Tailbox for Bacchetta Aero

[Nathan Congdon]

A quick search suggests this topic has only been touched on here
obliquely in the past, my apologies if I have missed a previous
thread...

The RCN article on the Aero last year suggested that Rich Pinto was
thinking along the lines of doing a tailbox for the Aero. Has
anything been done in this area? Anybody done their own? Could a
standard M5 carbon lowracer tailbox fit, given that the M5 seat is
presumably the same as on the Aero? I think the M5 website suggests
their tailbox (not the luggage one, but the racing one) weighs about a
kg, and adds quite a bit of speed on the flat and downhill per their
own tests.

Thanks for your thoughts/experiences.

Nathan

[Mikael Seierup]

"Nathan Congdon" skrev...

> The RCN article on the Aero last year suggested that Rich Pinto was
> thinking along the lines of doing a tailbox for the Aero. Has
> anything been done in this area? Anybody done their own? Could a
> standard M5 carbon lowracer tailbox fit, given that the M5 seat is
> presumably the same as on the Aero? I think the M5 website suggests
> their tailbox (not the luggage one, but the racing one) weighs about a
> kg, and adds quite a bit of speed on the flat and downhill per their
> own tests.

At the risk of sounding like Tom a tailfairing is an aerodynamic shell
while a tailbox can actually carry something and still be aero (but heavier). :-)

The M5 tailfairing does indeed weigh about a kilo and its sweet to have.
I got one on my Velokraft. Finaggled an attachment to the seat using
aluminium L-profiles I popriveted together. M5 mounting kit came without
any instructions so I gave up on that pretty fast. It was for their lowracer anyway.
Bear in mind this fairing gives you absolutely no space for tools
or extra clothes etc. unless you rig something yourself. I made a little room
for tools, lock and pump in the "headhump" but I could do with some more
sometimes. Keeps weight down though. Its not as tall as the Optima tailfairing
so works best with a reclined seat.

Just my 2 cents. I know some people have them over in the US.

Mikael

[Mikael Seierup]

"Nathan Congdon" skrev...

> The RCN article on the Aero last year suggested that Rich Pinto was
> thinking along the lines of doing a tailbox for the Aero. Has
> anything been done in this area? Anybody done their own? Could a
> standard M5 carbon lowracer tailbox fit, given that the M5 seat is
> presumably the same as on the Aero? I think the M5 website suggests
> their tailbox (not the luggage one, but the racing one) weighs about a
> kg, and adds quite a bit of speed on the flat and downhill per their
> own tests.

At the risk of sounding like Tom a tailfairing is an aerodynamic shell
while a tailbox can actually carry something and still be aero (but heavier). :-)

The M5 tailfairing does indeed weigh about a kilo and its sweet to have.
I got one on my Velokraft. Finaggled an attachment to the seat using
aluminium L-profiles I popriveted together. M5 mounting kit came without
any instructions so I gave up on that pretty fast. It was for their lowracer anyway.
Bear in mind this fairing gives you absolutely no space for tools
or extra clothes etc. unless you rig something yourself. I made a little room
for tools, lock and pump in the "headhump" but I could do with some more
sometimes. Keeps weight down though. Its not as tall as the Optima tailfairing
so works best with a reclined seat.

Just my 2 cents. I know some people have them over in the US.

Mikael

[Cletus Lee]

In article >, says...
>
> "Nathan Congdon" skrev...
>
> > The RCN article on the Aero last year suggested that Rich Pinto was
> > thinking along the lines of doing a tailbox for the Aero. Has
> > anything been done in this area? Anybody done their own? Could a
> > standard M5 carbon lowracer tailbox fit, given that the M5 seat is
> > presumably the same as on the Aero? I think the M5 website suggests
> > their tailbox (not the luggage one, but the racing one) weighs about a
> > kg, and adds quite a bit of speed on the flat and downhill per their
> > own tests.
>
> At the risk of sounding like Tom a tailfairing is an aerodynamic shell
> while a tailbox can actually carry something and still be aero (but heavier). :-)
>
> The M5 tailfairing does indeed weigh about a kilo and its sweet to have.
> I got one on my Velokraft. Finaggled an attachment to the seat using
> aluminium L-profiles I popriveted together. M5 mounting kit came without
> any instructions so I gave up on that pretty fast. It was for their lowracer anyway.
> Bear in mind this fairing gives you absolutely no space for tools
> or extra clothes etc. unless you rig something yourself. I made a little room
> for tools, lock and pump in the "headhump" but I could do with some more
> sometimes. Keeps weight down though. Its not as tall as the Optima tailfairing
> so works best with a reclined seat.
>
> Just my 2 cents. I know some people have them over in the US.

And as I recall, they sure make changing a rear flat an experience to remember.

http://www.clee.org/Denmark/images/WebSize/IMG_0700.JPG

--

Cletus D. Lee
Bacchetta Giro
Lightning Voyager
http://www.clee.org
- Bellaire, TX USA -

[Cletus Lee]

In article >, says...
>
> "Nathan Congdon" skrev...
>
> > The RCN article on the Aero last year suggested that Rich Pinto was
> > thinking along the lines of doing a tailbox for the Aero. Has
> > anything been done in this area? Anybody done their own? Could a
> > standard M5 carbon lowracer tailbox fit, given that the M5 seat is
> > presumably the same as on the Aero? I think the M5 website suggests
> > their tailbox (not the luggage one, but the racing one) weighs about a
> > kg, and adds quite a bit of speed on the flat and downhill per their
> > own tests.
>
> At the risk of sounding like Tom a tailfairing is an aerodynamic shell
> while a tailbox can actually carry something and still be aero (but heavier). :-)
>
> The M5 tailfairing does indeed weigh about a kilo and its sweet to have.
> I got one on my Velokraft. Finaggled an attachment to the seat using
> aluminium L-profiles I popriveted together. M5 mounting kit came without
> any instructions so I gave up on that pretty fast. It was for their lowracer anyway.
> Bear in mind this fairing gives you absolutely no space for tools
> or extra clothes etc. unless you rig something yourself. I made a little room
> for tools, lock and pump in the "headhump" but I could do with some more
> sometimes. Keeps weight down though. Its not as tall as the Optima tailfairing
> so works best with a reclined seat.
>
> Just my 2 cents. I know some people have them over in the US.

And as I recall, they sure make changing a rear flat an experience to remember.

http://www.clee.org/Denmark/images/WebSize/IMG_0700.JPG

--

Cletus D. Lee
Bacchetta Giro
Lightning Voyager
http://www.clee.org
- Bellaire, TX USA -

[Mikael Seierup]

"Cletus Lee" skrev

> And as I recall, they sure make changing a rear flat an experience to remember.

Nope, not really. I could have taken the wheel off.
However I prefer leaving it on to avoid hassle with gears afterwards.

Mikael

[Mikael Seierup]

"Cletus Lee" skrev

> And as I recall, they sure make changing a rear flat an experience to remember.

Nope, not really. I could have taken the wheel off.
However I prefer leaving it on to avoid hassle with gears afterwards.

Mikael

[Ken Kobayashi]

On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:09:49 -0500, Cletus Lee >
wrote:
>
>And as I recall, they sure make changing a rear flat an experience to remember.

Maybe on a lowracer. On a highracer a tailbox sits above the rear
wheel, so it shouldn't interfere with the rear wheel.


Ken Kobayashi

http://solarwww.mtk.nao.ac.jp/kobayashi/personal/

[Ken Kobayashi]

On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:09:49 -0500, Cletus Lee >
wrote:
>
>And as I recall, they sure make changing a rear flat an experience to remember.

Maybe on a lowracer. On a highracer a tailbox sits above the rear
wheel, so it shouldn't interfere with the rear wheel.


Ken Kobayashi

http://solarwww.mtk.nao.ac.jp/kobayashi/personal/

[Bruce Shannahoff]

I made a coroplast tail fairing/box for my dual 650C Aerocycle. It
weighs about 2.5 lbs including mounting hardware. Since there is a
horizontal divider inside, it functions as a tail box holding my
hydration bladder and spare clothing, which is front loaded by where
it is wider than the M5 seat.

It seems I get that 1 to 1 1/2 mph speed gain that is usually
discussed, and most of the DF riders I hang out with freely complain
about the lack of draft they find behind me:>)

But best of all, I got the Ed Gin seal of approval for 'one of the
nicest coroplast tail fairings he's seen'.

I'd like to have a nice CF tail fairing, but it's tough to beat the
$12 materials charge to make a coro one.

Bruce Shannahoff
Los Angeles


> A quick search suggests this topic has only been touched on here
> obliquely in the past, my apologies if I have missed a previous
> thread...
>
> The RCN article on the Aero last year suggested that Rich Pinto was
> thinking along the lines of doing a tailbox for the Aero. Has
> anything been done in this area? Anybody done their own? Could a
> standard M5 carbon lowracer tailbox fit, given that the M5 seat is
> presumably the same as on the Aero? I think the M5 website suggests
> their tailbox (not the luggage one, but the racing one) weighs about a
> kg, and adds quite a bit of speed on the flat and downhill per their
> own tests.
>
> Thanks for your thoughts/experiences.
>
> Nathan

[Bruce Shannahoff]

I made a coroplast tail fairing/box for my dual 650C Aerocycle. It
weighs about 2.5 lbs including mounting hardware. Since there is a
horizontal divider inside, it functions as a tail box holding my
hydration bladder and spare clothing, which is front loaded by where
it is wider than the M5 seat.

It seems I get that 1 to 1 1/2 mph speed gain that is usually
discussed, and most of the DF riders I hang out with freely complain
about the lack of draft they find behind me:>)

But best of all, I got the Ed Gin seal of approval for 'one of the
nicest coroplast tail fairings he's seen'.

I'd like to have a nice CF tail fairing, but it's tough to beat the
$12 materials charge to make a coro one.

Bruce Shannahoff
Los Angeles


> A quick search suggests this topic has only been touched on here
> obliquely in the past, my apologies if I have missed a previous
> thread...
>
> The RCN article on the Aero last year suggested that Rich Pinto was
> thinking along the lines of doing a tailbox for the Aero. Has
> anything been done in this area? Anybody done their own? Could a
> standard M5 carbon lowracer tailbox fit, given that the M5 seat is
> presumably the same as on the Aero? I think the M5 website suggests
> their tailbox (not the luggage one, but the racing one) weighs about a
> kg, and adds quite a bit of speed on the flat and downhill per their
> own tests.
>
> Thanks for your thoughts/experiences.
>
> Nathan

[tzenobite]

In article >, Bruce
Shannahoff > wrote:

> I made a coroplast tail fairing/box for my dual 650C Aerocycle. It
[..]
> Bruce Shannahoff
> Los Angeles
any pics? ;-)

matteo
soon on a 2x26 trelis frame highracer

[tzenobite]

In article >, Bruce
Shannahoff > wrote:

> I made a coroplast tail fairing/box for my dual 650C Aerocycle. It
[..]
> Bruce Shannahoff
> Los Angeles
any pics? ;-)

matteo
soon on a 2x26 trelis frame highracer

[Torben Scheel]

"Cletus Lee" > wrote in message
...

> And as I recall, they sure make changing a rear flat an experience to
remember.
>
> http://www.clee.org/Denmark/images/WebSize/IMG_0700.JPG

And a little PhotoShop gymnastics reveals Cletus near the action. Thank's
for puncturing by the beach on a hot sunny day, Mikael!

Nice memories (maybe not for M.. ;-)

Cheers,
Torben

[Torben Scheel]

"Cletus Lee" > wrote in message
...

> And as I recall, they sure make changing a rear flat an experience to
remember.
>
> http://www.clee.org/Denmark/images/WebSize/IMG_0700.JPG

And a little PhotoShop gymnastics reveals Cletus near the action. Thank's
for puncturing by the beach on a hot sunny day, Mikael!

Nice memories (maybe not for M.. ;-)

Cheers,
Torben

[Torben Scheel]

"Torben Scheel" > babbled along in
...
> And a little PhotoShop gymnastics reveals Cletus near the action.

http://www.scheel.net/images/patch.jpg

[Torben Scheel]

"Torben Scheel" > babbled along in
...
> And a little PhotoShop gymnastics reveals Cletus near the action.

http://www.scheel.net/images/patch.jpg

[Mikael Seierup]

"Torben Scheel" skrev

> And a little PhotoShop gymnastics reveals Cletus near the action. Thank's
> for puncturing by the beach on a hot sunny day, Mikael!
>
> Nice memories (maybe not for M.. ;-)

Flats are no big deal. Except the one I got yesterday.
I was dressed for riding but not for patching flats. *brrrr*
(4-6 degrees C and a tad windy)

Mikael

[Mikael Seierup]

"Torben Scheel" skrev

> And a little PhotoShop gymnastics reveals Cletus near the action. Thank's
> for puncturing by the beach on a hot sunny day, Mikael!
>
> Nice memories (maybe not for M.. ;-)

Flats are no big deal. Except the one I got yesterday.
I was dressed for riding but not for patching flats. *brrrr*
(4-6 degrees C and a tad windy)

Mikael

[Torben Scheel]

"Mikael Seierup" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Torben Scheel" skrev
>
> > And a little PhotoShop gymnastics reveals Cletus near the action.
Thank's
> > for puncturing by the beach on a hot sunny day, Mikael!
> >
> > Nice memories (maybe not for M.. ;-)
>
> Flats are no big deal. Except the one I got yesterday.
> I was dressed for riding but not for patching flats. *brrrr*
> (4-6 degrees C and a tad windy)
I agree - but you missed all the nice sunbathing gal's ;-)

[Torben Scheel]

"Mikael Seierup" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Torben Scheel" skrev
>
> > And a little PhotoShop gymnastics reveals Cletus near the action.
Thank's
> > for puncturing by the beach on a hot sunny day, Mikael!
> >
> > Nice memories (maybe not for M.. ;-)
>
> Flats are no big deal. Except the one I got yesterday.
> I was dressed for riding but not for patching flats. *brrrr*
> (4-6 degrees C and a tad windy)
I agree - but you missed all the nice sunbathing gal's ;-)

[Bruce Shannahoff]

> Shannahoff > wrote:
>
> > I made a coroplast tail fairing/box for my dual 650C Aerocycle. It
> [..]
> > Bruce Shannahoff
> > Los Angeles
> any pics? ;-)
>
> matteo

Here are a couple:
http://bentupcycles.com/HPV%20races%20Oct%2026.htm

--Bruce

[Sticker Jim]

> http://solarwww.mtk.nao.ac.jp/kobayashi/personal/

Ken, that URL does a 404 error for me, is that the correct syntax? I'd like
to visit your site.