Broken Collar Bone

[Chuck Anderson]

I don't know why, but I never anticipated injuring myself so severely.
Last Friday I was riding too aggressively, hammering away when I pegged
the inside pedal on a tight curve (I was pedaling - du-uh) and crashed
hard. I broke my left collar bone (broke the last inch or so right off.)

And wouldn't you know, just a few days earlier I had purchased my plane
ticket to Frankfurt (depart July 5 - return July 27). Now I don't know
if I'll be able to make that trip. They way I feel today (5 days later),
arm in a sling and still feeling very very very tender and sensitive, it
seems unlikely.

I've heard it could take anything from 4 weeks to 4 months to heal. And
even if I do heal enough to ride (July 5 is still 5 ½ weeks a way), I
don't know if I would be ready to sleep on the ground in my tent. The
Emergency Room doc said 4 - 6 weeks. Some online searches have indicated
it could be months.

The doctor said that there was nothing that should be done for the break
(other than immobilize my arm in a sling). The collar bone is the most
"mendable" bone in the body, and the two pieces of bone will find their
way back together and mend on their own. It seems odd, but all research
I've done indicated that is so.

Does anyone here have any advice or experience to relate? Should I hold
out hope for a cycling camping trip in July? (My Lufthansa ticket *is*
restricted, but they said I can get a full refund with a medical
certificate.) Any therapy I should consider?

Amazing how much can change in a fraction of a second. Wish I had a do-over.

(I am seeing an orthopedic doctor on Friday, so hopefully he can tell me
more.)

--
*****************************
Chuck Anderson • Boulder, CO
http://www.CycleTourist.com
Integrity is obvious.
The lack of it is common.
*****************************

[Denver C. Fox]

>Amazing how much can change in a fraction of a second. Wish I had a do-over.

So sorry to heear of your accident.

I do hope all goes well and you can make your trip!

Never broken anything except my big toe, so my experience is of little help.

Good luck and best wishes.


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[Beverly]

Sorry I don't have any advice. I've never had a broken bone.
My youngest daughter did break a collar bone when she was a teenager and I
don't remember it keeping her from too many activities. Hopefully you'll
have the same experience.

Hope it heals soon and you can do the trip.

Beverly


"Chuck Anderson" > wrote in message
news:%D8tc.116868$536.21977098@attbi_s03...
> I don't know why, but I never anticipated injuring myself so severely.
> Last Friday I was riding too aggressively, hammering away when I pegged
> the inside pedal on a tight curve (I was pedaling - du-uh) and crashed
> hard. I broke my left collar bone (broke the last inch or so right off.)
>
> And wouldn't you know, just a few days earlier I had purchased my plane
> ticket to Frankfurt (depart July 5 - return July 27). Now I don't know
> if I'll be able to make that trip. They way I feel today (5 days later),
> arm in a sling and still feeling very very very tender and sensitive, it
> seems unlikely.
>
> I've heard it could take anything from 4 weeks to 4 months to heal. And
> even if I do heal enough to ride (July 5 is still 5 ½ weeks a way), I
> don't know if I would be ready to sleep on the ground in my tent. The
> Emergency Room doc said 4 - 6 weeks. Some online searches have indicated
> it could be months.
>
> The doctor said that there was nothing that should be done for the break
> (other than immobilize my arm in a sling). The collar bone is the most
> "mendable" bone in the body, and the two pieces of bone will find their
> way back together and mend on their own. It seems odd, but all research
> I've done indicated that is so.
>
> Does anyone here have any advice or experience to relate? Should I hold
> out hope for a cycling camping trip in July? (My Lufthansa ticket *is*
> restricted, but they said I can get a full refund with a medical
> certificate.) Any therapy I should consider?
>
> Amazing how much can change in a fraction of a second. Wish I had a
do-over.
>
> (I am seeing an orthopedic doctor on Friday, so hopefully he can tell me
> more.)
>
> --
> *****************************
> Chuck Anderson • Boulder, CO
> http://www.CycleTourist.com
> Integrity is obvious.
> The lack of it is common.
> *****************************

[Bob]

2.5 years and my collar bone is healed about 50%. For most of that time, it
had only healed 20%. My non-union is fairly rare, but it was the last 1" of
bone, just like yours. From what I understand, collar bone non-unions are
less rare when you get out near the end like that. I had to use two
different electro-stimulation units to help bone growth.

' hope your recovery goes better than mine.

-Bob

[Mark Boyd]

On Wed, 26 May 2004, Chuck Anderson wrote:

> I don't know why, but I never anticipated injuring myself so severely.
> Last Friday I was riding too aggressively, hammering away when I pegged
> the inside pedal on a tight curve (I was pedaling - du-uh) and crashed
> hard. I broke my left collar bone (broke the last inch or so right off.)
>
> And wouldn't you know, just a few days earlier I had purchased my plane
> ticket to Frankfurt (depart July 5 - return July 27). Now I don't know
> if I'll be able to make that trip. They way I feel today (5 days later),
> arm in a sling and still feeling very very very tender and sensitive, it
> seems unlikely.
>
> I've heard it could take anything from 4 weeks to 4 months to heal. And
> even if I do heal enough to ride (July 5 is still 5 =BD weeks a way), I
> don't know if I would be ready to sleep on the ground in my tent. The
> Emergency Room doc said 4 - 6 weeks. Some online searches have indicated
> it could be months.
>
> The doctor said that there was nothing that should be done for the break
> (other than immobilize my arm in a sling). The collar bone is the most
> "mendable" bone in the body, and the two pieces of bone will find their
> way back together and mend on their own. It seems odd, but all research
> I've done indicated that is so.

You should have a figure 8 brace that pulls your shoulders back, With out
that, the collarbone will heal short and your shoulder will be pulled
forward.

> Does anyone here have any advice or experience to relate? Should I hold
> out hope for a cycling camping trip in July? (My Lufthansa ticket *is*
> restricted, but they said I can get a full refund with a medical
> certificate.) Any therapy I should consider?

Go ahead and do your tour!

I broke my left collarbone - in two places about 2" apart - eight year ago
next week - on Memorial Day - on the first day of my first cross country
ride. I was in Oregon, and planned to ride back to North Carolina. The Dr
said wear this figure eight brace and in three or four months you'll be
fine. I said 'What a way to waste a summer!"

I broke my collarbone on Monday. On Wednesday I rigged my bike so I could
shift the front derailleur with my right hand - thumb shifter - and use
the front brake with my right hand. I also took off my aerobars - no way I
could use them!- and raised the handlebars level with the seat. It was
painful working on my bike, but I managed. On Friday I continued my trip
across the country. There were several painful moments on the ride, but I
think I probably hurt much less than I would have if I abandoned my trip.
I camped several times in the first few weeks. I was a challenge putting
up my tent, but sleeping was OK. I had to sleep on my back all summer and
for several months into the fall. Other than that, I was able to use my
left arm fairly normally after I finished my tour <grin>.

See http://www.cs.unca.edu/~boyd/touring/tour96/crossusa.html for the ride
report.

=09Mark <http://www.cs.unca.edu/~boyd/bicycling.html>

PS Tomorrow I fly to Portland and Saturday through Monday I'll be visiting
the folks who helped me when I broke my collarbone. This will be the
fourth time I've been in Dallas Oregon by bicycle. Well, the first time I
arrived in an ambulance, but I left, four days later, on my bicycle.

[Mike Latondresse]

Chuck Anderson > wrote in
news:%D8tc.116868$536.21977098@attbi_s03:

> Does anyone here have any advice or experience to relate? Should I
> hold out hope for a cycling camping trip in July? (My Lufthansa
> ticket *is* restricted, but they said I can get a full refund with
> a medical certificate.) Any therapy I should consider?
>
I found that I could ride gingerly after about 4 weeks and progress was
swift from there on....you have roughly 5 1/2, tough decision.

[Michael MacClancy]

On Wed, 26 May 2004 22:13:16 GMT, Chuck Anderson wrote:

> I don't know why, but I never anticipated injuring myself so severely.
> Last Friday I was riding too aggressively, hammering away when I pegged
> the inside pedal on a tight curve (I was pedaling - du-uh) and crashed
> hard. I broke my left collar bone (broke the last inch or so right off.)
>
> And wouldn't you know, just a few days earlier I had purchased my plane
> ticket to Frankfurt (depart July 5 - return July 27). Now I don't know
> if I'll be able to make that trip. They way I feel today (5 days later),
> arm in a sling and still feeling very very very tender and sensitive, it
> seems unlikely.
>
> I've heard it could take anything from 4 weeks to 4 months to heal. And
> even if I do heal enough to ride (July 5 is still 5 ½ weeks a way), I
> don't know if I would be ready to sleep on the ground in my tent. The
> Emergency Room doc said 4 - 6 weeks. Some online searches have indicated
> it could be months.
>
> The doctor said that there was nothing that should be done for the break
> (other than immobilize my arm in a sling). The collar bone is the most
> "mendable" bone in the body, and the two pieces of bone will find their
> way back together and mend on their own. It seems odd, but all research
> I've done indicated that is so.
>
> Does anyone here have any advice or experience to relate? Should I hold
> out hope for a cycling camping trip in July? (My Lufthansa ticket *is*
> restricted, but they said I can get a full refund with a medical
> certificate.) Any therapy I should consider?
>
> Amazing how much can change in a fraction of a second. Wish I had a do-over.
>
> (I am seeing an orthopedic doctor on Friday, so hopefully he can tell me
> more.)

Sorry to hear about my accident. My wife came off her bike and broke her
left collarbone last August, probably even closer to the end than you. She
had surgery to put a plate into it. (Search on google for clavicle hook
plate.) She was running (slowly) within 7 days and we went on holiday
after 3 weeks. We were cycling on steep alpine roads and tracks and she
was fine apart from a slight miscomfort after long descents. She's a bit
younger than you and the surgery may not be an option for you but it does
suggest that the injury need not stop your holiday.

The orthopaedic specialist will undoubtedly be able to consider all your
options.
--
Michael MacClancy
Random putdown - "He had delusions of adequacy." - Walter Kerr
www.macclancy.demon.co.uk
www.macclancy.co.uk

[James Cassatt]

I have broken two of them, one on each side. The first healed rather
quickly, 6 weeks, the other took forever, 6 mos. Once the soft tissue
damage heals, within a week, you should feel much more comfortable.
As sugggested, get a figure 8 strap, the sooner the better. You will
feel much more comfortable. As far as riding, the doctor warned me
against it saying if I crash I could make matters much worse.
However, he did say that riding itself would do nothing. Good luck

Jim

Chuck Anderson > wrote in message news:<%D8tc.116868$536.21977098@attbi_s03>...
> I don't know why, but I never anticipated injuring myself so severely.
> Last Friday I was riding too aggressively, hammering away when I pegged
> the inside pedal on a tight curve (I was pedaling - du-uh) and crashed
> hard. I broke my left collar bone (broke the last inch or so right off.)
>
> And wouldn't you know, just a few days earlier I had purchased my plane
> ticket to Frankfurt (depart July 5 - return July 27). Now I don't know
> if I'll be able to make that trip. They way I feel today (5 days later),
> arm in a sling and still feeling very very very tender and sensitive, it
> seems unlikely.
>
> I've heard it could take anything from 4 weeks to 4 months to heal. And
> even if I do heal enough to ride (July 5 is still 5 ½ weeks a way), I
> don't know if I would be ready to sleep on the ground in my tent. The
> Emergency Room doc said 4 - 6 weeks. Some online searches have indicated
> it could be months.
>
> The doctor said that there was nothing that should be done for the break
> (other than immobilize my arm in a sling). The collar bone is the most
> "mendable" bone in the body, and the two pieces of bone will find their
> way back together and mend on their own. It seems odd, but all research
> I've done indicated that is so.
>
> Does anyone here have any advice or experience to relate? Should I hold
> out hope for a cycling camping trip in July? (My Lufthansa ticket *is*
> restricted, but they said I can get a full refund with a medical
> certificate.) Any therapy I should consider?
>
> Amazing how much can change in a fraction of a second. Wish I had a do-over.
>
> (I am seeing an orthopedic doctor on Friday, so hopefully he can tell me
> more.)

[Janet]

Watching someone
> take a body slam in a movie or TV show makes me cringe inside out - - -
> owwwwww!
>

I know what you mean. I sprained an ACL a couple of years ago skiing and
now it's fine - except that it hurts when I'm watching a football game
and someone twists their knee....

Anyway, can't give you specific advice for the collerbone, but I found
for my knee that it helped to have a good sports-medicine orthopedist
(mine had previous experience with professional baseball and football
teams). If you need physical therapy, find a PT that is into
sports-medicine.

Hope you heal fast and can get back on the bike soon.

Janet

[Sunastar]

Chuck,

Ask your doc if calcium supplements will help. Probably couldn't hurt.
From what I've read, there is NO benefit from calcium supplements being
made from oyster shell, egg shell or even emotional shell.

Tom Dillon
Lakewood, CO
Z to S for email.

[David Dermott]

On Wed, 26 May 2004, Chuck Anderson wrote:
> .... I broke my left collar bone (broke the last inch or so right off.)
>
> And wouldn't you know, just a few days earlier I had purchased my plane
> ticket to Frankfurt (depart July 5 - return July 27). Now I don't know
> if I'll be able to make that trip. They way I feel today (5 days later),
> arm in a sling and still feeling very very very tender and sensitive, it
> seems unlikely.
>
> I've heard it could take anything from 4 weeks to 4 months to heal. And

I guess I was lucky, although I didn't think so at the time. Crashed
my bike (it involved a chasing dog). Two bent wheels, one broken
clavicle and road rash. The ER doctor just took an X-ray, put on a
figure-8 bandage and said it would take 3 or 4 weeks to heal. The most
painful days were in the first week - rolling over the wrong way in bed
really hurt!

The figure-8 bandage didn't restrict motion very much. Amazing
that it holds the bone in place! I could use my left hand for light work.

After about 2 weeks it felt much better. I waited 4 weeks before a
return visit to a doctor for checkup- maybe it would have been OK after
3 weeks. I hadn't looked at my bike in 4 weeks, then it took a week to
get the wheels fixed. 5 weeks after the crash I went on a 100 km ride.
The hardest things were carrying my bike ( up a flight of stairs to my
apartment) and using a hand pump- fortunately I didn't get any flat
tires the next few weeks!

In 4 weeks I had turned into a "couch potato"! Fortunately, I walked
about 4 km a day to work, shopping etc, so that saved my legs. It was
amazing how much my left arm muscles atrophied. It took months to build
up that arm again. I probably should have done some mild exercises.

I'm not sure if taking calcium supplements and vitamin D will speed
healing of bone.

I can still feel a little bump in my left clavicle, 30 years later.
Somewhere I think I read that the bone may actually become thicker and
stronger after healing!

I'm sure I've heard about pro hockey players breaking clavicles
and playing games the next day!- probably pro bike racers too!

With luck you should be OK by July 5.

--

David Dermott , Wolfville Ridge, Nova Scotia, Canada
email:
WWW pages: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/dermott/

[Terry]

> hard. I broke my left collar bone (broke the last inch or so right off.)
>
> And wouldn't you know, just a few days earlier I had purchased my plane
> ticket to Frankfurt (depart July 5 - return July 27). Now I don't know
> The doctor said that there was nothing that should be done for the break
> (other than immobilize my arm in a sling). The collar bone is the most
> "mendable" bone in the body, and the two pieces of bone will find their
> way back together and mend on their own.

I broke mine 15mm from the end 3 years ago at the age of 45.I was off
my bike for 8 weeks and rode carefully with no pedal dancing for
another 8weeks. I would say that it is not clear that you would find
sleeping on the ground tolerable as soon as 5 july.
As for it healing so easily, I am a doctor, and seeing the perfect
alignment I had pulled it into at the scene of the crash while it was
still numb(ish) I expected no problem.Actually the x-ray 8weeks later
looked much worse due to bone resorption.The orthopaedic surgeons said
that at my age a fracture so near the end might never heal, and they
would have screwed it together.Indeed they were offering it at the
start. A young person will heal much quicker.I was not in a hurry and
did not fancy surgery for the sake of a few months discomfort.That was
not a bad decision except that it was 2years before I could swim more
than a mile without the fracture site loosening up with clicks and
rattles.It is fine now.
If you really want to go as planned I would say surgical fixation
right now is the best bet.The Aussie rider in the TdF a few years ago
had his fixed although young and not fractured so near the end,
presumably so that he could be sure of getting back into training
quickly ( and surely not only because he was so well insured?).
Talking of insurance, if it loosens up and gets really disabling in
germany could you just find something less macho to do? Your travel
insurance probably won't be much use.
Good luck, and when you do go, enjoy your trip.

Whichever you do it will fine eventually

TerryJ

[John Allen]

I frqactured my right arm's radial head, plus a small bone in my hand, and
disrupted my shoulder's socket in a car-bike incident where the driver was
at fault.

I foumd that although the things healed, they remained sensitive to any
movements that had weight or inordinate coordinations involved. Thus
sleeping in a tent could be a problem, not so much in poain intensity as in
tiresome awakenings of the physical kind (as op-posed to spiritual
awakenings, haha).

[Per Löwdin]

> I don't know why, but I never anticipated injuring myself so severely.
> Last Friday I was riding too aggressively, hammering away when I pegged
> the inside pedal on a tight curve (I was pedaling - du-uh) and crashed
> hard. I broke my left collar bone (broke the last inch or so right off.)

****, sorry for you.

> I've heard it could take anything from 4 weeks to 4 months to heal. And
> even if I do heal enough to ride (July 5 is still 5 ½ weeks a way), I
> don't know if I would be ready to sleep on the ground in my tent. The
> Emergency Room doc said 4 - 6 weeks. Some online searches have indicated
> it could be months.

I would bet on that it would be ok after 4 - 6 weeks if they said so. If it
comes to the worst you can still cancel a week or two before departure.

Per
http://lowdin.nu

[Lewis Metzger]

Chuck Anderson > wrote in message news:<%D8tc.116868$536.21977098@attbi_s03>...
> I don't know why, but I never anticipated injuring myself so severely.
> Last Friday I was riding too aggressively, hammering away when I pegged
> the inside pedal on a tight curve (I was pedaling - du-uh) and crashed
> hard. I broke my left collar bone (broke the last inch or so right off.)

At age 46, I broke my left collarbone, 3 ribs, and my shoulder blade
in 1995 when I was hit by a car (while commuting to work on my road
bike). I had surgery to place a temporary pin in the collarbone
(through the left shoulder). The pin was removed six weeks later.
During the time the pin was in place my left arm was immobolized by a
sling.

After the pin was removed, my left shoulder couldn't move (because I
was immobilized) and I needed "rotator cuff" physical therapy, which I
started immediately after the pin was removed. In retrospect, I should
have started physical therapy a lot sooner. I was able to ride a
mountain bike five months after the accident (I couldn't stretch out
on the road bike) and was able to ride my road bike after 7 months.
After 7 months, I no longer needed physical therapy, at which point I
felt about 80% of normal. After 12 months I felt
95-98% of normal.

Good luck and a speedy recovery. I recommend looking into physical
therapy as soon as possible (if needed).

Lewis

[Chuck Anderson]

Hi all,

I want to thank everyone for their responses. I have learned a lot from
your experiences, and I really appreciate all your sentiments. This has
been (and will be) a rough time for me. Cycling had become like my
religion during the last year - relinking me with my inner self whenever
the day to day world had me dazed and confused. I was riding harder
than ever and was in better shape than I'd ever been in before.

Now - Nothing - Nada - Zip - - - and I must admit. It's hard keeping a
clear focus without my quality cycling time. I had been worried that I
was being a little obsessive about getting in a good hard ride every
day, but now I don't give it a second thought. I just miss it.

I made it into my follow up exam a week after the crash and the doctor
said that breaks like mine are the kind that *can* have a hard time
mending - not that it would, but in cases where there is trouble, it is
a break like mine (bone broken off close to the end). His follow up
X-ray didn't seem to show any healing after a week.

(And when I picked up the ER X-rays and the radiologist's review of them
- done within 24 hours of the pictures being taken - I discovered that I
had also cracked my third rib (left side). That was "*good*" news, as
I'd been having (still have) some serious pain in that area - front and
back - which had caused me no little amount of worry. That cracked rib
has really given me the most pain.)

The doc put me in a figure 8 brace (strap? - sling?) and said, "come
back in a month."

I am not very happy with that, but I'm going to call back and see if I
can't come in sooner, as I would like to know where I am a in less time
than that.

As much as I appreciate the encouragement to go on my planned tour this
summer I just don't think I'm going to be able to handle it. It's rare
that I have the time and money to go overseas and cycle and I want to do
it in more "optimum" conditions - not restless nights trying to sleep
comfortably - or being constantly on alert to avoid rough treatment to
my left arm and shoulder. At this point, I'm worried more about whether
I'll even heal in the next few weeks, or need more treatment (the follow
up doc used the word surgery).

I am about ready to get a refund for the plane ticket (possible with
Lufthansa and a Medical certificate). I haven't completely decided yet,
but after seeing the doc (he was pretty convinced that I would not be
ready in one month), I think I should bag it.

Every time I think of the crash I want to kick myself for being my own
worst enemy. How could I lose focus like that and cause such a major
injury? ....... I guess all of the "wounds" will heal with time.

Thank you for all your information and thoughts. I'll let you know how
it goes over the next few weeks.

Chuck

(How is Germany in early September? I know the alps can be impassible
by then. Maybe I should rethink and go somewhere like Crete at that time.)

--
*****************************
Chuck Anderson • Boulder, CO
http://www.CycleTourist.com
Integrity is obvious.
The lack of it is common.
*****************************

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Chuck Anderson writes:

> I made it into my follow up exam a week after the crash and the
> doctor said that breaks like mine are the kind that *can* have a
> hard time mending - not that it would, but in cases where there is
> trouble, it is a break like mine (bone broken off close to the end).
> His follow up X-ray didn't seem to show any healing after a week.

That may be a bit soon to see anything. It takes at least six weeks
and then some before sensitivity abates. This is good because even
then you won't overload it.

> (And when I picked up the ER X-rays and the radiologist's review of
them > - done within 24 hours of the pictures being taken - I
discovered that I > had also cracked my third rib (left side). That
was "*good*" news, as > I'd been having (still have) some serious pain
in that area - front and > back - which had caused me no little amount
of worry. That cracked rib > has really given me the most pain.)

Ribs hurt for a long time with the same protective pain but they
usually don't stop you from riding. I rode much of this winter with a
cracked rib that finally quit bothering me after eight weeks. The old
joke is "Don't make me laugh" because that hurts. You'll be surprised
that sneezes that are otherwise unsuppressible are easily suppressed
if you have a cracked rib. It's hard to believe but that's what I and
friends have experienced.

> The doc put me in a figure 8 brace (strap? - sling?) and said, "come
> back in a month."

That's good and a month is fine from my experience with such things.
It won't be mended by that time but it is worth it for him to look at
it.

> I am not very happy with that, but I'm going to call back and see if
> I can't come in sooner, as I would like to know where I am a in less
> time than that.

I doubt that he will be interested in your attempt to accelerate
healing. Just be careful when you ride learning to brake with your
good hand over the brake hood. I've ridden many miles that way with
the busted arm am my hip or thigh.

> As much as I appreciate the encouragement to go on my planned tour
> this summer I just don't think I'm going to be able to handle it.
> It's rare that I have the time and money to go overseas and cycle
> and I want to do it in more "optimum" conditions - not restless
> nights trying to sleep comfortably - or being constantly on alert to
> avoid rough treatment to my left arm and shoulder. At this point,
> I'm worried more about whether I'll even heal in the next few weeks,
> or need more treatment (the follow up doc used the word surgery).

Don't worry, you cannot affect that. Just take your time. By the
way, the Stelvio pass was open until Christmas 2003 just to give you
an idea when winter closes the Alps. In contrast, remember, it can
snow any day of the year on the big passes (2000+m) and it does on
almost all my tours. I have also seen flocks of Swifts trying to get
over the Gotthard pass in a snowstorm as they circled in Hospental in
mid August. Weather is Variable.

> I am about ready to get a refund for the plane ticket (possible with
> Lufthansa and a Medical certificate). I haven't completely decided
> yet, but after seeing the doc (he was pretty convinced that I would
> not be ready in one month), I think I should bag it.

Well I missed when you planned to go but I wouldn't cancel the whole
idea until about eight weeks from the break.

> Every time I think of the crash I want to kick myself for being my
> own worst enemy. How could I lose focus like that and cause such a
> major injury?... I guess all of the "wounds" will heal with time.

Sure will!

> (How is Germany in early September? I know the alps can be
> impassable by then. Maybe I should rethink and go somewhere like
> Crete at that time.)

Forget about Germany, that could be rainy any time but South Tirol and
the Dolomites is worth a stab at that time.

Jobst Brandt

[Michael MacClancy]

On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 22:30:57 GMT, Chuck Anderson wrote:


> (How is Germany in early September? I know the alps can be impassible
> by then. Maybe I should rethink and go somewhere like Crete at that time.)

No, the Alps aren't impassable in September. We go on holiday in June and
September and I wouldn't say that the weather is noticeably different. You
can get bad weather at any time. The main problem with September is that
the days are already shorter. We've been both north and south of the Alps
in September and had awful weather. We've also had excellent weather.
I've been completely rained out in Munich in August and South Tyrol in
early September. It just depends on which way the weather systems are
moving. If you're after sun then Crete or Cyprus or southern Italy
(Sicily?) or Spain would be more reliable, I'm sure. Mind you, I've been
on Sardinia in September and found it very cold!

I would never suggest to anyone that there is an ideal time of year to
visit most parts of Europe!
--
Michael MacClancy
Random putdown - "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter
saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain
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[SuperPoo]

I broke mine when I was 29 in a motorcycle accident. My break was almost
dead center but the two ends ended up very far apart. I wore a clavicle
harness for 7 months during which time the two piece formed a fibrous union.
It took 3 years for everything to pull together and calcify. It was kind of
weird feeling-- after it formed the union, while it was healing, the bone
was flexible at the union. I had to be careful lifting or exerting myself or
my collar bone would seem to bend.

Steve

"Bob" > wrote in message
...
> 2.5 years and my collar bone is healed about 50%. For most of that time,
it
> had only healed 20%. My non-union is fairly rare, but it was the last 1"
of
> bone, just like yours. From what I understand, collar bone non-unions are
> less rare when you get out near the end like that. I had to use two
> different electro-stimulation units to help bone growth.
>
> ' hope your recovery goes better than mine.
>
> -Bob
>
>

[Sergio SERVADIO]

On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 wrote:

> You'll be surprised
> that sneezes that are otherwise unsuppressible are easily suppressed
> if you have a cracked rib. It's hard to believe but that's what I and
> friends have experienced.

I always wondered how car and motorcycle racers, or airplane pilots for
that matter, can avoid sneezes.
Would you go further to say that they naturally repress any temptation?

Sergio
Pisa

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Sergio Servadio writes:

>> You'll be surprised that sneezes that are otherwise insuppressible
>> are easily suppressed if you have a cracked rib. It's hard to
>> believe but that's what I and friends have experienced.

> I always wondered how car and motorcycle racers, or airplane pilots
> for that matter, can avoid sneezes. Would you go further to say
> that they naturally repress any temptation?

They don't. Sneezes are not so disturbing that they interfere
significantly with these processes. My point is that the induced pain
from just inhaling suddenly for a sneeze, suppresses it in a way
otherwise unimaginable. Try it it you doubt that. Of course you'll
need to crack a rib first.

Jobst Brandt

[DhBrown99]

Terry :

I wanted to follow up with you on this thread
since you mentioned you were a Doctor and ALSO
since you mentioned swimming.

I broke my collarbone (about 2/3 of the way toward the
shoulder from the sternum) May 6th (and a rib too) in
a bike crash. I had a follow-up X-Ray May 28th -
which showed no healing yet, but I had improved
flexibility, less swelling, and virtually
no pain. I participate in Triathlons , so all
three sports were important to me. After 8 days
from the accident - I started riding the indoor
bike. On 5/28 The Ortho allowed me to resume "easy"
running, as long as there was no pain. this has
progressed well...only problem being a pain in my
shoulder joint about 4-5 miles into my runs (I assume
it's from holding my arm up for so long - something
I hadn't done for 3 weeks).

Now I am contemplating swimming - and I saw your
post about your return to swimming. My next
appointment (and follow-up X-Ray) isn't until
June 21st - but I'm anxious to hit the
pool just to 'try it out', and swim REALLY easy. I
wonder if you have any thoughts on this issue you
could share.

Thanks

Dan Brown


p.s. Could you email me off-list (I ususally don't lurk here)





(Terry) wrote in message >...
> > hard. I broke my left collar bone (broke the last inch or so right off.)
> >
> > And wouldn't you know, just a few days earlier I had purchased my plane
> > ticket to Frankfurt (depart July 5 - return July 27). Now I don't know
> > The doctor said that there was nothing that should be done for the break
> > (other than immobilize my arm in a sling). The collar bone is the most
> > "mendable" bone in the body, and the two pieces of bone will find their
> > way back together and mend on their own.
>
> I broke mine 15mm from the end 3 years ago at the age of 45.I was off
> my bike for 8 weeks and rode carefully with no pedal dancing for
> another 8weeks. I would say that it is not clear that you would find
> sleeping on the ground tolerable as soon as 5 july.
> As for it healing so easily, I am a doctor, and seeing the perfect
> alignment I had pulled it into at the scene of the crash while it was
> still numb(ish) I expected no problem.Actually the x-ray 8weeks later
> looked much worse due to bone resorption.The orthopaedic surgeons said
> that at my age a fracture so near the end might never heal, and they
> would have screwed it together.Indeed they were offering it at the
> start. A young person will heal much quicker.I was not in a hurry and
> did not fancy surgery for the sake of a few months discomfort.That was
> not a bad decision except that it was 2years before I could swim more
> than a mile without the fracture site loosening up with clicks and
> rattles.It is fine now.
> If you really want to go as planned I would say surgical fixation
> right now is the best bet.The Aussie rider in the TdF a few years ago
> had his fixed although young and not fractured so near the end,
> presumably so that he could be sure of getting back into training
> quickly ( and surely not only because he was so well insured?).
> Talking of insurance, if it loosens up and gets really disabling in
> germany could you just find something less macho to do? Your travel
> insurance probably won't be much use.
> Good luck, and when you do go, enjoy your trip.
>
> Whichever you do it will fine eventually
>
> TerryJ

[Chuck Anderson]

DhBrown99 wrote:

>Terry :
>
>I wanted to follow up with you on this thread
>since you mentioned you were a Doctor and ALSO
>since you mentioned swimming.
>
>I broke my collarbone (about 2/3 of the way toward the
>shoulder from the sternum) May 6th (and a rib too) in
>a bike crash. I had a follow-up X-Ray May 28th -
>which showed no healing yet, but I had improved
>flexibility, less swelling, and virtually
>no pain. I participate in Triathlons , so all
>three sports were important to me. After 8 days
>from the accident - I started riding the indoor
>bike. On 5/28 The Ortho allowed me to resume "easy"
>running, as long as there was no pain. this has
>progressed well...only problem being a pain in my
>shoulder joint about 4-5 miles into my runs (I assume
>it's from holding my arm up for so long - something
>I hadn't done for 3 weeks).
>
>Now I am contemplating swimming - and I saw your
>post about your return to swimming. My next
>appointment (and follow-up X-Ray) isn't until
>June 21st - but I'm anxious to hit the
>pool just to 'try it out', and swim REALLY easy. I
>wonder if you have any thoughts on this issue you
>could share.
>
>Thanks
>
>Dan Brown

>
>p.s. Could you email me off-list (I ususally don't lurk here)
>
>
>
I'd appreciate it if any information was shared here in the group.

--
*****************************
Chuck Anderson • Boulder, CO
http://www.CycleTourist.com
Integrity is obvious.
The lack of it is common.
*****************************

[Per Löwdin]

> That cracked rib
> has really given me the most pain.)

Jepp, it is bloody hell, just got one on Mallorca riding on skinny tires.
Got caught in a race bike trap, a drainage with wide enough slots for my
front wheel to sink down between and come to an instant stop with me falling
over the bar. Fortunately, my speed was very low, we were going off the road
down to a beach. Miracelously my low count spoke wheel did not get untrue.
Presently, I can´t cough or laugh. Some positions really hurts bad. And,
drainages got a new scary dimension.

> (How is Germany in early September? I know the alps can be impassible
> by then. Maybe I should rethink and go somewhere like Crete at that
time.)

It really depends on the weather. I would say most of the Alps and Germany
are quite OK normal years, though it will be less fun as most Europeans have
returned to their jobs. Camping places etc will be rather quite.

We have been climbing in early September and it has been just fine. And, we
been at Furka in central Switzerland in Mid-July, and it was worse than the
Himalayan monsoon, a constant cold drizzle.

Per
http://lowdin.nu

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Sergio Servadio writes:

>> You'll be surprised that sneezes that are otherwise insuppressible
>> are easily suppressed if you have a cracked rib. It's hard to
>> believe but that's what I and friends have experienced.

> I always wondered how car and motorcycle racers, or airplane pilots
> for that matter, can avoid sneezes.

I have not been able to do that otherwise. It is the short circuit
reaction of the body, to my thinking, that cancels the need to sneeze,
the need to sneeze being of a lower order than the pain the action
causes. I have had no control over that response.

I don't find sneezing or blinking the eyes a serious interruption of
control while operating a vehicle. It would be different with a
sensitive, light touch, operation such as watch repair, where blowing
the whole project away is even possible.

> Would you go further to say that they naturally repress any
> temptation?

To what sort of "temptation" are you referring?

I'm talking about the need to sneeze and that isn't voluntary or from
temptation. It is auto-response of the body, and one that the body
can cancel as I said.

Jobst Brandt