Re: Have $2500 to spend, what should I buy?

[Fabrizio Mazzoleni]

Pat wrote in message ...
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>
>
>Yes, you read it right: I have come into $2500

That's a start.

Just one set of Mavi Cosmic SSC will be somewhere
around the $1,200 mark and Campy Record Groupo
will set you back in the area of $1,300.

If you go with the Record Carbon cranks they run
in the $800 range.

You'll need about three or four wheelsets.

You should plan on building up maybe three
framesets, make one super light - in the 15lb
range for climbing, the others can tip the
scale at 16.5 lb for most events.

Get a loan, line of credit, and max out three
or four credit cards.

Then repeat next season.

[Fabrizio Mazzoleni]

Fabrizio Mazzoleni wrote in message ...

>
>Just one set of Mavi
>
He meant to say ' Mavic'

[Fabrizio Mazzoleni]

Zoot Katz wrote in message >...
>Sun, 10 Aug 2003 03:51:09 GMT,
>
>You forgot the airline tickets. There's no point having climbing bikes
>in Texas unless you've got a couple Columbians out front to ride em.

Who the heck said anything about Texas?
I think Pat said he's from Santa Cruz or something.

Pay attention!

[Hunrobe]

>"Pat"

wrote in part:

>I have come into $2500 with the stipulation that I
>buy a new bicycle.

So they finally couldn't stomach that celeste color anymore, huh? ;-)

What about spending just a portion of the money on a bare bones MTB suitable
for singletrack and using the rest for upgrades on your road bike?

Regards,
Bob Hunt

[Zoot Katz]

Sun, 10 Aug 2003 05:13:09 GMT,
>, Fabled cartographer
"Fabrizio Mazzoleni" > penned:

>
>Zoot Katz wrote in message >...
>>Sun, 10 Aug 2003 03:51:09 GMT,
>>
>>You forgot the airline tickets. There's no point having climbing bikes
>>in Texas unless you've got a couple Columbians out front to ride em.
>
>Who the heck said anything about Texas?
>I think Pat said he's from Santa Cruz or something.
>
>Pay attention!
>
Florida, Texas, what's the difference.
--
zk

[Fabrizio Mazzoleni]

Hunrobe wrote in message >...
>
>using the rest for upgrades on your road bike?

Bob he's got a Veloce frame, that thing is
made out of SL CrMo, you can't upgrade
something like that.

Imagine showing up for one of my rides
with a steel frame, it would be - put the
bike back on the roof rack and go home.

[Zoot Katz]

10 Aug 2003 05:24:40 GMT, >,
"Jiyang Chen" > wrote:

>What kind of columbians?

Good climbers, preferably.
--
zk

[Sorni]

"Zoot Katz" > wrote in message
...

> Florida, Texas, what's the difference.

Different hats.

Madder Bill

[Don Wiss]

On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 22:44:43 -0700, (Tom Keats) wrote:

>Pat > writes:
>
>> As I see it, I could get a road bike or a mountain bike.
>
>I'd be tempted to at least look at some of those stylish but
>pricey, hub-geared Breezer city bikes. But maybe that's
>not your cup of tea? Anyhow, it's another option besides
>road bikes and mountain bikes; maybe it's one worth exploring.

It wouldn't use but a portion of the $2500. Buying a recumbent could use it
all up. That is what I'd get.

Don <donwiss at panix.com>.

[Fabrizio Mazzoleni]

Preston Crawford wrote in message ...
>
>I'd buy a $600 to $1000 road bike. Get a good fitting done and pay my
>bills with the rest. But that's just me.
>
Preston, women don't like that kind of talk!

Here's the setup, like I've already stated
max out the cards and get a line of credit
and buy a nice pro bike, and make sure
it measures 52cm from the center of the
bottom bracket to the center of the top
tube.

Get some decent kit to wear as well.

[Tom Sherman]

This is what Fabrizio wants when he saves up $2500 from the allowance
his parents give to him.
< http://x-eyed.com/corsa1.html >

Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side)

[Stephen Harding]

Arpit wrote:
>
> A nice speaker system, and a walmart bike

How about a nice speaker system ON a Walmart bike?


SMH

[Pat]

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"Arpit" .
> A nice speaker system, and a walmart bike

They told me I have to spend it all at the bike shop. I can't take any cash
home with me.

:(

Pat in TX

[Preston Crawford]

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"Pat" > wrote in message
...
> I have to spend the money at the shop--that's part of the deal. I can't
take
> any cash out of it.

Ah. That changes things. Do you have to spend it all at once? If you don't
have clipless pedals you could spend some money there and on shoes. Get a
good pump, puncture-proof tires, stuff like that is useful.

Preston

[Art]

Zoot Katz > wrote in message >...
> 10 Aug 2003 05:24:40 GMT, >,
> "Jiyang Chen" > wrote:
>
> >What kind of columbians?
>
> Good climbers, preferably.

According to Webster's:
Columbia - Feminine personification of the United States

Columbian - 1. Of or relating to the United States. 2. Of or relating
to Christopher Columbus

Colombia - Country of NW South America with coastlines on the Pacific
and the Carribean. Capital - Bogota. Population 27,520,000

Art
Colombian from Bogota

[Zoot Katz]

11 Aug 2003 11:26:42 -0700,
>,
(Art) wrote:

>Art
>Colombian from Bogota

Remember, Christopher Columbus was lost. He figured he was in India.

I'm in "British Columbia" where the Columbia river; rises then flows
southward across the state of Washington and forms its border with
Oregon before emptying into the Pacific
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zk

[Tom Keats]

In article >,
Zoot Katz > writes:
> 11 Aug 2003 11:26:42 -0700,
> >,
> (Art) wrote:
>
>>Art
>>Colombian from Bogota
>
> Remember, Christopher Columbus was lost. He figured he was in India.
>
> I'm in "British Columbia" where the Columbia river; rises then flows
> southward across the state of Washington and forms its border with
> Oregon before emptying into the Pacific

Is it Bogota, (or is it Belize) that has those /real/ Car Free days?
As compared to the diluted, no-show version we get here.
There was an article in one of the first issues of Momentum;
maybe /the/ first. I'll have to dig it up some time.
Wherever it is, I wonder if they're still doing it.

Come to think of it, I believe our Car Free Day is coming up.

Awhile back I heard David Suzuki mentioning on TV how
we used to have a "Buy Nothing Day" one day per week.
I thought that was an interesting perspective.


cheers,
Tom

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[Alex Colvin]

>> I have to spend the money at the shop--that's part of the deal. I can't
>take
>> any cash out of it.

have your dealer meet you at the shop...

[Rick Onanian]

On 10 Aug 2003 05:24:40 GMT, Jiyang Chen > wrote:
> What kind of columbians?

The kind that ride out front.

> "Zoot Katz" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Sun, 10 Aug 2003 03:51:09 GMT,
>> >, Seriously
>> "Fabrizio Mazzoleni" > advised:
>> >
>> >Get a loan, line of credit, and max out three
>> >or four credit cards.
>> >
>> >Then repeat next season.
>>
>> You forgot the airline tickets. There's no point having climbing bikes
>> in Texas unless you've got a couple Columbians out front to ride em.
>> --
>> zk
>
>
>



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Rick Onanian

[Rick Onanian]

On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 01:37:58 -0500, Tom Sherman >
wrote:
> This is what Fabrizio wants when he saves up $2500 from the allowance
> his parents give to him.
> < http://x-eyed.com/corsa1.html >

Many pictures of 'bents that I've seen have looked
comfortable, but that one looks like a torture device!

> Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side)
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Rick Onanian

[Rick Onanian]

On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 11:04:16 -0500, Pat > wrote:
> They told me I have to spend it all at the bike shop. I can't take any
> cash home with me.

Buy yourself a fleet of nice bikes -- and something
nice for that kid who can't spend more than $150. I
feel so bad for him.

Let's see, with $2500, you could spend...

-- $1000 on a nice road bike. Nix that, you have one already.

-- $1200 on a nice FS MTB.
-- 500 on a hybrid
-- 500 on an insane BMX -- there's some territory
that nobody talks about here. I've been
considering that lately, must be fun.
-- 300 on accessories, clothes, components, and TOOLS!

If it's necessary to spend it all on a single bike, get an
insane MTB and upgrade it a lot before it leaves the shop.

If it's necessary to spend it all on a single, off-the-shelf
bike, see if your LBS can order that cool all-wheel-drive
MTB I saw on the cover of a magazine awhile back.

I can't imagine already having a good road bike that I'm
happy with, and then spending $2500, and not having any
more diversity in my bicycling...that's why I keep saying
to get the MTB. :)

> :(

What I wouldn't give to have your problem...

Can you describe the circumstances a little better? Maybe
we can all figure out how to have your problem!

> Pat in TX
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Rick Onanian

[Arpit]

On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:37:39 -0400, Rick Onanian >
wrote:

>On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 11:04:16 -0500, Pat > wrote:
>> They told me I have to spend it all at the bike shop. I can't take any
>> cash home with me.
>
>Buy yourself a fleet of nice bikes -- and something
>nice for that kid who can't spend more than $150. I
>feel so bad for him.

My parents paid 45 USD for my bike from kmart, but its very nice...
sigh :p

[David Kerber]

In article >,
says...
> x-no-archive:yes
>
> >
> > What I wouldn't give to have your problem...
> >
> > Can you describe the circumstances a little better? Maybe
> > we can all figure out how to have your problem!
> >
> > --
> > Rick Onanian
>
> It was a raffle. The check is made out to the bike shop, but in my name, for
> merchandise only. The raffle said, "Win a New Bike!" but they really meant,
> "Win a Gift Certificate". That figures, though, because they couldn't know
> if the winner would be short or tall. Anyway, I got so excited I entered
> another raffle for a new car. You never know---maybe I'm on a roll!
>
> I was thinking maybe a mountain bike with an extra set of wheels. You know,
> one set with slicks and one set with knobbies.....I have been doing a lot of
> thinking and I'm not finished playing around with it, yet. It seems to me
> that I could buy 'more' mountain bike for that amount than I could a road
> bike. I think my road bike frame is okay, and when the components wear out,
> I'll upgrade to better components. The road bike was new in 2001, after all!
> Only problem is, I am not sure I can take a bike made for Veloce components
> and put, say, Chorus on it....bottom bracket same size?

Go ahead and buy the components with the money. IIRC, a full Dura-Ace
group is around $1200. Then you have $1300 left for a MTB and
accessories.


--
David Kerber
An optimist says "Good morning, Lord." While a pessimist says "Good
Lord, it's morning".

Remove the ns_ from the address before e-mailing.

[Rick Onanian]

On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:52:56 -0500, Pat > wrote:
> I was thinking maybe a mountain bike with an extra set of wheels. You
> know,
> one set with slicks and one set with knobbies.....I have been doing a lot

That was an idea of mine back when I hadn't the money for
a road bike; but having a road bike, I don't imagine myself
wanting to ride the MTB on pavement again.

> that I could buy 'more' mountain bike for that amount than I could a road

Indeed, you could.

> Only problem is, I am not sure I can take a bike made for Veloce
> components and put, say, Chorus on it....bottom bracket same size?

Different BB size just means you'll put a different BB on.
No big deal.

> Maybe my brain will burst first! I have all sorts of wild thoughts
> running
> through it. A little voice in the back keeps saying "titanium????"

Go to the store and see what's there...then come back and
post a list. ;)

> Pat in TX
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Rick Onanian

[wyeaster]

Pat wrote:
> x-no-archive:yes
> >
> > What I wouldn't give to have your problem...
> >
> > Can you describe the circumstances a little better? Maybe we can all
> > figure out how to have your problem!
> >
> > --
> > Rick Onanian
> It was a raffle. The check is made out to the bike shop, but in my name,
> for merchandise only. The raffle said, "Win a New Bike!" but they really
> meant, "Win a Gift Certificate". That figures, though, because they
> couldn't know if the winner would be short or tall. Anyway, I got so
> excited I entered another raffle for a new car. You never know---maybe
> I'm on a roll!
> I was thinking maybe a mountain bike with an extra set of wheels. You
> know, one set with slicks and one set with knobbies.....I have been
> doing a lot of thinking and I'm not finished playing around with it,
> yet. It seems to me that I could buy 'more' mountain bike for that
> amount than I could a road bike. I think my road bike frame is okay, and
> when the components wear out, I'll upgrade to better components. The
> road bike was new in 2001, after all! Only problem is, I am not sure I
> can take a bike made for Veloce components and put, say, Chorus on
> it....bottom bracket same size?
> Maybe my brain will burst first! I have all sorts of wild thoughts
> running through it. A little voice in the back keeps saying
> "titanium????"
> Pat in TX



Hey, prices are down at lots of stores, due to the end of the season.
Where is our list of what the store carries??? Or do you just want to
flash your wad around? Do they carry Kona? Get a Stinky Deluxe. Giant?
Get a VT-1 or an NRS? Rocky Mountain? Get an Insinct. But get busy, we
don't have all month.

sm in OR



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[Mike Kruger]

"Zoot Katz" > wrote in message
...
>
> I'm in "British Columbia" where the Columbia river; rises then flows
> southward across the state of Washington and forms its border with
> Oregon before emptying into the Pacific

I could never understand this expression, although it is a common one.
A river never really "rises", unless perhaps it originates from geysers in
someplace like Yellowstone.
A river is always going downhill.

Returning to the original poster's question:
If he's never been motivated to buy a $350 mountain bike, it's pointless to
recommend something like that; it will just sit in the garage.
I'd recommend he look at something like a Waterford, which can be ordered by
a LBS and put together there; they aren't really "custom", just bikes with a
lot of options. The Waterfords are descendants of the old Schwinn
Paramount, the Schwinn family is still active in its management, and there
are several people in my local bike club who like theirs a lot.
http://www.waterfordbikes.com/

All my 6 bikes put together are nowhere near $2500, so take this advice with
a grain of salt.

[Pat]

> > x-no-archive:yes
>
> Hey, prices are down at lots of stores, due to the end of the season.
> Where is our list of what the store carries??? Or do you just want to
> flash your wad around? Do they carry Kona? Get a Stinky Deluxe. Giant?
> Get a VT-1 or an NRS? Rocky Mountain? Get an Insinct. But get busy, we
> don't have all month.
>
> sm in OR


I appreciate your input. No, they don't sell Kona or Giant. They sell
Trek, Specialized, Gary Fisher, Merlin, Seven,Ind. Fabrications, Klein,
Litespeed, Rocky Mountain, and Serotta. I have been talking back and forth
with my local bike shop and I am leaning toward the Rocky Mountain ETSX-70.
The want to sell me one for $3100, so I would have to add some money to the
gift certificate, but what is your opinion of this bike? I am definitely
leaning toward a mtn bike and the Seven Duo costs $3510 for frame alone....

Pat

[Mike Kruger]

"Pat" > wrote in message
...
> ...I would have to add some money to the
> gift certificate, ...

Oh, so it's a gift certificate we are talking about -- not, for example, an
accident settlement.
So, here's a possible idea:

For the last couple of years, my wife has given me a gift certificate to my
favorite LBS for Christmas.
(nowhere near $2500, of course) The LBS owner enters this as a credit
balance in his shop computer, and I run it off during the year. He also
automatically enters my "bike club" discount in there. The credit balance
occasionally confuses the junior shop staff, but overall this works out
well. In particular, rather than taking my business for granted (since I'm
"prepaid"), I'm treated as a likely long term customer.

So, you might consider getting a bike for about $1600-1800, outfitting it
nicely, and leaving the remainder for future tires, tubes, repairs, etc.

[Bernie]

Mike Kruger wrote:

> "Pat" > wrote in message
> ...
> > ...I would have to add some money to the
> > gift certificate, ...
>
> Oh, so it's a gift certificate we are talking about -- not, for example, an
> accident settlement.
> So, here's a possible idea:
>
> For the last couple of years, my wife has given me a gift certificate to my
> favorite LBS for Christmas.
> (nowhere near $2500, of course) The LBS owner enters this as a credit
> balance in his shop computer, and I run it off during the year. He also
> automatically enters my "bike club" discount in there. The credit balance
> occasionally confuses the junior shop staff, but overall this works out
> well. In particular, rather than taking my business for granted (since I'm
> "prepaid"), I'm treated as a likely long term customer.
>
> So, you might consider getting a bike for about $1600-1800, outfitting it
> nicely, and leaving the remainder for future tires, tubes, repairs, etc.

I think you have it nailed Ryan. Since my LBS owners realized I was "their"
customer, I get really good service, unasked for discounts, and they will order
anything I ask for, no need for a deposit. I enjoy the relationship. Chain
stores and bigger bicycle retailers just can't perform like this.
Sometimes I pay more than I'd pay at a larger supplier, but I get freebies like
no charge brake tune ups, derailleur adjustments while we are having a cool one
and discussing how Lance does it...
That kind of "ambience" is more than dollar valuable. It enhances the quality
of one's life.
Experience tells me it is good to do business with your fave bike shop.
Best regards, Bernie

[Pat]

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> >
> > Oh, so it's a gift certificate we are talking about -- not, for example,
an
> > accident settlement.
> > So, here's a possible idea:
> >
> > For the last couple of years, my wife has given me a gift certificate to
my
> > favorite LBS for Christmas.
> > (nowhere near $2500, of course) The LBS owner enters this as a credit
> > balance in his shop computer, and I run it off during the year. He also
> > automatically enters my "bike club" discount in there. The credit
balance
> > occasionally confuses the junior shop staff, but overall this works out
> > well. In particular, rather than taking my business for granted (since
I'm
> > "prepaid"), I'm treated as a likely long term customer.
> >
> > So, you might consider getting a bike for about $1600-1800, outfitting
it
> > nicely, and leaving the remainder for future tires, tubes, repairs, etc.


You have a good idea, but in my case, I doubt it would work. The raffle
that I won specifies the money be spent at a certain bike shop on a new
bicycle. That limits things a bit. However, I had totally forgotten about
the bike club discount (hereabouts, that amounts to 10%). Maybe I can
parlay that on top of the gift certificate .....




>
> I think you have it nailed Ryan. Since my LBS owners realized I was
"their"
> customer, I get really good service, unasked for discounts, and they will
order
> anything I ask for, no need for a deposit. I enjoy the relationship.
Chain
> stores and bigger bicycle retailers just can't perform like this.
> Sometimes I pay more than I'd pay at a larger supplier, but I get freebies
like
> no charge brake tune ups, derailleur adjustments while we are having a
cool one
> and discussing how Lance does it...
> That kind of "ambience" is more than dollar valuable. It enhances the
quality
> of one's life.
> Experience tells me it is good to do business with your fave bike shop.
> Best regards, Bernie

Your idea is good, too, but not in my case. Why? Because the bike shop is 55
miles from my front door. It is not my local bike shop! I wish I could
spend the certificate locally, but I can't.

Pat in TX

>
>
>

[Bernie]

Pat wrote:

> x-no-archive:yes
>
> > >
> > > Oh, so it's a gift certificate we are talking about -- not, for example,
> an
> > > accident settlement.
> > > So, here's a possible idea:
> > >
> > > For the last couple of years, my wife has given me a gift certificate to
> my
> > > favorite LBS for Christmas.
> > > (nowhere near $2500, of course) The LBS owner enters this as a credit
> > > balance in his shop computer, and I run it off during the year. He also
> > > automatically enters my "bike club" discount in there. The credit
> balance
> > > occasionally confuses the junior shop staff, but overall this works out
> > > well. In particular, rather than taking my business for granted (since
> I'm
> > > "prepaid"), I'm treated as a likely long term customer.
> > >
> > > So, you might consider getting a bike for about $1600-1800, outfitting
> it
> > > nicely, and leaving the remainder for future tires, tubes, repairs, etc.
>
> You have a good idea, but in my case, I doubt it would work. The raffle
> that I won specifies the money be spent at a certain bike shop on a new
> bicycle. That limits things a bit. However, I had totally forgotten about
> the bike club discount (hereabouts, that amounts to 10%). Maybe I can
> parlay that on top of the gift certificate .....
>
> >
> > I think you have it nailed Ryan. Since my LBS owners realized I was
> "their"
> > customer, I get really good service, unasked for discounts, and they will
> order
> > anything I ask for, no need for a deposit. I enjoy the relationship.
> Chain
> > stores and bigger bicycle retailers just can't perform like this.
> > Sometimes I pay more than I'd pay at a larger supplier, but I get freebies
> like
> > no charge brake tune ups, derailleur adjustments while we are having a
> cool one
> > and discussing how Lance does it...
> > That kind of "ambience" is more than dollar valuable. It enhances the
> quality
> > of one's life.
> > Experience tells me it is good to do business with your fave bike shop.
> > Best regards, Bernie
>
> Your idea is good, too, but not in my case. Why? Because the bike shop is 55
> miles from my front door. It is not my local bike shop! I wish I could
> spend the certificate locally, but I can't.
>
> Pat in TX
>
> >

Life's like that sometimes! I'd get the max value out of the certificate in
that case, even if it means putting some money on top of it. That would mean a
super bike for small cash.
Best regards, Bernie