Survey: Best XC full suspension

[voodoo]

If I had to choose, it would be a Sugar.

[Penny S.]

voodoo scribbled :
> If I had to choose, it would be a Sugar.

and this will be even better....

[voodoo]

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> > If I had to choose, it would be a Sugar.
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> and this will be even better....
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I know a couple people that ride them. They love'em. They told me they ride
nice and firm, and not spongy like a lot of full suspensions.

[Chris]

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> > > If I had to choose, it would be a Sugar.
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> > and this will be even better....
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> I know a couple people that ride them. They love'em. They told me they
ride
> nice and firm, and not spongy like a lot of full suspensions.
>

So you haven't ridden one, and would vote it the best?

I own a Sugar, and even I know better than that.

Chris

[voodoo]

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> > > > If I had to choose, it would be a Sugar.
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> > > and this will be even better....
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> > I know a couple people that ride them. They love'em. They told me they
> ride
> > nice and firm, and not spongy like a lot of full suspensions.
> >
>
> So you haven't ridden one, and would vote it the best?
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> I own a Sugar, and even I know better than that.
>
then why do you own one?

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> > > If I had to choose, it would be a Sugar.
> >
> > and this will be even better....
> >
> I know a couple people that ride them. They love'em. They told me they ride
> nice and firm, and not spongy like a lot of full suspensions.

At a recent bike festival, I test rode both a Team Sugar model and
also one of the Sugar + models (can't remember which specific model).
Both bikes did ride wonderfully, without a hint of bob, but as
discussed here many times, I also witnessed at least 3 other riders
along the trail that same day with chain suck problems, something that
seems to be inherent with Gary Fisher bikes.

[voodoo]

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> > > > If I had to choose, it would be a Sugar.
> > >
> > > and this will be even better....
> > >
> > I know a couple people that ride them. They love'em. They told me they
ride
> > nice and firm, and not spongy like a lot of full suspensions.
>
> At a recent bike festival, I test rode both a Team Sugar model and
> also one of the Sugar + models (can't remember which specific model).
> Both bikes did ride wonderfully, without a hint of bob, but as
> discussed here many times, I also witnessed at least 3 other riders
> along the trail that same day with chain suck problems, something that
> seems to be inherent with Gary Fisher bikes.

How the heck would a particular model bike create/cause chainsuck? I always
thought it was because of worn chainrings.

[bomba]

voodoo wrote:

> How the heck would a particular model bike create/cause chainsuck? I always
> thought it was because of worn chainrings.

Not always, although that is the most common cause. Sometimes it's
caused by problems in design, manufacture, or chainline. The Bontrager
cranks are reknowned for this problem and I believe they're fitted to
the Sugars. And let's not start on the Sugar's tendency to snap...

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[Chris]

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> > > > > If I had to choose, it would be a Sugar.
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> > > > and this will be even better....
> > > >
> > > I know a couple people that ride them. They love'em. They told me they
> > ride
> > > nice and firm, and not spongy like a lot of full suspensions.
> > >
> >
> > So you haven't ridden one, and would vote it the best?
> >
> > I own a Sugar, and even I know better than that.
> >
> then why do you own one?
>

I think the Sugar is a very good bike, and for where I ride, how I ride, and
who I am I think it's a great bike...but that doesn't mean Intense Spiders
or Tracers, Turner Burners, or even a SC Blur wouldn't feel a bit better.
The difference that made me go with Fisher? About $1500.

Chris

[voodoo]

"bomba" > wrote in message
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> > How the heck would a particular model bike create/cause chainsuck? I
always
> > thought it was because of worn chainrings.
>
> Not always, although that is the most common cause. Sometimes it's
> caused by problems in design, manufacture, or chainline. The Bontrager
> cranks are reknowned for this problem and I believe they're fitted to
> the Sugars. And let's not start on the Sugar's tendency to snap...
>
They break?! Why are they breaking?

[voodoo]

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> > > > > > If I had to choose, it would be a Sugar.
> > > > >
> > > > > and this will be even better....
> > > > >
> > > > I know a couple people that ride them. They love'em. They told me
they
> > > ride
> > > > nice and firm, and not spongy like a lot of full suspensions.
> > > >
> > >
> > > So you haven't ridden one, and would vote it the best?
> > >
> > > I own a Sugar, and even I know better than that.
> > >
> > then why do you own one?
> >
>
> I think the Sugar is a very good bike, and for where I ride, how I ride,
and
> who I am I think it's a great bike...but that doesn't mean Intense Spiders
> or Tracers, Turner Burners, or even a SC Blur wouldn't feel a bit better.
> The difference that made me go with Fisher? About $1500.
>
That's a nice difference. Regardless of the name on the bike, what really
counts is if you enjoy the ride. I've been hesitant/intimidated to go with a
FS ride, which is why I'm going with another HT. Some of my riding pals have
pointed out to me in the past, that they are great for tired old farts like
me, and I would love it. I dunno, I don't feel that tired. I may take the
plunge one day.

[bomba]

voodoo wrote:
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>>voodoo wrote:
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>>>How the heck would a particular model bike create/cause chainsuck? I
>>
> always
>
>>>thought it was because of worn chainrings.
>>
>>Not always, although that is the most common cause. Sometimes it's
>>caused by problems in design, manufacture, or chainline. The Bontrager
>>cranks are reknowned for this problem and I believe they're fitted to
>>the Sugars. And let's not start on the Sugar's tendency to snap...
>>
>
> They break?!

Certainly the older models did. I assume they've sorted out that
problem now.

> Why are they breaking?

Poorly made, low quality tubing, bad design. Take your pick.

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[Penny S.]

voodoo scribbled :
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> How the heck would a particular model bike create/cause chainsuck? I
> always thought it was because of worn chainrings.

if you do any research at all on GF bikes, chain suck is the #1 issue with
them. Something in the drive train design.
I read enough negative reviews to keep me from ever buying one.

Penny

[Chris]

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> > > > > If I had to choose, it would be a Sugar.
> > > >
> > > > and this will be even better....
> > > >
> > > I know a couple people that ride them. They love'em. They told me they
> ride
> > > nice and firm, and not spongy like a lot of full suspensions.
> >
> > At a recent bike festival, I test rode both a Team Sugar model and
> > also one of the Sugar + models (can't remember which specific model).
> > Both bikes did ride wonderfully, without a hint of bob, but as
> > discussed here many times, I also witnessed at least 3 other riders
> > along the trail that same day with chain suck problems, something that
> > seems to be inherent with Gary Fisher bikes.
>
> How the heck would a particular model bike create/cause chainsuck? I
always
> thought it was because of worn chainrings.
>

You can google for the whole story, but to make things quick, some '01 and
'02 Sugars came with a too-short BB, which goofed up the chainline, which,
coupled with poopoo Bontrager rings, caused a lot of chainsuck. No Sugar
for sale anywhere anymore has the BB problem, but they all come with
Bontrager cranks (thank you Trek). If you pick one up, prepare to say the
words "Race" and "Face" a lot in the near future...cranks, stem, bar,
seatpost, bb.

Chris
-to be fair, I have about 1500 miles on the Bontrager cranks and rings that
came on my Sugar. To be fair, though, I did do this to it:
http://www.pbase.com/cimccreary/x-cal

[bomba]

Chris wrote:

> Sugars through '01 had a "normal" downtube that liked to seperate itself
> from the BB shell. Starting in '03 they did that bi-oval tapering job on
> all their bikes, and I have only seen one case of frame failure in a '02-on
> Sugar. Also, they claim the tubing is of a higher quality, too.

The '02's suffered from lots of broken rear swing-arms I believe.

[PirateLord®]

The best at any price? Don't know. I don't want to spend that much on a
pedal bike.

The best for under $1500? I vote Jamis XLT 1.0.

The best for under $1000? I vote for the Haro Extreme X2.

There you have it.
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> If I had to choose, it would be a Sugar.
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[JD]

"Penny S." > wrote in message >...
> if you do any research at all on GF bikes, chain suck is the #1 issue with
> them.

Only the booger, not the whole line as some moronic replies may
indicate. Then again, the new POS garee is offering may suffer from
that affliction besides its ohter obvious shortcomings. He should
have named it the "crap".

> Something in the drive train design.
> I read enough negative reviews to keep me from ever buying one.

Or lack of design. So whaddya do? You go out and buy a kona.

JD

[voodoo]

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> Or lack of design. So whaddya do? You go out and buy a kona.
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You ride a Kona?

[Stephen Baker]

"JD" says:

>So whaddya do? You go out and buy a kona.

OK - who are you and what did you do with the _real_ JD?

Steve