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Peter Fox
July 17th 03, 07:04 AM
Sorry for hurry - have to go to court this morning see A12 thread or
<http://www.eminent.demon.co.uk/roadsafety.htm>

Please come. I hope to have a memorial of some sort.

PRESS RELEASE

On the morning of Sunday the 20th July a ceremony will be held near the
spot on the A12 where a cyclist was killed last Sunday. At 11am safety
campaigners, including Peter Fox, will be laying excuses provided by
national and local bodies at a memorial to the person tragically killed
last week at Marks Tey.

Anyone can come. Meet at Colchester Town hall 10am Sunday morning.
Representatives from The Department for Transport, Highways Agency,
Essex county council, Colchester borough council will be invited to lay
their own excuses.

It is hoped that as well as may individual cyclists showing their
respects and rage there will be representatives from bodies promoting
cycling including Colchester Cycle Campaign, The CTC(Cyclists Touring
Club), racing clubs and the All-party parliamentary cycling group.

This is being arranged by Peter Fox, who has been charged this week with
willful obstruction for cycling normally along this road. He says "Every
time somebody writes a don't worry your head about it - We know best
letter another life is put at risk. Excuses and evasions are too many to
list - Everybody's right to go about their business and pleasure safely
is being eroded every day by these unthinking uncaring bureaucrats".





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PETER FOX Not the same since the adhesive company came unstuck
2 Tees Close, Witham, Essex.
Gravity beer in Essex <http://www.eminent.demon.co.uk>

Peter Fox
July 17th 03, 08:10 AM
Following on from Peter Fox's message. . .
>Sorry for hurry - have to go to court this morning see A12 thread or
><http://www.eminent.demon.co.uk/roadsafety.htm>
Could somebody here please alert the road race fraternity - I don't have
time this morning to find the contacts. This is for them as well - not
just a tasteless publicity stunt.


--
PETER FOX Not the same since the adhesive company came unstuck
2 Tees Close, Witham, Essex.

Arthur Clune
July 17th 03, 10:37 AM
Peter Fox > wrote:
: Could somebody here please alert the road race fraternity - I don't have
: time this morning to find the contacts. This is for them as well - not
: just a tasteless publicity stunt.


It time trialists you want in this case, not road racers.

As I've said before, while it's extremely tragic that this happened,
there's no way a race should be held on roads like the A14.

Arthur

wafflyDIRTYcatLITTERhcsBOX
July 17th 03, 03:20 PM
>It time trialists you want in this case, not road racers.
>
>As I've said before, while it's extremely tragic that this happened,
>there's no way a race should be held on roads like the A14.

The way I see it, if the case against peter Fox goes through, this is a
dangerous threat to *any* cyclist who cycles *any* busy road for *any* purpose.


If cycling at a moderate pace on a busy road is something that is deemed worthy
of legal action by plod, how long bvefore other cyclists using other roads
which plod deems to be "busy" are banned from cycling???

This case needs to be stopped in its tracks.

helen s


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Arthur Clune
July 17th 03, 05:04 PM
wafflyDIRTYcatLITTERhcsBOX > wrote:

: The way I see it, if the case against peter Fox goes through, this is a
: dangerous threat to *any* cyclist who cycles *any* busy road for *any* purpose.

I agree with you there, but I think we do ourselves no favours by
trying to defend the indefensible.

I'll fully defend anyones right to *ride* on the A14. Peter seemed to
be trying to defend the right of CTT to race on the A14. That I don't
support and won't defend.

Arthur

Michael MacClancy
July 17th 03, 05:25 PM
In message >, Arthur Clune
> writes
>wafflyDIRTYcatLITTERhcsBOX > wrote:
>
>: The way I see it, if the case against peter Fox goes through, this is a
>: dangerous threat to *any* cyclist who cycles *any* busy road for
>:*any* purpose.
>
>I agree with you there, but I think we do ourselves no favours by
>trying to defend the indefensible.
>
>I'll fully defend anyones right to *ride* on the A14. Peter seemed to
>be trying to defend the right of CTT to race on the A14. That I don't
>support and won't defend.
>
>Arthur
>

He's actually campaigning against a dangerous junction. Is that
something you could support and would defend?
--
Michael MacClancy

Peter Fox
July 17th 03, 05:52 PM
I am trying to prevent a police constable from deciding quite
arbitrarily to make cycling in some (undefined) circumstances illegal.
Parliament has given us the right to cycle on these roads so it isn't
for a policeman to remove them at whim.

Having actually ridden down the road - I really enjoyed it - It was
excellent and if I was in a hurry I would chose that over the adjacent
path any time and [deep breath] at night as parts of the adjacent path
are too dangerous (mainly due to oncoming headlights). This sounds
bizarre but I felt perfectly safe. [The prominent video camera poking
out the back may have had something to do with it.]

We have a general rule in this country that you individuals should take
responsibility for their own actions. Please don't try to restrict
other people's liberties to fit in with your limited view of the world.

Let me remind you that practically all the liberties you enjoy were
fought for at one stage or another. I'm proud to do _my_ bit, perhaps
you could tell us what you're proposing to do to improve the quality of
life for the British people next week?



Following on from Arthur Clune's message. . .
>wafflyDIRTYcatLITTERhcsBOX > wrote:
>
>: The way I see it, if the case against peter Fox goes through, this is a
>: dangerous threat to *any* cyclist who cycles *any* busy road for *any* purpose.
>
>I agree with you there, but I think we do ourselves no favours by
>trying to defend the indefensible.
>
>I'll fully defend anyones right to *ride* on the A14. Peter seemed to
>be trying to defend the right of CTT to race on the A14. That I don't
>support and won't defend.
>
>Arthur
>

--
PETER FOX Not the same since the bridge building business collapsed
2 Tees Close, Witham, Essex.
Gravity beer in Essex <http://www.eminent.demon.co.uk>

Peter Fox
July 17th 03, 07:10 PM
Following on from Michael MacClancy's message. . .
>He's actually campaigning against a dangerous junction. Is that
>something you could support and would defend?

Two issues:
(1) Planners and engineers are not competent or honest when it comes to
cycling
(2) Cyclists have the right to ride on dual carriageways given to them
by parliament and not to be taken away at the say-so of a constable

The high media profile (3 nights on the TV out of 4 isn't too bad)
(partly due to the TT death) has lubricated public opinion...
....now I (we?) have to push it in the right direction to achieve our
goals.


FWIW : I had an irate woman ring me up "What on earth do you think
you're doing blah blah blah - but by the end of the conversation she was
wishing me well." So that's hearts and minds ... Now that overwhelming
public opinion must be converted into a wake-up call for the politicians
while the iron is hot. **PLEASE ring up your MP asap and get the
political machine to tilt just a little in cyclist's favour.**

The point of the memorial is to symbolise the lives lost in a single,
prominent and permanent reminder instead of a paragraph in the local
paper.

(See the web page if you haven't seen the press release
<http://www.eminent.demon.co.uk/roadsafety.htm>)



--
PETER FOX Not the same since the deckchair business folded
2 Tees Close, Witham, Essex.
<http://www.eminent.demon.co.uk> /roadsafety.htm

David Hansen
July 20th 03, 12:35 PM
On 17 Jul 2003 14:20:54 GMT someone who may be
(wafflyDIRTYcatLITTERhcsBOX) wrote this:-

>This case needs to be stopped in its tracks.

My only disagreement with your opinion is to say that this case
needs to be blown apart so that no other ****** in uniform tries the
same thing.


--
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I will always explain revoked keys, unless the UK government
prevents me using the RIP Act 2000.

Dave Kahn
July 22nd 03, 11:05 AM
"Arthur Clune" > wrote in message >...

> As I said above, the problem is the fact that in a race one is
> going full on. Head down, arse up as it were.
>
> If I ride down a dual carriageway (and I repeat, I do), I slow
> slightly on approaching a slip road and glance behind. In a race
> most riders are too busy looking at their front wheel or heart
> rate monitor.

FWIW I think Arthur is right. Slip roads on dual carriageways can be
highly dangerous zones for cyclists. Sometimes it's necessary to stop
completely, wait for a gap, and cross the slip lane at right angles
then rejoin the original road. That's a luxury that time triallists do
not have. They just have to keep going and hope that motor traffic
will give way to them, as it is supposed to.

Peter's arrest and prosecution are outrageous. As far as I can see the
campaign has nothing to do with racing, and everything to do with
decent road design and cyclists' rights. If the prosecution succeeds
we will no longer have the right to cycle anywhere on the public
highway as we can always be accused of causing an obstruction.

--
Dave...

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