manner is the only
practical proposition (other than not parking at all, which applies more
frequently than people seem to realise).

BTW: I was in a reasonably-sized town in the SE a few days ago, picking
up a package someone had bought on eBay. I was staggered to see how
little parking was available in that little grid-pattern of streets.
This was around 19:30. Anyone who had not yet got home (and there must
have been some) had NO chance of finding a spot anywhere in the
immediate area. I toured the vicinity looking for a spot to stop for ten
minutes, couldn't find one and had to just double-park, race in, collect
the item and scarper. Mind you, none of the vehicles were parked on the
footway.

Mr Pounder Esquire

July 19th 15, 06:57 PM

"JNugent" > wrote in message
...
> On 19/07/2015 17:17, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
>> "JNugent" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 19/07/2015 17:07, Adia wrote:
>>>> JNugent wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 19/07/2015 15:14, Alycidon wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, 19 July 2015 14:45:31 UTC+1, Rob Morley wrote:
>>>>>>> Alycidon > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Or just get the local plod to issue warnings to these morons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.swldxer.co.uk/parkers1.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is it a plod job or something for the council?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wherever the local council is not responsible for issuing parking
>>>>>> fines
>>>>>> for nuisance parking on public land, the police are responsible
>>>>>> instead.
>>>>>
>>>>> The police never deal with nuisance except where a specific provision
>>>>> exists in criminal law (are you aware of one?).
>>>>>
>>>>> Nuisance is, in general, a civil matter.
>>>>
>>>> Be warned, though, parking on the pavement in Exeter is illegal.
>>>> Exeter has a clause in its own Act of Parliament, the ‘Exeter City
>>>> Act 1987’ - that's according to this link anyway:
>>>>
>>>> http://pedestrianliberation.org/2010/08/30/are-vehicles-allowed-to-park-on-the-pavement/
>>>> Does this mean that if you want the parking on pavements problem
>>>> solved by the police in your city or town, it may first need its own
>>>> act of parliament?
>>>
>>> It may mean that.
>>>
>>> But relax.
>>>
>>> Most big cities in England and Wales sponsor their own private Bill
>>> through Parliament from time to time, specifically so that they gain the
>>> power to create by-laws specific to their area. It simply isn't unknown.
>>
>> Would you say that it is correct that you can jump the kerb and park 2
>> wheels on the footpath unless the local council has erected signs saying
>> that it is an offense?
>> In my working life I had to park in some bad places and had to do this a
>> lot.
>
> My understanding is that in what used to be Greater London (it's possible
> that it only applies to the former London County Council area, or "Inner
> London"), parking on a footway is illegal unless there is specific signage
> to disapply that general prohibition (and the signs are there in some
> places).
>
> In the rest of England and Wales, it is not illegal to park on a footway
> unless there is a local by-law and signage to advise of the local
> prohibition. And of course, there are places where that applies.
>
> That doesn't mean that it's a good idea to park on a footway, but as you
> say, there are some locations where parking in that manner is the only
> practical proposition (other than not parking at all, which applies more
> frequently than people seem to realise).
>
> BTW: I was in a reasonably-sized town in the SE a few days ago, picking up
> a package someone had bought on eBay. I was staggered to see how little
> parking was available in that little grid-pattern of streets. This was
> around 19:30. Anyone who had not yet got home (and there must have been
> some) had NO chance of finding a spot anywhere in the immediate area. I
> toured the vicinity looking for a spot to stop for ten minutes, couldn't
> find one and had to just double-park, race in, collect the item and
> scarper. Mind you, none of the vehicles were parked on the footway.

Taa, I thought that there had to be a local by-law and signage.
If possible I never jumped the kerb.
As for your parking problems ---------------------------------- nar, I won't
start slagging off the south again :-)

jnugent

July 19th 15, 07:08 PM

On 19/07/2015 18:57, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
> "JNugent" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 19/07/2015 17:17, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
>>> "JNugent" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 19/07/2015 17:07, Adia wrote:
>>>>> JNugent wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 19/07/2015 15:14, Alycidon wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sunday, 19 July 2015 14:45:31 UTC+1, Rob Morley wrote:
>>>>>>>> Alycidon > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Or just get the local plod to issue warnings to these morons.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.swldxer.co.uk/parkers1.jpg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is it a plod job or something for the council?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wherever the local council is not responsible for issuing parking
>>>>>>> fines
>>>>>>> for nuisance parking on public land, the police are responsible
>>>>>>> instead.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The police never deal with nuisance except where a specific provision
>>>>>> exists in criminal law (are you aware of one?).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nuisance is, in general, a civil matter.
>>>>>
>>>>> Be warned, though, parking on the pavement in Exeter is illegal.
>>>>> Exeter has a clause in its own Act of Parliament, the ‘Exeter City
>>>>> Act 1987’ - that's according to this link anyway:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://pedestrianliberation.org/2010/08/30/are-vehicles-allowed-to-park-on-the-pavement/
>>>>> Does this mean that if you want the parking on pavements problem
>>>>> solved by the police in your city or town, it may first need its own
>>>>> act of parliament?
>>>>
>>>> It may mean that.
>>>>
>>>> But relax.
>>>>
>>>> Most big cities in England and Wales sponsor their own private Bill
>>>> through Parliament from time to time, specifically so that they gain the
>>>> power to create by-laws specific to their area. It simply isn't unknown.
>>>
>>> Would you say that it is correct that you can jump the kerb and park 2
>>> wheels on the footpath unless the local council has erected signs saying
>>> that it is an offense?
>>> In my working life I had to park in some bad places and had to do this a
>>> lot.
>>
>> My understanding is that in what used to be Greater London (it's possible
>> that it only applies to the former London County Council area, or "Inner
>> London"), parking on a footway is illegal unless there is specific signage
>> to disapply that general prohibition (and the signs are there in some
>> places).
>>
>> In the rest of England and Wales, it is not illegal to park on a footway
>> unless there is a local by-law and signage to advise of the local
>> prohibition. And of course, there are places where that applies.
>>
>> That doesn't mean that it's a good idea to park on a footway, but as you
>> say, there are some locations where parking in that manner is the only
>> practical proposition (other than not parking at all, which applies more
>> frequently than people seem to realise).
>>
>> BTW: I was in a reasonably-sized town in the SE a few days ago, picking up
>> a package someone had bought on eBay. I was staggered to see how little
>> parking was available in that little grid-pattern of streets. This was
>> around 19:30. Anyone who had not yet got home (and there must have been
>> some) had NO chance of finding a spot anywhere in the immediate area. I
>> toured the vicinity looking for a spot to stop for ten minutes, couldn't
>> find one and had to just double-park, race in, collect the item and
>> scarper. Mind you, none of the vehicles were parked on the footway.
>
> Taa, I thought that there had to be a local by-law and signage.
> If possible I never jumped the kerb.
> As for your parking problems ---------------------------------- nar, I won't
> start slagging off the south again :-)

Unless car-ownership is lower oop narf, the same thing would apply in a
little network of terraced streets.

The street in Liverpool where I was raised used to have hardly any motor
vehicles in it when I were a lad. A 1971 (daytime) photo shows one car
parked in a street with about 150 houses in it.

Today... well.... let's just say that I don't bother even trying to park
there for visits.

Mr Pounder Esquire

July 19th 15, 07:24 PM

"JNugent" > wrote in message
...
> On 19/07/2015 18:57, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
>> "JNugent" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 19/07/2015 17:17, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
>>>> "JNugent" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 19/07/2015 17:07, Adia wrote:
>>>>>> JNugent wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 19/07/2015 15:14, Alycidon wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 19 July 2015 14:45:31 UTC+1, Rob Morley wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Alycidon > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Or just get the local plod to issue warnings to these morons.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.swldxer.co.uk/parkers1.jpg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is it a plod job or something for the council?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wherever the local council is not responsible for issuing parking
>>>>>>>> fines
>>>>>>>> for nuisance parking on public land, the police are responsible
>>>>>>>> instead.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The police never deal with nuisance except where a specific
>>>>>>> provision
>>>>>>> exists in criminal law (are you aware of one?).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nuisance is, in general, a civil matter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Be warned, though, parking on the pavement in Exeter is illegal.
>>>>>> Exeter has a clause in its own Act of Parliament, the ‘Exeter City
>>>>>> Act 1987’ - that's according to this link anyway:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://pedestrianliberation.org/2010/08/30/are-vehicles-allowed-to-park-on-the-pavement/
>>>>>> Does this mean that if you want the parking on pavements problem
>>>>>> solved by the police in your city or town, it may first need its own
>>>>>> act of parliament?
>>>>>
>>>>> It may mean that.
>>>>>
>>>>> But relax.
>>>>>
>>>>> Most big cities in England and Wales sponsor their own private Bill
>>>>> through Parliament from time to time, specifically so that they gain
>>>>> the
>>>>> power to create by-laws specific to their area. It simply isn't
>>>>> unknown.
>>>>
>>>> Would you say that it is correct that you can jump the kerb and park 2
>>>> wheels on the footpath unless the local council has erected signs
>>>> saying
>>>> that it is an offense?
>>>> In my working life I had to park in some bad places and had to do this
>>>> a
>>>> lot.
>>>
>>> My understanding is that in what used to be Greater London (it's
>>> possible
>>> that it only applies to the former London County Council area, or "Inner
>>> London"), parking on a footway is illegal unless there is specific
>>> signage
>>> to disapply that general prohibition (and the signs are there in some
>>> places).
>>>
>>> In the rest of England and Wales, it is not illegal to park on a footway
>>> unless there is a local by-law and signage to advise of the local
>>> prohibition. And of course, there are places where that applies.
>>>
>>> That doesn't mean that it's a good idea to park on a footway, but as you
>>> say, there are some locations where parking in that manner is the only
>>> practical proposition (other than not parking at all, which applies more
>>> frequently than people seem to realise).
>>>
>>> BTW: I was in a reasonably-sized town in the SE a few days ago, picking
>>> up
>>> a package someone had bought on eBay. I was staggered to see how little
>>> parking was available in that little grid-pattern of streets. This was
>>> around 19:30. Anyone who had not yet got home (and there must have been
>>> some) had NO chance of finding a spot anywhere in the immediate area. I
>>> toured the vicinity looking for a spot to stop for ten minutes, couldn't
>>> find one and had to just double-park, race in, collect the item and
>>> scarper. Mind you, none of the vehicles were parked on the footway.
>>
>> Taa, I thought that there had to be a local by-law and signage.
>> If possible I never jumped the kerb.
>> As for your parking problems ---------------------------------- nar, I
>> won't
>> start slagging off the south again :-)
>
> Unless car-ownership is lower oop narf, the same thing would apply in a
> little network of terraced streets.
>
> The street in Liverpool where I was raised used to have hardly any motor
> vehicles in it when I were a lad. A 1971 (daytime) photo shows one car
> parked in a street with about 150 houses in it.
>
> Today... well.... let's just say that I don't bother even trying to park
> there for visits.

The street where I was dragged up in on the outskirts of Manchester had I
think two cars parked on it. None were my dad's as he could not afford a
car. We left that street in 1962.
My best mate's dad had a car. He lived in a council house about 1/4 of a
mile away.

>

Kerr Mudd-John

July 20th 15, 10:40 AM

On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 19:53:51 +0100, Mr Pounder Esquire
> wrote:

[] a snip!

> Yes. I carry a 5" chisel in my back pocket just in case some ****** on a
> ****ing bicycle thinks he can get the better of an old man.
>
>
Sad old man

Aha, it's jealousy; you envy the fit cyclist!

--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug

Kerr Mudd-John

July 20th 15, 10:42 AM

On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 19:48:29 +0100, Mr Pounder Esquire
> wrote:

>
> "Alycidon" > wrote in message
> ...
[]
>>
>> You're not someone who does this are you?
>>
>> http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/images/localworld/ugc-images/276268/Article/images/25958610/9413270-large.jpg
>
> Absolutely not.
> When I take my little dog out I sometimes push the door mirrors in on
> vehicles that park too much on the footpath.
> The **** down the road is getting due to meet my key.
>
>
What? you dislike motorists as well?!

--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug

Kerr Mudd-John

July 20th 15, 11:06 AM

On Sun, 19 Jul 2015 17:17:45 +0100, Mr Pounder Esquire
> wrote:

>
> "JNugent" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 19/07/2015 17:07, Adia wrote:
>>> JNugent wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 19/07/2015 15:14, Alycidon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, 19 July 2015 14:45:31 UTC+1, Rob Morley wrote:
>>>>>> Alycidon > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or just get the local plod to issue warnings to these morons.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.swldxer.co.uk/parkers1.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is it a plod job or something for the council?
>>>>>
>>>>> Wherever the local council is not responsible for issuing parking
>>>>> fines
>>>>> for nuisance parking on public land, the police are responsible
>>>>> instead.
>>>>
>>>> The police never deal with nuisance except where a specific provision
>>>> exists in criminal law (are you aware of one?).
>>>>
>>>> Nuisance is, in general, a civil matter.
>>>
>>> Be warned, though, parking on the pavement in Exeter is illegal.
>>> Exeter has a clause in its own Act of Parliament, the â€˜Exeter City
>>> Act 1987â€™ - that's according to this link anyway:
>>>
>>> http://pedestrianliberation.org/2010/08/30/are-vehicles-allowed-to-park-on-the-pavement/
>>> Does this mean that if you want the parking on pavements problem
>>> solved by the police in your city or town, it may first need its own
>>> act of parliament?
>>
>> It may mean that.
>>
>> But relax.
>>
>> Most big cities in England and Wales sponsor their own private Bill
>> through Parliament from time to time, specifically so that they gain the
>> power to create by-laws specific to their area. It simply isn't unknown.
>
> Would you say that it is correct that you can jump the kerb and park 2
> wheels on the footpath unless the local council has erected signs saying
> that it is an offense?
> In my working life I had to park in some bad places and had to do this a
> lot.

Blocking the pavement for poor old men who might scratch your vehicle?
Taking a risk there.

--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug

Mr Pounder Esquire

July 20th 15, 12:36 PM

"Kerr Mudd-John" > wrote in message
...
On Sun, 19 Jul 2015 17:17:45 +0100, Mr Pounder Esquire
> wrote:

>
> "JNugent" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 19/07/2015 17:07, Adia wrote:
>>> JNugent wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 19/07/2015 15:14, Alycidon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, 19 July 2015 14:45:31 UTC+1, Rob Morley wrote:
>>>>>> Alycidon > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or just get the local plod to issue warnings to these morons.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.swldxer.co.uk/parkers1.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is it a plod job or something for the council?
>>>>>
>>>>> Wherever the local council is not responsible for issuing parking
>>>>> fines
>>>>> for nuisance parking on public land, the police are responsible
>>>>> instead.
>>>>
>>>> The police never deal with nuisance except where a specific provision
>>>> exists in criminal law (are you aware of one?).
>>>>
>>>> Nuisance is, in general, a civil matter.
>>>
>>> Be warned, though, parking on the pavement in Exeter is illegal.
>>> Exeter has a clause in its own Act of Parliament, the 'Exeter City
>>> Act 1987' - that's according to this link anyway:
>>>
>>> http://pedestrianliberation.org/2010/08/30/are-vehicles-allowed-to-park-on-the-pavement/
>>> Does this mean that if you want the parking on pavements problem
>>> solved by the police in your city or town, it may first need its own
>>> act of parliament?
>>
>> It may mean that.
>>
>> But relax.
>>
>> Most big cities in England and Wales sponsor their own private Bill
>> through Parliament from time to time, specifically so that they gain the
>> power to create by-laws specific to their area. It simply isn't unknown.
>
> Would you say that it is correct that you can jump the kerb and park 2
> wheels on the footpath unless the local council has erected signs saying
> that it is an offense?
> In my working life I had to park in some bad places and had to do this a
> lot.

Blocking the pavement for poor old men who might scratch your vehicle?
Taking a risk there.

If you had read and understood my remarks on this subject you just may have
read these words:
"By necessity in my working life I had to jump the curb, but I did not block
the pavement".
Do you understand these words, you dumb ****?

--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug

Mr Pounder Esquire

July 20th 15, 12:37 PM

"Kerr Mudd-John" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 19:53:51 +0100, Mr Pounder Esquire
> > wrote:
>
> [] a snip!
>
>> Yes. I carry a 5" chisel in my back pocket just in case some ****** on a
>> ****ing bicycle thinks he can get the better of an old man.
>>
>>
> Sad old man
>
> Aha, it's jealousy; you envy the fit cyclist!

Like most people I would not be seen dead on a child's toy.

Mr Pounder Esquire

July 21st 15, 05:23 PM

"Phil W Lee" > wrote in message
...
> "Mr Pounder Esquire" > considered Mon,
> 20 Jul 2015 12:36:12 +0100 the perfect time to write:
>
>>
>>"Kerr Mudd-John" > wrote in message
...
>>On Sun, 19 Jul 2015 17:17:45 +0100, Mr Pounder Esquire
> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "JNugent" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 19/07/2015 17:07, Adia wrote:
>>>>> JNugent wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 19/07/2015 15:14, Alycidon wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sunday, 19 July 2015 14:45:31 UTC+1, Rob Morley wrote:
>>>>>>>> Alycidon > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Or just get the local plod to issue warnings to these morons.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.swldxer.co.uk/parkers1.jpg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is it a plod job or something for the council?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wherever the local council is not responsible for issuing parking
>>>>>>> fines
>>>>>>> for nuisance parking on public land, the police are responsible
>>>>>>> instead.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The police never deal with nuisance except where a specific provision
>>>>>> exists in criminal law (are you aware of one?).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nuisance is, in general, a civil matter.
>>>>>
>>>>> Be warned, though, parking on the pavement in Exeter is illegal.
>>>>> Exeter has a clause in its own Act of Parliament, the 'Exeter City
>>>>> Act 1987' - that's according to this link anyway:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://pedestrianliberation.org/2010/08/30/are-vehicles-allowed-to-park-on-the-pavement/
>>>>> Does this mean that if you want the parking on pavements problem
>>>>> solved by the police in your city or town, it may first need its own
>>>>> act of parliament?
>>>>
>>>> It may mean that.
>>>>
>>>> But relax.
>>>>
>>>> Most big cities in England and Wales sponsor their own private Bill
>>>> through Parliament from time to time, specifically so that they gain
>>>> the
>>>> power to create by-laws specific to their area. It simply isn't
>>>> unknown.
>>>
>>> Would you say that it is correct that you can jump the kerb and park 2
>>> wheels on the footpath unless the local council has erected signs saying
>>> that it is an offense?
>>> In my working life I had to park in some bad places and had to do this a
>>> lot.
>>
>>Blocking the pavement for poor old men who might scratch your vehicle?
>>Taking a risk there.
>>
>>If you had read and understood my remarks on this subject you just may
>>have
>>read these words:
>>"By necessity in my working life I had to jump the curb, but I did not
>>block
>>the pavement".
>>Do you understand these words, you dumb ****?
>
> Jumping the kerb means you were driving on the footway.
> Do you understand that is illegal, you dumb ****?

Jumping the kerb in my case was common sense and was done for the
consideration of the other road users in a narrow street.
Do you understand what common sense and consideration for other road users
is all about, you dumb ****?

Tony Dragon

July 21st 15, 07:54 PM

On 21/07/2015 16:33, Phil W Lee wrote:
> "Mr Pounder Esquire" > considered Sun,
> 19 Jul 2015 18:57:04 +0100 the perfect time to write:
>
>>
>> "JNugent" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 19/07/2015 17:17, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
>>>> "JNugent" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 19/07/2015 17:07, Adia wrote:
>>>>>> JNugent wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 19/07/2015 15:14, Alycidon wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 19 July 2015 14:45:31 UTC+1, Rob Morley wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Alycidon > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Or just get the local plod to issue warnings to these morons.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.swldxer.co.uk/parkers1.jpg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is it a plod job or something for the council?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wherever the local council is not responsible for issuing parking
>>>>>>>> fines
>>>>>>>> for nuisance parking on public land, the police are responsible
>>>>>>>> instead.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The police never deal with nuisance except where a specific provision
>>>>>>> exists in criminal law (are you aware of one?).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nuisance is, in general, a civil matter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Be warned, though, parking on the pavement in Exeter is illegal.
>>>>>> Exeter has a clause in its own Act of Parliament, the ?xeter City
>>>>>> Act 1987?- that's according to this link anyway:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://pedestrianliberation.org/2010/08/30/are-vehicles-allowed-to-park-on-the-pavement/
>>>>>> Does this mean that if you want the parking on pavements problem
>>>>>> solved by the police in your city or town, it may first need its own
>>>>>> act of parliament?
>>>>>
>>>>> It may mean that.
>>>>>
>>>>> But relax.
>>>>>
>>>>> Most big cities in England and Wales sponsor their own private Bill
>>>>> through Parliament from time to time, specifically so that they gain the
>>>>> power to create by-laws specific to their area. It simply isn't unknown.
>>>>
>>>> Would you say that it is correct that you can jump the kerb and park 2
>>>> wheels on the footpath unless the local council has erected signs saying
>>>> that it is an offense?
>>>> In my working life I had to park in some bad places and had to do this a
>>>> lot.
>>>
>>> My understanding is that in what used to be Greater London (it's possible
>>> that it only applies to the former London County Council area, or "Inner
>>> London"), parking on a footway is illegal unless there is specific signage
>>> to disapply that general prohibition (and the signs are there in some
>>> places).
>>>
>>> In the rest of England and Wales, it is not illegal to park on a footway
>>> unless there is a local by-law and signage to advise of the local
>>> prohibition. And of course, there are places where that applies.
>>>
>>> That doesn't mean that it's a good idea to park on a footway, but as you
>>> say, there are some locations where parking in that manner is the only
>>> practical proposition (other than not parking at all, which applies more
>>> frequently than people seem to realise).
>>>
>>> BTW: I was in a reasonably-sized town in the SE a few days ago, picking up
>>> a package someone had bought on eBay. I was staggered to see how little
>>> parking was available in that little grid-pattern of streets. This was
>>> around 19:30. Anyone who had not yet got home (and there must have been
>>> some) had NO chance of finding a spot anywhere in the immediate area. I
>>> toured the vicinity looking for a spot to stop for ten minutes, couldn't
>>> find one and had to just double-park, race in, collect the item and
>>> scarper. Mind you, none of the vehicles were parked on the footway.
>>
>> Taa, I thought that there had to be a local by-law and signage.
>> If possible I never jumped the kerb.
>> As for your parking problems ---------------------------------- nar, I won't
>> start slagging off the south again :-)
>>
> Well, it's always illegal to drive on the footway except to cross it
> to adjacent premises, so unless yo bounced your car up the kerb or had
> it craned or fork-lifted in, yo were breaking the law anyway.
>
> Somehow, motorists think that they are allowed to do it whenever they
> want, yet it's a serious crime when cyclists do it out of fear.
> But it's exactly the same law.
>

Oh dear, my fellow workers & myself have often parked our vehicles on
the footway & it has always been legal.

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Alycidon

July 21st 15, 08:02 PM

On Tuesday, 21 July 2015 19:54:42 UTC+1, Tony Dragon wrote:

> >
> > Somehow, motorists think that they are allowed to do it whenever they
> > want, yet it's a serious crime when cyclists do it out of fear.
> > But it's exactly the same law.
> >
>
> Oh dear, my fellow workers & myself have often parked our vehicles on
> the footway & it has always been legal.

Yes - the police recommend it personally :-)

http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Vandals-smash-window-police-patrol-car-parked/story-27450084-detail/story.html

[email protected]

July 21st 15, 08:49 PM

On Saturday, July 18, 2015 at 11:53:50 AM UTC+1, wrote:
> http://tinyurl.com/odarkob
>
> "All I got back from him was the fact that I should not be parked on the pavement. Having pointed out why we park on the pavement, the abusive cyclist just kept ranting on swearing and shouting, and he even threatened that he would report me to the police for illegal and inconsiderate parking."
>
> Yet this cyclist was o9n the pavement.

I must tell the council workers who clean the footway, weed the footway, cut the grass by the footway that they are all doing something illegal.

Oh and the utility workers as well, they are going to be so surprised that their permits are illegal.

Tony Dragon

July 22nd 15, 06:32 AM

On 22/07/2015 00:21, Phil W Lee wrote:
> Alycidon > considered Tue, 21 Jul 2015 12:02:09
> -0700 (PDT) the perfect time to write:
>
>> On Tuesday, 21 July 2015 19:54:42 UTC+1, Tony Dragon wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> Somehow, motorists think that they are allowed to do it whenever they
>>>> want, yet it's a serious crime when cyclists do it out of fear.
>>>> But it's exactly the same law.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Oh dear, my fellow workers & myself have often parked our vehicles on
>>> the footway & it has always been legal.
>>
> Not according to s72 of the Highways Act 1835, which is still in force
> and the very law which is used to persecute cyclists who try to avoid
> being threatened by motorists.
> There doesn't appear to be any exemption for even the emergency
> services - maybe you should try looking it up?
> I'll even make it easy for you:
> http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Will4/5-6/50/section/72
> Maybe you perjured yourselves by claiming to have positioned the
> vehicle there by some means other than driving it?
>
>> Yes - the police recommend it personally :-)
>>
>> http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Vandals-smash-window-police-patrol-car-parked/story-27450084-detail/story.html

See Warrens reply on the 21st.

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